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Date:         Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:54:30 EST
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Hi Sandy,

I didn't know whether you had stayed on the list or not after posting your
"Little Man, Super" announcement.  Sorry that you got SIX copies of my
review,
LOL.  I know after our discussion during the Christmas Holiday break about
the
possibility of being able to proof your work, I didn't think you would
return.
You are a fine writer and an excellent critic.  Stay on and share your
thoughts.  We have all learned from your advice.  I certainly have enjoyed
it.

You have made me a happy FoLC,
Anne (ACdrift@aol.com)
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Pam Jernigan wrote:
> Then Sandy replied to Charlotte:
>
> >> I didn't find it boring either.  In fact, I posted some comments about
> it to the reader review section of the Season 6 website -- I think I did
> that on Tuesday or Wednesday.  <<
>
> Cool!  I haven't checked for new comments in a while, so I look forward
> to seeing what you had to say.  I know your comments helped to improve my
> S5 ep.

Pam:

I don't believe the comments I posted are up on your site yet. In any
case, you're probably in the midst of having or have just had your
baby.  So, I offer the following to you, which is not a detailed review
at all, for when you next have a free moment ... like a year from
now.<g>

********************

Spoilers for Season 6, Ep 1 follow:

*
*
*
*
*
*
*

A couple of months ago, in my attempts to avoid my own writing, I
decided to read the Season 6 episodes which had been posted upto that
point.  I was pretty pleased with this first one, and I wish I could get
into more detail but I'm going with memory here rather than a recent
reading of the story. Please forgive me.

The two things I found to be its greatest strengths were the portrayal
of Jimmy.  Very well-written.  Seemed true to the character as I
remember him and it was nice to see him given more to do than his usual,
"Gee whiz, CK!"

The strongest part of the story, however, was its ending.  I truly was
gripped by the last scene (loved the description of L&C's arrival at
their house and what they found there) and was eager to see what would
come next. Thought this was a wonderful cliffhanger.

As for weaknesses in the story, there really weren't any.  But, I think
something was missing.  For instance, the last time we saw Lois and
Clark, they had just become parents.  In this opening story, several
months have passed and Lois, especially, seems very comfortable as a
parent. The only issues she appears to have are over childcare problems,
which, granted, isn't a small problem.  However, considering all we've
come to know about Lois over the years, I felt cheated a little at not
seeing some of the initial "struggle." Her adjustment just seemed a
little too rosy. Someone else who I talked with about this pointed out
that this was *because* months had passed and a reference to Lois'
doubts were made. Still, I would have loved to have seen a flashback
where Lois and Clark were struggling a bit more with learning about new
parenthood, handling a newborn, etc.  Even for the best of us, it
wouldn't come naturally.

And, I contend that if this had been done, the accusations over child
neglect, which ended the story and were taken up in the next, would have
been that much more dramatic and interesting because there would have
been a nagging doubt in L&C's minds (to which the reader could have
clearly borne witness)about whether they had indeed caught on to being
parents fast enough. Instead, we are left with no ambiguity regarding
their own feelings about themselves.  They seem reasonably confident,
and only Ellen's fitness comes seriously under question.  The fact is,
in many situations where people are accused of things which they know
they haven't done, there is always a doubt planted in their minds as to
what they did to create the wrong appearance.  The question always is
"what did *I* do wrong to cause this?"

In any event, I think this is a comparatively small question/criticism
(and perhaps my memory is faulty and I'm making more out of this than is
justified). I'm sure someone will get back to me, if so.<g> In any
event, this first episode is my favorite of S6 thus far.

********************

> >> Anyway, I also hope (if I have time) to
> post to the website some comments on Episode 2 as well.  I really had a
> lot of -- or at least significant -- questions about the plot decisions
> of the second story. <<
>
> Well, if you and Chris would care to have that discussion on this list, I
> know I for one would be interested.  That was a tricky episode to plot,
> especially under time pressure.  If Chris hadn't had a deadline to meet, I
> think the story would have been much better, much more subtle, much
longer,
> and not done for another six months <g>

I would be more than happy to share my comments on Episode 2 with you
... whenever I get around to putting them into sentence form, with verbs
and nouns and punctuation and all that.<g>

Hope all is well.

Sandy
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In a message dated 3/31/99 9:28:38 PM Central Standard Time,
leslie_lnc@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< But this relates to Lois and Clark FANFICTION how? >>

Well, Leslie, when LOISCLA (the main discussion list) crashes, and it seems
to
be more "down" than up most of the time these days, LOISCLA-GENERAL fills in
for fan information, sightings (Teri is rescheduled for Leno on April 8th
apparently ;), folcfest news, episode discussion,  or even Dean's California
accent <g>  The list was established in the first place when it was feared
that LOISCLA would be lost completely.  In fact, I sent the message to
LOISCLA
first, but it was down, and so like all other posts that usually go there,
the
post went here. Sorry you were confused.

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In a message dated 99-03-30 23:17:00 EST, you write:

<< But the ending rhyme I had not heard before and left me close to tears:

  ~~What is our little boy made of?
                           It's something of a mystery.
                       The stars and planets have conspired,
                            A miracle of she and me.~~ >>
I haven't even read this story.. Heck I didn't even know it was out, there..
and this poem got to me too!!! {Shakes her head.. so she can continue to
type.}
It was so beautiful! ;)

Alexis ;-.)
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Peggy,
Mr. D8a putting in his two wheat pennies.  Again.  At
the request of my love, Elisabeth:-)

The Lord has gifted me with a VERY visiual mind.  I
never think in words.  I find it very hard to spell out
loud.  I can only do it if I can 'see' the word in my
mind.  Phonetics was a nightmare.  I remember thinking
"How can I spell a word by how it sounds?  Sounds just
clutter the process."  An example 'fish' the 'ffff'
doesn't look like anything.  'I' gives me an image of a
little boy shaking his head that he does not want what
your giving him.  'Shh' is a finger to the lips of my
mother.  Can you see how maddening it is.  Everytime I
want remember "'i' before 'e', except after 'c'" brings
to mind Snoopy and his Jew's harp!

Everything I read instantly becomes pictures in my
head.  I was so disappointed when I found the pictures
disappearing from my books as I got older.  Technical
books and the like are a nightmare because I cannot
readily make pictures from the content.

My favorit fraze (phrase) is "I can/cannot feature
that."  To me all outside input is translated to
pictures.

I love reading fanfic of all kinds, especially on
topics I know.  Like Lois and Clark and Star Trek, all
series.  I also found the pre-Kerths enjoyable because
I got a chance to 'see' some of my favorite characters
in action.

That is the reason the my wife and I write our fanfic
together.  Our gifts complement each other so well.
Until we started to appriciate each others talents we
argued and gave each other the cold shoulder because we
were right and the other was wrong.
When we had a desire to right L&C fanfic that all
changed.  I recognized my wife's ability to give flow
to dialogue was far better than mine.  I have learned
to accept that after I finish writing a scene I need to
hand it over to her and have her proof the
conversations the characters have.  Conversely,  my
love has recognized my ability to bring a scene to
life.  I have no problem telling her "I can't see them
doing that." or "If your wanting me to paint the scene
I need more info."  My wife also says I have a knack
for transistions between parts of the same scene.

Even when we proof others stories for them we do it
together.  She starts first and hands the pages to me
as she finishes them.  She reads a whole lot faster
than I because she does not have to build the scene in
her head.

Well, it looks like I actually put more like a buck
fifty and some change.

James the verbose scene painter.

--- Elisabeth  wrote:
> Therefore, I always write my scenes from words and
> hand
> my copy to my visually-minded hubby to edit.
>
> BTW, I know good fanfic when I read it, because I
can
> hear the actors saying the dialogue.  If I can't
hear
> the characters speaking, it's probably not in
> character
> for them to say the lines.  That's what made my
> pre-Kerth time so much fun.  I got to spend the week
> listening to some of my best fictional friends talk.
> <G>

> --- Peggy Mueller  wrote:
> > Something I read recently raised this question for
> > me--do writers create
> > their stories by picturing scenes in their
> > imaginations and "translating"
> > the pictures into words, or do they form the
scenes
> > in words that somehow
> > coalesce into stories?  I'd really like to hear
> from
> > you writers on this
> > question!
>

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I thought I would add some input to this thread.  Although I've only
written one fanfic, I have done some music writing which for me was very
similiar in terms of inspiration and execution.

I find the whole creative process quite terrifying to be honest.  Ideas
literally spring fullblown into my head and I only have to write them
down.  But then I'm left wondering if I'm going to get another
inspiration anytime soon!

Firestorm literally wrote itself.  When watching Brutal Youth for the
umpteenth time, I wondered whether there would be any repercussions for
Jimmy.  What if, I wondered, Jimmy lived longer than others?  That was
all that was necessary and I was off and running.

I don't think in pictures, but I am a visual person.  I have to read
information for myself to understand it - don't try and verbally tell me
anything important - I literally can't absorb it! This was always a
problem for me at school. Oral French conversation meant nothing to me
until I could visualize what a word looked like on the page.

This has been a fascinating discussion as to how the creative process
works for various people.  I hope more people continue to post in
response.

Irene
sirenegold@hotmail.com
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I have to agree with everything that Wendy said. Irene, I absolutely loved
Firestorm, and not only stayed late one night at work to read it, but was
annoyed that I finally had to drag myself away from my computer, and
couldn't wait to get to work the next morning (how unusual!) so that I could
finish it.

I find that while I love fanfic, the stories that pique my interest the most
are the ones involving time travel. I've always been fascinated by the
paradoxes raised in either going back in the past or forward in the future,
the possibility of meeting "yourself" or your relatives, and how the
timelines can be altered. Probably why Quantum Leap was (and is) one of my
favorite shows. Also enjoyed any Star Trek time traveling stories.
Therefore, I have enjoyed immensely Firestorm and the great story that C.C.
recently wrote, the title of which momentarily escapes me (forgive me, it's
still sort of early here and I've been in bumper to bumper traffic for an
hour...).

Irene, thanks again for sharing Firestorm with us, PLEASE continue to write
fanfic as you write and plot excellently. Maybe someday I'll get up the
courage to write one of my own. :-)

Vicki
Vicki.Krell@asu.edu <mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu>

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                From:   Wendy Richards [mailto:ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK]
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                Irene, thank you!

                This is a wonderful story - and considering it's your first
fanfic it
                is truly excellent. As Phil said, the plotting and structure
is
                extremely good, and as for the suspense... well, I had
absolutely no
                idea what was going to happen until the very last page.

                And the emotional impact was huge, as well.

                It's after 8pm here, I'm still in my office - I should have
left at
                least an hour ago. The reason I didn't is that I started
reading
                Firestorm and couldn't stop. *That's* how good it is.

                Well done, Irene, and a sequel, please!!

                Wendy
                ----------------------
                Wendy Richards
                w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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I thought I would share my feelings about this as this discussion has been
very interesting.

I haven't yet written a fanfic (well I have but it's being edited at the
moment) but I find that I can picture whole books in my head.  The problem
arises when it comes to writing them down.  I want to get them down on paper
so quickly that I don't pay as much attention to things like grammar and
punctuation as I should do.  It's not that I'm bad at these things, it's
just my brain is working quicker than my fingers!

One thing I don't have a great problem with is spelling - as I have always
been very good at spelling since I first learned how to read and write but I
know what James means about phonetics - you often have words that you know
sound okay but when it comes to writing them down they never seem to be
quite right and you have to re-think whole sentences and sometimes even
whole paragraphs.

I keep telling myself I will try harder but the ideas still keep milling
right through my head.  I've tried all sorts of things like using a
dictaphone but I don't feel quite right about using that in public, which is
often when inspiration comes.

Kind regards
Eileen B
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Thank you very much, Vicki and thank you again, Wendy for the positive
feedback.

I enjoy time travel stories also (obviously).

And, please do get your courage together, Vicki.  Look what has happened
to me.  Up until a month ago, I had no desire to write!

Take care,
Irene
sirenegold@hotmail.com
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>From: Vicki Krell <Vicki.Krell@ASU.EDU>
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>Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:59:29 -0700
>
>I have to agree with everything that Wendy said. Irene, I absolutely
loved
>Firestorm, and not only stayed late one night at work to read it, but
was
>annoyed that I finally had to drag myself away from my computer, and
>couldn't wait to get to work the next morning (how unusual!) so that I
could
>finish it.
>
>I find that while I love fanfic, the stories that pique my interest the
most
>are the ones involving time travel. I've always been fascinated by the
>paradoxes raised in either going back in the past or forward in the
future,
>the possibility of meeting "yourself" or your relatives, and how the
>timelines can be altered. Probably why Quantum Leap was (and is) one of
my
>favorite shows. Also enjoyed any Star Trek time traveling stories.
>Therefore, I have enjoyed immensely Firestorm and the great story that
C.C.
>recently wrote, the title of which momentarily escapes me (forgive me,
it's
>still sort of early here and I've been in bumper to bumper traffic for
an
>hour...).
>
>Irene, thanks again for sharing Firestorm with us, PLEASE continue to
write
>fanfic as you write and plot excellently. Maybe someday I'll get up the
>courage to write one of my own. :-)
>
>Vicki
>Vicki.Krell@asu.edu <mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu>
>
>
>                -----Original Message-----
>                From:   Wendy Richards [mailto:ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK]
>                Sent:   Wednesday, March 31, 1999 12:04 PM
>                To:     LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
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>
>                Irene, thank you!
>
>                This is a wonderful story - and considering it's your
first
>fanfic it
>                is truly excellent. As Phil said, the plotting and
structure
>is
>                extremely good, and as for the suspense... well, I had
>absolutely no
>                idea what was going to happen until the very last page.
>
>                And the emotional impact was huge, as well.
>
>                It's after 8pm here, I'm still in my office - I should
have
>left at
>                least an hour ago. The reason I didn't is that I
started
>reading
>                Firestorm and couldn't stop. *That's* how good it is.
>
>                Well done, Irene, and a sequel, please!!
>
>                Wendy
>                ----------------------
>                Wendy Richards
>                w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk

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In a message dated 99-04-01 12:33:16 EST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Up until a month ago, I had no desire to write! >>

And now you have all sorts of people you didn't know demanding that you
write
more!!

--Laurie
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From: LabRat

>Now, funny you should mention that, Peggy <g> I'd be real interested to
hear
>the answer to this myself. Never been pregnant (got no intentions either
><g>), but I can say that hormonal changes definitely affect *my* writing
>abilities.
>
Hmmm, that's really fascinating--kinda scary, too -- think of how much we're
under the influence of chemicals in our brains!  (Does this mean that
hormones--or lack of them-- *cause* inspiration?  ;-)

I wonder how many other writers notice day-to-day (or even hour-to-hour)
differences in
creative/writing ability?

I have difficulty writing in the mornings & afternoons.  In college, when
trying to write research papers, I found that I could sit and twiddle my
pencil all day and not come up with a coherent sentence until evening.  I
thought at the time that it was just because I was a world-class
procrastinator who needed the imminent deadline to spur me to write, but
now, after having the experience of trying to write *every day*, I've
realized that there's something else going on.  I just can't seem to focus
in the early part of the day, then in late afternoon, there is an almost
audible CLICK in my brain and suddenly the ideas and words start to flow.
And the later it gets, the easier it gets.

Peggy,
enjoying fanfiction more than any bookstore/bought fiction in the last 20
years (and
hoping to change the "bought" part of that sentence when the fanzine comes
out!)
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>From: No Name Available <Larus2407@AOL.COM>
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>In a message dated 99-04-01 12:33:16 EST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM
writes:
>
><< Up until a month ago, I had no desire to write! >>
>
>And now you have all sorts of people you didn't know demanding that you
write
>more!!

>>--Laurie

I know I do!! And I have *no* idea what to write about!!!

Irene

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> >In a message dated 99-04-01 12:33:16 EST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM
> writes:
> >
> ><< Up until a month ago, I had no desire to write! >>
> >
> >And now you have all sorts of people you didn't know demanding that you
> write
> >more!!
>
> >>--Laurie
>
> I know I do!! And I have *no* idea what to write about!!!
>
> Irene
>

We'd probably be happy with further adventures of Jimmy and Lee
as they travel through time.  Does that help kick start the creative
juices?

Mark
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At 05:17 PM 4/1/1999 -0800, Eileen B wrote:
>The problem
>arises when it comes to writing them down.  I want to get them down on
paper
>so quickly that I don't pay as much attention to things like grammar and
>punctuation as I should do.  It's not that I'm bad at these things, it's
>just my brain is working quicker than my fingers!

<g>  Yep, that just about sums it up for me;)

>One thing I don't have a great problem with is spelling - as I have always
>been very good at spelling since I first learned how to read and write but
I
>know what James means about phonetics - you often have words that you know
>sound okay but when it comes to writing them down they never seem to be
>quite right and you have to re-think whole sentences and sometimes even
>whole paragraphs.

I find the inline spellchecker (the one that underlines the 'mis-spelled'
words in the text as you type) a life saver!  Also, WP8 has this nifty
feature that allows instant thesaurus checking (it's a drop-down list of
alternate words for the word you have your pointer on) which I use
constantly for inspiration:) (if not for selecting another alternate word
because I've used "special" three times in the same sentence<g>)

I'm not sure what I'd do if I didn't have these features<g>  (But, on the
other hand I hate QuickCorrect, it just annoys the heck out of me;)

BTW I "can't" write new material if I'm not at my keyboard.  i.e. I never
write new parts of the story using pen and paper.

As a result, I store the new inspirations somewhere in the back of my mind
until I get to my keyboard, ready to write.  It usually works out fine,
because by the time I get to my keyboard I've identified the major
plot-holes and I can fix them as I write:)  Does anyone else have this
"problem"?

Margaret
Procrastinating again!  I gotta stop *doing* that;)
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Greetings from Canada.

I sent you a private email yesterday but it came back - wrong addy.  so
I will just post it here and add my 2 cents to the discussion of what to
write about now.

First of all, I really enjoyed the story.  I thought it was really
well-written and also the interaction between the characters was great.
But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle.

How about a story of in Lee's time period where she meets a descendant
of Jimmy's?  Or even time travel with Lee and Jimmy.

I am sure if you wait long enough, enough people on this list will give
you some good ideas on what to write.

Sue
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> >And now you have all sorts of people you didn't know demanding that yo=
u
> write
> >more!!
>
> >>--Laurie
>
> I know I do!! And I have *no* idea what to write about!!!
>
> Irene
>

Maybe we should have a site dedicated to fic ideas, like the X-Philes do.=
 Or
do we and I'm just behind the times?

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Irene,
Wow!  What a great first effort.  Firestorm was terrific.  Add me to the
list
of people who stayed up late in order to finish it.  (Good thing today was
the
last day before spring break.)  The plot, characterizations, everything were
extremely well done.  Can't wait to see your next story.

Ann
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An OKI Folcfest couls be lots of fun.  Until yesterday I didn't even know if
there were any other Folcs in this neck of the woods.

Who is a good organizer?

Ann
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In a message dated 4/1/99 5:29:22 PM EST, smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>

No imagination needed <g>, just rewatch the Lex Files episodes.....Superman
meets Dr Klein outside to ask about the possibility of producing a child
with
an earth woman.  Dr. Klein is sitting on his motorcycle.
I thought this was a great reminder of what a lovable character Dr Klein
was.
 Many thanks, Irene for a heartwarming story.   I was very intrigued by the
character interaction, and plotline.
How about a story about the twins growing up?
Kate
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I'm in this neck of the woods. If I didnt have a
full time job, I'd be all for it. However, if a about
3 or 4 of us could get together, it would be a maybe.
Email me privately.

At 05:55 PM 4/1/99 EST, you wrote:
>An OKI Folcfest couls be lots of fun.  Until yesterday I didn't even know
if
>there were any other Folcs in this neck of the woods.
>
>Who is a good organizer?
>
>Ann
>

farah :)
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Margaret wrote:

>BTW I "can't" write new material if I'm not at my keyboard.  i.e. I never
>write new parts of the story using pen and paper.
>
>As a result, I store the new inspirations somewhere in the back of my mind
>until I get to my keyboard, ready to write.  It usually works out fine,
>because by the time I get to my keyboard I've identified the major
>plot-holes and I can fix them as I write:)  Does anyone else have this
>"problem"?
>
Not this problem as such for me, Margaret. But similar. I never really
*think* of touching pen to paper these days - I've been so inured to using
first typewriters and then PCs right from the start that by this time it
just doesn't occur to me that there's anything else to grab when inspiration
strikes. Oh, how often I've sat here at my desk like a cat on hot needles
waiting for the PC to fire up so that I can jot down the ideas that I've
just had (usually just as I slip into sleep. <g>). I have two notepads
sitting here, but it never enters my head to grab them and scribble as I do.

I do know that I've used PCs for so long that I'm almost incapable of
writing manually at all now. I end up with writer's cramp within about three
paragraphs. Sad but true.

Reading about all these little quirks reminds me of Stephen King talking
about writing novels under his alias, Richard Bachman. I can't recall the
specifics but I think it was black graphic pencils. As himself, King typed
all of his manuscripts. But Bachman would only use black graphic pencils and
handwrite them. King couldn't explain this phenomenon. He only knew that
that was the way Bachman wrote and if he tried to buck Richard he couldn't
write a word.

Spooky, Mulder.

LabRat :)
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Sue wrote:

>First of all, I really enjoyed the story.  I thought it was really
>well-written and also the interaction between the characters was great.
>But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle.
>
You never got the chance to see S4's FTASV, did you, Sue? ;) Bernie is a
member of the LabRats Motorcycle Club and he looks kinda cute in black
leather. <g>

LabRat (who'd join, but whose legs are too short to reach the pedals.)
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You know, I try to post this everyonce in a while (new people join the list
all of the time) but I wanted to let you folcs know that all of the cool
stories that are posted here are also available at:

http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html

I hope most of you have a browser because its a great way to catch any
thread you may have missed. Its also great in case you don't want to deal
with any of the mail. However, don't everyone unsubscribe at once! I still
need folcs here to post!
farah

farah :)
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>Greetings from Canada.

Greetings to you from Canada too! (Southwestern Ontario, to be more
precise)
>
>I sent you a private email yesterday but it came back - wrong addy.  so
>I will just post it here and add my 2 cents to the discussion of what
to
>write about now.
>
>First of all, I really enjoyed the story.  I thought it was really
>well-written and also the interaction between the characters was great.
>But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle.

There actually is a 4th season episode that shows Dr. Klein on a
motorbike - I can't remember which one unfortunately but I'm sure there
is someone out there who does know.
>
>How about a story of in Lee's time period where she meets a descendant
>of Jimmy's?  Or even time travel with Lee and Jimmy.

Actually, inspiration struck today.  I think I have an idea of what I'll
be writing next.
>
>I am sure if you wait long enough, enough people on this list will give
>you some good ideas on what to write.

>Sue
Lots of people are making excellent suggestions to me. Thank you,
everyone.

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Here I am, adding my two cents again.

Margaret Brignell and Labrat both wrote that they only write on the PC.
I am quite different.

I like to do all my plotting with a pen and paper.  I don't work out all
the details, but I do end up with a general description of where I'm
going.  I wrote a number of sections of Firestorm while I was in various
locations ie. waiting at the doctor's office, waiting for my daughter to
finish her horseback riding lesson, or waiting for both my son and
daughter to finish their judo lesson.

Like Eileen B., I didn't worry too much about punctuation and grammar
but, every day, before I wrote anything new, I would reread the previous
day's work, edit it myself, and correct the really glaring errors.

I guess we all have quite different perspectives on the same activity.

Take care,
Irene
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Hi!!
   I was on this list before, and I just re-signed up.  My name is Erin, and
I'm a HUGE FoLC!! It's my life ;)  I just wanted to say Hi, and that I am
willing to write a RR Fic with someone!! So if you are interested, just
e-mail me privately!
  Thankyou ;)
   Erin
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--- No Name Available  wrote:
>I suffer from reader's
> hangover.. it can either be good
> or bad.  I will experience the same emotions the
> characters did.. and I will
> feel them for quite a while! <G>

I agree totally.  There are days when the Dawning
series seems more real than my life.  (Of course, I'm
going through a pretty stressful time at work, so it's
probably the closest thing I can find to escapist
literature.)
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--- Phillip Atcliffe  wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:10:48 PST irene d
> <sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > "Lois!" he rolled his eyes. "Leave those two
alone.
> We finally
> managed to get together. They can, too! After all,
> would you have been
> grateful for the help if someone had tried with us?"
> <
>
> Hey! I won a Kerth for that story! <bg>

LOL, Phil.  And congratulations on the Kerth.  You
certainly had my vote.<G>
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> > --- Peggy Mueller  wrote:
> > > Something I read recently raised this question
> for
> > > me--do writers create
> > > their stories by picturing scenes in their
> > > imaginations and "translating"
> > > the pictures into words, or do they form the
> scenes
> > > in words that somehow
> > > coalesce into stories?  I'd really like to hear
> > from
> > > you writers on this
> > > question!

Peggy,
After reading so many of the other responses, I'm
beginning to feel that my auditory writing style is
rather unique.

It got me to wondering how other writers work.  My
husband usually writes one or two sentences at a time.
I, however, usually do my best work as I'm supposed to
falling asleep or in the shower when I'm supposed to be
waking up (My best shower work leaves me with **VERY**
high water bills and wrinkly, pruned-up skin.  By the
time I commit my work to paper, I usually have at least
several paragraphs--if not a page or two--written in my
head.

Well, how much do you guys write at any given time?
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In a message dated 4/1/99 4:29:18 PM Central Standard Time,
smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>

Ack!  Get thyself to: http://www.actwd.com/zoomway/labrats.htm

Zoomway@aol.com (love that guy -- the episode was Shadow of a Doubt, btw ;)
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<<<< Also, has anyone related fluctuations in their creative or writing
abilities to hormonal or chemical changes. >>>>

< Now, funny you should mention that, Peggy <g> I'd be real interested to
hear
the answer to this myself. Never been pregnant (got no intentions either
<g>), but I can say that hormonal changes definitely affect *my* writing
abilities. >

Never been pregnant either, but I remember reading a book where Madeleine
L'Engle (author of lots of books, the most famous being A Wrinkle in Time)
said
that she couldn't write productively when she was pregnant. She attributed
it
not to hormones but to creativity. She said she was already being creative,
creating her child, and couldn't manage any more creativity ;)

<<<< Does consumption of coffee and other caffeinated beverages, or use of
nicotine affect story-writing?  What about chocolate?  ;-) >>>>

Don't smoke and the only caffeine I consume is in chocolate, which
definately
helps me write ;) Seriously, I seem to get my best ideas when I don't have
time
to write (ie, when I have an exam the next day or when my computer is in the
shop). I've tried writing using a pen & paper (which I normally use to get
ideas straight in my head sometimes even when my computer is working) but I
find I can't write fast enough!

<< All of this talk about meeting online friends has made me curious -- has
there ever been a FolcFest in the Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana region? >>

A few days ago, Kathy mentioned a Great Lakes folcfest. Wouldn't this
encompass
at least the Indiana & Ohio part of OKI? (Though, being an Ohioan, the more
fests in my area, the better chance I'd be able to attend one sometime.)

<< maybe they don't want to make the sacrafices their father did in terms of
being a Superhero. It's not so black and white.  It's not really about
choosing
to help or not to help people.  It's about choosing a way of life, for there
are many ways to help people, not just the way Superman does. In other
words,
is the pressure of being Superman's son or daughter a "way of life
sentence?"
Does this child have a choice?  (I wonder if anyone could write a good
rebellion fanfic.) >>

I also tried to address some of those topics in a fic I wrote a while back,
though I'm sure my character was really a rebel. It's called Emptiness in
Harmony and it's in the archive. Though in my story, the "rebel" was older
than
Jonny (she was 17). Whether it was "a good rebellion fanfic" I'll leave up
to
you to decide ;) Just bare in mind it was written a (relatively) long time
ago.

<< As for weaknesses in the story, there really weren't any.  But, I think
something was missing.  For instance, the last time we saw Lois and Clark,
they
had just become parents.  In this opening story, several months have passed
and
Lois, especially, seems very comfortable as a parent. The only issues she
appears to have are over childcare problems, which, granted, isn't a small
problem.  However, considering all we've come to know about Lois over the
years, I felt cheated a little at not seeing some of the initial "struggle."
>>

I agree that it would've been nice to see some of Lois and Clark's struggle
with parenthood. Many fanfics end with their child's birth and we never get
to
see that. I'm not a parent, but I'm sure that a lot of doubts surface if
you're
met with an accusation like Lois and Clark were. However, when I read it, I
chalked it up to wanting to stay current with the timeline, not 3-4 months
behind, ie, so that a Christmas episode could be written during the holiday
season.

<< But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>

As many people have mentioned, you don't need to imagine very far, but the
part
I had trouble seeing (actually, hearing) was Dr Klein calling Lee (or anyone
besides *maybe* a wife) terms of endearment sucha as "sweetie" and
"darling."
It didn't really seem in character to me, but then I thought perhaps he had
changed over the years, but I think if he had, this could've been shown, so
that the audience knows he changed. We know he changed in some ways, but he
still didn't seem to be the kind of guy who would say "sweetie" to his
granddaughter, IMO.

Actually, there was another thing that stretched my credibility just a bit-
Lee
being 20 and finishing up a doctorate in genetics. If someone were to go to
grad school right after finishing their undergrad, they'd be approx 26 when
finishing their PhD, depending on how long it takes. It's really
*incredibly*
rare for someone to be finishing a PhD at 20!! I'm not saying it couldn't
happen, because I'm sure it has, it's just really hard to believe that Lee
could be that smart. It would be more believable if she were finishing her
undergrad work at 20; this is also early, but not unbelievably so.

Since I've given two sorta criticisms of the story, I have to also add my
favorite two lines, since i thought overall this was a good story, based on
a
clever idea.

<<< Exasperated, she pulled out a pair of black high-heeled leather boots.
"It's a good thing I can fly.  I'd never be able to walk in these," >> and--

<<< Firestorm took a deep breath.  "Jimmy, would you like to go flying with
me?" "Oh, is that what they're calling it these days?" >>> LOL!

-Christy
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Hey Christy,

Thanks for the feedback.

There is a valid reason that Dr. Klein calls Lee "sweetie" in my story.
That's the way *I* talk.  I call my husband that, I call my kids that, I
call my kids' friends "sweetie" too! I tend to use a lot of verbal
endearments for those people who are near and dear to me so this is the
way I pictured Dr. Klein.

As far as the doctorate, does anyone remember the show "Doogie Howser,
M.D."?  This popped into my mind when I was trying to figure out if Lee
was a doctor or not.  I figured if an ordinary garden-variety genius
could enter med school at 16 or 17, then Lee with her brilliance mixed
with her superpowers could graduate early!

I very much appreciate your criticism, Christy.  It shows that I've made
you think about this story.

Thank you,
Irene

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><<<< Also, has anyone related fluctuations in their creative or writing
>abilities to hormonal or chemical changes. >>>>
>
>< Now, funny you should mention that, Peggy <g> I'd be real interested
to hear
>the answer to this myself. Never been pregnant (got no intentions
either
><g>), but I can say that hormonal changes definitely affect *my*
writing
>abilities. >
>
>Never been pregnant either, but I remember reading a book where
Madeleine
>L'Engle (author of lots of books, the most famous being A Wrinkle in
Time) said
>that she couldn't write productively when she was pregnant. She
attributed it
>not to hormones but to creativity. She said she was already being
creative,
>creating her child, and couldn't manage any more creativity ;)
>
><<<< Does consumption of coffee and other caffeinated beverages, or use
of
>nicotine affect story-writing?  What about chocolate?  ;-) >>>>
>
>Don't smoke and the only caffeine I consume is in chocolate, which
definately
>helps me write ;) Seriously, I seem to get my best ideas when I don't
have time
>to write (ie, when I have an exam the next day or when my computer is
in the
>shop). I've tried writing using a pen & paper (which I normally use to
get
>ideas straight in my head sometimes even when my computer is working)
but I
>find I can't write fast enough!
>
><< All of this talk about meeting online friends has made me curious --
has
>there ever been a FolcFest in the Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana region? >>
>
>A few days ago, Kathy mentioned a Great Lakes folcfest. Wouldn't this
encompass
>at least the Indiana & Ohio part of OKI? (Though, being an Ohioan, the
more
>fests in my area, the better chance I'd be able to attend one
sometime.)
>
><< maybe they don't want to make the sacrafices their father did in
terms of
>being a Superhero. It's not so black and white.  It's not really about
choosing
>to help or not to help people.  It's about choosing a way of life, for
there
>are many ways to help people, not just the way Superman does. In other
words,
>is the pressure of being Superman's son or daughter a "way of life
sentence?"
>Does this child have a choice?  (I wonder if anyone could write a good
>rebellion fanfic.) >>
>
>I also tried to address some of those topics in a fic I wrote a while
back,
>though I'm sure my character was really a rebel. It's called Emptiness
in
>Harmony and it's in the archive. Though in my story, the "rebel" was
older than
>Jonny (she was 17). Whether it was "a good rebellion fanfic" I'll leave
up to
>you to decide ;) Just bare in mind it was written a (relatively) long
time ago.
>
><< As for weaknesses in the story, there really weren't any.  But, I
think
>something was missing.  For instance, the last time we saw Lois and
Clark, they
>had just become parents.  In this opening story, several months have
passed and
>Lois, especially, seems very comfortable as a parent. The only issues
she
>appears to have are over childcare problems, which, granted, isn't a
small
>problem.  However, considering all we've come to know about Lois over
the
>years, I felt cheated a little at not seeing some of the initial
"struggle." >>
>
>I agree that it would've been nice to see some of Lois and Clark's
struggle
>with parenthood. Many fanfics end with their child's birth and we never
get to
>see that. I'm not a parent, but I'm sure that a lot of doubts surface
if you're
>met with an accusation like Lois and Clark were. However, when I read
it, I
>chalked it up to wanting to stay current with the timeline, not 3-4
months
>behind, ie, so that a Christmas episode could be written during the
holiday
>season.
>
><< But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>
>
>As many people have mentioned, you don't need to imagine very far, but
the part
>I had trouble seeing (actually, hearing) was Dr Klein calling Lee (or
anyone
>besides *maybe* a wife) terms of endearment sucha as "sweetie" and
"darling."
>It didn't really seem in character to me, but then I thought perhaps he
had
>changed over the years, but I think if he had, this could've been
shown, so
>that the audience knows he changed. We know he changed in some ways,
but he
>still didn't seem to be the kind of guy who would say "sweetie" to his
>granddaughter, IMO.
>
>Actually, there was another thing that stretched my credibility just a
bit- Lee
>being 20 and finishing up a doctorate in genetics. If someone were to
go to
>grad school right after finishing their undergrad, they'd be approx 26
when
>finishing their PhD, depending on how long it takes. It's really
*incredibly*
>rare for someone to be finishing a PhD at 20!! I'm not saying it
couldn't
>happen, because I'm sure it has, it's just really hard to believe that
Lee
>could be that smart. It would be more believable if she were finishing
her
>undergrad work at 20; this is also early, but not unbelievably so.
>
>Since I've given two sorta criticisms of the story, I have to also add
my
>favorite two lines, since i thought overall this was a good story,
based on a
>clever idea.
>
><<< Exasperated, she pulled out a pair of black high-heeled leather
boots.
>"It's a good thing I can fly.  I'd never be able to walk in these," >>
and--
>
><<< Firestorm took a deep breath.  "Jimmy, would you like to go flying
with
>me?" "Oh, is that what they're calling it these days?" >>> LOL!
>
>-Christy
> kubitc@kenyon.edu

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I found a typo on the Klein page, but fixed it. Never put up a page without
your editor reading it first <g>

Zoomway@aol.com (Klein, my big strong science man ;)
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I've got a "reader's hangover" problem of my own.  If I read anything
for a long period of time, I'll start thinking and even speaking in that
writing style.  Now this can be problem.  For example, this morning I
read an autobiography.  For the rest of the day, I was putting
*everything* into my own, mental autobiography.

L&C puts me into third person and extreme WAFF mode.  Doesn't bother me
a bit as long as I'm not speaking, but I've learned to keep my mouth
shut for about a half an hour after reading any fanfic.

And I won't even go into what happens when I read Shakespeare.  I've
gotten some pretty strange looks at school for that one.

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At 4:58 PM -0800 4/1/99, Elisabeth wrote:

>Well, how much do you guys write at any given time?

Oh, boy, loaded question. <g>  The answer depends on how my 'muse' is
doing.  There are times when I have to force myself to just *look* at a
story for a short time everyday, to keep it fresh. Those days, I don't do
much writing, but as an editor, I make a lot of changes.  Then there are
other stretches when the words flow.

My nfic "Giving Thanks" was basically written in one sitting and it's 59 K.
(What's that, about 20 pages?)  The story I wrote for the upcoming fanzine,
I wrote in 2 hours last Mother's Day when my husband took our daughter out
for the day to give me uninterupted time to do whatever I wanted (now
*that's* a present! LOL!)  It's about 35 K, or 12 pages in my word
processor. (And jumping  briefly into the "visual dreams" discussion, I'm
in that camp--the climax scenes of both of these stories came to me in a
dream/daydream and I just wrote down what I "saw" and wrapped a story
around it. :))  The S5 episode "A Flickering Flame" was written in 2.5
days--130 K.  I never knew I could write like that, and it's not an
experience I'd care to repeat (stressful is an understatment), but man, did
I feel good when it was all done. It was like being told you were going to
run a marathon with no warning, then not only finishing, but placing. :)

Now, lest you think I can always write like that <g>, let's compare that to
"Winners" which was written in 3 phases over about a year (238 K), and of
course, the story Demi and I have been writing for the last 3 years. LOL!
We make these great leaps on it, 100 K or more, then it sits for months and
months until we have time for it again.

Weighing in on the pen and paper debate, about 2 years ago, I was in the
camp that *couldn't* write without a keyboard.  Then one week I was
visiting my parents and had an scene idea for a story I was working on, and
knew I better get it down before I lost it altogether.  It was really
difficult for me to write it down--I actually felt extremely
self-conscious!  Even though it was only my eyes that were looking at it, I
felt very awkward writing things down.  I had to practically close my eyes
to get started. <g>  But once I got over that hump, it came a lot easier.

I still do 99% of my writing on the keyboard, but if I have an idea for a
scene, I can now sketch it out on paper.  Of course, it reads more like
notes. Something like,

>>>>>
Lois, reading a magazine (Parenting?) in bed: "Did you lock up?"

Clark, smiling at her from the bedroom doorway:  "Mmm hmm."  Clark gets
into bed, sweetly kissing Lois's tummy (the baby) and saying "goodnight",
then when he has her attention, raises his lips to hers and tells her the
same.
<<<<<<

For this story ("Through The Looking Glass"), my notes continued from
there, written more in script form than actual prose, until I had the
dialogue for the scene completed.  In this case, I was in bed with a 102
degree fever but in my delirium <g>, the entire answer to my question "how
do I incorporate our L&C into the Alt Ep?" sprang into my head and I just
*had* to write it down.  (Though it was hard writing on my side. The pen
kept losing ink upside down. <vbg>)

Once I recovered enough to hit the keyboard, what actually came from those
notes was this:

>>>>
Clark Kent entered the bedroom to find his wife, Lois Lane, already in bed.
She had several pillows supporting her back as she leaned against the
headboard, a current issue of "Your Baby" magazine perched on her
pregnancy-swollen belly.

"Did you lock up?" she asked absently, engrossed in her article.

"Mm-hmm," he nodded, smiling at her warmly. He could never get enough of
looking at her ... at them. His family.

Clark sat on his side of the bed. He raised Lois's pajama top off her
stomach, careful not to disturb the magazine she was reading. Eyes fixed on
her stomach, a soft smile on his lips, he rubbed one hand tenderly over the
firm roundness that contained their child. Clark lowered his lips to her
skin, placed a gentle kiss to her tummy, and whispered, "Goodnight, honey."

Lois set her magazine down on the night stand and watched her husband with
tender amusement.

Knowing he was being watched, Clark now shifted his attention up to his
wife. Lifting his head to hers, he kissed her mouth in the same lingering,
loving way, and whispered again, "Goodnight, honey."
<<<<<

(From "Through The Looking Glass")

As you can see, the pen/paper just got the outline down, but when I type,
the actual emotions and descriptions are free to play out.

Both pen/paper and the keyboard are tools I use differently--there have
been many a night when I've had an idea at 3 am that I just had to write
down lest I lose it.  I wouldn't take the time to boot up the computer, but
I will pad downstairs to the computer room, pull out a piece of paper and a
pen, and start scribbling.  Only when I've finished the scene does my mind
slow down enough for me to actually try sleeping again. :)  I've found
these notes, while not complete as you can see above, jog my memory enough
when I actually do sit down at the computer that I can recreate what I
"saw" when I took the notes.

Now these are the kind of discussions I look forward to on this list. :)

Kathy (ok, break's over ... back to the taxes ;))

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In a message dated 99-04-01 20:49:54 EST, you write:
Irene said:

<< I figured if an ordinary garden-variety genius
 could enter med school at 16 or 17, then Lee with her brilliance mixed
 with her superpowers could graduate early! >>

You make a valid point, Irene.  I mean Lois and Clark were obviously smart
and all, but they both went through their schooling at normal rates.  Why
not
have one superchild be incredibley smart and go through school *super* fast!
;)

Alexis ;-.)
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Hey Folcs :-)
I have no idea about the different accents in the US, even if I can hear the
difference between people from Texas to people from NY (it's not *that*
difficult
to hear that isn't it <g>?), but I can hear some very Deanish
pronounciations. I
don't know though if they're caused by a Californian accent or just typical
Dean
:-)

I always say that if someone called me pretending he was Dean Cain, I would
let
him say "Because the fox is on the loose" and I would instantly know if that
someone was an imposter or the real guy <g>. I'm sure nobody else could
pronnounce "because", "fox" and "loose" like that!

I also notice that he slurs the words together a little bit and that his
pronounciation in general is very "smooth", without hard consonants and long
vowels (?). Nice!!!!

take care
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I meant to post a reply to the list  last night - it is 8:45 am here in
Toronto - but had to share it with my husband  LOL

As soon as someone mentioned the 4th year ep where Supers asked the good
doctor about running tests, I remember the scene quite well.

Thanks again for you guys setting me straight re that.

I have enjoyed the fanfic very much where you guys have given Dr. Klein
a life outside the lab - even given him a descendant in the future.
Even paired him off with the doctor that Lois and Clark both saw.  Her
name escapes me.

There is life beyond the lab.  LOL

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I have enjoyed this thread about fan fiction and whether or not people
picture it in their minds before getting it down on paper.

I have been "writing" for about 30 years, since my early teens.  Now I
am giving my age away.  I did not have very many friends in school -
grammar, high, college - and so my imagination became my best friend.
Even now I think of some of the things I wrote/imagined and it passed
the time.

I have been writing one fan fic since November - A TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE
HEART - and was looking at it the other day and was surpised at how much
I had actually done.

As for a certain time each day, well, I have to to share this puter with
my husband and kids so I usually just write then I get some inspiration
and have the puter all to myself.

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<< As far as the doctorate, does anyone remember the show "Doogie Howser,
M.D."?  This popped into my mind when I was trying to figure out if Lee
was a doctor or not.  I figured if an ordinary garden-variety genius could
enter med school at 16 or 17, then Lee with her brilliance mixed with her
superpowers could graduate early! >>

A question and a comment. First, do you mean for Lee to be a medical doctor,
or
a PhD (doctor of philosophy) in science? In the beginning, I was under the
impression that she was a medical doctor, but then I seem to remember there
being something in the story that said she wasn't very adept or comfortable
with dealing with patients (or maybe I am just imagining this.) Anyway, by
the
end of the story, I thought she must be a PhD. Now I'm not sure. It doesn't
make a big difference to the story, but I think it's more likely for a PhD
to
specialize in genetics as Lee does. Medical doctors usually specialize in
actual medical disciplines, such as pediatrics, orthopedics, etc. Also,
people
do get into areas of research in different ways, but often doctors who want
to
be researchers (as opposed to concentrating in patient care) in something
like
genetics might have both an MD/PhD, which takes a LONG time.

Now the comment- I know there have been young doctors (and I don't want to
belabor the point), but... I know a few "ordinary garden variety geniuses."
(I
was lucky to be able to attend high school with some very smart people.) By
ordinary, I mean that these people would be classified as "genius" by a
standardized test such as the Stanford-Binet, which, I believe defines
"genius"
as having an IQ of 150. (The actual number depends on which test you take.
Stanford-Binet is just one type.) I don't meant "genius" as in Einstein.
(Although, now it occurs to me that maybe you do mean "genius as in
Einstein"
for Lee.) The smartest of these people skipped 8th grade and attends an Ivy
League school, from which he'll be graduating on time. As will his sister,
another "genius."

It's likely that superpowers give Lee a great advantage in things like
decreasing study time since she can read so fast. (I seem to remember other
fanfics where Lois and Clark have "genius" children.) It just surprised me
that
she would be *so* accelerated. Many parents wouldn't want a "genius" child
to
be accelerated that much since it may have negative repurcussions on his/her
social development. (I think Doogie Houser, though based on a real life, is
quite idealized in his social skills, if I remember the show correctly.
Another
example is on Ally McBeal, where there is a 10-year old attorney (I *think*
he's 10) who also has a growth disorder, and cries & has tantrums in court.)

-Christy
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>>  By the
time I commit my work to paper, I usually have at least
several paragraphs--if not a page or two--written in my
head. <<

I can't keep too much in my head at one time before the new stuff crowds
out the old stuff... I have to get it down somewhere.  As to how much I c=
an
write at a time, that totally depends on my level of inspiration and the
lack of outside interruptions.  My husband is very forgiving of my
obsession, but my toddler just doesn't quite understand.

I think the longest session I've had was when I wrote the original
"President Kent".  I was out shopping after work, playing around with the=

idea of Clark as President, looking at pros and cons, and was hit over th=
e
head by inspiration.  I got home and scribbled in a notebook for at least=

an hour, getting it all or mostly finished, then transcribed it into the
computer, revising a bit as I went... the story was pretty much done befo=
re
bedtime.  Mostly, though, I take longer.

PJ

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>> I like to do all my plotting with a pen and paper.  I don't work out a=
ll
the details, but I do end up with a general description of where I'm
going.  I wrote a number of sections of Firestorm while I was in various
locations ie. waiting at the doctor's office, waiting for my daughter to
finish her horseback riding lesson, or waiting for both my son and
daughter to finish their judo lesson. <<

Irene, I can definitely identify with ya here.  I try to keep a notebook =
in
my purse at all times, to jot down dialog or inspiration as they occur to=

me -- just can't always get to the keyboard.  I don't do the majority of =
my
writing on paper, but for me, it's a good way to get things flowing.  =

I spent about two weeks working out the basic plotline of "Crazy For You"=

in my notebook -- it's fun to go back and see some of the early ideas tha=
t
got changed as I went along.  And when I was writing for S5/S6, I started=
 a
lot of scenes in the bathroom <g> sitting on the floor while my son
splashed in the bathtub.  Once I get the scene going, then it's easier to=

sit down at the keyboard.  I also revise as I type it in, so that's a
relatively pain-free way to get a second draft.

Word processing programs are *wonderful* and I adore them (I have several=

<g>) but I refuse to give up my notebooks...

PJ

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"And I don't know why we even bothered with childbirth classes,
because obviously I'm never going to actually give birth!"
--Lois in "It's Time", ep 22 of S5
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In a message dated 99-04-02 11:59:12 EST, kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:

<< It just surprised me that
 she would be *so* accelerated. Many parents wouldn't want a "genius" child
to
 be accelerated that much since it may have negative repurcussions on
his/her
 social development.  >>

Well, in Lee's case, I suspected that she'd focused on scholastics and
studying and science and wasn't interested/avoided all the social stuff
anyway. With her skills and inherent "smarts" she could easily have started
college a couple years early, but once there and with no one forcing her not
to, she might well have just pushed and pushed on her studies and totally
ignored everything else.

It's obvious that she had never done well with social development anyway and
so would have easily managed to avoid it in favor of accelerated studies.

Guess, we'll just have to let Irene tell us eventually. <g>

--Laurie
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Mandy-
        I finished reading your new story last night.  I loved it.  You put
lots of touches that add a lot of interest.  Francie's parting words to
Clark
were fun.  The whole scene at Mrs. Wicca's was well crafted.  One could
understand both Clark and Lois's point of view, Clark seeing more to Mrs.
Wicca than Lois.  Her bookshelf made me laugh... Martha Stewart (it takes
one
to know one, LOL) and Lucinda Vane.  What a hoot.  Jonny was tenderly drawn
as a special little fellow with a big concern.  Thanks for one more story to
print up for my extra special archives.
                                        Laurie
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Okay, I surrender!

Lee's degree is obviously a sticking point.  I now have two choices.  I
can rewrite a little of the story to make it clear that she is not
officially a doctor yet, but that she has all the skills and knowledge
already due to her ... special skills.  Or I can just state that the
education system in the States finally received a much needed revamping
and this is why Lee graduated at such a young age!

Seriously, I think I will rewrite a little of this and make it clear
that Lee is brilliant, focused on her studies but hasn't graduated yet.

Take care,
Irene
sirenegold@hotmail.com
sirengold on IRC

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>Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:08:49 EST
>
>In a message dated 99-04-02 11:59:12 EST, kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:
>
><< It just surprised me that
> she would be *so* accelerated. Many parents wouldn't want a "genius"
child to
> be accelerated that much since it may have negative repurcussions on
his/her
> social development.  >>
>
>Well, in Lee's case, I suspected that she'd focused on scholastics and
>studying and science and wasn't interested/avoided all the social stuff
>anyway. With her skills and inherent "smarts" she could easily have
started
>college a couple years early, but once there and with no one forcing
her not
>to, she might well have just pushed and pushed on her studies and
totally
>ignored everything else.
>
>It's obvious that she had never done well with social development
anyway and
>so would have easily managed to avoid it in favor of accelerated
studies.
>
>Guess, we'll just have to let Irene tell us eventually. <g>
>
>--Laurie

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Date:         Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:13:52 EST
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I wrote-
<<<< It just surprised me that she would be *so* accelerated. Many parents
wouldn't want a "genius" child to  be accelerated that much since it may
have
negative repurcussions on his/her social development.  >>>>

Laurie responded-
<< Well, in Lee's case, I suspected that she'd focused on scholastics and
studying and science and wasn't interested/avoided all the social stuff
anyway. With her skills and inherent "smarts" she could easily have started
college a couple years early, but once there and with no one forcing her not
to, she might well have just pushed and pushed on her studies and totally
ignored everything else. It's obvious that she had never done well with
social
development anyway and so would have easily managed to avoid it in favor of
accelerated studies.

Guess, we'll just have to let Irene tell us eventually. <g> >>

I'll leave it to Irene to explain things to us, but I wanted to clarify what
I
said above. (Since I"m leaving for the weekend and want to make sure I'm not
misunderstood.) What Laurie said was pretty much my point-- parents often do
not want their "genius" children to be scholastically accelerated to the
degree
Lee was because they wouldn't want their children to turn out like Lee. It's
not that Lee is a bad person, but it seems that since she has been so
focused
on academics that her social life has taken a back seat. That isn't a
completely horrible thing (heck, I'm probably guilty of that<g>), it's just
that she doesn't seem comfortable socially. (At least that is MHO on the
story.
I'm not sure if that's what Irene intended.) So, if parents realize that, to
exist in this world, their child must have *some* social skills, they may
decide not to accelerate him or her.

And, speed-reader or not, Lee must spend lots of time on academics. Thinking
takes time and, if Clark is any indication, superpowers do not a
superintellect
make. Not that Clark is not intelligent, but he doesn't seem to have
superspeed
in thought. (He didn't immediately figure out how to solve the riddle Zara
and
Ching gave him.)

What I'm trying to say is that my point (in my previous post) was that Lee's
dissinterest in socializing may have been a result of her academic
fast-tracking. Or it may not. But, whichever is the case, people need basic
social skills to survive in this world, and that alone is a reason why
parents
don't academically accelerate their children. (Not that I agree with that
reason, necessarily, I'm just presenting it ;)
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In a message dated 99-04-02 12:55:27 EST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< I
 can rewrite a little of the story to make it clear that she is not
 officially a doctor yet, >>

I thought that was quite clear! She protested when they suggested she go by
DR. Carlyle!

--Laurie
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This may be off topic, but I have found several Christians on the list
and am just wondering if there are any others.  If so, please do not
clog this list saying you are, please email me privately.  Thanks.

Sue
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In a message dated 99-04-02 13:58:37 EST, kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:

<< What I'm trying to say is that my point (in my previous post) was that
Lee's
 dissinterest in socializing may have been a result of her academic
 fast-tracking. >>

See, and I took it the other way. She was so uncomfortable with who she was
and how she didn't "fit in" that she academically fast-tracked herself.

--Laurie
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In a message dated 99-04-02 12:30:44 EST, DUNNFOUR@AOL.COM writes:

<<
 Mandy-
         I finished reading your new story last night. >>

Laurie, Sandy wrote this one. Since there is also a fanfic writer named
Mandy, I could see how you'd confuse the names.

--Laurie (the one Sandy mentioned as being a beta reader for this story)
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In a message dated 4/2/99 10:59:12 AM Central Standard Time,
kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:

<< Also, people
 do get into areas of research in different ways, but often doctors who want
to
 be researchers (as opposed to concentrating in patient care) in something
like
 genetics might have both an MD/PhD, which takes a LONG time. >>

I'd guess that my pal Doctor Klein fits into that category.  He mentions
that
he doesn't do "clinical work" anymore because he's "too blunt", and clinical
work involves patients. So I think he has a medical degree and the only
"patient" he makes an exception for is Superman ;)  As to young doctors,
apparently the current "youngest doctor" on record is Balamurali Ambati of
India, who received his degree at the age of seventeen from Mount Sinai
School of Medicine in New York on May 19,1995.

Then there's Marie Stopes, born in 1880 in Edinburgh Scotland. Her mother,
Charlotte was the first woman in Scotland to be awarded a university
certificate, and the reason it was a "certificate" rather than a "degree" is
because women weren't permitted the award of a degree even if (like
Charlotte) they took the same classes and tests as the male students and
passed. This obviously influenced Marie, who became Britain's youngest
"doctor of science" (of either gender) in 1905.

A kind of funny side note. Marie wrote a book in 1916 titled "Married Life".
A publisher who rejected the manuscript said that it would scare off the
young men returning from the war (W.W.I) who wanted to get married.  What
was
so scary in her book?  It stated that marriage should be a partnership where
the wife and husband have equal say in the marriage.  Now had Clark read
this
before Contact... <g>

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I just started writing my first fanfic ever. I never knew i had such great
ideas. An d I gues you're right, the imagination does become a person's best
friend. I have to write out on a piece of paper before typing it up.
Eventually when I get to the typing I never copy it as I had written. I have
to actually picture what I'm writing if not it's not good enough for me.
I have one question for you Sue, is that story A TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE HEART
going to be posted?

Wendy
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>I have enjoyed this thread about fan fiction and whether or not people
>picture it in their minds before getting it down on paper.
>
>I have been "writing" for about 30 years, since my early teens.  Now I
>am giving my age away.  I did not have very many friends in school -
>grammar, high, college - and so my imagination became my best friend.
>Even now I think of some of the things I wrote/imagined and it passed
>the time.
>
>I have been writing one fan fic since November - A TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE
>HEART - and was looking at it the other day and was surpised at how much
>I had actually done.
>
>As for a certain time each day, well, I have to to share this puter with
>my husband and kids so I usually just write then I get some inspiration
>and have the puter all to myself.
>
>Sue
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In a message dated 4/2/99 11:55:27 AM CST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Seriously, I think I will rewrite a little of this and make it clear
 that Lee is brilliant, focused on her studies but hasn't graduated yet.
  >>

Irene, rewrite this if you want to....but ONLY if you are doing it for you.
This is such a small point in such a terrific story, and I hate the idea of
changing your work because some of your readers had a problem with it.

Piper (who is still reeling from having someone else write a sequel to one
of
her stories to......I believe the phrase was 'put things right'...or 'fix
the
ending' or something like that)
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Hi everyone!  I just joined this list a few days ago.  I am a -huge-
FOLC, and I -love- reading fanfic about my favorite couple.  Anyways, I
don't mean to clog up the list, and there is a point to my mearanding..
=)
I am interested in trying my hand at L&C fic.  I don't want to post it
to the list yet since I am very unsatisfied with it. So, I was wondering
if there were any brave souls out there that would like to beta read
some of it for me, and such things.  Any help would be appreicated
greatly.  =)  If you are interested please e-mail me privately at
Bridgid_Leigh@hotmail.com.  Thanks a bundle!!
~~Now back to your regularly secheduled madness~~

Hugs and Kisses!
Bridgid Leigh
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upon them."
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From: PJ Piasecki <PJPiasecki@AOL.COM>
>Irene, rewrite this if you want to....but ONLY if you are doing it for you.
>This is such a small point in such a terrific story, and I hate the idea of
>changing your work because some of your readers had a problem with it.
>

I agree; I haven't been on this list for a terribly long time, but I've been
smiling at the disparate opinions expressed when
authors ask for feedback on their stories.  Some readers remark how much
they detest a scene,
only to have someone else write in and say how much they loved that
very same scene.  I don't think you can please *all* your readers *all* the
time, so unless *everyone*, or almost everyone, hates something, why change
it?

Besides, in the fantasy world of Lois and Clark, where a man can fly, see
through
solid objects, catch bullets in his hands, and most amazing of all, disguise
himself by putting on a pair of glasses, who's to say that one of his
descendants can't finish school at a rather early age?  ;-)

Peggy,
wondering if there are any L&CTNAOS eps on which FOLC's are in total
agreement...
gremlino@pathway.net
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Like everyone else, I want to say thank you for the Kerths.  The
Kerth Awards Ceremony this year was awesome, in all the depth and
breath of that word's true meaning. It ran smoothly, was delightful,
and provided us all with a wonderful excuse for reading fanfiction
and enjoying our beloved Lois & Clark.  My thanks to all who worked
so hard for them.

That said...

> Date:          Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:14:58 EST
> From:          The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM>
> Subject:       Re: Kerth Awards

> I think one big difference is that last year there were stories and
authors
> that covered about four years worth of fanfic <g>  Stories written as far
back
> as 1994 were competing with 95, 96 and 97 stories ;) This year, with the
> Kerths caught up, only stories that appeared in 98 were eligible.

In future years, we might enjoy another category for nominations and,
hopefully, Awards which would allow us to revisit fanfic which, for
what ever reasons, missed nomination in past years.  Since so many
years of fanfic were compressed into a single year, this kind of
award might not be amiss.

The category might be named:

UnKerthed Classic Fanfic?
Classic Fanfic Revisited?
Kerthable Classics?
Kerthing Enduring Favorites?
Vintage Fanfic?
Lifetime Kerths?

Thanks to all, and congratulations to all the winners, and nominees.

klair El
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Laurie Dunn wrote:
>
> Mandy-
>         I finished reading your new story last night.  I loved it.  You
put
> lots of touches that add a lot of interest.  Francie's parting words to
Clark
> were fun.  The whole scene at Mrs. Wicca's was well crafted.  One could
> understand both Clark and Lois's point of view, Clark seeing more to Mrs.
> Wicca than Lois.  Her bookshelf made me laugh... Martha Stewart (it takes
one
> to know one, LOL) and Lucinda Vane.  What a hoot.  Jonny was tenderly
drawn
> as a special little fellow with a big concern.  Thanks for one more story
to
> print up for my extra special archives.
>                                         Laurie

Mandy, Sandy.  It doesn't matter.  Your words are such a warm embrace on
a day I really needed it that I can't be concerned about my name. The
sentiments are what matter. (Oh, I like Jonny too -- I think more than
Lois and Clark.)

Thanks so much, Laurie.

Sandy  (By the way, it's "Little Man, Super." <g>)
smcdermin@erols.com
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Irene,

I too loved your story and stayed up late to read it.  I am a total lurker,
but decided to come out of hiding to let you know, and ask for a new story!

The story I'd love to see, because I privately wondered about it, would be
about Lee's childhood.  I'd love to see you explore her relationship with
grandpa Clark, and her feelings of alienation, and also see this
relationship from Lois and Clark's point of view, since they already know
Lee as an adult from the past.  Would they have deliberately distanced
themselves from her during her childhood because of that, and contributed to
her feelings of loneliness?  I was wondering about that as I read your very
well written and enjoyable story.

Angela Zavila

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic
> [mailto:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU]On Behalf Of Kate Crane
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 6:05 PM
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>
>
> In a message dated 4/1/99 5:29:22 PM EST, smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
> << But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>
>
> No imagination needed <g>, just rewatch the Lex Files
> episodes.....Superman
> meets Dr Klein outside to ask about the possibility of producing
> a child with
> an earth woman.  Dr. Klein is sitting on his motorcycle.
> I thought this was a great reminder of what a lovable character
> Dr Klein was.
>  Many thanks, Irene for a heartwarming story.   I was very
> intrigued by the
> character interaction, and plotline.
> How about a story about the twins growing up?
> Kate
>
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Hi Everyone,

Now that Spring Breal and skip week are over, we hope you can join us week
for our regular fanfic writing session, on Saturday April 3, 1999. This
week's premise:

Lois and Clark decide to spend a few quiet days in Smallville. But their
vacation turns out to be anything but peaceful when Sheriff Rachel Harris
asks for the help of our dynamic duo ;).

We would still like to hear from you if you have any story premises of your
own that you would like us to explore together.  You can either email them
to
me at:

        eraygun@aol.com

Or better still, just bring your ideas with you when you join us this
Saturday or for our weekly "story bouncing" sessions on Wednesdays
on#L&CFicOrg, starting around 9:00 PM EDT.

We generally meet Saturdays starting at 3 PM EDT and try to start writing
fairly soon thereafter.  You can come and join the fun at any time, however.
We are usually there for several hours since writing a story takes time.

Since #L&CFanfic is on occasion "invite only" please message if you want to
join us.  If an official "inviter" is designated, we will let you know.
Some
of us should be hanging out on #Loiscla.

A note on procedure here ;) : When people need to be caught up on the story
in
progress after being bounced off IRC or just joining the session late,
please
try and avoid pasting the story directly into the channel window.  Please do
that in a private message or dcc-chat window instead.

Hope to see you all there!

Cheers,

Eileen
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Date:         Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:49:55 -0600
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
Subject:      Sequels (was Re: combo: Firestorm, OKI fest...)
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At 5:07 PM -0500 4/2/99, PJ Piasecki wrote:

>Piper (who is still reeling from having someone else write a sequel to one
of
>her stories to......I believe the phrase was 'put things right'...or 'fix
the
>ending' or something like that)

This person did write you for permission, right, Piper?  When they first
submitted the story, I strongly advise they write you first, to at least
let you know it was being written.  I was told that they did that.

This is always such a tricky area.  My personal feeling is that an author
shouldn't write a sequel using another author's characters unless the first
author gives permission, but there are certainly exceptions.  It's such a
gray area.  Sigh.

Kathy

______________________
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kathyb@springnet1.com
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:01:27 -0500
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From:         "Demona (Angel Of The Night)" <nightangel@HOME.COM>
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At 11:49 PM 02/04/99 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote:
>This is always such a tricky area.  My personal feeling is that an author
>shouldn't write a sequel using another author's characters unless the first
>author gives permission, but there are certainly exceptions.  It's such a
>gray area.  Sigh.

I agree, I think it is a very difficult area.  On the one hand, there's a
certain 'unwritten' form of etiquette which suggests that one should ask
for permission to elaborate on another author's work, especially since most
fanfic authors know one another or at least are able to share
correspondence via this forum.

However by the same token, fanfiction's very nature is to take the creative
work/characters/ideas of other (albeit professional) sources and explore
these further.

So the question then becomes, should fanfiction be safeguarded from...
fanfiction? ;)

I won't presume to answer that one, but it does sort of force one to think
about the issue, doesn't it?

Take Care All
Demi
___________________________________________
Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/

"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')

I went to the doctor, I went to the mountain.
I looked to the children, I drank from the fountain.
There's more than one answer to these questions,
pointing me in a crooked line.
The less I seek my source for some definitive
The closer I am to fine.
                - Indigo Girls
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:15:17 EST
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In a message dated 99-03-31 07:59:48 EST, you write:

<< For example, in the first half of Mxysplit >>

Is this fanfic released yet?  Because you have me hooked just with the few
examples you used!!! I would love to read it if it is out in cyberspace
somewhere! ;)

Alexis ;-.)
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:11:04 -0800
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From:         Eileen Barnard <eileen@BARNARD70.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
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Hello Everyone

A few days ago I read an obituary notice in The Independent newspaper =
(UK) about an actor called Kirk Alyn.  I don't think many of you will =
remember, but he played Superman between 1948 and I think, 1950.  He was =
the first screen Superman playing mostly to Saturday afternoon =
children's matinees.  Kirk Alyn and Noel Neil (who played Lois Lane) =
were cast as Lois Lane's parents in the Superman film starring =
Christopher Reeve, but the scenes were cut from the final version.  The =
scene was recently reintroduced to the television prints of the film but =
I haven't seen that version - maybe some of you have.

What interested me and worried me slightly, was that the notice went on =
to mention something called 'The curse of Superman', mentioning that =
after playing the role, Alyn never worked again (apart from a few cameo =
roles).  It also mentioned George Reeves, Alyn's successor having killed =
himself and of course Christopher Reeves, who was paralysed in that =
awful riding accident.

Do any of you have any comments on this as I had never heard of this so =
called curse - maybe because I don't often read the entertainment =
section of the newspaper and I hardly watch any television.

Kind regards
Eileen B
eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk

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notice in The=20
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don't think=20
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think,=20
1950.&nbsp; He was the first screen Superman playing mostly to Saturday=20
afternoon children's matinees.&nbsp; Kirk Alyn and Noel Neil (who played =
Lois=20
Lane) were cast as Lois Lane's parents in the Superman film starring =
Christopher=20
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was=20
recently reintroduced to the television prints of the film but I haven't =
seen=20
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slightly, was=20
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Superman',=20
mentioning that after playing the role, Alyn never worked again (apart =
>from a=20
few cameo roles).&nbsp; It also mentioned George Reeves, Alyn's =
successor having=20
killed himself and of course Christopher Reeves, who was paralysed in =
that awful=20
riding accident.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Do any of you have any comments on =
this as I had=20
never heard of this so called curse - maybe because I don't often read =
the=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Kind regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Eileen B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk">eileen@barnard70.freeser=
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To all=20

I wrote to the UK list to offer some Lois and Clark books that I have to =
get rid of for space reasons.  The books are 'Exile' 'Heat Wave' 'Deadly =
Games' - all by M J Friedman and in paperback and 'Lois & Clark a =
Superman Novel' by C J Cherryh in hardback with the original dust sheet. =
=20

It occurred to me that nobody took me up on my offer because of having =
to give out their private address and I can understand that.  However, I =
am willing to send them to a receiving or Post Office address if that if =
preferred but I'm afraid that it will have to be within the UK of the =
European Union, as the postage could be quite high otherwise.  Please =
EMail me privately if you are interested and let me assure you that I =
will never divulge your address to anybody else and will destroy it as =
soon as the books are despatched.

If anybody is interested I will be able to mail them on Tuesday of next =
week, after the Easter break.

I don't just want to throw these books out and would rather they went to =
someone who would appreciate them.

Let me know if you are interested but I am afraid that it will have to =
be first come, first served.

A Happy Easter to everybody.

Kind regards
Eileen B
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I wrote to the UK list to offer some =
Lois and=20
Clark books that I have to get rid of for space reasons.&nbsp; The books =
are=20
'Exile' 'Heat Wave' 'Deadly Games' - all by M J Friedman and in =
paperback and=20
'Lois &amp; Clark a Superman Novel' by C J Cherryh in hardback with the =
original=20
dust sheet.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>It occurred to me that nobody took =
me up on my=20
offer because of having to give out their private address and I can =
understand=20
that.&nbsp; However, I am willing to send them to a receiving or Post =
Office=20
address if that if preferred but I'm afraid that it will have to be =
within the=20
UK of the European Union, as the postage could be quite high =
otherwise.&nbsp;=20
Please EMail me privately if you are interested and let me assure you =
that I=20
will never divulge your address to anybody else and will destroy it as =
soon as=20
the books are despatched.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If anybody is interested I will be able to mail them =
on=20
Tuesday of next week, after the Easter break.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I don't just want to throw these =
books out and=20
would rather they went to someone who would appreciate =
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Let me know if you are interested =
but I am=20
afraid that it will have to be first come, first served.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A Happy Easter to everybody.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Kind regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Eileen B</FONT></DIV>
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:21:52 -0500
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At 03:15 AM 4/3/99 EST, No Name Available wrote:
><< For example, in the first half of Mxysplit >>
>
>Is this fanfic released yet?

Yes, it's on the fanfic archive under Sheila Harper at
http://lcfanfic.actwd.com
or you can find it on Anne's little corner of teh world at
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm

Sheila
sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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In a message dated 4/3/99 5:06:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
eileen@BARNARD70.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< What interested me and worried me slightly, was that the notice went on
to
mention something called 'The curse of Superman', mentioning that after
playing the role, Alyn never worked again (apart from a few cameo roles).
It
also mentioned George Reeves, Alyn's successor having killed himself and of
course Christopher Reeves, who was paralysed in that awful riding accident.
>>

Well, this is essentially the "Curse of Superman"as anyone knows it.  All of
the above-mentioned actors, having played Superman, were quite unsuccessful
as actors afterwards, either because no one wanted to hire them thinking
they
had been type-cast as Superman, or because no one wanted to hire them
because
they had not shown much depth or range as actors in the roles as written for
them.  I don't believe that any of them had been around a long time before
landing the role of Superman.

 Having recently rented one of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies to
compare to the TV show, I felt that  his acting was stilted and stiff.
(Maybe this is why people frequently compare Al Gore to him in the US.)  I
distinctly remember reading that Dean Cain might be facing the same curse,
although with three movies in production this spring, he may be shaking it.
At the same time, IMHO, he is a much better actor than any of the others to
play Superman, and the role as written in Lois  & Clark allowed him to show
his abilities more than any of his predecessors had.

Ann
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:10:59 PST
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Before I start addressing some of the excellent constructive criticism
that I received for my story, let me start by telling everyone how
gratifying it has been to receive such praise.  I am thrilled and I
haven't stopped grinning from ear to ear for a few days.  I never, ever
imagined receiving this volume of feedback.

That said, I'd like to address the main criticism - that Lee is far too
young to be a doctor.

After reading all the posts about this (both to the list and to me
privately),  I have to agree that this needs to be changed slightly. I
will be rewriting this to reflect that, although Lee is academically
brilliant (intelligence inherited from Dr. Klein), she has not yet done
the clinical work required.  However, I do plan on making it clear that
her knowledge of her subject is superlative and that it is just her age
holding her back.

A number of people also wrote me to say that I shouldn't change
anything, that this is my decision and no one else's how the story
flows, but I want to change this as I don't want anything to interfere
with the flow of the story that could distract the reader.  I can't
remember who said it and I am going to paraphrase but someone once said
something along these lines that I agree with totally.  When a person
reads, they are suspending their "disbelief" and the main task of the
author is to make sure that nothing occurs in the story that will jar
them from that suspension of "disbelief".

It is obvious to me that the above point is exactly what I don't want -
Lee's age and degree (or lack thereof) is enough to distract many of you
>from the rest of the story.

I am very grateful.  This is *exactly* the kind of feedback that I was
looking for when I posted the story to the list.  Thank you everyone for
providing such excellent feedback.

All the best,
Irene
sirenegold@hotmail.com
sirengold on IRC
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:48:26 -0500
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>> and this is why Lee graduated at such a young age! <<

You could also make Lee a couple of years older, couldn't you?

>> I took it the other way. She was so uncomfortable with who she was
and how she didn't "fit in" that she academically fast-tracked herself. <=
<

That was how I took it, too. Like Clark, her powers made her feel like an=

outsider. Her way of dealing with that was to immerse herself in her
studies, whereas Clark travelled the globe in search of a place he could
call home. He always yearned to fit in, and I didn't get that feeling abo=
ut
Lee.

I'd love to read about Lee and Jimmy's further adventures. Irene said tha=
t
Herb was "uncle" to generations of Superman descendents, that it was his
"job" to protect them throughout the timeline, and that he was handing th=
is
responsibility over to Jimmy Olsen because he was ready to retire. Think =
of
the possibilities!

Sarah
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:47:11 PST
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>>> and this is why Lee graduated at such a young age! <<
>
>You could also make Lee a couple of years older, couldn't you?

Thanks for the suggestion, Sarah.  Actually, I want to keep Lee as a
very naive (in social situations) twenty year old - someone who hasn't a
clue how to handle herself outside of school or outside a job.
>
>>> I took it the other way. She was so uncomfortable with who she was
>and how she didn't "fit in" that she academically fast-tracked herself.
<<
>
>That was how I took it, too. Like Clark, her powers made her feel like
an
>outsider. Her way of dealing with that was to immerse herself in her
>studies, whereas Clark travelled the globe in search of a place he
could
>call home. He always yearned to fit in, and I didn't get that feeling
about
>Lee.

Hopefully, people will realize that at the beginning of the story, Lee
is convinced that she will never fit in - except with her Gramps.
>
>I'd love to read about Lee and Jimmy's further adventures. Irene said
that
>Herb was "uncle" to generations of Superman descendents, that it was
his
>"job" to protect them throughout the timeline, and that he was handing
this
>responsibility over to Jimmy Olsen because he was ready to retire.
Think of
>the possibilities!
>
>Sarah

Thanks for the suggestio