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Hey everyone!

So now that the voting section of the Kerth Awards has ended, we can look
forward to the next--and biggest!!--part of the Kerth Awards:  THE CEREMONY!
Are you all planning on attending the Kerth Awards ceremony this coming
Saturday, March 27th?  I hope so!  A lot of work has gone into this year's
Lois & Clark Fanfic Kerth Awards, and the ceremony is going to be the most
fun part of it all!

For those of you who are planning to attend, make sure to download the
sounds (wavs) that are going to be played during the ceremony by our very
own Kerths Wav Jockey, Anne Ciotola!  <hi Anne!>

As for where to get these wavs, all of them are available on Chris
Patterson's website:  http://www.ixpres.com/chrispat/kerthwav/kerthwav.html
Many, MANY thanks to Chris for putting all these wavs up on her site for
everyone to download.  Thanks Chris!  ;) I'll also be posting this URL on my
Kerths webpage in case you forget.  My Kerths webpage URL is in my sig
below.

Now, I need to send out a special thank you to everyone who voted!  I just
finished tabulating the votes a few minutes ago, and I was thrilled to see a
grand total of *147* ballots!!!!  Way to go, guys!!  This year's Kerth
Awards has already been a great success because of your participation, so we
can't thank you enough.  ;)

Now, I'm going to go get some sleep. <g> And PLEASE do not send me any more
votes!  I may keel over if I see even *one* more vote in my email box.
<vbg>

I hope to see you all at the ceremony this weekend!

Erin  :)
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Date:         Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:01:38 +0000
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From:         Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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A short language question for you US FOLCS:

This is something which has always puzzled me...
>
> "Clark, what do you mean you're "taking me out of here"? I lay on that cot
> every single night [snip]

What exactly does 'cot' mean in America? Over here it is a small bed
with high rails around it in which babies are placed to sleep! I find
it hard to picture that for adults...

Would be grateful for enlightenment,

Wendy
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In a message dated 99-03-22 06:02:38 EST, you write:

<< What exactly does 'cot' mean in America? Over here it is a small bed
 with high rails around it in which babies are placed to sleep! I find
 it hard to picture that for adults... >>

In America, 'cot' is a fold up bed. Something like a fold up chair or
'director's chair'.
It's essentially a blanket or other heavy material attached to a framework
of
wood or metal. You lay in it like a hammock.

budmayes@aol.com
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From:         Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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Thanks for the couple of very swift replies I've had to my query
about the meaning of 'cot'.

It sounds like it's applied to a number of different types of
sleeping facility, whcih over here would be called a Z-bed (that's
pronounced ZED-bed <g>), a fold-up bed, a day-bed, or even just a bed
depending how permanent a structure (regardless of comfort!) it was.
A bed in a prison cell would be... a bed.  Or a bunk, in shared cells
with bunk-beds.

Oh well, I'll just have to remember not to use the term 'cot' to
refer to a baby's bed in fanfic! What do babies sleep in, then? I
know there are cradles and Moses baskets, but to us they are for very
small babies, while cots (with the high sides) are for up to 2 - 3
years old.

Wendy
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In a message dated 99-03-22 07:32:52 EST, you write:

<< What do babies sleep in, then? >>

cribs is what you are describing with the high sides.

--Laurie
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In a message dated 99-03-22 07:32:52 EST, you write:

<< What do babies sleep in, then? I
 know there are cradles and Moses baskets, but to us they are for very
 small babies, while cots (with the high sides) are for up to 2 - 3
 years old. >>

Her in America, babies and up to 2-3 yr olds sleep in cribs, the beds with
high sides.

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On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:33:53 EST No Name Available
<Larus2407@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> << What do babies sleep in, then? >>
>
> cribs is what you are describing with the high sides.

AHA!! Thanks, Laurie. The term 'crib' is rarely used over here, but
would be most commonly understood as the 'manger' in a Nativity scene.
I've just checked the OED and seen that it is an accepted alternative
to 'cot'.

Wendy
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Date:         Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:46:31 +0000
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When Lois is busy doing aerobics in WHALTTA, he was distracted by the
Churches so he couldn't help her. Remember Clark's comment?

"There was an explosion (? I think?) in Philadelphia. Your point is?"

Okay, I may have got the location wrong, but he was definitely out of
town! He also went to London in TPvLL to stop what he believed was a
nuclear bomb.

Wendy

On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:15:51 EST No Name Available
<Larus2407@AOL.COM> wrote:

> In a message dated 99-03-20 23:11:27 EST, smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
> << Am I wrong or is there an ep where Superman leaves Metropolis for any
>  disaster, mudslides/earthquakes.  I am convinced that all his heroics
>  was in Metropolis. >>
>
> Well, in DTOSC, he went to help after an earthquake in China.
>
> --Laurie

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Hi Eileen,

I had that as well - it's part of the 'Waving Cape' screen-saver and
theme pack, available from Erin Klingler's site. Don't have the URL
to hand at the moment, but if you can't find it email me and I'll
hunt it out.

Wendy

On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:05:53 -0800 Eileen Barnard
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> Subject: L&C Downloads
> Starfire wrote :
>
>
> >This may be a little off-topic but a few weeks ago, I downloaded some
> >L&C thing from the internet.  I didn't really realize what it was until
> >I had done it, and it is sort of hard to explain.  Basically, when I
> >start-up and shut-down my computer, pictures of Lois and Clark show up
> >as part of the start-up/shut-down sequence.
>
> The same thing happened to me when I downloaded some L&C things from the
> net.  I am afraid to say that I really don't know how I got them and they
> disappeared from my PC one day as quickly as they had come - weird eh?
>
> I would be grateful if any of you FOLCs out there can shed some light on
> this - not that I mind piccis of L&C but I just wish I knew where to get
> them back from!
>
> Regards
> Eileen B
> eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk
>
> PS In my last mail message entitled An Alternative Beginning - I must
> apologise for the spelling mistakes - I have had a bad arm and am using
one
> finger of my left hand (I am right handed), so please bear with me for a
> while.

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Claude Salaud has a certain ring to it.  "Salaud" means "bastard," and
*that* is a truth about him.
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A baby would sleep in a bassinett as an infant, and then a crib.  A crib is
the
structure that has walls.
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A cot is a small piece of furniture, and I use that term loosely, that
somewhat
resembles a bed.  However, a bed is usually large, and has a nice comfy
matress.
A cot is small and hard.  A bed ususally has a box spring and a matress.  A
cot
will only have a matress.
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Thanks Christina.  In which language?  Someone else sent me a different word
that means the same thing.  Just curious.
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1)  A relevation:  Superman tells Lois he's really Clark in the balcony
scene in BATP.

2)  James Olsen, Ownwer of the Daily Planet gets switched with Jimmy
Olsen, photographer/gofer for the Daily Planet.  It occured to me that
non one was that much different from their counterpart.  Perry was the
Mayor, but he was still Perry.  He had been the Editor of the Planet,
and he loves Elvis so how much more Perry can you get?  But Jimmy is
very different.  Nothing save the fact that he's a "good guy" is the
same between the two worlds.  It would wreck total mahem on both their
lives, if, by some freak accident, the Owner found himself the
photographer, and the photographer found himself the owner.  Our Jimmy
would probably find out that CK=S, for that fact that in the ALT world,
everyone knows.

3) So far you've had Lois Lane as Ultra Woman, that guy from Tenessee as
Resplendant Man, that little boy in "Chip off the Old Clark", and in a
fanfic, even Jimmy got the powers as X.  It would be neat if someone
could give the powers to Perry, maybe make an Elvis Man?

Christina
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It's French.

>
>Thanks Christina.  In which language?  Someone else sent me a different
word
>that means the same thing.  Just curious.

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These are great ideas Christina.  If I wasn't working on three other
projects
right now, I'd jump on it.  I'll save them on my ideas page, unless someone
else
wants to de them.  HINT HINT
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In a message dated 3/19/99 8:15:32 AM !!!First Boot!!!, NKWolke@T-ONLINE.DE
writes:

<< IMHO, far too many people believe that we have all of our
 'fun' getting *to* the point of 'together' and then have none left for the
 ever-after portion of our lives.<<<

 You know that is exactly what I started to ask myself, too. Maybe it would
be
 interesting to ask how many of the "fourth-season-lovers" are married for a
long
 time (I'm married for almost eight years) or if they're not, if they dream
about
 the "life after the wedding" rather than about the "way to get to this
point"? >>

Actually, I was married for 30+ years before being widowed.  And I love all
4
seasons of LnC.  I have wonderful and sometimes painful memories of my
marriage from the first meeting with my future spouse through raising
children
until the end so maybe that is why I love it all.

Charlotte - who is writing a Lois and Clark Engaged piece of fanfiction
because she remembers what it was like to meet someone and wonder if it was
going to work out and then the joy of it doing so.
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I wanted to send this out, particularly to the author of a new fanfic
just posted on March 21, 1999.  Although the author had stated that she
did not want to insult anyone with her choice of villians, I was unable
to stop myself from getting slightly mad.  I just don't find it fair
that any group of people get constantly used as any media's "terrosits"
and I find that Arabs are usually the ones that are usually used to play
that role.  Now I know that the media tends to show them as rich,
violent people, and I couldn't even read the entire story after I saw
that that was exactly how they were protrayed.  The last sentence even
sums it all up with "the Arab" is sent to jail.  I always see a trend of
using the stereotypical theme of Arab equals terrorist and I know for a
fact that that isn't true.  I don't mean to greatly upset anyone or be
seen as some radical, but it just makes me angry and I feel like I tell,
at least the author, my view about this.
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>From: Joy N Sowell <jsowell@METLIFE.COM>
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>Subject: Claude's last name
>Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:03:03 -0500
>
>Hi everyone.  Does anyone have any suggestions for Claude's last name?
Someone
>had a fanfic idea on the afolcslife list, and I'm co-writing a fanfic
for that
>reason.  Please, any idea would be good.  You can send it to the list,
or to me
>privately.  So far, as a default, I'm using Claude LeShmuck.  I figured
that he
>was a shmuck for totally dissing Lois, and the "Le" adds a French
flair.  i had
>five years of Spanish, but no French, so I'm at a loss as to what is
politically
>correct.  Thanks!!  JOY:)
>

Claude LeShmuck sounds good to me :)
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>From MR. D8A's work email

The term "Shmuck" is an incredibly bad and crude term of Jewish origin.  If
I remember correctly it is originated with what is thrown away after a baby
boy is circumcised.  I know that my wife would find it in very poor taste if
that was used as someones name.

I would recommend Claude Sangfroid which loosely translates as Cold Blooded.
Just a observation and a suggestion.

James the ever cautious one.

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>From: Joy N Sowell <jsowell@METLIFE.COM>
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>Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:03:03 -0500
>
>Hi everyone.  Does anyone have any suggestions for Claude's last name?
Someone
>had a fanfic idea on the afolcslife list, and I'm co-writing a fanfic
for that
>reason.  Please, any idea would be good.  You can send it to the list,
or to me
>privately.  So far, as a default, I'm using Claude LeShmuck.  I figured
that he
>was a shmuck for totally dissing Lois, and the "Le" adds a French
flair.  i had
>five years of Spanish, but no French, so I'm at a loss as to what is
politically
>correct.  Thanks!!  JOY:)
>

Claude LeShmuck sounds good to me :)
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Schmuck means "penis," as does the word "putz."  Speaking from a Jewish
perspective, I don't know if I would think that seeing either term used as a
last name (and I have in real life!) was in bad taste, as much as I would
find it amusing, and it would make me laugh.  One of my cousins was married
to a man whose last name was Putzcamp and the whole family (all 50 of us)
used to giggle about it (how mature, right?). I also get a kick out of
telling my non-Jewish friends, after they've said things like "oh, I putzed
around all weekend," exactly what they were saying.......<eg>

P.S. (the piece that's thrown away we just call the foreskin - sorry, I'll
be quiet now!)

Vicki (who will be glad to answer any Jewish-related questions when she
can...and if she knows the answer!)
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                From:   Tull, James [CORP/STL] [mailto:James.Tull@EMRSN.COM]
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                From MR. D8A's work email

                The term "Shmuck" is an incredibly bad and crude term of
Jewish origin.  If
                I remember correctly it is originated with what is thrown
away after a baby
                boy is circumcised.  I know that my wife would find it in
very poor taste if
                that was used as someones name.

                I would recommend Claude Sangfroid which loosely translates
as Cold Blooded.
                Just a observation and a suggestion.

                James the ever cautious one.

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                >From: Joy N Sowell <jsowell@METLIFE.COM>
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                >Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:03:03 -0500
                >
                >Hi everyone.  Does anyone have any suggestions for Claude's
last name?
                Someone
                >had a fanfic idea on the afolcslife list, and I'm
co-writing a fanfic
                for that
                >reason.  Please, any idea would be good.  You can send it
to the list,
                or to me
                >privately.  So far, as a default, I'm using Claude
LeShmuck.  I figured
                that he
                >was a shmuck for totally dissing Lois, and the "Le" adds a
French
                flair.  i had
                >five years of Spanish, but no French, so I'm at a loss as
to what is
                politically
                >correct.  Thanks!!  JOY:)
                >

                Claude LeShmuck sounds good to me :)
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... and here is part two.

Chris

Counting the Ways
Part two

He had tried to tell her his secret subsequently, but somehow he had
always failed to get the words out, scared of how she might react.  No
longer worrying about his otherness, he instead fretted about how she
would react to the realisation that he had lied to her for nigh on two
years.

Ruefully, he reflected that he had been right to be worried.

He had almost told her about himself when she had chosen to risk her
life to save the lives of his parents.  With hindsight, he wished that
he had.

Instead, she had guessed his secret on her own, and had felt betrayed
that he had asked her to marry him, without giving her the chance to
get to know who he really was first. Her anger and sense of betrayal
was, he realised now, understandable, but, at the time, all he had
felt was hurt at her rejection of his proposal.

It took time, but they began to sort things out.  Then, just when they
had almost recovered the ground that they had lost, he had wounded her
again.  He shied away from the painful memory.  What had he been
thinking of, telling her that he loved her too much for them to be
together?  It had damaged her faith in him, and had only served to
hurt them both.

All those arguments.

All those misunderstandings.

Yet, somehow, they had managed to reach this moment.

Precious things could take root and flourish in the most unlikely
places, he thought, like flowers growing on bombsites, or carpeting
barren land after rain.  He thought about flying over the Sonoran
Desert in the spring, when the ground was transformed by the
ephemerals into a riot of colour and beauty.

Perhaps that was what their love was like - something rare and
precious, yet with the strength to not merely endure, but to flourish
in the harshest of conditions.  It had, after all, triumphed and
grown, despite all the obstacles they had placed in its way.  He
promised himself that, if the metaphor had any value, he would keep
the desert well irrigated from now on.  The fruits of their love would
not be allowed to fall and rest unseen in the dry earth.

One day, he promised himself, he would take Lois to see the desert
bloom.

Lois, who had been put on hold, glanced across at him, waggling her
eyebrows, comically conveying her exasperation at her current lack of
progress.  They smiled at each other as, for a moment, their eyes
locked and the world around them ceased to exist.

He loved her, body and soul.  He loved the way she filled his senses,
the way her hair moved, the faint scent of her, the whisper of her
skin as she brushed her hands together as she continued to toy with
the ring, the sound of her heartbeat. . .

He could not begin to count the ways he loved her.

He watched as she twiddled with her ring, posing her hand under the
lamp to admire it better.  As the light reflected off the individual
facets of the diamond, so did his love reflect off the many facets of
her personality, a jewel that was to him a million times more perfect
than any mere rock he could have bought her.

How had he got so lucky, he wondered, as to have her by his side?

An alarm and several frantic cries for help intruded on his thoughts.
Abruptly torn from his contemplation of beauty personified, Clark's
head lifted in a move that Lois had once likened to a bird on the
alert.  And, just like a startled bird, his action would almost
inevitably be followed by flight.

Attuned to him, Lois somehow sensed his movement without needing to
see it.  She looked at him, her face a silent question.

He glanced around nervously, checking that nobody was watching, then
made a discreet gesture with his hand.

She understood, of course.  She nodded an acknowledgement and mouthed,
"I'll cover."

As he rose from his chair, his hand reaching for the knot of his tie,
he wondered for the umpteenth time about her readiness to lie for him.
 Even after all the hurt his excuses had caused her, she was willing
to protect him with her own.  Was this, he wondered, simply a
contradiction in Lois's complex personality, or was this the ultimate
form of forgiveness for his past actions.

He did not know.

All he knew was that he loved that about her, too.

END

Well, that's it!  (I've been playing around with the idea
of writing a mirror piece, too.  In other words, what is Lois
thinking at the same time?  However, getting her thoughts sorted out
isn't very easy.  Do you think I should try or leave well enough
alone?)
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Hi everyone

Three kind people have taken a look at my vignette, and they said
such nice things about it that I decided to take the plunge and post
it to the list.  (Thanks guys!  You know who you are.)  Thanks also
to the people who answered my query about lengths of posts.

I've split this vignette into two pieces, preferring to err on the
side of caution.  However, the split is entirely artificial: it was
written as one continuous piece.

Continuity-wise, this takes place the morning after Ultra Woman.  No
plot, no angst, just unmitigated fluff.  This is not my usual kind of
tale at all, but half the fun of writing it was simply to see if I
could. . .

COUNTING THE WAYS
A Lois and Clark vignette
By Christine Carr

******
How do I love thee?  Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of being and ideal grace.
(Elizabeth Barrett Browning, 1806-61)
******

It had not been an easy road to travel, but somehow Lois and Clark had
reached their destination, a place called Happiness.  Their souls
cried out with the joy of being together.  Having found one another,
they defied any force to split them asunder.

In other words, they loved each other very much.

A smile played around the corners of Clark Kent's mouth as he
surreptitiously watched his fianc=E9e work.

Fianc=E9e, he thought.  It was a beautiful word, perhaps the most
beautiful word in the English language.  It was almost as beautiful as
she was.

Lois had the telephone balanced precariously between her shoulder and
ear as she scribbled notes rapidly with one hand and gesticulated
madly with the other. Amused and delighted, he noticed a pattern to
her movements.  Her gestures could not be accounted for solely by the
excitement engendered by her story.  Rather, she was playing, ensuring
that her new ring was being shown off to its best advantage, moving
her hand so that the diamond glittered in the light of her desk lamp.
It gratified him to know that seeing the ring on her finger gave her
as much pleasure as it did him.

Still, she was not letting her joy distract her completely from the
task in hand.  Her face was alive with excitement as she badgered her
source for more information.  Even if Clark had not been able to
eavesdrop on her conversation, her body language would have told him
that she had stumbled upon a major story.  She was, he could tell,
enjoying herself.

He loved that about her.  Her tenaciousness, her zeal and her
enthusiasm.  They had been some of the first things he had noticed
about her, back when they had met.

His smile broadened at a memory.  In his mind's eye he saw her burst
uninvited into Perry's office as he was being interviewed.  She had
barely seen him then, much less noticed him, so caught up was she in
her story.  But he had seen her, and that had been enough.

Was that when he had fallen in love with her?  Certainly the
attraction had been instantaneous, and he had been intrigued by the
small dynamo with whom he had subsequently been assigned to work.

As she jabbed at the telephone's cradle to clear the line for her next
call, she glanced across at him and mouthed, low enough that no-one
else would guess that she was talking to him, but loud enough that he
could hear, "Quit staring at me and get on with your work, Kent!" and
she laughed at him as she looked away again.

He picked up his own phone and tried to do as she commanded, but he
found it impossible to concentrate.  Over and over again his mind
replayed the scene from last night when she had asked him to marry
her.

She had asked him to marry her!

It was the final proof, if any had been needed, that she had managed
to reconcile both halves of his personality, the superhero and the
reporter, Kal-El of Krypton and Clark Kent of Kansas.  He was more
grateful for that than any words could ever express.

He thought back over the last few years.  There had been a time when,
if he had been asked,  he would have said that he had loved her right
>from the moment he first set eyes on her.  But he had recently come to
realise that what he had felt at that time was but a pale imitation of
the deep soul-bonding love he now knew.

When had his feelings for her begun to deepen, to broaden, to consume
him?

He guessed the process had started in the early days, just after he
had created Superman, though it had happened so gradually that he
could pinpoint no one time or event and say, it happened then.  That
was the moment.

In the earliest weeks of their acquaintance, her obsession with the
hero had been galling, but it had been intoxicating, too. Clark had
spent most of his life fearing discovery, worrying about how others
would react to his differences, trying as best he could to blend in.
Through Lois, however, he had discovered a confidence he had never
known.  She had embraced his alienness in a way that he had never
before dreamed possible.

Moreover, she had given him the strength to continue in his role as
Superman when he had most needed it.  When he had doubted himself,
Lois had offered encouragement, not knowing to whom she was speaking.
She had saved Superman on more than one occasion, through both her
words and deeds, her belief in the hero remaining unshakeable when
others wavered and turned away from him.  How could he not love her
for that?

He had wanted her to love Clark Kent, though, not some mysterious
creation who barely existed beyond his own imagination.  It was, he
had feared, Lois's fantasies that had imbued the hero with a life of
his own in her mind.  After all, she did not really know him.  It was
not fair - it was not right - that Lois should love the hero and not
the man, when they were one and the same.  When, in the midst of the
whole fiasco with Luthor, she had told Superman that she would have
loved him if he were an ordinary man, he had not believed her.

He had not wanted her to have feelings for Superman, only for Clark.

It was, surprisingly, Mayson Drake who had made him wonder whether he
was wrong to want that so very much.  Mayson had loved him as he
wanted Lois to love him, for the person he was in his every day life.
However, it had not felt right, not merely because Mayson was not the
woman for him, but because she did not love all of him, and he knew
that she never would.  Lois, he had realised then, could love the
alien inside of him, if only he had the courage to let her know that
it was there.

Finding the courage to tell her, though. . .  That was hard.

Maybe he would have told her sooner if he had not let his feelings of
guilt over Mayson's death get in the way of their deepening
relationship, or if Lois had not shown an interest in Agent Scardino.
Clark's insecurities had prevented him from seeing that it was his
double life that was driving a wedge between them, and that, in her
eyes, Scardino was but a poor substitute for himself.   He had not
felt able to take the chance of confiding in Lois if she did not love
him enough to be with him, but it was the very confidence he was
withholding that held the key to unlocking the love he sought.

It was Lois who had finally resolved the impasse that their
relationship then reached.  Coward that he was, he would have run
away, but she had gathered up all her courage and told him it was
Clark that she wanted to be with, and not Dan, or Superman.  There was
no doubt left in his mind then: he would have tell her about Superman,
but he had put off the inevitable, preferring to revel in the
sweetness of his triumph, for at least a little while.

end part one
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Picked up my copy of "Best Men" this morning and watched it.  WOW...Momma
Mia...... You'll like it!!!!!
        Brenda
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MR. D8Awrote:
>>><The term "Shmuck" is an incredibly bad and crude term of Jewish origin.
If
I remember correctly it is originated with what is thrown away after a baby
boy
is circumcised.  I know that my wife would find it in very poor taste if
that
was used as someones name.>>>>

Sorry.  I had no idea.  I thought it was just a slang word with a negative
connotation.  I'll keep that in mind.
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Viki wrote:
<<<<<Schmuck means "penis," as does the word "putz."  Speaking from a Jewish
perspective, I don't know if I would think that seeing either term used as a
last name (and I have in real life!) was in bad taste, as much as I would
find
it amusing, and it would  make me laugh.  One of my cousins was married to a
man
whose last name was Putzcamp and the whole family (all 50 of us) used to
giggle
about it (how mature, right?). I also get a kick out of telling my
non-Jewish
friends, after they've said things like "oh, I putzed around all weekend,"
exactly what they were saying . . .  <eg>>>>>

Sorry, no harm intended.  Like I said, I want some suggestions that will be
amusing, AND politically correct.  That was why I posted the question.
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Hello Wendy

Just to let you know that I've found the download and there it is large as
life on my desktop - complete with music and words.  I love the little
superman pointer - particularly the way he changes clothes when you are
waiting for a programme to open.

Regards
Eileen B
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Hey

Does anybody know is this is going to be released on video in the UK?  It
was on in our cinemas in the West End of London and a few selected cinemas
around the country but I was away on holiday when it was released and when I
got back it had been taken off.

I would be grateful for the info?

Regards
Eileen B
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No harm or offense taken, Joy. :-)

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                Viki wrote:
                <<<<<Schmuck means "penis," as does the word "putz."
Speaking from a Jewish
                perspective, I don't know if I would think that seeing
either term used as a
                last name (and I have in real life!) was in bad taste, as
much as I would find
                it amusing, and it would  make me laugh.  One of my cousins
was married to a man
                whose last name was Putzcamp and the whole family (all 50 of
us) used to giggle
                about it (how mature, right?). I also get a kick out of
telling my non-Jewish
                friends, after they've said things like "oh, I putzed around
all weekend,"
                exactly what they were saying . . .  <eg>>>>>

                Sorry, no harm intended.  Like I said, I want some
suggestions that will be
                amusing, AND politically correct.  That was why I posted the
question.
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You wrote:

>Does anyone know why Ching and Zara weren't affected by the Kryptonite
force field they used to test Clark?

I believe it is because they were brought up with it and they live under
a Red sun.  If I remember correctly I read somewhere that Only after
being in our yellow sun for a long time it could become dangerous to
them.  The Kryptonite on Krypton under the red sun helped keep the
Kryptonians healthy and alive.

If some has already replied to you sorry for the repeat.

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Hello,

There is a new Featured writer at the Writer's Showcase.  The URL
is.............
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html

I hope you all go and check out her interview.

Annie Lansbury
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Hey Folcs :-)

>>> The *law* and *justice* are not always one and the same.<<<

Thanks Zoom, for bringing it so wonderful to the point (as always <g>). I
remember another scene you didn't mention, in WWW. Superman says to
Constance
Hunter: "... I need someone who understands that justice is always about
truth."

Of course Superman's morality is influenced by the law-system in which he
was
raised, but I really think the highest instance controlling his actions is
always
his conscience. He knows Lois is innocent so he has to break her out. He
doesn't
hesitate, he doesn't feel bad about this decision and it's not simply
because
Superman happens to be in love with that woman adn doesn't want to live
without
her. He knows the truth and if the truth is against the law... so it be it.
For me it's *the* character trait that makes him the hero that he is. It's
not
his powers, it's his incorruptibility.

take care
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Hey Folcs :-)
hala yamout wrote:
>>>Although the author had stated that she did not want to insult anyone
with her
choice of villians, I was unable to stop myself from getting slightly mad.
I
just don't find it fair that any group of people get constantly used as any
media's "terrosits" and I find that Arabs are usually the ones that are
usually
used to play that role. <<<

Well hala, I know what you mean. Being a member of one of the "typical
gangster
ethnical group" myself I used to be mad that the only Germans on screen were
Nazis.

For example during Lois & Clark I wasn't even so mad about the episode
"Supermann" because the Nazis were "identified" as a groupe and not a
nation, but
I really hated "Heidi" in JSN and couldn't find her very funny. She ist just
so
clichee bad, blonde, dumb = german, that I felt hurt by her description.
(BTW in
the german version Heidi even sings another song while she is changing her
clothes, because in the original she sings the old Nazi anthem and I must
admit I
found that pretty tasteless and totally unnecessary myself.)

So I used to feel hurt, but to be honest after a while I realized that my
impression is not really true. If you look really closely you'll find a lot
of
other national stereotypes that are quite inviting to use if you want to
have bad
guy. Look' what we have here:

Nazis=Germans
Kidnappers=Americans
Mafiosi=Italians
Terrorists=Arabians
corrupt spies=Russians
vodoo magicians=Africans

I'm sure there're a lot more. I also would dare a lucky guess that in other
countries there're also other clichee-gangsters. In Europe we just watch a
lot
more american movies than other countrie's productions.

I'm sure though neither the writers of "JSN" or "Supermann" really think
that all
Germans are Nazis nor does the author of that fanfiction you described
really
think all Arabian people are terrorist. They just want to create a story,
put
Lois and Clark in special situation and watch what is happens from there.

So if the author wanted to write a story about Lois&Clark being in a hostage
situation, for example (I didn't read the story yet so I just have to guess)
she
probably thought: "Hm, hostage... that requires terrorists." Then she
probably
started to think about a reason for the terroristic act and with terrorists
it's
pretty simple. They usually have some political reason for their crime.
Be honest, if you start looking for political fatalism, you can't really use
countries like norway or suitzerland or austrian or whatever, because I
haven't
heard from norwegian/suisse or austrian seperatists in ages.
Hey adn after all, who from us really knows the political situations and
motivations from all places around the world? I sure don't! So what are the
political reasons you can use in a story without having studied them for
years in
college? Take terrorists from as far away as you can, provide them with the
vague
political conflict you mean to have heard about somewhere and yep: There's
you
terrorist from Arabia.

So don't take it too personal.I'm sure the author didn't mean to harm anyone
by
this.

take care
Nicole
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Elaine wrote:

>Does anybody know is this is going to be released on video in the UK?  It
>was on in our cinemas in the West End of London and a few selected cinemas
>around the country but I was away on holiday when it was released and when
I
>got back it had been taken off.
>
>I would be grateful for the info?
>
Eileen, are you talking about sell-thru or rental? BM was issued on rental
late last year, so you should still be able to pick up a copy at your local
video store. The last date I was given for sell thru was February of this
year, but I haven't heard any more. Again, your rental store would probably
have an idea.

LabRat :)
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By coincidence, it's available to buy on video from today in the UK,
although it has been available to hire since last October.

Recommended retail price is £12.99.

I picked up a copy today at HMV.

Mary

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>Hey
>
>Does anybody know is this is going to be released on video in the UK?  It
>was on in our cinemas in the West End of London and a few selected cinemas
>around the country but I was away on holiday when it was released and when
I
>got back it had been taken off.
>
>I would be grateful for the info?
>
>Regards
>Eileen B
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I just read the story in question, Suffer the Little Children, and I thought
it
was very well written.  It showed compassion, love, pain, hope, and a wide
range
of other emotions.  It is a long story, but CERTAINLY worth the hour or so
it
takes to read it.  I don't want to "spoil" anything, so I won't elaborate.
I
sincerely doubt that the author intended to put down any particular race or
religion.  However, that is just my humble opinion.
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I am replying to a reply about the message I sent called "About a new
story".  I never meant that the author of this fanfic was intentionally
trying to put down a race or religion.  What I did read from the story
sounded very good but I was discussing an ongoing trend in which this
problem occurs.  I am not trying attack the author for I am sure that
she did not mean anything by it and I realise that she apologized
beforehand.  It is just that this particular aspect of the story I have
seen in a lot of other works and I hoped that I would finally be able to
say something about it.
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Mary wrote:

>By coincidence, it's available to buy on video from today in the UK,
>although it has been available to hire since last October.
>
>Recommended retail price is £12.99.
>
>I picked up a copy today at HMV.
>
Mary - swarms of hugs and kisses!!! You made my evening. I *knew* that
birthday cash was burning a hole in my desk drawer for a reason. ;)

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Joy wrote:

>I just read the story in question, Suffer the Little Children, I [snip]
sincerely doubt that the author intended to put down any particular race or
>religion.  However, that is just my humble opinion.

I haven't yet read this story, so can't comment on the author's intentions -
although from the previous post of complaint, she certainly seems to have
done all she could to point up that she wasn't intending offence in her
foreword.

>From a strictly personal POV *I'm* always a little weary every time a
Scottish character appears in fanfic and immediately lapses into a Highland
brogue. Half the time I don't understand what any of them are talking about
any more than Lois or Clark do and just once I'd like them to come from
Edinburgh or Glasgow or......well, *anywhere* but the Shetlands basically.

*However*, that said - I really think (and I stress this is only *my*
opinion, but it's been long held over many years) that unless you can state
categorically that no Scot has ever spoken with a Highland brogue, or that
no Arab has ever been a terrorist or no German has ever been a Nazi, then
you can't reasonably complain if an author chooses that nationality and uses
it in that way.  Or any number of variations thereon. All nationalities are
subject to at least one form of stereotype - in that respect we're all in
the same boat. We can all be insulted - or we can all choose to accept that
even if 99% of our fellow countrymen don't fit the stereotype, there is
bound to be at least one in there that does. And who are we to say that it
wasn't that one that the author 'saw' before writing their story? I mean,
for all we readers know, the author in question has someone specific in mind
that they've actually met in Real Life and decided to use in their script or
fanfic.

Just a purely personal opinion from the keyboard of......

LabRat :)
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But then why were the New Kryptonians affected by the K-laced gass when
Superman and Nor were deuling?

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>
>You wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone know why Ching and Zara weren't affected by the Kryptonite
>force field they used to test Clark?
>
>
>I believe it is because they were brought up with it and they live
under
>a Red sun.  If I remember correctly I read somewhere that Only after
>being in our yellow sun for a long time it could become dangerous to
>them.  The Kryptonite on Krypton under the red sun helped keep the
>Kryptonians healthy and alive.
>
>If some has already replied to you sorry for the repeat.
>
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At 10:59 AM 3/21/1999 -0500, Joy N Sowell wrote:
        >Debby wrote:
        >Hmm, there's a story idea. CK & Lois (Smallville likes Lois, too)
visit
        >town and something happens that requires Superman and the town
helps CK be
        >Supes without CK having to change clothes... and CK has no idea
what's
        >going on. Maybe Lois gets an inkling...
        >
        >This would be a good chance for a writer to play around with
character
        >building.

>CAN I?  Please?  :)

Sure! I think ten people tackling a subject would come up with ten
different interpretations. Think how many 20 would come up with? The more
the better :)

The only thing I ask is... breathe life into your characters :) I sometimes
default to stereotypes, too... but I try to make that only in transient
characters we'll never see again. If we see them again, I try to make them
multidimensional :)

Debby
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Elaine wrote:

>Does anybody know is this is going to be released on video in the UK?

Another option would be to buy it off the Internet from a site such as
Amazon (www.amazon.com) or rent it from Reel (www.reel.com).

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I'm really glad somebody brought this up b/c I was going to and now I
can pursue this in clear conscience.

As I was awake in the middle fo the night last night I was thinking
about what Margaret said about Clark breaking the law. As I pondered it
in lieu of counting sheep, I came up with a semi-plausible reason for at
least some. I think it all boils down to the "greater good" that seems
to continually pop up in Lois and Clark's lives. For example, in ATAI,
yes, Clark *does* steal, but he's stealing to save lives. Loss of
property versus loss of life seems pretty obvious choicewise. I would
hope that if someone should give me the choice, I would sacrifice my
possessions to save somebody's life. Same thing in DLW. Yes, he's
breaking the law, but it's her *life* at stake. He *did* wait for
justice, but it failed him. Considering the way that the justice system
seemed to be working for her, it wasn't completely ridiculous to assume
that she would end up in the chair. So, he was acting both selfishly,
but also in the interest of her life. And as you read this, just
remember that this was middle of the night reasoning so be kind. <g>

Okay, on to another subject. I'm wondering about something that I'm
hoping someone, say Zoom or someone else, would be able to clear this up
for me. In SM, there's the scene where Lois and Clark are at her
computer looking up Russian records and she asks him if there are any
languages he doesn't know. He responds with this little quip about not
always understanding "you". Now, this seems like it could have been
planned to go somewhere. Does anybody know why this was thrown in there?
It's cute and all, but... Anyone? <g>

Thanks,
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I always thought of him as Claude the Clod!

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At 02:10 PM 3/20/1999 -0600, Kathy B wrote:

[snip good stuff to get to...]

>Kathy (who does admit to one correction, but it was an S3 error, not an S4
>-- most of us on S6 hated that Clark never beat Lex in the "argh"; Lex
>willingly gave Lois up to save her, which made him the hero.

Yes! Clark was only shown standing up to Deter, but it took a machine to
bring back Lois's memory, argh...

>Stay tuned to S6 to see if we ... correct that. ;))

By gosh, I better get reading!!!! ;)

Debby
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but only part of S6 ep01...
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At 03:31 PM 3/22/1999 -0800, Christina wrote:

>But then why were the New Kryptonians affected by the K-laced gass when
>Superman and Nor were deuling?

They were the bad guys.

Then again... why would anyone, even the nicer New Kryptonese, want to live
under a red sun when they could easily pick out a planet orbiting a warmer,
stronger, younger yellow star?

Hey, maybe they *did* live on such a planet (we never saw otherwise) but
that rocky planet didn't have any kryptonite on it. The NKers probably
wanted off it because the cable only offered 2 channels and one of them was
abc... (and the other public access...)

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Nicole,

I always felt that the reason marriage isn't portrayed
well in Hollywood has a lot to do with the people
making the product.  While there are some writers,
directors, actors, producers, etc. who are able to make
marriage work, it seems like a disproportionate amount
don't have a clue what marriage is about.  Perhaps if
some farmer from Kansas were to start writing for TV,
we'd start seeing more about what life is like for the
rest of the world.

I find very few examples of married life on the tube or
the big screen that I truly identify with.

By the way, my favorite seasons were 2 and 3.  I
couldn't stand Cat's sexual harrassment in season 1 and
I couldn't follow the changing time slot in season 4.

Elisabeth
--- NKWolke  wrote:
>
> I don't know, maybe I don't watch enough television,
> but *my* impression is that
> there really are no other "positively married
> couples" on TV except Lois and
> Clark. The only fairly positive images that come to
> my mind are sitcoms like "Mad
> about you". At least Paul and Jamie seem to be
pretty
> happy with each other,
> even if they don't fit in the same category like
Lois
> and Clark. The other
> married couples on TV are either desillusioned, old,
> stressed out, fighting or
> constantly having affairs, like in soap operas.
>
> There *are* sometimes people who actually seem to be
> happy in their relationship,
> but of course those people are only side-characters
> for their struggling kids on
> *their* way through the trials of finding true love.
> Or even worse, they are so
> noble and so "productive" that they have at least
100
> wonderful kids and sorry,
> but I can't really realte to that kind of
> realtionship either.
>
> On the other hand, there're are lot couples that are
> on their way to "being in
> love". Moonlightning, Silk Stalking, Tropical Heat
> and even the X-files are only
> a few examples (actually the only shows I know the
> original titles and not just
> the german one <g>). Obviously this kind of story is
> very popular and please, I
> don't mean it as an offense to the people who love
> these shows when I say: I
> can't see any more of this stuff.
>

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Debby wrote:
<Hey, maybe they *did* live on such a planet (we never saw otherwise) but
that rocky planet didn't have any kryptonite on it. The NKers probably
wanted off it because the cable only offered 2 channels and one of them was
abc... (and the other public access...)>

LOL!  And Tempus thought that *he* had it bad.
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Margaret,

Honestly, I like seasons 5 & 6 almost as much as I like
seasons 2 & 3.  My husbands always laughing at me
because I get the fanfic confused with the aired
episodes.  I don't have a visual memory, so it's all
the same to me.<G>

Elisabeth

--- Margaret Brignell  wrote:
> I *did* want to see "LoisandClark: the couple".  I
> just don't think it
> happened in season 4.
>
> Perhaps, deep down, most of the FoLC didn't either.
> Why else were there so
> many fifth season versions to "correct" what went
> wrong?
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> Margaret Brignell
> brignell@capitalnet.com
> Ottawa, Canada
>

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LOL!

My father was always yelling at me, "Get the lead out
of your pants and get over here."  I never thought
anyone would want lead in there pants.<bg>

Elisabeth

--- Debby  wrote:
> At 07:18 PM 3/19/1999 -0800, Christina Batouli
wrote:
> >Does anyone know why Ching and Zara weren't
affected
> by the Kryptonite
> >force field they used to test Clark?
>
> Lead undergarments?
>

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In a message dated 3/22/99 12:27:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
James.Tull@EMRSN.COM writes:

<< I would recommend Claude Sangfroid which loosely translates as Cold
Blooded
>>

I can see a problem with using Sangfroid for Claude's last name.  Sangfroid
is
a good thing--  while it literally means cold blood in French, it refers to
the quality of staying cool and under control during all sorts of stress,
fire, etc. and is, if anything, a compliment.  I'm not sure anyone wants to
compliment Claude.

On the other hand, if you want to steer clear of vulgarity ( and Salaud,
which
was on another post is vulgar ), then you could use  LeVoleur, which means
the
Thief, since he stole Lois's story.

Ann   ( who has spent the last three days grading French compositions and
can
barely see straight any more )
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>> Debby@swcp.com
who has indeed read both S5 & TUFS
but only part of S6 ep01... <<

Ack! (speaks the author of S6 ep01) I've bored you, so you quit
reading... terribly sorry, and I assure you, it does get better... I
suspect you'll find ep02 *quite* interesting, and unexpected... :-)

PJ
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to be coherent...

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It wasn't *night* patrols, but just after Lois
discovers his other identity he frequently tells her "I
better go check the city."

Elisabeth
--Still itching from those lead undergarments.  Thank
goodness I never ate a lard-filled log or I'd be in
real trouble.

(Aren't lard-filled log those nut covered things they
try to get people to order through the mail for
Christmas presents?)

--- Sue Modolo  wrote:
>  wrote:
>  Metropolis for any
> disaster, mudslides/earthquakes.  I am convinced
that
> all his heroics
> was in Metropolis.>

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<< He knows Lois is innocent so he has to break her out. He doesn't
hesitate, he doesn't feel bad about this decision and it's not simply
because Superman happens to be in love with that woman adn doesn't want
to live without her. He knows the truth and if the truth is against the
law... so it be it. >>

It isn't *just* because Clark loves Lois that he breaks her out of jail
in DLW, but that is surely much of it. Because he trusts her and
believes that she wouldn't kill, he breaks her out of prison. But there
are plenty of people who are either wrongfully imprisoned or wrongfully
acquitted that Clark/Superman doesn't seem to take much interest in.
Yes, he believed in Lois's innocence and may be unsure about the
innocence of a stranger, but I don't think it can be denied that a big
part of why he was willing to break the law (injust as it was) was
because he loved Lois. It would be interesting to see what he'd do if
Lois were non-wrongfully (is that a word?) imprisoned, if she *had* done
the crime. Would Clark break her out then?

<< Yes, he's breaking the law, but it's her *life* at stake. He *did*
wait for justice, but it failed him. Considering the way that the
justice system seemed to be working for her, it wasn't completely
ridiculous to assume that she would end up in the chair. >>

Was it just me or did the possibility of Lois being executed seem
far-fetched to anyone else? The death penalty isn't often used in cases
like Lois's. No matter what your personal opinion about the death
penalty is, it would be highly unlikely (in the US) for a well-educated,
comparatively rich, well-known, white woman to be sent to death row for
killing an ex-con, no matter what the circumstances. Like it or not, the
death penalty is usually not used in cases like this.

For instance, last week a young teenage girl was shot to death while
walking to school in a suburb near where I am from. The man who shot her
was stalking her and had committed previous crimes against her and her
family. However, the man will not be facing the death penalty. In Ohio
(where this happened), there must be at least one of a list of
circumstances that occured for the accused murderer to be eligible for
the death penalty.  They include: the victim was younger than 13, a
felony was committed at the same time as the murder, the victim was a
cop or government official, more than one person was killed, etc. I
don't know the entire list, but what I do know doesn't fit Lois's
"murder." I know different states have different circumstances for
execution eligibility, but even in states where Lois might be eligible
for execution, it is unlikely that she actually would be executed.

BTW--
<< I really hated "Heidi" in JSN and couldn't find her very funny. She
ist just so
clichee bad, blonde, dumb = german, that I felt hurt by her description.
>>

There is probably an obvious answer to this question that is eluding me
right now, but who was Heidi in JSN? I checked my copy of the script and
couldn't find anything, but maybe it was something added in, and I'm
just not remembering the aired episode correctly.

-Christy
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
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Should be sleeping now but just had to add,
when I read Elisabeth's comment the first thing
that popped into my head was, Yeah!
Charity Begins at Home rates right up there with
Ordinary People as one of my favorite eps. regardless
of the fact that one happened on paper
and the other on screen.

Oh, and then there is Crazy For You, with that
What am I going to do with you? Love me for the rest
of my life thing that screams of Waffyness whenever I think
about it.....I could go on, but I'm saving my Drooling-Energy
for the Kerths (this Saturday! 6pm EST! IRC! Fan Fic Addicts
Unite! <--I'm just a teensy bit excited, can ya tell? <g>)

Maggie
Kerth Groupie Numero Uno <g>

p.s. thanks for the kind comments on my Lois Babble,
my heart is still a flutter over that--
and as soon as I regain consciousness,
I will do my very best to make a coherent
vignette out of it.
Promise. <g>

maggie13@bellsouth.net  (aka supermags on IRC)
We read books to find out who we are.
What other people, real or imaginary, do
and think and feel is an essential guide
to our understanding of what we ourselves
are and may become.  Ursula K. LeGuin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Honestly, I like seasons 5 & 6 almost as much as I like
> seasons 2 & 3.  My husbands always laughing at me
> because I get the fanfic confused with the aired
> episodes.  I don't have a visual memory, so it's all
> the same to me.<G>
>
> Elisabeth
>
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At 07:42 PM 3/21/1999 EST, The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM> wrote:
>The *law* and *justice* are not always one and the same. Here's the dialog
>>from Dead Lois Walking:
>"But you've spent your life serving justice."
>
>"Exactly, and you're innocent, and together we're going to prove that. Now
if
>that isn't serving justice, I don't know what is."

No, I'm sorry, this still sounds self-serving to me.  (And to Lois too, by
the sounds of it<g>)

>No "moral imperative" changed here. Lois was still reminding him of what
>Superman stands for, and *what* is it that Superman stands for?  Right --
>*truth* and *justice* and *both* were denied Lois.  Just because someone is
>arrested or even convicted of a crime, that can have little to do with
>*justice* or the "truth* if the person is framed.  At least two episodes in
>1rst season dealt with this, Ides of Metropolis and the finale.  Eugene
>Ladderman was framed for murder and convicted. He escaped his cell and Lois
>hid him. That's called "harboring a fugitive" I believe ;) She felt justice
>had been denied to Ladderman and that he was wrongly convicted.  Clark's
>immediate reaction was to phone the police but Lois persuades him not to.

Exactly!  Clark was more than ready to call the cops.  Lois persuaded him
to give her a fixed period of time to prove she was right.  He wasn't
persuaded not to call the cops, just to delay the timing of his call.

>Ladderman turns out to be innocent. Lois then says to Clark, "And, just in
>case you did miss the moral to the story, thank you, you should trust
what's
>in people's hearts. Not just the facts, ma'am."

So, what you're saying is that Lois taught Clark how to break the law and
feel good about it?

>Jack is framed for the bombing of the Daily Planet.  He hints it might be
nice
>if Superman would spring him from the lock-up.  Clark disagrees, he has his
>belief that justice will prevail.  When Jack escapes, however, Clark
doesn't
>turn him back over to the authorities even though that's breaking the law,
>because he's convinced (and only on Jack's word) that Jack's life would be
in
>danger should he return.  Now it is Clark, a student of Lois' lesson from
Ides
>of Metropolis, who is harboring a fugitive.  Because sometimes it's
"what's in
>peoples hearts, and not just the facts ma'am" that count.

I seem to recollect that Clark had seen first-hand the kind of people Jack
would face if he went back to prison.  I also seem to recollect that Jack's
word wasn't the only evidence.  However, I have no desire to rewatch the ep
to find the quotes.  It wasn't one of my favourites;\

>Moving to second season.  Lois is arrested for a crime committed by a
>surgically altered duplicate.  She desperately needs Clark to believe that
>she's innocent. He does, and with no proof that she isn't "crazy" as
Arianna
>Carlin had assessed her, but again, he knew her heart and that overrode the
>"facts" as they appeared to be in this case.

I recollect he wanted to put her into psychiatric care before she finally
convinced him.  It wasn't just "Oh, this is Lois, I've got to believe
anything she tells me."

> Jimmy falsely arrested for
>murder, Superman being sued for injuring someone, Bill Church Jr. who *was*
>guilty, but getting away with it because of a loophole are all examples of
>*injustices* but all still *legal*.  Are you going to tell me after *all*
of
>this Clark *wouldn't* spring Lois out of jail?

Yes, I have faith in Clark, and Clark's ability to find the truth... If not
in the American justice system<g>

>  If Clark didn't, he would have
>been reverting all the way back to pre-Ides 1rst season Clark.  That's not
>evolution, that's regression <g>

No, he'd have been doing exactly what Lois did for him in Man of Steel
Bars.  In MoSB she didn't hide him in her closet to keep him out of
trouble, she used her savvy to prove he was innocent, before the deadline
artificially imposed by Lex.  Clark could have used his own savvy to prove
her innocence.  It's not like he needs a lot of sleep, or airline tickets,
or anything.  However, that wouldn't have been as "funny" would it?

>Added to all of the above, Clark went against a court order forbidding him
to
>use his powers but he did anyway so that he could stop a runaway train with
>hundreds of passengers on board.

You left out the part about how he then decided to sacrifice his entire
life, everything and everyone he loved, so that he would never do it again.

>Jace Mazick was going to kill Clark's
>parents if Clark didn't rob the jewelry store.

This I hated.  This was *not* Clark.  Clark had enough smarts to outwit
someone like Jason Mazick.  I blame rotten characterization for this
travesty.  Or maybe the writers bought into the idea that Lois had taught
Clark to be a crook, and it was time he used that training?

> Lois was going to die for a
>crime she didn't commit and the DA himself was in on it.  In each case,
>breaking the law was not Clark's first choice.
>
>He was obeying the court order, but wasn't going to let hundreds of people
die
>in Man of Steel Bars. That wouldn't have been *justice*. He was going to
tell
>the world he was Superman in And the Answer Is so that Mazick couldn't
>blackmail him into robbing the jewelry store, but then Mazick kidnapped his
>parents and threatened to kill them.  Even at *that* Clark was still
working
>up to the deadline Mazick gave him trying to find out who was behind the
>kidnapping. In The People Vs Lois Lane, Clark didn't break Lois out of jail
>even though he did feel like "doing something crazy".  He let the criminal
>justice system have its shot, but when it failed, and when Clark *knew*
that
>wasn't Perry testifying on the stand, he knew it was time to get Lois out
of
>there in Dead Lois Walking. It's doubtful those who got her convicted would
>risk the automatic appeal system setting her free. I have a feeling she
might
>have met with one of those unfortunate prison "accidents" that Jack spoke
of
>;)

So what you're telling me is that Superman not only didn't stand for Truth
and Justice, he couldn't even stand up against minor thugs?

>However, there's also the fact that Clark stole evidence (Smart Kids and
>Pheromone, My Lovely), committed  a whole lot of "breaking and entering"
(with
>and without Lois), employed questionable (from a legal standpoint)
>surveillance techniques (both he and Lois), and Mayson Drake thought
Superman
>was akin to a vigilante and even called him a criminal.  Heck, he even
started
>to cheat at cards with Perry <g> For me though, this wasn't Clark's "dark
>side" and most certainly wasn't character assassination. Clark Kent was not
a
>god, but even if he had been, gee, think of all the stuff those guys and
gals
>>from Mt. Olympus got away with ;)  Fortunately for Lois, "I've never known
>anyone with as pure a heart" and so whatever any of us might think of Clark
>when it came to the "law vs justice", what Lois thought of him was truly
all
>that mattered.

It sounds to me, that from your point of view, what Lois contributed to
Clark's life was teaching him how to be a crook.

Thank you.  I really needed to know that;p  Here I was believing that
Superman actually stood for something positive and you've managed to point
out numerous examples that prove he didn't.  Somehow robbing banks and
breaking people out of jail don't quite fit into my vision of Superman;\

If I really believed that this was the "real" Superman, not only would I be
wondering why I bothered with season 4... I'd start to wonder why I watched
the show at all!

>Zoomway@aol.com ("Oh, leave the truth and justice stuff to Superman, would
>you" ;)

Once upon a time, a few years ago, there was a FoLC who told us all about
her wonderful image of Superman.  In her description, she told us that
Superman was a combination of all the positive things in Clark, with the
resourceful support of Lois Lane.  Superman was not one person, he was made
by both Clark Kent and Lois Lane.

I loved this depiction of Superman.  I began to see all kinds of evidence
in each episode that matched this vision of Superman.  In the Pilot, Lois
suggested he bring a change of clothes to work, he decided to wear a
costume.  In NB she convinced him that  "It's the *idea* of Superman.
Someone to believe in.  Someone to build a few hopes around.  Whatever he
*can* do: it's enough."  And so it went, over the next couple of seasons.
Every once in a while Lois would give Clark/Superman the boost he needed to
be everything he was meant to be until in OP he admitted "Being with you is
stronger than me alone."

Meanwhile, Wells and Tempus came along and reiterated that Lois and Clark
were destined for a great future.  It was inevitable.  So much so that
Tempus spent years travelling in time, and between dimensions, trying to
prevent it from ever happening-- and constantly failed in his attempts.

I came to believe that Superman would, eventually, be the culmination of
everything that Clark and Lois were capable of being.  I expect that FoLC
believed that too.

I wonder whatever happened to her?  I think her name was Zoomway.

Margaret
"You live... above us, and when we try to bring you down here, we just show
the worst sides of ourselves."  LL in WWW
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On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:08:46 +0000 Chris Carr <c.carr@VIRGIN.NET> wrote:

> Well, that's it! (I've been playing around with the idea of writing a
mirror piece, too. In other words, what is Lois thinking at the same
time? However, getting her thoughts sorted out isn't very easy. Do you
think I should try or leave well enough alone?) <

Do it, Chris!

Phil
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Hey Folcs :-)
>>> *However*, that said - I really think (and I stress this is only *my*
opinion, but it's been long held over many years) that unless you can state
categorically that no Scot has ever spoken with a Highland brogue, or that
no
Arab has ever been a terrorist or no German has ever been a Nazi, then you
can't
reasonably complain if an author chooses that nationality and uses it in
that
way.  Or any number of variations thereon. <<<

That's exactly what I meant. There's no denying in it that the Nazis *were*
german and there's no denying in it that most terroristic acts that could
possibly be used in a Lois&Clark fanfiction have been done by Arabians.
Sure,
there're other terroristic groups, like the IRA in Northern Ireland but why
should they take hostages in Metropolis?

So as long as nobody reverses the conclusion like in "These Terorists are
Arabians so all Arabians are terrorists" or "These Nazis are German so all
Germans are Nazis" in my POV it's absoulutely okay to use them as gangsters.
And for me there's no indication that any author of fanfiction *ever* wanted
to
do it otherwise.

My dumb friend "Heidi" from OP (so sorry all, I messed the eps up! It was OP
not
JSN and Heidi was the assistant from that doctor!) ... well, I'm not so sure
about her. I know that she was meant to be funny but for me she wasn't- Mabe
she would habe been without letting her sing that Nazi-anthem. Then I found
her
tasteless. To make the assistant of a doctor who uses his knowledge for
perversity german and to let her sing this song = strong allusion to the
Holocaust and the horrifying medical experiments that were done in the
concentration camps. IMHO that is nothing to make fun of.

take care
Nicole
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
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In a message dated 3/22/99 10:16:18 PM Central Standard Time,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

<< I came to believe that Superman would, eventually, be the culmination of
 everything that Clark and Lois were capable of being.  I expect that FoLC
 believed that too. I wonder whatever happened to her?  I think her name was
Zoomway. >>

Whoa, Margaret, I made the post hoping it would make you feel *better*
rather
than worse.  Superman stands for *justice* and sometimes that did lead to
moral dilemmas in the series when the law was misused or in conflict with
actual justice.  I can't remember a time in my life when I wasn't a Superman
fan, my affection for Superman goes back that far. However, in *every*
incarnation, from comics, to movies, cartoons, etc., it could be said that
Superman upheld justice even if that sometimes went contrary to the *law*.
A
sign reads, "swimming is illegal in this lake" yet a man sees a little boy
drowning. Should he uphold the law and not go swimming out to save the
child?
Of course not.  There is the *letter* of the law (the strict meaning/how it
is
worded) and the *spirit* of the law (the intent, why it was created)

The "no swimming" law was probably instituted to save lives, perhaps because
it was a dangerous place to swim. That was the *spirit* (intent) of the law.
If the man swam in after that boy against the *letter* of the law (no
swimming) he would in fact still be upholding the *spirit* of the law (to
save
lives).  I truly believe Superman upheld the "spirit" of the law if not
always
the "letter" of the law. Sending Jack back to the detention center would be
upholding the "letter" of the law, but the "spirit" of the law (the law that
protects Jack's rights and safety under the letter of the law) meant nothing
in this case. The letter of the law, as it applied to the court order
prohibiting Superman from using his super powers, was to put an end to the
heat wave. Whereas the *intent* (the spirit) was to end suffering caused by
the heat wave. Yet, when the train and its passengers were in danger,
Superman
had to weigh their *lives* against that court order.  His choice was an
obvious one.

And no, I didn't forget that Superman finally left, basically placing
himself
in exile since he knew he couldn't ignore cries for help, but in this case,
he
was not leaving so that he would no longer break the law, but rather because
he felt he himself had become a hazard.  If he stayed, he couldn't ignore
cries for help, but if he used his super powers to help, he believed he
caused
the heat to increase. It was his heart that prevailed in his decision.

That was the case in each of these episodes. Clark reacted with his heart
and
upheld justice guided by his heart in favor of the spirit of the law if the
letter of the law would allow innocent people to die. Superman stood for
truth
and justice, but the most telling line he delivered was in Whine whine
Whine,
"When I save a life, in that instant, I know two things most people will
never
figure out.  Why I'm here, and how I can make a difference."  That says it
all. The letter of the law would be overridden by him every single time an
innocent life was at stake.

Clark's ethics and integrity were probably a lot higher compared to most
peoples' standards, and he would adhere to that personal standard of conduct
even if it meant putting himself in exile, or telling the world that he was
Superman, because, "Even in this cynical world, somebody has to stand for
integrity, and if that's what I say I stand for, then I have to mean it."
It
seems very doubtful to me that Clark would feel good about himself if he
allowed that train to wreck in the name of upholding that court order, or
sent
Jack back to the detention center where he would likely be murdered, or let
Lois die for a crime she didn't commit. I think only a programmed machine
could uphold *that* kind of justice and only because it has no heart.

Zoomway@aol.com ("that guy sounds more like RoboCop than me")
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I'd just like to thank you all, guys, for this wonderful information! I've
bought 7 video tapes on L&C from HMV before and they provided a fine
service.
They were so kind in order to help me find the missing eps from the first
season.
Now I know what I'll do! The Best Men will be my birthday present - which
will
be in a couple of days.
Thanks a million!
Celia.
>From Portugal.

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Mary wrote:

>By coincidence, it's available to buy on video from today in the UK,
>although it has been available to hire since last October.
>
>Recommended retail price is =A312.99.
>
>I picked up a copy today at HMV.
>
Mary - swarms of hugs and kisses!!! You made my evening. I *knew* that
birthday cash was burning a hole in my desk drawer for a reason. ;)

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conflict, but never mind.....)
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Celia wrote:
<<<<Now I know what I'll do! The Best Men will be my birthday present -
which
will be in a couple of days.>>>>
     Happy Birthday!!

Does anyone know if Blockbuster (US) has it?
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Thanks to everyone who replied to this request.  After consulting with my
co-writer, we have decided on Claude LeCochon.  Or, Claude the pig.  I know,
it's not really fair to pigs, but it's cute.  If anyone has any strong
objections, PLEASE let me know.  I do not want to insult any person or
group,
even unintentionally.  <g>
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Dear Joy: Hi there!

I've been having a ball reading about the names you've been suggesting for
Claude. I have to say though, that LeCochon sounds *really* awful...! You
see,
we actually have that name in Portuguese and it's not offensive in any way.
In
Portuguese LeCochon/Pig is Leitao. And as the lawyer of our company has that
name, my boss usually refers to him as LeCochon just for the fun of it (he
doesn't like him much), since in French it really is offensive.

Anyway, I'm always afraid to ask to speak with Mr. LeCochon (instead of his
real
name) every time I call the lawyer, because that's how my boss calls him...!

Let's see what the French FoLC's have to say about this matter. But if
Claude
deserves to have such a name, so be it!

P.S. Thanks for wishing me a Happy Birthday, Joy!
Celia.

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Thanks to everyone who replied to this request.  After consulting with my
co-writer, we have decided on Claude LeCochon.  Or, Claude the pig.  I know,
it's not really fair to pigs, but it's cute.  If anyone has any strong
objections, PLEASE let me know.  I do not want to insult any person or
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Hi Celia.  No offense to the lawyer intended.  (I may eventually go to law
school just so mom will get off my case about my wanting to join the
reserves
<g>.)  Claude REALLY deserves something demeaning in this story.  Without
giving
too much away, he stole something MUCH more valuable to Lois than her story.
But, because of the dramatic, and at times, sensitive nature of the story, I
didn't want to insult anyone.
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LITTLE MAN, SUPER:  The Misadventures of a Small Hero*

A story shooting straight to you from the lions [sic] of our Superhero.
(I would spell that right, but this is a G rated list.)  Set between the
events in "Love as a Blonde" and "Taken," (both rated R) it stars Lois
and Clark's young, terrribly confused son and features his loveable but
dilly-dallying parents who are taking a breather from the activities I
normally have them do in fanfic.

Stay Tuned for the Preview.

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small print:
*"Little Man, Super" is rated PG (for "I Promise to God the story's
'suitable' for all audiences"). It would help enormously if the reader
had some knowledge of the events in "Something's Missing" and "Love as a
Blonde." Please be warned that "Little Man, Super" contains a spoiler
for "Taken." Offer not good in the District of Columbia. Relatives and
friend(s) of the author need not apply. Hey, howyadoin'?
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                      LITTLE MAN, SUPER
              The Misadventures of a Small Hero

by Sandy McDermin
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March 1999

              ~~What are little boys made of?
                    Snips and snails,
                   And puppy dog tails,
           That's what little boys are made of.~~

                          *PROLOGUE*

      FALL

     "Lois ... sweetheart, rise and shine," Clark urged, giving her
shoulder a gentle shake.
      Lois opened her eyes to slits, barely focusing.  "It can't be
time to get up yet," she protested, gesturing feebly at the closed
curtains of their window masking the early morning rays.  "Just ten
more minutes, Clark," she mumbled. She turned over and rolled herself
into a ball.
     "No, Honey." He shook her again.  "It is time. You *have* to
wake up.... It's Jonny."
     At the mention of her son's name, Lois struggled mightily to
slice through layers of sleep.  Dragging herself up, she rubbed her
tired eyes and attempted to swing her legs to the floor. He stopped her
>from going any further.
     "What is it?"  she asked, her voice growing with alarm as he
failed to answer.  "Clark!  What's wrong with him?!"
     "Sweetheart, I've seen the future ... and it floats."
     "What?... What do you mean?"
     He couldn't go on.  He looked like he desperately wanted to but
the words just wouldn't take form.  Finally, making a resigned, "I give
up" gesture, he took her by the hand and pulled her up just as
insistently as he had earlier prevented her from rising.
     Lois frowned at her husband's back as he led her, on tiptoe, out
their bedroom door and down the hallway to their son's room.
     "Cla-r-k?  What do y'mean you've seen the future, and it
floats?..." she grumbled.  "Clark!  You're sounding like a fortune
cookie again," she added, whispering fiercely.
     "Shh!" he answered.  He turned, emphasizing his meaning with a
finger to his lips.  "I'm sorry, honey....  I'm-- I'm sorry."
     Now she was panicked, her thoughts tumbling one over the other.
First he wakes me, saying something about Jonny, then he keeps me from
going to him, then he says he's sorry and--
    With a shaky, tentative smile, Clark pushed open their son's door,
pulled Lois bodily in front of him to face the room, and waited
anxiously for the fireworks to take off.  He tensed.  Seconds passed.
Minutes.  No emotional explosion ensued.  Instead, all he got was dead
silence and a strange stillness.  He was almost disappointed.  Almost
... but he could live with silence.  Silence was better than--
     "Oh-h my-y G-o-d!"
     "Oh. Okay," Clark mumbled to himself, dread building. "Right.
Well.  We'll just get this initial shock over with and then ... *Oh
boy*!"
     With the remarkable fortitude shown by mothers who reportedly
have been able to lift heavy objects off their trapped offspring, Lois
bulldozed backward, pushing her husband, who was considered to be the
strongest being on Earth, bodily up against the opposing wall and
pinning him there.  Her hands flew to her lips, stifling any other
renegade sounds.
      "Omigod," she repeated, once again embellishing the "Oh" with a
plaintive call to the Almighty.  Turning around, she backed off,
graciously giving Clark room to breathe but glaring at him to make up
for it.  "All right!  How long have you known?"
     "Since -- since just *now*," he insisted.
     "Just now?" she answered a little suspiciously.
     "Yes, I swear!  It's -- it's something isn't it?" he answered, a
little too cute.
     "Something?  Finding our son ..." Lois quickly glanced over her
shoulder, "sleeping half a foot off his bed--"
     "Five and a quarter," Clark interrupted with a nervous half-smile.
"I measured."
     Lois' eyes widened in exasperation.  "You're feeling proud about
this, aren't you?" she accused.  "Five and a quarter inches -- as if it
mattered!"
      "Shh!... Thank God he hasn't inherited the super-hearing part ...
at least, not yet. Then again, when I float, I'm usually in a pretty
deep sleep--"
     "Clark!"
     "I don't know.  I guess I *am* proud -- maybe.  I don't think I
ever floated at his age."
     "This is not funny."
     "I'm not trying to be funny," he insisted.  Clark gently took Lois
by the shoulders, rubbing softly, trying to calm her. "Honey, we'll
figure out how to deal with this.  My parents did and look how well I
turned out."  He flashed another smile.  This time meant to charm.
     It didn't work.
     Lois leveled a deadpan look, quickly dismissing his Pollyanna
prediction.  "As I said Clark, this isn't funny, nor is it Kansas. This
is the 1990s in the suburbs of Metropolis.  When your parents were
raising you, there was no such person as Superman.  No one had even
dreamt that anyone could do what you do.  What's more, no one was
looking to make a connection between you and super powers.  We don't
have that luxury.  You've heard the rumors.  If anyone saw Jonny do
*anything* -- anything at all -- all of this talk we've been trying to
laugh off would suddenly become very serious -- most of all for him,"
she concluded in a sudden rush, waving toward their levitating son.
     Clark drew in a long, shuddering breath and ran his hand tiredly
through his sleep-strewn hair.  "You're right.... You're right.  So,
what *do* we do?  Do we pull up stakes and take the kids to the farm
until we can figure out what they can do and whether they can handle
it?" he asked.
     She looked up, wondering if he was at all serious.  "No," she
answered with a small voice, seeing no hint of sarcasm in him.
     Sighing, Lois walked into Jonny's room.  His body, adorned in
sailboat-patterned flannel, was in a fetal position and his mouth was
hanging open. He must be chilly, she thought.  She almost hoped he was.
Chilly meant he was vulnerable.  Chilly meant normal.  Carefully, so as
not to disturb, she reached across his bed to push him down and
immediately found her hands joined by her husband's.  Although it
certainly didn't need their combined strength, together they gently
lowered their son onto his bed and pulled the covers up over his body.
With that tender bit of parental attention, Jonny unraveled, turned on
his stomach, and mumbled a few incoherent words.
     "Mo-m-my ... Mo-m-my."
     Lois leaned closer, peering into his face.  He was peaceful and
still and not saying another thing.
     "Mom-my."
     The voice grew louder and crisper and Lois' head snapped up in
response. "Molly?"  She glanced out the door of Jonny's bedroom toward
her small daughter's room.
     How can *she* hear us--? Oh!  Lois' manic mind ticked off another
worry, obviously not satisfied with the one she already had. Oh no!...
Maybe-- maybe *she's* the one with super hearing!

     SPRING....

to the link below to continue this story.

Exclusive Engagement:
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Hi Celia.  No offense to the lawyer intended.  (I may eventually go to law
school just so mom will get off my case about my wanting to join the
reserves
<g>.)  Claude REALLY deserves something demeaning in this story.  Without
giving
too much away, he stole something MUCH more valuable to Lois than her story.
But, because of the dramatic, and at times, sensitive nature of the story, I
didn't want to insult anyone.

I can't hardly wait to read it! :) I never ever read a story about the
relationship between Lois and Claude (just references in other stories with
other subjects). I even don't know if the fanfic archive has a story
exploring
this relationship. I'm way behind my reading and I'll always be, it seems!
Do you have any ideas of when will it be ready...?
Keep up the good work, Joy, we'll all be waiting for your story!
Celia.
:)
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It's been out on video here for several months - I saw it in
Blockbuster shortly before Christmas, and watched it myself a couple
of months ago.

Wendy

On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:05:13 -0800 Eileen Barnard
<eileen@BARNARD70.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote:

> Hey
>
> Does anybody know is this is going to be released on video in the UK?  It
> was on in our cinemas in the West End of London and a few selected cinemas
> around the country but I was away on holiday when it was released and when
I
> got back it had been taken off.
>
> I would be grateful for the info?
>
> Regards
> Eileen B

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Sandy,
I was so pleased to read your announcement!   On my way to your site right
now....
Kate
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Hey Nicole!

>>> *However*, that said - I really think (and I stress this is only *my*
opinion, but it's been long held over many years) that unless you can state
categorically that no Scot has ever spoken with a Highland brogue, or that
no
Arab has ever been a terrorist or no German has ever been a Nazi, then you
can't
reasonably complain if an author chooses that nationality and uses it in
that
way.  Or any number of variations thereon. <<<

>>>That's exactly what I meant. There's no denying in it that the Nazis
*were*
german and there's no denying in it that most terroristic acts that could
possibly be used in a Lois&Clark fanfiction have been done by Arabians.
Sure, there're other terroristic groups, like the IRA in Northern Ireland
but why
>>>>should they take hostages in Metropolis?

Exactly, Nicole. Like it or not, there are compelling current social and
poliitical criteria on a global scale at this particular point in Earth
history which make Arabians the natural choice for a western fanfic author
when searching for a choice of nationality for terrorists characters. Again,
I haven't yet had time to read the story - but reading between the lines of
your post here, I'm presuming that in this fanfic the terrorists are working
on American soil? So....think about it. What other political terrorist
groups are likely to be on American soil taking hostages? As you point out -
very few.

Lockerbie is high on the mind here in Britain right now. And, undoubtedly in
the States too. If I were writing a fanfic at this particular moment and
required terrorists who are active against Western - especially US -
interests and who don't confine their hostage taking/murdering of tourists
or UK/US passport holders to their own lands (the Congo for one example)
then I don't really have much of the world to consider in my choice when you
get down to brass tacks. Watching the nightly news report, I might well have
researched the two Lockerbie suspects, discovered the group to which they
are alleged to be affiliated, gone looking for other members currently held
in prisons in Europe, found out as much as I could about their personal and
political history, changed a couple of names to protect the guilty, and put
them into the story. Now......can anyone point me to the stereotype in that
scenario?

One wonders actually what nationality an Iranian or Lybian FoLC might choose
in similiar circumstances. Might I hazard a guess though and suggest that an
American or Brit might be high on the list of usual suspects perhaps, for at
least one of them?

>>>>So as long as nobody reverses the conclusion like in "These Terorists
are Arabians so all Arabians are terrorists" or "These Nazis are German so
all
Germans are Nazis" in my POV it's absoulutely okay to use them as gangsters.
And for me there's no indication that any author of fanfiction *ever*
>>>>>wanted to do it otherwise.

No, nor me. And whereas it is true that there *are* people out there who
can't distinguish between the basic logical concept that there are bad
apples in every barrel, but that doesn't make every barrel of apples bad, I
truly believe that they are much fewer in number than we like to think. Most
people have the brains to work it out. Probably more than we give the world
credit for.

>>>>My dumb friend "Heidi" from OP (so sorry all, I messed the eps up! It
was OP not JSN and Heidi was the assistant from that doctor!) ... well, I'm
not so sure about her. I know that she was meant to be funny but for me she
wasn't- Mabe she would habe been without letting her sing that Nazi-anthem.
Then I found her tasteless. To make the assistant of a doctor who uses his
knowledge for perversity german and to let her sing this song = strong
allusion to the Holocaust and the horrifying medical experiments that were
done in the
>>>>concentration camps. IMHO that is nothing to make fun of.

I deliberately left Heidi out of my earlier post because I really wasn't
entirely sure that she actually came into the same catagory as Scots with
Highland brogues, and German Nazis to be honest. And it was way, way too
late in the evening to try and get my head around it. <g> No need to
apologise, BTW - I, for one, didn't even take note of the episode tag. I
knew who you were taking about.

Having thought about it, I'm still none too sure that Heidi isn't a separate
entity all together to the subject under discussion. An offshoot maybe, but
not completely the same thing. I found Heidi amusing. But then I'm not
German. Or Jewish or gay or of gypsy descent, among others who might have
less reason to view her as such. And I *can* understand why someone from
Germany or these and other groups wouldn't.

There is less of a compelling argument for Heidi's inclusion simply because
it appears on the surface of it that the only *reason* she was German was to
highlight precisely that connection you point up here. (Although I haven't
watched the Heidi portions of OP without zapping for long enough, so if
there's anyone out there who knows differently I'll be delighted to be
corrected.) In reality, she could just as easily have been most
nationalities in the world and lost nothing of her integrity as a character.
(If I'd been writing the script I might well have made her a refuge from a
Beverly Hi