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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:20:44 -0500
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From:         Phillip Atcliffe <Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK>
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On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:29:08 +0200 Hazel Brown <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL>
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> Nice story, Phil! I was initially disappointed when I realized that
this story was going to be part of S6 -- I wanted something *new*! But
you changed it so seamlessly that I lost myself in the story and just
enjoyed it all over again. (I missed the bed, though. <g>) <

Yeah, well, the bit with the bed didn't quite fit in with my idea of an
S6 episode, so that whole sequence went -- too distracting from the
main plot, but fun in and of itself. Actually, I was happy with the way
both versions of the story turned out, and I'm half-tempted to combine
them into one big one, with bed, new stuff and all. Don't hold your
breath, but it might happen; there's at least one idea in the S6
version that I can't believe I didn't think of originally....

> Why don't we find out what Ellen and Martha did to Laura? I was
expecting her to come back with pierced ears or something... <

Geez, how am I supposed to know what grandmothers (and _those_ two, in
particular!) get up to with baby girls? Besides, I don't like pierced
ears (or pierced anything, come to that) -- the studs get caught in my
teeth! <g>

Phil
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:24:55 +0000
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From:         Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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Hey Maggie -

I agree with Sheila, that is one _excellent_ snippet of dialogue! I
*loved* the bit where Lois mumbles 'The treasurer'!

Like Sheila, I'd love to see you develop it into a full story. Come
on, you can do it!

Wendy

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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:31:18 +0000
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Hey Hazel,

Thank you so much for your posting - it's given me a lot to think
about. I knew that the pairing would be obvious to readers, but
wasn't sure whether that mattered, and I did want to show their
different attitudes to completing the questionnaire. But your
suggestion might well work, and I'll think about trying it that way
before I submit to the Archive.

This, btw, is why I posted the story to the list first - I was hoping
for some useful constructive feedback like Hazel's. Many thanks!

Wendy
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At 06:23 PM 3/14/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>
> Hey everyone!
>
> I just watched "Resurrection" from one of my videos, and I hated seeing
> Daniel Scardino, but I saw a part of the episode that inspired me to write
a
> fanfic to change it.  It was the part where Clark is about to explain to
Lois
> why he'd been ignoring her and then the doorbell rang, and Scardino is at
the
> door. Well, i wanted to write one where Scardino does NOT interrupt and
Clark
> gets to explain himslef. I'll start on it just as soon as I get you guys
> approval and as soon as someone can tell me exactly what was said before
the
> doorbell.

You don't need anyone's approval. Write on!

>
> Thanks, Supergirl
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Hi Sheila,

And thanks for your comments. I don't read my work email account
(which is where I receive this list) over the weekend, so I'm only
getting this now.

And thank you for your 'nit-pick' - it's a very valid point:

> >>He winced now as he remembered the
> final insult before he had thrown her into that dumpster: he had
> patted her backside. *Why* had he done that? It had been a
> petty-minded gesture, just as dropping her into that dumpster had
> been - and to add further insult to injury, he had deliberately
> chosen the one containing rotting vegetables. <<
>
> I was left feeling like *he* didn't know why he did it, when I'm firmly
> convinced that Clark had his reasons at the time.  I'm not saying that
they
> were valid, but your handling of it left me feeling more like you couldn't
> come up with a justification for his behavior than that *he* had decided
> that his behavior was totally unjustified.

Hmmmm... quite possibly! Well, do any TDOCKs out there have any
suggestions as to how Clark might have justified his actions to
himself *at the time*? I intend to make some revisions to this story
before it goes to the Archive, so all comments will be gratefully
received.

Thanks again!

Wendy
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:38:33 EST
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I just read a press release the start of pre-production on "The
Unconcerned.".
>From the press release: "The Unconcerned" follows Bob Lorenz (Dean Cain), a
young ambitious businessman wrongly accused of stealing a large stash of
drug
money from a ruthless criminal. And according to the press release, the
movie
has been pre-sold to HBO
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Hello,

Wow!  What a Day we had.  :)

Saturday's IRC Tutorial was a great success!!  I hope each of you who
attended
learned something about the IRC and now feel more comfortable with using it.
A
follow-up session is scheduled for next Saturday and all are welcome to
attend.  I hope you will use your new IRC skills to attend the 1999 Kerth
Awards later this month.

I also, want to thank each of the tutors who came to help.  I feel I have
some
pretty remarkable friends who graciously agreed to give their time and
talents
in helping me.  I want to give A Big Thank You to: KathyB, Erin (ELK), Anne
(AMCiotola),
Crys (Cryssie2), Zoomway, Misha, and Pam (ChiefPam).  Ladies, I couldn't
have
done it without you.  You all were wonderful.

I hope to see you all again at Saturday's follow-up.  For anyone who would
like to attend please email me and I will add you to the list.

Annie Lansbury :)
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    This is, of course, just IMHO, but I liked knowing that Lois and
Clark would be paired.  No mattter how you write it, it would be obvious
anyway, and that's a good thing.  It would be a huge disappointment if
it was done any other way.
    Still, I liked the anticipation of knowing for sure what was going
to happen and watching Lois and Clark when they had no idea.  I think
the story would lose something if it was changed.  The surprise that the
dating agency wasn't even a real dating agency after all was plenty for
me.

Jessi
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:14:29 -0800
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---"Juli E. Hale" <JuliHale@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> Warning: This post has potential spoilers in it. You might want to
read the
> Sequel to Three Grandmothers and "Can't Live..." before reading
this. :-)
>
> Hi All!
> I just finished reading a couple of the new stories on the Archive
(like I do
> every Sunday ;-)) and I was really impressed.

Don't you just love when new stories are posted the Archive? ;-) I
read them every Monday, and it just makes my week!

<<Excellent feedback various stories snipped>>

What with all the talk on feedback these days, I thought I'd better
contribute, as I always put it off and then never get around to it!

There was a great crop of new stories at the Archive this week.  I
especially enjoyed 'Maybe I Need Glasses' by Maria Mendoza, 'Cloud on
my Tongue' by Rachel TenHaaf and 'Can't Live (If Living is Without
You)' by Raconteur27.  (Actually I enjoyed them all, but these just
stuck in my head0

I found the characterisation of Lois in 'Maybe I Need Glasses' right
on!  Her thought to herself are hilarious as she tries to figure out
what made her miss the obvious.  Her oh so subtle way of letting Clark
in on the secret is also great, as is Clark's reaction.  Just a great
way to spend a Monday morning!

I enjoyed 'Cloud on My Tongue' because even though the situation could
have turned ugly and both Clark and Lois were miscommunicating
terribly (or is that communicating terribly and miscommunicating
well??) there was no wavering on Clark's part.  It was shown that he
was completely in love with Lois and Lana just didn't even register in
the equation.  Yes, he was being a little dense, but that was just so
Clark.  I also liked Lana's Dad, a very classy man.

Anyway, just wanted to share a few thoughts and to encourage others to
get thee to the Archive!

Audrey
PS has anyone else noticed how hard it is to decide how to vote for
the Kerths?  I've been putting it off because I read one story and
then see another in the same category that I also love and then
another ... ack!  Can't I vote for them all??? :)

PPS Oh, and on the same topic, I just wanted to say I am also honoured
and flattered to be included among the nominees.  It was just such a
thrill to see that my little story among such great writers.  It
really is the best just to be nominated.

Back to reading...
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:28:20 EST
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Hello all!  A while ago I was looking around in the archive and I found a
story.  I can't remember the title or the author, but the little description
was something about how a childhood version of Lois met a childhood version
of
Clark, I think in Disneyworld, and that this meeting could affect their
future.  I didn't get a chance to read the story then, and I want to now,
but
I can't find it.  If anyone has any idea of what story I'm talking about,
could you please tell me.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
        Kelsey Croft
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I believe the story that you want is "It's a Small World After All."  It is
in
the archive, and the autor's name is Cristin Whitely.  I hope this helps.
There
are also other stories in which younger L&C meet:  a museum, a high school
journalism convention, and another summer vacation story where Clark and
Lois
actually promise to marry when they grow up.
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From:         Margaret Brignell <brignell@CAPITALNET.COM>
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At 12:17 PM 3/15/1999 +0000, Wendy wrote:
>Hmmmm... quite possibly! Well, do any TDOCKs out there have any
>suggestions as to how Clark might have justified his actions to
>himself *at the time*? I intend to make some revisions to this story
>before it goes to the Archive, so all comments will be gratefully
>received.

In the script it says "Clark pats her on the rear, a replay of Johnny's
action." (he's been copying other people's actions at the Club throughout
the script up until this point, as if he'd never really experienced this
kind of environment before.)

Actually, this pretty much was my impression of Clark's actions when I
first saw IGACOY, it seemed as if he were copying some character he'd seen
on TV, or in the movies, in an effort to convince Toni he was
"experienced".  Not to mention he wanted to get Lois away from danger, and
would do pretty much anything to save her.

As for Lois' reaction?<g>  In the script it says "Lois gives him the evil
eye and has no choice but to leave."  Which pretty much sums up her
reaction throughout;)

Margaret
who still loves the 'piano bench' kiss Clark gave Toni (an imitation of the
magazine ad for "Obsession"??...I can never remember the name of the
perfume;\)--and especially Lois' reaction<G>

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Margaret Brignell
brignell@capitalnet.com
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Hi,

The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer.  She, too, is a 1999 Kerth
Award Nominee.  I hope you will go and check out her interview.

The URL is........
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html

Annie Lansbury
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At 06:38 PM 3/14/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> I new to the list. I was looking through the archive & saw that there are
> some good stories except that I have one problem. I can't download them
from
> the site. If it is not too much trouble can anyone who has written
fanfiction
> in the past please email it to me. I would really appreciate it. Email
them
> to <mailto:ghettoqueen@cwix.com>ghettoqueen@cwix.com. Again thanks alot.
>
> Wendy

/me gawks as "Ghettoqueen" opens her mail box to find +900 stories...

Debby :)
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From:         Lane MacKenzie <QueenSpaam@AOL.COM>
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At the risk of sending a "me too" e-mail...

Oh where oh where oh where oh where oh wheeeeeere... is my hairbrush?

Queen Spa'am (who loves the new Madame Blueberry)
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My goodness!  Alot of us love Veggie Tales.  Did you know about the
Veggie Tales Website?  It's <www.bigidea.com> .

Okay that's all . . .Come back next time to here Jocelyn sing, Oh, no
what we gonna do . . .I have a english midterm tommorrow!!!!

~Jocelyn
==
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:33:33 CST
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>At the risk of sending a "me too" e-mail...
>
>Oh where oh where oh where oh where oh wheeeeeere... is my hairbrush?
>
>Queen Spa'am (who loves the new Madame Blueberry)
>

And do I dare start in about songs about lips from a cucumber who
doesn't apear to have any?  No, I'll be good and attempt to stay on
topic.

Oh, here's something that actually *does* have to do with L&C (But not
fanfiction.  Sorry)  TNT has officially stopped showing L&C on weekdays.
And do you know what they ended on?  WIEAK!!

Now, putting aside the fact that I'm an established hater of that
episode (Jessi ducks the inevitable posts from people who love it) can't
you just imagine some poor person who's watching L&C for their first
time around.  They're watching on Friday and they see Lois and Clark
hurt and angry and still not back together.  They tune in on Monday,
hoping that everything will get better, and suddenly their TV show has
disappeared without a trace and replaced with some rip-off of Lethal
Weapon.  I feel so sorry for that poor person.  I've already e-mailed
TNT, begging to advertise the time switch for the sake of their viewers,
but with the interest they've showed in L&C lately, I doubt I'll get a
response.  Oh well.  It was worth a try.

Jessi
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From:         Cristin J Whitley <ckandll4ever@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Looking for a story

Wow! I think that was a story by *me*. Cool, no one has ever been looking
for one of my fics before. <g> It's called "It's A Small World After
All". :o)

Cristin (overly excited that someone was looking for her story <g>)
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On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:28:20 EST "Kelsey J. Croft" <Katzee112@AOL.COM>
writes:
>Hello all!  A while ago I was looking around in the archive and I
>found a
>story.  I can't remember the title or the author, but the little
>description
>was something about how a childhood version of Lois met a childhood
>version of
>Clark, I think in Disneyworld, and that this meeting could affect
>their
>future.  I didn't get a chance to read the story then, and I want to
>now, but
>I can't find it.  If anyone has any idea of what story I'm talking
>about,
>could you please tell me.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks.
>        Kelsey Croft
>
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Subject:      NEW FANFIC: Not So Cruel Intentions

Hey all. :o)
        This isn't really much of a fic, just something short I whipped
up while bored at work. It's really short and pretty silly, but I hope
you like it. :o) Any comments can be sent to me at CKandLL4ever@Juno.com.
Thanks!

Cristin Whitley :o)

PS - I work at the movie theater... that might explain the setting of
this story. <g>

Not So Cruel Intentions
By: Cristin Whitley
CKandLL4ever@Juno.com

        "Sorry, Lois. 'Shakespeare In Love' isn't showing anymore," Clark
said.

        Lois glanced at the movie listings above her. "How about that new
Michelle Pfieffer movie?"

        "Um, that's sold out," interrupted the ticket girl. 'Sorry. Have
you seen 'Eight Millimeters' yet?"

        "Augh, no! I can't stand that Nicholas Cage guy!" Clark groaned.

        "'Carrie Two'?" the girl offered.

        Lois rolled her eyes. "We saw the original, thanks." She glanced
behind her. The line was starting to get longer.

        "What's the hold up? muttered a man a few feet behind Lois and
Clark.

        Lois turned to glare at the man. "The movie I wanted to see is no
longer here, okay? Maybe I could choose faster if I could get some
*quiet*!" She smiled apologetically at the ticket girl. "Some people are
so rude."

        "Well, let's see," Clark mused. "All that's left is 'Cruel
Intentions' and a Disney movie. Which one will it be, honey?"

        Lois groaned. "Two for 'Cruel Intentions'. I can't put up with
anything Disney right now."

        Clark laughed as he handed the girl the money. "Come on, Lois.
Let's go get some popcorn."

**********

        "I'm still not sure what this movie is about," Lois said as she
and Clark entered the theater. She looked around at the people already
seated. "Clark? Do you notice something about all of these people?"

        "Hmmm, let me think. They're all eating popcorn?" he guessed.

        "No."

        "They're all sitting close to the screen?"

        "No."

        "Well," he rubbed his chin, "I don't think that *all* of them are
aliens." He smiled. "So I give up. What is wrong with them, Lois?"

        "Other than you and me, no one in  here looks like they've
graduated high school!!"

        Clark surveyed the crowd. "That couple over there looks like they
might be in college," he mused. He shut up when Lois crossed her arms and
glared at him. "Okay, okay. So maybe this is a teenager movie. I'm sure
we can find better things to do than watch. Jimmy tells me that those
movable arm rests are really nice." He smiled.

        Lois smiled back. "Why look! Here are some great seats in the
back row!" She grabbed his hand and pulled him toward the seats. "Maybe
this won't be so bad after all."

THE END

Hmmm, I like twisting movie titles. Maybe next I can do one called, "The
Opposite of Lex"... <g>

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Can someone email the URL for Annie Landsberry's site with the featured
fanfic writer?

I lost it!

thanx!

jme
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Thanx everyone for letting me "in" on the hype about Veggie Tales!
sounds cute! We'll have to see if they are at Blockbuster video to try
one out!;)

jme
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From:         Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Wendy's "Perfect Match"
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Hi Jessi,

Thanks for your comments; I've had one or two others mail me
privately with the same argument re. the pairing. This, and the
helpful suggestions in relation to Clark's motivation for the
'backside pat', are all helping enormously... although, Sheila, I'm
sorry to say that while I could just about defend everything else
Clark did in IGACOY, I cannot think of any reasonable at-the-time
justification for his deliberate selection of that particular
dumpster (apart from the scriptwriter deliberately wanting to include
a laugh).

Incidentally, the dating agency *was* real; the director just
happened to be a friend of Alice White's and agreed to do Perry a
favour  <G>

Wendy

On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:06:53 CST Jessi Mounts <jessi914@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>     This is, of course, just IMHO, but I liked knowing that Lois and
> Clark would be paired.  No mattter how you write it, it would be obvious
> anyway, and that's a good thing.  It would be a huge disappointment if
> it was done any other way.
>     Still, I liked the anticipation of knowing for sure what was going
> to happen and watching Lois and Clark when they had no idea.  I think
> the story would lose something if it was changed.  The surprise that the
> dating agency wasn't even a real dating agency after all was plenty for
> me.
>
> Jessi
> jessi914@hotmail.com
>
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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At 10:55 AM 3/16/99 +0000, Wendy Richards wrote:
>...although, Sheila, I'm
>sorry to say that while I could just about defend everything else
>Clark did in IGACOY, I cannot think of any reasonable at-the-time
>justification for his deliberate selection of that particular
>dumpster.

I never found any justification for it personally, either, but I remember a
vociferous discussion about this ep in which someone suggested that Clark
did it in order to dirty Lois's dress--to make *sure* she wouldn't return to
the Metro Club.  He really did want her out of there because he knew Lex had
recognized her.  Lex had been having an interesting conversation with Toni,
so they might be partners in whatever misdeeds the Metro Club was a front
for.  And if Lex let on that Lois wasn't who she appeared to be, Toni might
have her taken out of the way.

I really believe Clark's motivation was concern for Lois's safety.  As far
as his condescending behavior at his apartment, I think he may have been
feeling guilty about what he had done, and he was trying to distract her and
deflect her justifiable anger.

Maybe he was trying out the way some guy on TV or a movie had handled a
similar situation, only to find that it certainly didn't work with his Lois.
Remember, he said in JSN that he didn't have any experience with
relationships, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for him to try different ways
of handling things until he found out what worked with Lois.

I know:  that's a totally inadequate justification.  But we're stuck with
some very un-Clark-like behavior in the canon, so I keep trying to find a
reason behind what was actually some poor writing choices.  I really believe
that this series is greater than the sum of its individual parts.  Despite
network interference, bad writing at times, cast arguments (some of which
impacted scenes in STP), and changing visions for the series, Lois & Clark:
The New Adventures of Superman somehow managed to triumph over all that and
become something magical.  It became real.  Sort of like Pinocchio.

That's why I don't ignore parts of the canon or rewrite them.  That's why
I'm an apologist for indefensible behavior.  Somehow, in the course of
creating a TV show that would bring in enough viewers to see ads for pizza
and cars, TPTB (in the broadest sense) created something with a life of its
own, far beyond their efforts and vision, and even its warts and blemishes
add to the reality of the whole.  And that's why we keep writing fanfic and
why we've carried on their story for a fifth and sixth season and why many
of us can't imagine a world in which Lois and Clark don't exist.

Sheila
(who still gets a lump in her throat when the stupid wooden puppet turns
into a real boy)
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How can Clark's hair be invulnerable?  Isn't hair dead?  I asked my
wife and she said "not exactly" but was not able to elaborate on it.
Any ideas?

Mr. D8A

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Mr. D8A wrote:
<How can Clark's hair be invulnerable?  Isn't hair dead?  I asked my
wife and she said "not exactly" but was not able to elaborate on it.
Any ideas?>

     Actually, since hair grows from the roots, the part that one cuts is
"dead".  The ends of the hair do not have nerve endings, that's why it
doesn't
hurt when one gets a hair cut.
     However, Clark's molecular structure is different than everyone else's,
and
therefore his hair would be slightly different as well.  In "Chip of the Old
Clark", the little boy's hair showed an example of this.  :)
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Hi all

Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on during the filming of
Stop the Presses that made it different from other episodes?  It's
been mentioned in several posts lately, but, I'll admit, even as a
huge fan of the 4th season, I never noticed anything exceptional in
the episode.

Also, is there a website or a list anywhere that mentions instances
when the cast of L&C deviated from the script or otherwise improvised?
 I know of a few examples -- the end of Ghosts and a line during the
kitchen scene of AKAS -- but I was curious if anyone knew of any
others.  I think outtakes like these give insight into how Dean, Teri,
and the other actors viewed their characters and their motivations.

Thanks!
Sheriff Rachel
(who's had steam rising from her collar and has been busting
thermometers in her sickbed all week.  Sigh...)

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Dear Christy Kubit and all the other Folcs :),
since the email address I found in your story bounced back a few times, I
decided
to send my feedback for your new Story "Martha Chronicles 1" to the list and
I
hope you are a member here. :-)

I seldom write feedback to stories, simply because most of the time I'm too
lazy
to do it, but your first story about Martha was so good, I couldn't help
myself
wanting to thank you for it.
I loved every second and spent a wonderful evening yesterday reading it. I
really
hope you'll post the second part soon! I can't wait to see Jonathan and
Martha
meet again!

One short note though: Obviously there are a few lines missing in the story.
It's
when Ruth and Martha go to their room together at Martha's first evening in
Kansas. Maybe you could check on that?

take care
Nicole
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
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Wendy, I just wanted to say I really enjoyed reading your new story, The
Perfect Match.  It was really cute.  Do you plan a sequel?

I think Perry was in perfect character, setting them up like that to get
them together.  Of course, we all knew they were the perfect match.

I would say that Clark can justify his action of patting Lois on the rear by
saying that it was in character to who he was pretending to be.  Lois called
him Kent and could have blown his cover and he wanted to stop her from
saying too much.  That's not the only time he patted her rear.  He did it
earlier behind the bar when Lois was serving drinks before she sang her
song.  I didn't think Clark needed to apologise.  Lois had already been very
sarcastic and nasty to him ever since he had met her, so I would say it was
a little pay back for Clark.

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I've been watching this show in syndication for about half a year, and I
never
saw the one that was going to be on yesterday if L.A. Heat hadn't of taken
it's place.  I know Lois and Clark kiss and make up, but I missed how!  Is
Lois and Clark even on TNT anymore, because according to my search button on
Digital Cable (you enter a show and it gives you all the times) it's not.
        Kelsey
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In a message dated 3/15/99 6:17:47 AM Central Standard Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< Hmmmm... quite possibly! Well, do any TDOCKs out there have any
 suggestions as to how Clark might have justified his actions to
 himself *at the time*? I intend to make some revisions to this story
 before it goes to the Archive, so all comments will be gratefully >>

I think the motivation is hard to pin in one place because it's not just the
garbage scene.  If that had been the one scene, a motivation might be found,
but since the episode continued with Clark being patronizing and dismissive
of
Lois' anger, then the motive would have to cover that as well.  He was
obviously not sorry for how he treated her earlier and so whatever prompted
Clark's behavior was still in full force by the apartment scene.

There's also something Lois said to Clark when she was so angry, something
like, "Others might still buy your innocent routine, but not me, not
anymore!"
It's as if Clark lost something in Lois' eyes due to how he'd treated her.
That she may have initially thought he had good, noble or innocent
intentions
for "spying' on her at the Metro Club, no matter how much she might have
resented the "spying", but once he destroyed her cover, and did so by
betraying her to the "enemy" so to speak, his motives seemed to not only
lack
"innocence" (good intentions) but in fact seemed malicious and self-serving.

That's the part that's really the most difficult and what makes a
justification or clear motive of any reasonable kind hard to come by.  Clark
was *spiteful* in that scene. Any arguments about him wanting to get Lois to
safety because of his personal suspicions of Lex would work *if* the truly
spiteful attitude Clark displayed had been missing.  He deliberately threw
Lois in the nasty garbage and seemed childishly happy that he had that
choice.
I never bought the argument that he did so to make Lois so messy she
wouldn't
go running back into the Metro Club.  Lois, who showed up at the Daily
Planet
in front of everyone coated in filth, disheveled hair, torn clothing and a
broken heel on her shoe, would stay out of the Metro Club because she had a
stain on her dress? Please <g>  Not to mention, with her cover gone, I can't
think of a logical reason she'd return anyway.

For me, like Sheila, when it comes to fanfic I really don't want to rewrite
an
episode.  I like going with the canon established by the show even when it's
as convoluted as IGACOY. It might be more difficult to come up with
motivations rather than simply rewriting the story, but I just prefer going
with what the show established. With IGACOY, I've decided that working
"backward" is the best way to invent a motivation for what Clark did. That
is,
what was the end result of Clark's treatment of Lois?  He made her furious
with him.  Therefore, for me, *that* becomes his attitude motivation.  He
*wanted* to make her furious with him.  Now, why?

Okay, let's say Clark wanted to get Lois out of there (misguided heroics or
not) because he was afraid for her safety.  He *knows* Lois. Even if he gets
her out of there, that isn't going to short-circuit her "Mad Dog Lane" mode.
She'll try something else, maybe even something much more dangerous to get
that story. So, he has to go with "misdirection".  He has *got* to get her
focused on something else.  What's as visceral as Lois' investigative
reporter
imperative?  Her temper <g> Have Clark, in your story, consciously decide to
use her temper against her to keep her off balance and out of danger.

Have Clark holding Lois over his shoulder and thinking something like, "What
can I do to really tick her off? Nothing short of a four alarm temper
meltdown
will keep her mind off this story.  Hm, she hated the smack on the rear"
SMACK "okay, good, I can almost feel her blood boiling. What else?  Ah,
clean
garbage or messy garbage?" SPLAT. In approaching Clark's out-of-character
behavior as *deliberate* on his part, an act to make Lois mad at *him*
instead
of letting her lapse back into "mad dog Lane" reporter mode, it can work.
Have him repeat the bad attitude at his apartment, again, so that he can
deliberately stoke her temper.  I think the motivation can work on that
level.

That's about the best I can come up with in terms of a motive that better
fits
Clark's true character.  It's difficult often with St. John scripts because
she seemed to hate Lois, or at the very least wanted Lois to be punished or
humiliated for some reason, yet St. John adored Lex Luthor, and because of
that, often made him seem like the "good guy" or "hero" in her scripts, and
she seemed to lock Clark Kent into some adolescent age group.   In Fly Hard,
it was almost a bit embarrassing that Clark had plans to go to the movies
with
a teenager while Lois and Lex came in dressed to the nines for the opera
looking like grownups by comparison.  Clark was also often rendered
"valueless" in her scripts.  In Illusions of Grandeur he became the victim
of
amazing "instant hypnosis" and forced to give a screaming child back to the
kidnapper.  He was unable to do much of anything in Fly Hard due to the
circumstances, and in IGACOY, though his cover remained in tact, the only
thing of "value" Clark seemed to discover was that Toni was a good cook <g>
I'm not trying to put down St. John as a writer, but her characterization
choices often baffled me ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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>I've been watching this show in syndication for about half a year, and
I never
>saw the one that was going to be on yesterday if L.A. Heat hadn't of
taken
>it's place.  I know Lois and Clark kiss and make up, but I missed how!
Is
>Lois and Clark even on TNT anymore, because according to my search
button on
>Digital Cable (you enter a show and it gives you all the times) it's
not.
>        Kelsey
>(who has a little hope after she read Jessi's message)
>

Well, that's not I was going for!  Have hope!  L&C isn't gone, just, uh,
reduced.  It's still on every Sunday, at 9 AM Central.  Not this Sunday,
though.  They're airing something about the Oscars instead.  But if you
watch next Sunday, you'll see Swear to God, This Time We're Not Kidding
and can watch them get married.  Of course, that means it will take
forever for them to get back around to third season again, but they will
eventually, and then you can watch them make up.  And kiss.  Can't
forget the kissing.

Jessi
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     I originally sent this message yesterday, but it was returned to me.  I
don't know if I had a server problem, or what, but I thought I'd try again.
I
apologize if it did get sent through twice.
     I believe the story that you want is "It's a Small World After All."
It is
in the archive, and the autor's name is Cristin Whitely.  I hope this helps.
There
are also other stories in which younger L&C meet:  a museum, a high school
journalism convention, and another summer vacation story where Clark and
Lois
actually promise to marry when they grow up.

JOY:)
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Many thanks to the FOLC who suggested the two-sided, two columned, Ariel 7pt
font, paper saving, organized method of printing out fanfics.  I only wish I
had known about this many eons ago.....(Meet Me in St Louis, Dawning, come
to
mind!)
Not only does it save paper, but it prints the story out, all ready to read,
no shuffling from front to back required.  Many blessings upon you, your
printer, and your house <g>
Kate
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In answer to the question, is Lois and Clark still on TNT?  the answer is,
yes, on Sunday at 9:00 am.  There is a Sunday coming up, either March 21 or
28
when it is being preempted for something.  To check the schedule, go to
www.tnt.turner.com and follow the links -sci-fi to L&C.

The episode which would have followed Friday's episode is Just Say Noah, in
which Lois gets on a story about missing couples who are linked through a
marriage group thing.  Perry sends them undercover to check it out and the
rest is history.  Unfortunately, the Sunday cycle is at the beginning of the
4th season, so it's going to be a long time before they get back to the
third
season.

Maybe if enough people contact  TNT, they will put it back on regularly in a
while.  (Especially if no one watches the new show. )

Ann
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Hi,

Here is the URL.....
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html

Annie :)
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Zoomway suggested:

>Okay, let's say Clark wanted to get Lois out of there (misguided heroics or
>not) because he was afraid for her safety.  He *knows* Lois. Even if he
gets
>her out of there, that isn't going to short-circuit her "Mad Dog Lane"
mode.
>She'll try something else, maybe even something much more dangerous to get
>that story. So, he has to go with "misdirection".  He has *got* to get her
>focused on something else.  What's as visceral as Lois' investigative
reporter
>imperative?  Her temper <g> Have Clark, in your story, consciously decide
to
>use her temper against her to keep her off balance and out of danger.
>

You know, I hadn't considered that but now that you raise this possibility,
there's some support for it.  The one thing that Clark *does* say that
indicates he knows he's done something he should regret ;) is when the guy
at club back door says something like, Well, that's the last we'll hear
>from her, and Clark says,and I think, rather ruefully, Speak for yourself.
And we have a demonstration of this technique (making Lois so furious at
Clark that he can undertake an undercover operation at the Star) in The
Rival.  Not precisely the same thing, but it does show he sure does know
how to push her buttons. ;)

Other than that, I have to say that Clark in IGACOY seems pretty
unrepentant at the end of the episode. Lois has forgiven him (she did get
her story and the pleasure of saying 'I told you so' to Clark, which always
helps) and the only thing that really seems to matter to him is getting her
to admit she was jealous of Toni Taylor.  So, if you want to make him seem
less of a jerk (albeit an awfully cute one <G>) in a fanfic centered around
this story, I think you've really got your work cut out for you. :)

Georgia
gwalde14@mindspring.com
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At Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:20:00 EST Zoomway said:
>In Fly Hard,
>it was almost a bit embarrassing that Clark had plans to go to the movies
with
>a teenager while Lois and Lex came in dressed to the nines for the opera
>looking like grownups by comparison.

Okay, you know how I hate to ask dumb questions<g>  But this I didn't "get".

Why is it more "adult" to dress up in tuxedos, formal dresses, etc. and go
out with someone because they're rich and powerful and look "good", than it
is to go out with someone who you share interests with?

Margaret
TDOCK, as if you hadn't already figured this out;)

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Ottawa, Canada
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Since I'm kind of new I have one question. What are the Martha chronicles &
how can I get them? Okay those are two question but I really want to know
the answers.

Wendy
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Subject: Martha Chronicles 1

Dear Christy Kubit and all the other Folcs :),
since the email address I found in your story bounced back a few times, I
decided
to send my feedback for your new Story "Martha Chronicles 1" to the list and
I
hope you are a member here. :-)

I seldom write feedback to stories, simply because most of the time I'm too
lazy
to do it, but your first story about Martha was so good, I couldn't help
myself
wanting to thank you for it.
I loved every second and spent a wonderful evening yesterday reading it. I
really
hope you'll post the second part soon! I can't wait to see Jonathan and
Martha
meet again!

One short note though: Obviously there are a few lines missing in the story.
It's
when Ruth and Martha go to their room together at Martha's first evening in
Kansas. Maybe you could check on that?

take care
Nicole
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
NKWolke@t-online.de
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Public Service Announcement! <g>

Ok ok.. it's a whiny post because my email address changed, but we can
pretend... ;)

Much to my eternal dismay (I had actually become so comfortable with life
in general ;P) .. my ISP fell victim to a buy-out by a much larger, much
more powerful internet mafia presence, with far greater connections than
any mere mortal among us... yadda yadda yadda, needless to say... they
CHANGED MY EMAIL ADDRESS. Help Mommy! ;)

It was inevitable I suppose, I've never managed to keep an internet email
address for longer than a couple of years at a time.  Unfortunately this
time my usual name 'demona@whatever' was taken (SOB!) -- so I had to
settle.  I can now be reached at either of the following addresses:

nightangel@home.com
demi22@aol.com

('nightangel' is in place of 'demona' who was representative of Goliath's
Angel Of The Night on the late great animated series, back in the mid
nineties when the series was still 'great' <g> -- No, my name is not
"Demona" -- I know that some of you thought it was, but it's just not.. ;)

So for those who still wish to reach me, this info was for your address
books. :) I've already resubscribed to all my lists, and you'd be amazed at
how many email forwards I had going out there (I was!<g>) for the web
pages, and everything else.  Yeesh. ;)

Thanks for the chatter-bandwidth!

Take Care All,
Demi aka Demona ;)

___________________________________________
Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/

"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')
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At 6:54 PM -0800 3/16/99, GhettoQueen wrote:
>Since I'm kind of new I have one question. What are the Martha chronicles &
>how can I get them? Okay those are two question but I really want to know
>the answers.

The first part of "The Martha Chronicles" (called "The Martha Bums") was
posted to this listserv a few weeks back ... in February, maybe?  It can be
found in the archive for this listserv at:

http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html

It can also be found in the L&C Fanfic Archive under "What's New".  It was
added to the Archive this past weekend.

Kathy

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In a message dated 3/16/99 7:32:15 PM Central Standard Time,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

<< Why is it more "adult" to dress up in tuxedos, formal dresses, etc. and
go
 out with someone because they're rich and powerful and look "good", than it
 is to go out with someone who you share interests with? >>

You misunderstood, it's not just about clothing, if it were, Perry with a
cap
containing dual beer dispensers would look like an escapee from the drunk
tank
<g> Though I think the choice of clothing as well as what Lois and Lex and
Jack and Clark would be doing "date-wise" were deliberate choices by the
writer. This leads to something anecdotal.  When I was 15, I had a crush on
a
boy who was a year older, and I didn't expect him to notice me, but
nevertheless, I had a crush on him. One evening some friends and I were out
in
the front yard acting like idiots <g> We were covered in mud and spraying
each
other with a hose, and then, there was "the guy"!!  He was dressed nice, had
a
girl with him also dressed very nice, and they were going to a dance.  I
suddenly felt like I was five years old by comparison.  I was embarrassed
that
the only time I got to see him away from school, I looked like I'd been
having
mud fights with the neighbor kids (basically I had;)

In the same vein, that's how I saw Clark.  It wasn't about Lex being rich,
powerful or in a tuxedo. It wasn't about them going to the opera, quite the
contrary, *they* could have been the couple going to the movies.  It was
about
how the situation presented itself, and again, it seemed a deliberate
choice.
My post was definitely not an attack on Clark, so no overt TDOCK action is
needed <g> I felt sorry for Clark. Lex was depicted as the hero and Clark
got
the brunt of Luthor's lines "we can't all be heroes" and "we know what Mr.
Kent is made of."  Sheesh, if Clark hadn't done a "super" escape from his
handcuffs and saved Jack, Jack would have kept his low opinion of Clark's
actions throughout the episode.

That brings me to the Clark and Jack buddy show! ;)  When it was hinted that
Jack might have figured out the secret, I can't tell you how glad I was Jack
never returned in second (or any other) season <g> The whole thing started
to
stink of Batman and Robin, and it was pretty insulting that he figured out
something in two episodes that Lois wouldn't figure out for another 22 <g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 04:20 PM 3/16/99 EST, The Zoomway wrote:
>Have Clark, in your story, consciously decide to
>use her temper against her to keep her off balance and out of danger.
>
>Have Clark holding Lois over his shoulder and thinking something like,
"What
>can I do to really tick her off? Nothing short of a four alarm temper
meltdown
>will keep her mind off this story.  Hm, she hated the smack on the rear"
>SMACK "okay, good, I can almost feel her blood boiling. What else?  Ah,
clean
>garbage or messy garbage?" SPLAT. In approaching Clark's out-of-character
>behavior as *deliberate* on his part, an act to make Lois mad at *him*
instead
>of letting her lapse back into "mad dog Lane" reporter mode, it can work.
>Have him repeat the bad attitude at his apartment, again, so that he can
>deliberately stoke her temper.  I think the motivation can work on that
level.

Wendy, I think this might work.  Clark could make a rueful reference to his
decision to use her temper to distract her from her Mad Dog Lane approach to
this story and his initial surprise that she didn't get over being mad when
the story was done.  That could lead into his realization of exactly what
his actions looked like from her perspective--and that he went way overboard
in trying to protect her, especially when he didn't really have a right to
do so.  (Not bad; it foreshadows the conflict discussed in the last scene of
WIEAK.)  Anyway, it might be work thinking about.

>>So, if you want to make him seem
less of a jerk (albeit an awfully cute one <G>) in a fanfic centered around
this story, I think you've really got your work cut out for you.<<

Thank God you don't have to do that!  All I asked for was a reasonable
motivation for Clark's behavior, and Zoom came up with one.  Clark can still
look like a jerk (which even I, TDOCK that I am, have to admit) over his
behavior.  In fact, your point is that he finally recognizes that he was
one, which is good.  Another of those times when Lois can think that he's
"so *dumb*!"

>I'm not trying to put down St. John as a writer, but her characterization
>choices often baffled me ;)

That's okay, Zoom; I'll put her down for you.  She may be a pro while I'm a
rank amateur, but I thought she did some awful things as far as L&C
characterizations went.  Luthor is an obscenity in the pages of humanity,
and I *hated* the way she always made him look more supportive of Lois than
Clark was.  In her eps, Clark didn't even act like Lois's friend, much less
the man she considered her best friend.

I just needed to get that off my chest.  I'm writing about Lex right now,
and it gets to me sometimes :P

Sheila
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At 08:44 AM 3/16/99 -0800, Rachel Ernst wrote:
>Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on during the filming of
>Stop the Presses that made it different from other episodes?

Rachel, what I was referring to was that Dean refused to do the "Superman in
the missile silo" scene as written, that is, with Lois rescuing him by
crashing her jeep into the silo to let sunlight in.  The change, where he
saved himself, made for a dragging scene in which Lois's arrival was a total
anti-climax.  Worse, however, is that Teri was angry about it, and she took
her feelings out on the final scene.  There, instead of getting a loving,
romantic ending (like we fans had been agitating for), we got a scene that
felt cold and abrupt, with none of that incredible chemistry that normally
showed on the screen between Teri and Dean.

If you want more details, you'll have to ask Zoom, who, I believe, got her
information from one of the writers.

Sheila
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I had ah kinda of a thought.  I am feeling like a first grader here. Even
with the great instructions, I'm lost.
I am soooooooooo new at this that it is frightening. Thanks for trying to
help but ..............

        Brenda
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I hope you all enjoy this.  It's definitely a change of pace from my usual
badfic ;)

I Believe In This Love
by EmmyRose

You might call it a love that transcends all of time
That can never fade like the day into night.
Some stories are told of a faraway place
Where a maiden is rescued by a great shining knight.
The bond that they share is stronger than steel,
Not built on illusion but something quite real.

I believe in this love.

They started as partners, much like others do
And grew to be friends of the forever kind.
Working as a team, in the midst of much trouble
It was not hard to see there was romance to find.
The secret he kept could have torn them apart
But, instead, it brought love very close to his heart.

I believe in this love.

It hasn't been easy for this dynamic couple.
They've battled the most evil forces that exist.
But who can explain the magic that happens
When soulmates connect with a passionate kiss?
Through travelling time, they found love was true
And pledged their devotion with a blissful "I do."

I believe in this love.

Villains and clones and scientists gone mad
Have given them cause for worry and doubt
But try as they may to break them apart,
They can never succeed--it's what love's all about.
It carries you through when the moment's most dark.
That's part of the magic of Lois and Clark.
**********

Feedback most welcome!

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~~Emmy~~

I'm just writing to tell you that I think your poem was great !!
I loved the repeated "I belive in this love" used throughout the poem to
tie the verses together.

And it rhymed ! Wow !! I can never get my poems to rhyme. Or I think of
really lame rhymes.. like "I talk in rhyme, all the time". Things like
that =) But the rhyming in the poem really fit in, giving it a great,
easy rhythm and didn't sound forced or like you were trying too hard to
find words.

OK, That was my 2 cents worth.
Also; is anybody here from Queensland, Australia ? If so please, please
please e-mail me ASAP, I need to ask a REALLY important (L&C related
question about this rumour going around about it being on in Sunday.
It's been confirmed that Lois and Clark WILL be aired on Sunday, Noon on
Channel 9 in NSW this weekend (yay), but I REALLY need to know about QLD
but can't a TV Guide that will take me up to Sunday ! (I have a bad
feeling they'll be showing cricket)

--Tanya

>
>I hope you all enjoy this.  It's definitely a change of pace from my
usual
>badfic ;)
>
>
>
>I Believe In This Love
>by EmmyRose
>
>You might call it a love that transcends all of time
>That can never fade like the day into night.
>Some stories are told of a faraway place
>Where a maiden is rescued by a great shining knight.
>The bond that they share is stronger than steel,
>Not built on illusion but something quite real.
>
>I believe in this love.
>
>They started as partners, much like others do
>And grew to be friends of the forever kind.
>Working as a team, in the midst of much trouble
>It was not hard to see there was romance to find.
>The secret he kept could have torn them apart
>But, instead, it brought love very close to his heart.
>
>I believe in this love.
>
>It hasn't been easy for this dynamic couple.
>They've battled the most evil forces that exist.
>But who can explain the magic that happens
>When soulmates connect with a passionate kiss?
>Through travelling time, they found love was true
>And pledged their devotion with a blissful "I do."
>
>I believe in this love.
>
>Villains and clones and scientists gone mad
>Have given them cause for worry and doubt
>But try as they may to break them apart,
>They can never succeed--it's what love's all about.
>It carries you through when the moment's most dark.
>That's part of the magic of Lois and Clark.
>**********
>
>Feedback most welcome!
>
>EmmyRose
>emmyrose@sprint.ca
>

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At 11:22 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Sheila wrote:
>At 08:44 AM 3/16/99 -0800, Rachel Ernst wrote:
>Rachel, what I was referring to was that Dean refused to do the "Superman
in
>the missile silo" scene as written, that is, with Lois rescuing him by
>crashing her jeep into the silo to let sunlight in.  The change, where he
>saved himself, made for a dragging scene in which Lois's arrival was a
total
>anti-climax.  Worse, however, is that Teri was angry about it, and she took
>her feelings out on the final scene.  There, instead of getting a loving,
>romantic ending (like we fans had been agitating for), we got a scene that
>felt cold and abrupt, with none of that incredible chemistry that normally
>showed on the screen between Teri and Dean.

I don't question this evaluation of what finally ended up on the screen, or
the reasons for it, but I think some of the blame has to be put on the
writer.  Dean had a point: the scene as set up, made Superman look
ineffectual to the point of idiocy if he didn't rescue himself (Zoom wrote
about this in describing how the Press brothers just stood there and did
nothing, so Superman should have had plenty of time to do it) so having
Lois save him by happenstance might have gone a bit overboard.

In my opinion, both characters (and actors <G>) would have been better
served by having the rescue come from a combination of actions, not just
Lois fortuitously providing the life-saving sunlight.  Maybe the problem
arose too late to be re-engineered, but it's a shame that it couldn't have
been fixed, since the idea that Lois was willling to drop everything to go
to Clark's side when she realized he was in trouble was also what the scene
was about to me, as well as that it often took both of them together to
achieve a goal.  The flat ending of STP is one of the few things in the
series' whole four years that inspired me to post even a slightly negative
reaction ;) so you can imagine how much it got to me, the lowest of the
low-maintenance FOLCs. ;)

Georgia
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At 07:23 AM 3/17/99 -0500, Georgia E. Walden wrote:
>I think some of the blame has to be put on the
>writer.  Dean had a point: the scene as set up, made Superman look
>ineffectual to the point of idiocy if he didn't rescue himself.
><snip>
>The flat ending of STP is one of the few things in the
>series' whole four years that inspired me to post even a slightly negative
>reaction ;) so you can imagine how much it got to me, the lowest of the
>low-maintenance FOLCs. ;)

Don't get me started, Georgia.  :)  I remember how disappointed I was as a
fan when I saw that last scene--and how it terrfied me as a
wanna-be-screenwriter.  The thought that the director or actors could
sabotage a romantic scene so effectively was a real revelation.

I was upset about the entire episode, though.  I hated the way that Lois
just dismissed Clark's feeling about the story and *forbade* him to work on
it instead of telling him he could do it after his other assignments were
done.  Then when Jimmy brought in the proof that Clark had been looking for,
she *confiscated* it, like--like a Gestapo officer or something.  Then she
read his research, solved the whole thing, rushed off to save her little
Clarkie in the nick of time--as the script was written.  Can you tell that
the concept infuriated me? :)  The only reason Clark needed saving was
because *she* had sabotaged his efforts to solve the problem himself--which
I just now realized sounds a lot like IGACOY, only from the other direction.
Then, to add insult to injury, she never did admit that she had been wrong
about the story or apologize for confiscating the research he had asked for.
(God, that really *is* like a 4th season version of IGACOY!  Of all the
episodes, STP came closest to making me hate Lois.)  Follow that with a
completely flat ending, and you had a very unhappy FoLC.

The idea of showing Lois and Clark's first major fight after their wedding
was a good idea, but I've read tons better in fanfic--stuff that showed the
*personal* conflicts that might arise between them rather than the
professional ones.  I dunno; maybe the writers thought L&C's pairing was too
perfect--that they'd never have anything to argue about.  Of course, who am
I to say anything?  I have the dickens of a time myself trying to make L&C
fight about anything. :)

Sheila
(who seems to have emerged from lurkdom with a vengeance.  Oh, I see what it
is.  I'm having trouble with a scene, so I'm stalling...)
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In a message dated 3/17/99 2:23:03 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US
writes:

<< The only reason Clark needed saving was
 because *she* had sabotaged his efforts to solve the problem himself--which
 I just now realized sounds a lot like IGACOY, >>

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was disappointed in this episode.  And I
think part of theat was because, as you point out here, the episode ignored
all the growth that both Lois and Clark had gone through in the first three
seasons and made them act like they did in season 1.

I don't know if I mentioned this but some time ago one of the guys on the
Superman newsgroup wrote about the drop in ratings in the fourth season,  He
pointed out it didn't take place immediately after the wedding. He didn't
like
this episode either and attributed a lot of the drop to this episode.

Charlotte - I can't believe I'm not alone -usually my opinions are so far
out
they might have come from a Kryptonian.
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<< I seldom write feedback to stories, simply because most of the time I'm
too
lazy
to do it, but your first story about Martha was so good, I couldn't help
myself
wanting to thank you for it.
I loved every second and spent a wonderful evening yesterday reading it. I
really
hope you'll post the second part soon! I can't wait to see Jonathan and
Martha
meet again! >>

Wow! Thank you. Unfortunately, the second part of the story is pretty far
from
being finished. I've gotten to a point where I don't know what I want to do
with it; I've been so stumped, in fact, that I've taken out another half-
finished fic to work on instead. I'd like to finish it but things just
aren't
working right now.

<< One short note though: Obviously there are a few lines missing in the
story. It's
when Ruth and Martha go to their room together at Martha's first evening in
Kansas. Maybe you could check on that? >>

I see what you mean. Thanks for letting me know. I'm not sure what happened
there since all appears normal on the copy of the story I thought I
submited,
but I'll have to send those missing lines to Kathy or someone. Thanks again
for the feedback-- feedback to the list, too, even if by default <g> This is
maybe the first or second time I've gotten feedback through the list :)

-Christy
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Hi Melody,

And thanks for your email! It's lovely to get feedback, especially
when it's as nice as yours.

And thanks for your comments about Clark's actions in IGACOY as well;
a few people have now suggested that 'getting his own back' angle,
and it worked for me. So well that I finished the rewrite yesterday,
using that as my justification. I saw what Zoomway had to say today,
and although I find it interesting, it didn't quite work for me. Ah
well!!

Thanks again, and best wishes,

Wendy
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Watched Virtually Destroyed last night and I must admit that Dean did a
great job writing the ep.  I wondered if he was really sore after doing
all the action scenes - more than usual I am sure.
Any ideas?
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I've been spending a lot of today (while I was supposed to be
delivering lectures, marking essays, giving presentations on the
degree course etc etc...) thinking about Zoomway's suggestions as
augmented by Georgia and Sheila.

First, I'd like to thank everyone who has responded to my call for
help - for me, this list has really come into its own over the last
few days. It's great to see authors and readers helping each other,
and I hope I'll be able to return some of the help I've been given,
one of these days. Besides the discussion on the list, I've had a
number of people mail me privately; I hope I've managed to thank
everyone who did, but if not, please let me assure you that I am
grateful!

I liked Zoom's suggestion that Clark's actions were motivated by a
desire to channel Lois's anger in a particular direction, in order to
prevent her getting into trouble. It's very interesting... but I'm
not sure that it worked for me. I could see it working with late
first-season or second-season Clark, because by then he had matured,
grown in confidence and also learned in much more depth how to
understand Lois. At this stage in first season, I see him as unsure,
making mistakes, giving in to impulses (though not to the same degree
as Lois) which might perhaps be ill-advised.

Therefore, I'm more inclined to agree with those people who suggest
that the pat on the backside was due to an impulsive desire to 'get
his own back' for some of Lois's snide remarks to him - perhaps even
for her sarcastic criticism of him for failing to pretend that they
'were sharing some fleeting moment of passion' - and the implication
that he had been too stupid to think of it. I think the smirk could
be explained by this as well. He thought he'd take the opportunity to
take her down a peg or two, much as he did with the Godzilla toy in
NB.

Well, at any rate, that's what I decided to go with. Disagree if you
wish... that's what debate is all about!

Best wishes,

Wendy

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Hi guys,

For a fanfic I'm working on that has a pregnancy in it, I'm looking for
suggestions for weird and wonderful food cravings.  I'd rather not use
the standard dill pickle and ice cream craving - although when I was
pregnant, I loved dill pickles with orange juice!  I'm hoping for some
ideas that are easily accessible in local restaurants or fast food
places but combinations of foods that would not normally be found
together.

I'm looking for weird as opposed to gross and definitely not
humiliating.  This is Lois we're talking about so no frog's legs.  I
don't think we need any reminders of frog-eating clones!! LOL!

Any and all suggestions are gratefully accepted.

Thanks, Irene
P.S.  Also, if anyone could tell me what a maj pit is (Jimmy and Angela
went through it twice at the Pearl Jam concert in The Phoenix),  I would
appreciate that too.

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>Rachel, what I was referring to was that Dean refused to do the
"Superman in
>the missile silo" scene as written, that is, with Lois rescuing him by
>crashing her jeep into the silo to let sunlight in.  The change, where
he
>saved himself, made for a dragging scene in which Lois's arrival was a
total
>anti-climax.  Worse, however, is that Teri was angry about it, and she
took
>her feelings out on the final scene.  There, instead of getting a
loving,
>romantic ending (like we fans had been agitating for), we got a scene
that
>felt cold and abrupt, with none of that incredible chemistry that
normally
>showed on the screen between Teri and Dean.
>
>If you want more details, you'll have to ask Zoom, who, I believe, got
her
>information from one of the writers.
>
>Sheila

Well, that certainly clears it up for me. I always wondered why that
ending scene was so, well, lacking <duck>. They usually have such
wonderful chemistry and everything, but it was like they never really
resolved anything. I also thought that Lois' "rescue" was anticlimatic.
Thanks for the info. It makes sooo much more sense now.

Rachel
(one of many, obviously)
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Hi Irene -

How about peanut butter and salad?  (there's a sandwich shop near me
which actually sells that combination!!)

Or pasta with chocolate sauce - thus playing to both our favourite
characters' food preferences? <g>

Good luck!

Wendy

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Irene:
Since this is LOIS, how about chocolate AND chinese food?  I've never been
pregnant, but that seems like a strange combination to me.  Lo Mein with hot
fudge sauce, or Kung Pao Chicken with a side of double fundge crunch bars,
hmmm.

The "mosh pit" is a pit filled with concert goers.  The moshers pass people
along over the heads of the other moshers.  Going through three times would
mean
that Jimmy got passed along three times.
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>From MR. D8A's work email

But if you take out all the interference (Luther, Patrick(well, I =
intend to
drop that particular episode out of the canon in my universe), Deter, &
Mason) than you do not get a good rounding and maturation of character.

"Smooth seas do not a good sailor make." Wal-Mart poster circa 1992.

MR. D8A=A0 A.K.A.=A0 James=20
Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on =
your
own understanding.=A0 In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will =
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path. NIV

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<http://www.geocities.com/area51/starship/7859> =20

-----Original Message-----
From: GhettoQueen [mailto:ghettoqueen@CWIX.COM]
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:25 PM
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Well I can't tell what was said right before the doorbell but I can =
tell you
that I ove the idea of Daniel npt interrupting. I didn't like daniel so
anything that takes him (Luther, Patrick, the doctor that "helped" Lois
throught her amnesis(Can't remeber his name right now) & Mason) out of =
the
picture I'm happy with.
=A0
Wendy

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Hey everyone!
=A0
I just watched "Resurrection" from one of my videos, and I hated seeing
Daniel Scardino, but I saw a part of the episode that inspired me to =
write a
fanfic to change it.=A0 It was the part where Clark is about to explain =
to
Lois why he'd been ignoring her and then the doorbell rang, and =
Scardino is
at the door. Well, i wanted to write one where Scardino does NOT =
interrupt
and Clark gets to explain himslef. I'll start on it just as soon as I =
get
you guys approval and as soon as someone can tell me exactly what was =
said
before the doorbell.=20
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At 8:19 AM -0800 3/17/99, irene d wrote:

>P.S.  Also, if anyone could tell me what a maj pit is (Jimmy and Angela
>went through it twice at the Pearl Jam concert in The Phoenix),  I would
>appreciate that too.

I'm sure a younger fan could provide more specific detail than
30-year-old-me <g> but as I understand it, a *mosh* pit (not maj) is a
throng of kids dancing near the stage.  No seating, just tons of people
milling around, packed in like sardines and dancing like crazy.  They can
get somewhat dangerous since people are really packed in. One popular
activity is to pick someone up and pass them around on the top of the "pit"
-- the person is lying down and everyone in the pit keeps them aloft by
lifting their hands above their heads and holding/pushing the person
around. "Stage diving" I believe is where someone jumps from the stage into
the pit and the people below catch them and pass them around.

If I am wrong, I hope a more with it FoLC ;) can explain further.

Kathy :)

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Yep, Kathy.  You are correct.
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In a message dated 3/17/99 10:22:33 AM Central Standard Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<<
 Therefore, I'm more inclined to agree with those people who suggest
 that the pat on the backside was due to an impulsive desire to 'get
 his own back' for some of Lois's snide remarks to him - perhaps even
 for her sarcastic criticism of him for failing to pretend that they
 'were sharing some fleeting moment of passion' - and the implication
 that he had been too stupid to think of it. I think the smirk could
 be explained by this as well. He thought he'd take the opportunity to
 take her down a peg or two, much as he did with the Godzilla toy in
 NB. >>

Oh I HATE this justification used in IGACOY!  In Neverending Battle YES it
was
justified even *Lois* felt she had it coming. In NB Lois had stolen Clark's
story, Jimmy's idea and another staffer's source.  She was completely out of
control.  Not to mention that Clark even started to warn Lois at one point
about the comeuppance he planned against her, just because he really isn't
"vindictive".  In IGACOY, on the other hand, Lois did NOTHING to justify his
"take her down a peg"  behavior.  It was *her* story *not* his.  Why did he
feel she needed to be taken down a peg?  Shouldn't *he* have been the one
"taken down a peg" for stealing *her* story? (to her point of view since his
cover remained conveniently in tact when he sold her out)  His smug
attitude?
Let me tell ya, when Lois patted Clark's cheek in NB and said "Consider this
a
life lesson" it was *very* smug and patronizing.  Clark was angry and *she*
dismissed it.  Why is Clark's exact same attitude and treatment of Lois in
IGACOY being given not only a pass, but seen as *justified* in some way?

It may just be that the first season flaw of often depicting Lois as
adversarial, waspish and nasty, created a character that was so
unsympathetic
that even when she *didn't* deserve bad treatment she was seen as deserving
it
anyway. There was one fan who hated Lois so much first season she said she
*enjoyed* seeing Lois "throttled" by the bad guy in Fly Hard.  In the end,
perhaps the original fanfic becomes the most honest.  That is, Clark having
no
idea why he treated Lois that way, because in the end, there was no honest
justification for it at all in that episode.

Zoomway@aol.com (the rarely seen subtitle to IGACOY "How much Lois
humiliation
can be crammed in one episode and be totally justified" ;)
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On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:15:38 EST The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM> wrote:

>[snip]Why is Clark's exact same attitude and treatment of Lois in
> IGACOY being given not only a pass, but seen as *justified* in some way?
>
I wasn't trying to justify it in any sort of objective sense, just to
figure out how Clark might have felt at the time that there was some
good reason for his behaviour. But let me assure you, even in the
redraft of the story he does regret it - and boy does he crawl! I
rewrote the conversation in the restaurant too.

>  In the end,
> perhaps the original fanfic becomes the most honest.  That is, Clark
having no
> idea why he treated Lois that way, because in the end, there was no honest
> justification for it at all in that episode.
>
Well... I suppose however much we might criticise Clark - and I do
*not* think he is a saint - I don't think he would do something nasty
purely because he was feeling cranky. Oh well, I'll just have to
resign myself to Zoomway not liking the revised version! (can't win
'em all - <g>)

> Zoomway@aol.com (the rarely seen subtitle to IGACOY "How much Lois
humiliation
> can be crammed in one episode and be totally justified" ;)

Love it!!

Wendy
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In a message dated 3/17/99 9:11:42 AM Central Standard Time,
Cdfisler@AOL.COM
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<< I don't know if I mentioned this but some time ago one of the guys on the
 Superman newsgroup wrote about the drop in ratings in the fourth season,
He
 pointed out it didn't take place immediately after the wedding. He didn't
like
 this episode either and attributed a lot of the drop to this episode. >>

A point on the ratings.  The guy you mentioned is barking up the wrong tree.
I
think it's always fair to hate any given episode, but to try and pin a
ratings
decline on it never works.  Ratings almost never reflect the love or hate of
*one* episode. However a "trend" or "direction" can often be reflected in
the
ratings. That is, when Lois & Clark (due to ABC's mandate) switched to more
"action-centric" episodes at the beginning of 2nd season, the ratings began
a
steady, chartable decline.  From Madame Ex to The Eyes Have It, Lois & Clark
fell 20 rank points.  Then, when the direction was shifted to Lois and
Clark's
romance with The Phoenix, the rise in ratings was also as easily charted.

What was the highest rated episode of first season?  Green Green Glow of
Home?
Pheromone, My Lovely? Honeymoon in Metropolis?  No, The Rival <g>  Was it
the
best of first season?  Not by most fan polls, no ;)  It rated at 21 because
CBS was experiencing its *worst* Winter Olympic ratings and so channel
surfers
found L&C.  Did The Rival persuade them to come back the following week when
CBS programming went back to normal? Nope.

What was the *lowest* rated episode of 3rd season?  Forget Me Not?  Contact?
Oedipus Wrecks?  Nope, it was one of the most popular, Tempus Anyone. The
episode that introduced the "alternate" Clark Kent.  Why did it get the
lowest
rating?  Because it was on opposite the highest rated broadcast of The
Golden
Globes in the history of that awards show.  When someone speaks of ratings
(like the guy you mentioned on usenet) but doesn't take into consideration
the
competition, HUT (households using television), rank, share, and aggressive
promotion or lack thereof from the network,  then that person has come to a
valueless conclusion.

Even from season to season it's unfair and almost impossible to compare Lois
and Clark's ratings with each other.  Within a season, sure, because the
competition throughout that year rarely changes, but from season to season
the
competition Lois and Clark faced from the other networks shifted.  First
season, Lois and Clark was fortunate in that it was up against another
"unknown" and untested show on NBC, the Spielberg produced seaQuest DSV.
FOX
was *not* a big network contender in those days. Their top rated show back
then was The Simpsons and farther down the list was Married with Children,
and
that was about it <g>  CBS had Murder She Wrote, the ratings champ in the
time
slot for 11 years.  However, it got low 18-49 demographics because it skewed
to a much older audience.

Best of all for Lois and Clark back in those days, ABC, *not* owned by
Disney,
was very aggressive in its promotions. Instead of *pulling* Lois and Clark
during February sweeps 2nd season when its ratings kept falling, ABC blitzed
the airwaves with advertising for it instead.  If ABC had its quick trigger
finger and lack of faith back then, well, we'd see The Phoenix, Lucky Leon,
Whine Whine Whine,  And the Answer Is probably "burned off" on the graveyard
of Saturday night with no one watching and the show would have ended there.
Oh well, Eisner said that he wanted to have the Wonderful World of Disney
back
on Sunday nights, then he bought ABC, and since Lois and Clark stood in his
way, he just got rid of it.  What a Mickey Mouse trick ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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Irene

The oddest cravings I had when I was going through one of my pregnancies was
bacon and banana sandwiches - I don't think I can even thing of them now
without feeling slightly sick but there you go, pregnant ladies have to be
indulged.

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Eileen B
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>Hi guys,
>
>For a fanfic I'm working on that has a pregnancy in it, I'm looking for
>suggestions for weird and wonderful food cravings.
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I didn't crave anything weird together, I just craved something I dont
normally like, which is milk. I couldn't get enough of the stuff, I
dreamed about it day and night! I went through gallons and gallons!
Maybe I needed the calcium? So a suggestion I have would be possibly to
have her  crave something odd that she doesn't usually like maybe
becuase of a certain vitamin, mineral, hormone, chemical or whatever
else may be in her body that having this kryptonian growing in her is
depleating her of. Seems I remember being asked on my forms I filled out
to start with my OB doc, asked if I craved anything like paper or non
food substances?! Guess that can happen too if your body is really
depleat of something!

jme
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How about pimento cheese on ice cream?  My best friend craved this with both
children.
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At 09:22 AM 3/17/1999 -0500, Sheila wrote:
>(who seems to have emerged from lurkdom with a vengeance.  Oh, I see what
it
>is.  I'm having trouble with a scene, so I'm stalling...)

<G>  Thanks for pointing this out, now maybe I'll actually buckle down and
work on the story?  Nah, who am I kidding?<g>  I'm much more into
avoidance;)

Margaret

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At 10:42 PM 3/16/1999 EST, Zoomway wrote:
><g> Though I think the choice of clothing as well as what Lois and Lex and
>Jack and Clark would be doing "date-wise" were deliberate choices by the
>writer.

I'm sure she did do it deliberately, but I saw it from a different POV.
(Like this is news, eh?<g>)

In this ep I saw Clark being portrayed as a Big Brother figure to
whats-his-name...oh, yeah, Jack.  I figured Clark isn't likely to be going
out on a date with anyone else but Lois, but since Lois is otherwise
occupied(;p), it appeared to me that he was getting on with other aspects
of his life.

Meanwhile, I thought that Lois was being portrayed as a shallow person who
only admired people by how they looked, what clothes they wore, or how they
were seen by others.  (Cat seemed to get the fuzzy end of the lollypop in
this ep too;\)

>It was about
>how the situation presented itself, and again, it seemed a deliberate
choice.
>My post was definitely not an attack on Clark, so no overt TDOCK action is
>needed <g>

Sorry, I guess I misinterpreted, since I saw this ep as a slam at Lois'
blindness more than at Clark's choice of what to do on a Saturday evening.
(His seemed the more mature choice).

> I felt sorry for Clark. Lex was depicted as the hero and Clark got
>the brunt of Luthor's lines "we can't all be heroes" and "we know what Mr.
>Kent is made of."

These lines alone probably contributed the most to my hatred of Lex (that
plus the time when Lex "saved" Lois in RFASH;p)  [I've hated Lex a long,
long time<g>]

>That brings me to the Clark and Jack buddy show! ;)  When it was hinted
that
>Jack might have figured out the secret, I can't tell you how glad I was
Jack
>never returned in second (or any other) season <g>

No kidding!

On the whole, this was *not* one of my favourite eps;\

> The whole thing started to
>stink of Batman and Robin, and it was pretty insulting that he figured out
>something in two episodes that Lois wouldn't figure out for another 22 <g>

Do the phrases "How *dumb* was she?" or "Galactically stupid!" ring any
bells<g>

Margaret

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In a message dated 3/17/99 4:59:48 PM Central Standard Time,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

<< In this ep I saw Clark being portrayed as a Big Brother figure to
 whats-his-name...oh, yeah, Jack.  I figured Clark isn't likely to be going
 out on a date with anyone else but Lois, but since Lois is otherwise
 occupied(;p), it appeared to me that he was getting on with other aspects
 of his life. >>

Well, Clark was getting on with other aspects of ABC and December 3rd
wanting
to attract the "little girl" demographics that L&C rival seaQuest was
receiving due to teen heartthrob Jon Brandis.  Michael Landes was not
appealing to the preteen set and so Chris Demetral (Jack) was added hastily
to
the cast. He flopped with test audiences, and so did not return with the
cast
2nd season (yea! ;)

>>>Meanwhile, I thought that Lois was being portrayed as a shallow person
who
only admired people by how they looked, what clothes they wore, or how they
were seen by others. <<<

Yes, a hallmark of St. John scripts. Thania single-handedly had the power to
undo great characterization established by say Bryce Zabel who could write
Lois tough, but also vulnerable.  I'm thankful that his vision of Lois and
of
Clark is the one that ultimately prevailed.

>>>(Cat seemed to get the fuzzy end of the lollypop in
this ep too;\)<<<

By this point in the series, Tracey Scoggins was already auditioning for
other
shows. I can't prove it, but I'd bet Tracey wasn't even filming her part in
Fly Hard with the other cast members.  She seemed to be always in a scene
that
didn't require anyone else to be in the same scene with her.  Just a strange
impression I got.

>>>Do the phrases "How *dumb* was she?" or "Galactically stupid!" ring any
bells<g><<<

Yes, every time I see a St. John script <g> Seriously, writing a *lead*
character in a *romance* no less, as such an unsympathetic character was a
serious mistake on St. John's part. Not to mention that "make the bad guy
better than the good guy" approach to writing the villain, and it's really
bizarre <g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 07:38 AM 3/15/99 EST, you wrote:
>I just read a press release the start of pre-production on "The
Unconcerned.".
>>>From the press release: "The Unconcerned" follows Bob Lorenz (Dean Cain),
a
>young ambitious businessman wrongly accused of stealing a large stash of
drug
>money from a ruthless criminal. And according to the press release, the
movie
>has been pre-sold to HBO
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>

Ok..I was kind of looking for LOCATIONS on where Dean Cain is staying in
Montreal.....

Anyone???
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>By this point in the series, Tracey Scoggins was already auditioning
for other
>shows. I can't prove it, but I'd bet Tracey wasn't even filming her
part in
>Fly Hard with the other cast members.  She seemed to be always in a
scene that
>didn't require anyone else to be in the same scene with her.

I was wondering why Tracey left.  I sort of think that it would have
been interesting to have her there when L&C started dating or got
married.  Anyone know why she left?

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My sister just had her second child last Wednesday, Ashley Kristina,
Aaaaawwwww...  Anyway, I've never been pregnant myself, but me and my
sister are so close I got to experience all the pains and cravings of
both of her pregnancies.  My favorite was chocolate icing and peanute
butter on wheat bread and French fries dipped in banana baby food.  That
last one came about a few months ago.  I was eating french fries and she
was feeding Caleb, and it looked good, so we tried it.  Who knew.  Try
ginger snaps and pumpkin pie filling, or Easy Cheese and Star crunch
bars.  My sister had a thing for mixing cheese and chocolate, I don't
like cheese, but a star crunch bar (caramel and rice crispie thing
covered in chocolate) covered in easy cheese is really good.
Ok, Thats enough for me.
Julie

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Julie wrote:

>My sister just had her second child last Wednesday, Ashley Kristina,
>Aaaaawwwww...  Anyway, I've never been pregnant myself, but me and my
>sister are so close I got to experience all the pains and cravings of
>both of her pregnancies.  My favorite was chocolate icing and peanute
>butter on wheat bread and French fries dipped in banana baby food.  That
>last one came about a few months ago.  I was eating french fries and she
>was feeding Caleb, and it looked good, so we tried it.  Who knew.  Try
>ginger snaps and pumpkin pie filling, or Easy Cheese and Star crunch
>bars.  My sister had a thing for mixing cheese and chocolate, I don't
>like cheese, but a star crunch bar (caramel and rice crispie thing
>covered in chocolate) covered in easy cheese is really good.

Can I just say.... EWWWWWW!!!!! <bg>  I'm pregnant (yes, for the 4th time ;)
and I've had tons of friends who've shared their experiences with strange
cravings, but never have cravings sounded so gross!!  LOL!  The biggest
cravings I had with my last pregnancy was Mexican food, especially anything
with chicken it in, and LOADED with sour cream and guacamole.  <g>  I guess
that could be a craving of even a non-pregnant person, though.  :)

I'm so grossed out right now, though, I may never have a pregnancy craving
again.  <g>  Thanks for sharing, Julie! That's hysterical!

Erin  :)
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I've been wondering, after so much discussion about different seasons and
specific eps, exactly what it is that makes each of us "love" or "hate" the
same ep.

I'm beginning to think that it's not the ep itself, or the writers, or the
cast/crew performance that makes you "love" or "hate" an ep, it's what you,
yourself, bring to the ep.

For instance, I don't "love" IGACOY, but I know I enjoyed it.  It has warm
memories, which make no sense at all when the individual scenes are
analyzed, but I really did, and do, enjoy watching the ep.  The same goes
for "The Rival" and "That Old Gang of Mine", "Metallo" and several others
which escape me at the moment.  Gee, I even kind of liked "The
Prankster"<g>  They were *fun* to watch.

I disliked the fourth season (and the latter half of the third season), but
I can't specifically pinpoint "why?".  I just know that when I finish
watching a fourth season ep I have this empty feeling inside, that just
wasn't there in earlier seasons.  It's like I was expecting some beautiful,
special thing to happen and, instead, I got yet another pair of socks.

Perhaps in earlier seasons I didn't have the same "expectations"  so I
didn't find the eps disappointing--in fact I often found them surprisingly
wonderful.  Or, maybe it's that I was expecting *more* from a married Lois
and Clark than any TV show is willing to give.

I don't know.  I just know that some of the eps that "everyone" pans are
some of my favourites, and others that "everyone" loves are ones that I
really disliked.  The only thing I can figure is that my life experiences
have given me a different perspective on those eps, and that may be true
for others.

Anybody have a better theory?

Margaret
Who is still waiting for someone to give her a good example of L&C
character development in season 4.

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Margaret Brignell
brignell@capitalnet.com
Ottawa, Canada
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Date:         Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:12:34 -0500
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