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Date:         Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:39:48 EST
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In a message dated 3/7/99 6:25:48 PM Central Standard Time,
maggie13@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:

<< "Lois and Clark are stagnating at the moment because it's like they threw
 out a sign that said, "We interrupt the growth of these characters for an
 important A plot" We aren't seeing what their married life is like, or how
 it affects them. Out of the 11 aired episodes, there has only been *one*
 where Lois  or Clark/Superman wasn't the direct target of the villain,
 which gives them very little down time for B plots, or even being
 reporters.
 Maybe that's where their passion has gone, they're just too darn tired <g>"
>>

Thanks, Maggie (I have a groupie? ;)  You should have seen my original post
about The Rival <g>   I think some of us who have been in the fandom from
the
beginning, like the characters themselves, *evolve*.  I hated The Rival when
it first aired.  I now enjoy that episode. I think I hated it in the
beginning
because I felt Clark was sort of like he was during his wishy-washy lunch
date
with Mayson Drake, "I care about you, Mayson. I care about, Lois"  Well,
that's tellin' her, Clark! <g>  However, years (and it literally was! ;)
later, rewatching The Rival (I had purposely avoided it to save the
aggravation) I noted that Clark was Clark.  He wasn't being duplicitous, he
wasn't trying to hurt Lois or mislead Linda, he was being what he always had
been to that point in first season, which was a fairly sweet, naive guy <g>

At the dance/bar, Clark compliments Lois on how she looks. Lois,
unfortunately, is *so* upset that she's not going to outdo Linda, she
doesn't
even *hear* his compliment. Linda drags Clark to the dance floor, he even
seems afraid to put his hand on her because she's wearing a backless dress
<g>
The point is, for years I hated that episode based on an initial dislike,
and
so years later, and the victory of L&C getting together, made for much more
enjoyable, mellow reflection  ;)

Believe it or not, it took me a while to warm up to Justin in early second
season episodes, but now he's the *only* Jimmy I picture.  I had nasty
things
to say about second season when it reached *its* midpoint, but now I find
some
true gems in those episodes.  I had nasty things to say about how first
season
ended, and while I still don't care much for how it was handled, it's not
something I get stressed over. Again, having things work out for Lois and
Clark's relationship made up for a lot of things ;)  So, it might be why I
continue, though perhaps fruitlessly, to help those suffering fourth season
distress.  I remember how it felt when I was worried about the show and the
ratings, it took a toll on objectivity.  Now the stress is gone, the ratings
tension is *blessedly* gone -- I just sit back and enjoy the heck out of the
entire series ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (thanks for being my "groupie", Maggie, ya poor kid ya ;)
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Shame on you, Sharon! You made me cry. At 9.15 in the morning, even. This is
unprecedented. Stuart (nice husband) thought at the very least I must have
downloaded major death, doom and disaster into my mailbox. <g>

Seriously, I don't think I've read as satisfying or waffy a NK story since
THE HEIR and its sequels by Piper & Peace.

Well done! me/applauds enthusiastically.

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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PS - There, B - *no* Rich Text, *no* special fonts to muck up your digest!
Haven't I been good? <bg>
LabRat :)

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In a message dated 3/7/99 7:09:40 PM Central Standard Time,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

<< That's my point.  Why is Clark feeling bad?  Shouldn't he have trusted
Lois
 enough (or known Lois well enough) to *know* she wouldn't have encouraged
 Leslie? >>

I think that's because you've misinterpreted *what* was bothering Clark. He
wasn't mistrusting Lois.  He wanted to know how to confront Leslie on this
issue, but not knowing *exactly* what happened, he had no idea how angry or
even *non* angry he should be about what Leslie did. With Lois, what upset
Clark, was that she didn't tell him. They didn't keep secrets from each
other,
and so it seemed as if Lois had broken one of their private promises to each
other.  Lois, however, *did* start to tell Clark, but he got called away as
Superman.  The series is filled with unfinished sentences <g>   At any rate,
this "miscommunication" as you'd call it, didn't last long, nor did it keep
them from doing their jobs.  Lois and Clark were not Tim and Amber Lake.
Lois
and Clark were more like a *real* married couple, and that does mean
disagreements and arguments occasionally.  Even *family* members argue with
each other sometimes no matter how much they love each other.

>>>I'm in agreement with Zoomway's opinion while season 4 was actually in
progress.  The characterization was stunted in season 4.  And, to be
honest, I don't remember *ever* seeing what their married life was like in
the rest of the season.  As far as I can remember, they weren't in the same
room/dimension/body long enough to find out!<<<

Well, at least we can "agree" when lagged by two years <g>  Seriously, I
told
Maggie in the other post, my feelings and opinions for specific episodes or
seasons did change over the years, and sometimes dramatically.  That
includes
fourth season. However, even back then, I loved individual episodes
regardless
of a midpoint view of the season itself. However you have said you didn't
like
much of anything from fourth season, so there's a huge fundamental
difference
in our points of view.   For example, back when second season had reached
*its* midpoint, I didn't have a glowing opinion of it either.  The following
is an excerpt from an article I did for the Cybernet:

"..This season has reversed priorities. The plot, Lois and Clark's weakest
point, has become the showcase, which only serves to highlight the poverty
in
the plotting. .."

I was also notorious for having fits about Lois' apartment changing floors
every other episode second season as well.  But, as with fourth season at
*its* midpoint, I loved certain individual episodes within second season to
that point. I enjoyed Wall of Sound,  Bolt from the Blue,  Metallo (yes,
maybe
one of the few second season folc who did ;) That Old Gang of Mine, Seasons
Greedings, and even the Prankster (sue me ;)  As you can see, despite
panning
second season at its midpoint, I still enjoyed more than half of the
episodes,
and the ones I wasn't terribly fond of, had elements I really liked. Even
Cheese..er Chi of Steel had that nice "she's family" comment at the end
regarding Lois and the Kents.

Did I love them unconditionally? Heck no <g> I'm sure I found things I liked
and disliked in all of them.  I even liked a lot of The Eyes Have it
...gasp!
;)  My old posts, if reposted, would reflect more how I felt at the time
those
episodes were actually airing rather than how I feel now, or even how I
might
feel next year.  That *immediacy* can't be recaptured. I can't see them for
the *first* time again, but I can always *rediscover* them, reassess them,
and
in some cases, change my opinion of them.  I believe, or at least I *hope*,
that I never stop noticing new things, or finding some new or interesting
aspect to the episodes or the series as a whole.  That's why my enjoyment of
the series has ceased to fade.  I can go back and see *all* of it as a whole
and not just be stuck with my feelings or opinions of the past. Not just
"characters" evolve over time, but fans can and do as well ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 09:04 AM 3/7/1999 -0500, PJ wrote:

[snip re anticipation... anti-sah-pa-a-shun, it's making me wait, it's
making me - slap! okay, okay...]

>Luckily for all of us, however, we have fanfic :-)  If you want a quick
>fix, you can read a first season revelation story; if you like to be
>teased, you can read Dawning... <g>
>
>PJ
>who does enjoy Dawning

Thank you :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
watching Kissinger rewrite history
to his own liking...
also, I used to watch soaps back in the 60s
about when the Texas craze hit...
my younger brother and sister were watching, too.
Soaps are a good training ground for TV actors
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Jumping in a little belatedly on this thread... like Margaret, I
found Season 4 my least favourite. I *hated* the wedding and
honeymoon episodes, and Toy Story and Family Hour were just
embarrassing to watch. Although there are individual episodes I quite
like in Season 4, it is still the season I least like to re-watch.
Give me 1 and 2 any day!

I know what I do like about the early seasons is the
'will-they-won't-they' feeling (and I'm also a romance novel fan,
which offers me a similar sense of anticipation). In 3 and 4, Lois
was in on the secret - great for some of the earlier Season 3 eps
where she was shown leaning to come to terms with Clark's other
identity. But from then on the series seemed to consist of one
roadblock after another. I can't even say the Aarghh put me off, as
when the series was still running I missed the entire thing! Saw
nothing between Tempus, Anyone and IASWAA.

But other than the random waffle above, like Margaret I can't quite
put my finger on what I disliked about Season 4. Yes, a
higher-than-average number of 'hated' episodes or ones which made me
cringe with embarrassment. Possibly also a number of eps which simply
made me wonder 'why bother' - eg Ghosts. I thought the 'we need some
friends' start to BACALAC was very forced and false. I don't need to
add anything about STP - others have voiced the criticism very
eloquently. I didn't much like AKA Superman (sorry, I know most
people loved the scene under the table, but I found it embarrassing).
MJD/LAC was excellent; the 'Lex Files' trilogy not bad.

Compare this to Season 2 for me, and perhaps I am looking at this in
retrospect: even with the awful villain-of-the-week storylines, I can
see the gradual build-up from friends to almost-lovers, and it is
wonderful to watch. Of course, I could strangle Clark sometimes, not
for his reaction to Scardino, but for his fear of intimacy - that
stakeout scene where he oversees the graffiti artists, for instance:
I mean, REALLY!!

But I remain quite lukewarm about Season 4 as a whole.

Wendy

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Date:         Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:20:16 EST
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Wow, Sharon.....I don't know what else to say.......just......wow.
What a powerful story.  I always thought that what CK would experience on NK
would change him - how could it not?  So many 'Clark comes home' stories
have
been so light and waffy.This one just *feels* more realistic.  Very gritty.
And maybe in a perfect world, a man could go to war and not be affected.
Maybe he could come back home and pick up his life, right where he left it.
But I don't think so.

I wrote and posted "The Heir" before the show returned in the fall to finish
the NK arc.  I was really looking forward to how they would wrap up the
story
line, so you can imagine how disappointed I was at how neatly everything
worked out.  It was just so damned cute and perfect.  That was one of the
main
motivations for Peace and I to write "Healing".  We knew that CK would have
been changed.

You really nailed it, Sharon.  The nightmares, the guilt, even down to CK
wanting to hide his scars from his family.  This was a terrific story and
you
should be very proud of it.

More, more please!
Piper
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At 09:06 PM 3/7/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer of the Week.  She is an
Irish
>Floc who

who might feel sheepish when reading this ad...

>now lives in England.  She, also, is a talented writer who gave a
>very interesting interview.
>
>The URL is............
>http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html.
>
>I hope you have time to drop by and read her interview.
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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 05:58:39 -0700 Debby <debby@SWCP.COM> wrote:

> >The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer of the Week.  She is an
Irish
> >Floc who
>
> who might feel sheepish when reading this ad...

LOL Debby!! When I saw that a couple of weeks ago I did wonder
whether Annie was making a clever observation on the relative
population density of sheep to humans in Ireland    ;)

Wendy
(who comes from Dublin, where there is rarely a sheep to be seen, but
has been held up many times while driving elsewhere in the country
while a flock of sheep crosses the road).

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Okay Margaret.  You wanted to see if you could determine a correlation
between
those who actually liked Seasons 3 and 4, and those who watch(ed) soap
operas.
I liked all four seasons, but especially season 4.  Even in the
"disappointing"
episodes, I found a scene, or perhaps just a moment, that I really enjoyed.
I
no longer have time to watch nor tape daytime soaps, however that was not
always
the case.  I grew up on NBC's Days of our Lives and Another World.  I was a
freshman in college when Santa Barbara went off the air.  I only missed a
few
episodes of the entire 8.5 year run.  I loved Dallas, Falcon Crest, and
Dynasty.
When you are a kid, and you live in the middle of NOWHERE, you kind of have
to
watch soaps if you want to join in the family entertainment.
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Sharon -

Just not got around to reading 'Power to Forgive'. Like the others
who have posted here today, I think it's a wonderful story. Very well
crafted, the emotions almost jumped off the page (well, screen!) at
me. The premise really makes sense, and all in all it is excellent.

I hope you're going to submit it to the Archive?

Wendy
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Sharon, I have to tell you that it was wonderful!!  After reading the first
part
you sent me, I was on the edge of my seat to see how it ended.  Great job!
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Just wanted to say - I just finished Wendy Richard's new fanfic, "An
Ordinary Man".  Wendy, you've done it again!  What a great story!

I urge everyone to read this story asap.  It's very well written and
clears up a number of loose ends between 1st and 2nd season.

Keep writing, Wendy.  I for one, am looking forward to reading more of
your work.

Irene

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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:23:25 PST irene d <sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

> Just wanted to say - I just finished Wendy Richard's new fanfic, "An
> Ordinary Man".  Wendy, you've done it again!  What a great story!

<blushing furiously...> Irene, thank you!! It's really kind of you to
say so publicly, and I'm embarrassingly grateful. I'm glad you liked
it, though I have to tell you that my editor called me 'slimy' and
issued dark and murderous threats across the Atlantic at me once
she'd reached a certain point in the story... (hi Erin  ;)  ).

Anyway, thanks again... such wonderful encouragement should inspire
me to go home this evening and add a few more pages to my monster
100+ page alt-alt-Metropolis epic   <g>

Wendy

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Labrat wrote:
>Seriously, I don't think I've read as satisfying or waffy a NK story since
>THE HEIR and its sequels by Piper & Peace.
>
>Well done! me/applauds enthusiastically.

I heartily agree about this story - I really enjoyed it.  In fact, I'd like
to see a sequel that deals with after Clark having been gone for a year,
how his return coupled with his changed appearance and demeanor might be
accounted for in terms of his attempting to get his life/career back on
line.

On another note, I have two questions for Labrat:  First, "THE HEIR and its
sequels"!!!!????  How many sequels are we talking here?  I only know of one
- The Healing.  Are there more?  If so, please let me know what and where
they are so that I can read them IMMEDIATELY.  Second, I think I remember
reading references to you having written stories, and even think I remember
finding and reading some.  But I can't re-find them now.  The only site
I've found (Anne's site) which lists your name for fanfics, seems to
deadend when I click on your name - that is, I get to a bunch of authors,
but your name is no longer listed as one of them.  Do you have a story
site, and would you mind sharing it?
Thanks, Terry
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Hi everyone,  :)

Over the weekend, we ran into a problem with the Kerth voting ballot that's
on the fanfic archive.  Apparently, the mailing system that was supposed to
be forwarding the votes to me and my voting committee DIDN'T get forwarded
to us, and ALL the votes submitted over the weekend have been lost somewhere
in cyberspace.  :P

So, (and I'm very sorry to do this to everyone) could ALL of you who
submitted votes over the weekend -- from Friday around midnight through
NOW -- resubmit those votes?  The problem has been fixed, but I have no way
of tallying those votes that were lost over the weekend.

Thanks everyone, and I'm sorry things glitched!  I hope to see those votes
>from you soon.  :)

Erin  :)
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>I'd like to read some personal stories by you all out there who didn't
>think they could write before they decided they had an L&C story to tell.
>Me?  I wrote some stories for The Prisoner, and I have worked on several
>newsletters. None of this was paid work but it was good practice.
>
>How about your real-life stories?

I'll jump in here, Debby. :)  I've written a lot for school projects and
always pulled very high grades on research papers (I'm one of those rare,
odd few who loves research papers).  But other than the poetry I've written,
LnC fanfic is the first work I've done that has truly come from my heart and
been an all out labor of love.  I've never thought that I had any great
writing talent (still don't) but I do enjoy it immensely, probably more than
I enjoy anything else (except watching LnC, of course).  I've always had
stories floating around in my head and always wanted to be a writer.  I've
never had the courage to do it though, never thought anyone would be
interested in reading what I have to say.  I really got into writing LnC
fanfic accidentally - by a total fluke.  The newsletter FoLC Central was
running a Halloween Short Stories contest and I sat down in like 5 minutes
and wrote, "Let's Have a Super Halloween" a major "fluff" piece with no
substance whatsoever and just a fun little scene about Lois and Clark's son
picking out a Halloween costume.  I won third place in that contest.  To
some people, third place may not seem like a lot, but to me it was that push
I needed to decide I really wanted to try my hand at fanfic.  It also gave
me the courage to do it.  I've been really shy most of my life and always
cringed when the teacher asked me to read something I'd written out loud, so
submitting that story to FoLC Central was me finally just throwing my fears
to the wind and 'going for it.'  Since then, I have finished 7 other stories
and had tons of feedback that encourages me to keep writing.  I consider
writing fanfic my 'hobby' just like watching LnC is my hobby.  It's
something that I really, truly love doing and something I never really
thought I was capable of until I got involved in this show about a guy and
girl who fall in love and have a Super life.  That's the uniqueness of this
show for me, there is such a wide-spread fandom that it brings out the best
in all of us.  And those of us who never had the courage to try our hand at
writing, finally have.

Whew, that was one long paragraph, so excuse me FoLCs, it's Monday morning,
Mandy :)
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Sorry this is coming a bit late, but I'm just now catching up on all my mail
:)

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>Anyway, this is why I think it is awesome for Clark to be called Clark
>Lane Kent (and Lois would be LoisLK, too).  I'm not a fanfic writer
>(just a very satisfied reader!), but if I were, you can bet I'd
>consider having my version of Lois and Clark share each other's last
>names.  I think that Clark would agree to the new name -- He's the
>type of guy who would want his wife to have her individuality, but
>would also want to share the family name with her.  He's traditional,
>yet understanding of Lois's independence.

I've got this idea down on my "Fanfic Ideas" list and will be covering it
some time in the near future, for anyone that is interested :)

Mandy :)
Who thinks Clark wouldn't mind being Clark Lane Kent :)  And who plans to
keep her last name when she gets married because her Dad is the youngest
Crustner son and I'm his only daughter :)
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>I'd like to read some personal stories by you all out there who didn't
>think they could write before they decided they had an L&C story to
tell.
>Me?  I wrote some stories for The Prisoner, and I have worked on several
>newsletters. None of this was paid work but it was good practice.
>
>How about your real-life stories?

        All my life, I've been denying my love for writing. See, my
sister is the "English one", and I am the "math one". I mean this as that
was her favorite school subject and one in which she excelled (Not that
she speaks/writes English and I don't ;o)). By comparing myself to my
sister, I thought I had no talent at writing.

        In 1995, I began writing poetry in my journal. It was more of a
way to release my feelings than a labor of love, but I did it. Looking
back on those poetic attempts, I sometimes laugh at myself. However, I
can still feel the emotions captured in the words. While my sixth grade
poetry may not be a work of art, it is definetly a way of preserving
memories. Within the last year, I've even shown my poetry to friends.
Back when I was writing it, you couldn't have gotten me to do that.

{Poetry Excerpt: How long is forever?/ I guess not very long/ Or maybe
when we said it/ Forever was just wrong/ So I sit here all alone/ My
tears falling like rain/ I am left here by myself/ To deal with all my
pain}

        In 1996, I began writing on the school newspaper. Out of
embarassment (though my advisor called it modesty ;o)), I refused to put
my name on anything I wrote. This same year, I wrote my first short story
as an English assignment. <g> It was something about an evil jacket that
killed the people who wore it. <g> Hey, I was a silly seventh grader, ok?
<g>

{Short Story Excerpt: There have been a lot of deaths lately, the most
memorable of which all occured in the last month. All three victims were
young girls who attended Mandarin Middle School. As a matter of fact, the
three girls were friends with each other, and, of course, friends with
me. Luckily, no one has figured out how I am involved in their deaths.
Let me explain...}

        The next year, as an eighth grader, I began to try harder at
writing. A poem I entered in a school contest placed. I was pretty
excited. Though, looking at it now, it's pretty icky. <g> Also, my
English teacher encouraged me in my essay writing. I started to recieve
higher grades on my essays. One in particular was important enough to me
that I saved it. ;o)

{Essay Excerpt: (Based on the quote: "Influence your future with a
healthy mind. Your destiny is your decision." ~ Katherine Weber) My
future... my destiny... my decision.... All these things belong to me,
but do I know what to do with them? Do I have a "healthy mind"? As the
end of the school year approaches I am expected to make many decisions. I
must choose my classes, my school, and, let's face it, my future. Each
decision must be carefully considered. One little mistake could ruin all
my plans. With all this responsibility resting on my shoulders, I will
try my hardest to keep a healthy mind so my destiny *remains* my
decision.}

        From there, I pretty much got where I am today. I have written
three fanfics (available on the archive), participated in many round
robin stories, organized and written on the teen round robin (Cooking
With The Kents - nominated for a Kerth. Thanks to all who nominated it
;o)), and currently write a column for FoLC Central. I believe my writing
has improved from the time that I was a hesitant girl who secretly wrote
poetry in her journal to now (when I am just a big ol' writing freak
<g>). As you can see, <g> I never *stop* writing now. Look at all I said
in response to one little question! <g>

and Mandy said:
The newsletter FoLC Central was
running a Halloween Short Stories contest and I sat down in like 5
minutes
and wrote, "Let's Have a Super Halloween" a major "fluff" piece with no
substance whatsoever and just a fun little scene about Lois and Clark's
son
picking out a Halloween costume.  I won third place in that contest.  To
some people, third place may not seem like a lot, but to me it was that
push
I needed to decide I really wanted to try my hand at fanfic.

Awwwww! That's great, Mandy! As a FC columnist and subscriber, I can
honestly say I liked your story. :o)

Congrats if you made it this far <g>
Cristin :o)
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I've been reading 'Lois and Clark' fan fiction for a few months, and I =
enjoy most it very much.  I do have one pet hate, tho', and that is =
'death-fic'.  I hate the thought of Lois without Clark and vice versa. =20

Therefore, I have a favour to ask.  Would the kind writers in Folcdom, =
please put deathfic or some kind of warning at the top of the story when =
it is going to have a sad ending, just for 'saps' like me?  If it is =
possible, could the main archive include some kind of warning system as =
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I would be very grateful.

lcfan,

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>I just turned on TNT, and its on!!!  At the same time too!!  I have no
idea why you guys would think that. ::Shrugs her shoulders::

Sambrea
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I second the Motion!!!!!
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One thing I forgot to mention when giving my tastes in books and the like
was a long time interest in Superman in the comics.  I love delving into
all the different ways my favorite guy and his lady have been portrayed
since 1938.  In honor of ATAI, which aired today on TNT, here's a passage
>from Les Daniels' book, DC Comics: Sixty Years of the World's Favorite
Comic Book Heroes (Little, Brown and Co., 1995).

*       *       *

Scholarly fans know that kryptonite, the radioactive substance so menacing
to Superman, was introduced on the Superman radio show in 1945. Kryptonite
was also a key element in the 1948 movie serial Superman, but oddly enough
did not show up in DC's comic books until 1949. This strange state of
affairs suggests that DC resisted the kryptonite concept, only giving in
when the idea had achieved public acceptance on a wide scale. In fact,
little-known evidence exists to prove that DC could have introduced this
menace to Superman much earlier, but instead decided to turn it down.

Around 1939 or 1940,  Superman's creator Jerry Siegel wrote a story that
has never been published. Siegel's typed script still exists, as do pages
of inked and lettered artwork from his partner, Joe Shuster. Siegel's first
caption announced that the tale was "guaranteed to leave you gasping." In
fact, it appears to have caused a few gasps among DC editors, who evidently
decided that they  shouldn't or couldn't publish it.

Siegel radically altered his approach to Superman, and kryptonite was the
least of it. Siegel called it "the K-Metal," a glowing green element from
the planet Krypton, and it caused Clark Kent to collapse in pain.
Discovered by Professor Barnett Winton in Mongolia, the fragment in a lead
box wasn't the big problem, however; a huge kryptonite meteor hurtling past
Earth had completely robbed Superman of his powers.

"I know the meaning of pain," groans Superman, "I must be dreaming!" He
concludes that his crime-fighting career is finished, and expects to die as
Clark when he and Lois Lane are left to suffocate in an abandoned mine
along with a gang of crooks. The meteor moves beyond Earth just in time and
a momentous decision is made. To save Lois, Clark reveals his secret
identity and batters his way out of the mine. The bad guys helpfully kill
each other, but the cat is out of the bag:

Lois (as they streak down out of the sky): How foolish you were not to let
me in on the secret! You should have known could trust me! Why-don't You
realize-I might even be of great help to you?

Superman:     You're right! There were many times when I could have used
the assistance of a confederate. Why didn't I think of it before?

Lois (arms around Superman's neck): Then it's settled!  We're to
be-partners!

Siegel planned this tale to run twenty-six pages, twice as long as most
1940 stories, and that may have been a problem. His portrayal of Superman
experiencing agony and despair for the first time is so dramatic that it
may have caused his editors concern. However, it's most likely that the
idea of letting Lois in on Clark's secret is what kept this story
unpublished.  The duel of wits between the pair would be a key component of
Superman's saga for decades to come.

*       *       *

For me personally, the so-called "duel of wits" would have been no great
loss, and I think it's "sweetly ironic" (as Bill Church, Jr. might say <g>)
 that Siegel's view of Lois was a lot closer to our L&C than to anything
the comics have come up with, even today. They blow hot and cold in the
comics - sometimes Lois is vital, sometimes a pesky little detail - but she
seldom gets to be a *partner.*

Georgia (apologies to the folcs on both lists, and to my long-suffering
friends who've been bored by this story before <g>)
gwalde14@mindspring.com
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In a message dated 99-03-08 17:32:05 EST, you write:

<< Georgia (apologies to the folcs on both lists, and to my long-suffering
 friends who've been bored by this story before <g>)
 gwalde14@mindspring.com >>

No Apologies Nnecessary. I'm a long time Superman Fan. I've been collecting
for 30 years and I've never heard this story before. Thanks.

budmayes@aol.com
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    Hey Elizabeth!
   =20
    I've been reading 'Lois and Clark' fan fiction for a few months, and =
I enjoy most it very much.  I do have one pet hate, tho', and that is =
'death-fic'.  I hate the thought of Lois without Clark and vice versa. =20
    =20
    I sympathise. Deathfic isn't my favorite genre either - although =
there are a good few exceptions to the rule where the emotion transcends =
the maudlin nature of the beast which have made their way into my story =
archive folder on disk.=20
   =20
    Therefore, I have a favour to ask.  Would the kind writers in =
Folcdom, please put deathfic or some kind of warning at the top of the =
story when it is going to have a sad ending, just for 'saps' like me?  =
If it is possible, could the main archive include some kind of warning =
system as well, please.
   =20
    I have often wished for a warning myself when death leaps on me =
unexpectedly from the pages of a fanfic. But the rub is - I think, I =
don't know any of the authors and have never asked them, so this is an =
assumption entirely of my own, you understand <g> - that to post a =
warning in advance is usually to give away a major twist in the =
plotline. I have the feeling that some authors may not wish to tip their =
hand to the reader so soon as the top of the first page and this is why =
most deathfic do not contain them.=20
   =20
    *Personally speaking*, I could do without such plot surprises =
ambushing me out of the darkness and the deathfic I have enjoyed I must =
say were already known to me to be deathfic before I embarked on them. =
So I had entirely myself to blame. But I can understand the author's POV =
too. (Always assuming I'm assuming correctly, of course and they don't =
have entirely different reasons altogether - a sadistic streak for =
instance. :D)
    =20
    LabRat :)
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I've been reading 'Lois and Clark' fan fiction =
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>I sympathise. =
Deathfic isn't my=20
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the rule=20
    where the emotion transcends the maudlin nature of the beast which =
have made=20
    their way into my story archive folder on disk. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Therefore, I have a favour to ask.&nbsp; Would =
the kind=20
    writers in Folcdom, please put deathfic or some kind of warning at =
the top=20
    of the story when it is going to have a sad ending, just for 'saps' =
like=20
    me?&nbsp; If it is possible, could the main archive include some =
kind of=20
    warning system as well, please.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>I have often =
wished for a=20
    warning myself when death leaps on me unexpectedly from the pages of =
a=20
    fanfic. But the rub is - I think, I don't know any of the authors =
and have=20
    never asked them, so this is an assumption entirely of my own, you=20
    understand &lt;g&gt; - that to post a warning in advance is usually =
to give=20
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authors may=20
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first=20
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</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia =
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>*Personally speaking*, I could do =
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deathfic I have=20
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embarked=20
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    author's POV too. (Always assuming I'm assuming correctly, of course =
and=20
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    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>LabRat =
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>Doc. Klein's LabRat</FONT></DIV>
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At 02:16 PM 3/7/1999 -0500, Margaret B wrote:

>I will admit that my "disappointment" with season 4 has skewed my
>perceptions.  I've only just come to realize that out of the 22 episodes in
>season 4, Lois and Clark were married for *19* of them!  It didn't seem
>like they'd been together for that many episodes (I'd have guessed half a
>dozen eps at the most<g>).  I guess with all of the times they were in
>other bodies, other minds, other dimensions, in jail, suffering from red
>kryptonite poisoning, and what-have-you, they didn't seem like a married
>couple for all that long;\

Good point. I don't think we got to see them simply enjoying each other
very often. I guess it wasn't "must-see-tee-vee", but I would have liked to
see them play hookey from work and have a late springtime picnic in the
park (preferably Glacier National Park), or visit a fair, or go to a
museum. If there has to be an adventure, let them stumble across it and not
be personally involved or personally in danger. Let the evil villain say,
"Huh, who are *you* two????" Oh, well.

Debby
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in Albuquerque
where the storm that came through last night
did drop a wee bit of snow in the mountains...
and where we *don't want* good weather for a while! :)
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At 05:29 PM 3/7/1999 -0600, Jessi M. wrote:

[snip]

>    Thinking quickly and reacting quickly aren't neccasarily the same
>things.  I know of plenty of people (myself included) who have no
>trouble coming up with a solution fast enough, but if they've got a
>soccer ball coming toward they're face, they better hope that it's not
>going to hit anything too vital, because there's no way they'll react
>fast enough to move.  It appears that with Clark, it's visa versa.  They
>guy can react fast (How many people do you know that react fast enough
>to catch bullets) but his problem solving skills seem to be right down
>on our level.

Good observations. Clark can fly and read at the same time, almost (Madame
X) and he can carry things without dropping them as well as catch things in
mid air. One wonders if it took him long to figure out what he wanted to do
with Lois Lane after he started catching her... ;)

There's a list idea for list makers: list the times & episodes Superman
rescued Lois, Lois rescued Superman, Clark rescued Lois, Lois rescued
Clark, and Clark (said he?) rescued Superman... and "rescue" can be defined
however you want it :)

>Jessi
>jessi914@hotmail.com

Debby
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Hello,

I want to apologize to this week's Featured Writer, Karen Ward, for posting
Wendy Richards Featured Writer's announcement to the listservs as her
announcement.

Mistakes happen and I goofed.

Annie Lansbury :/
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>>I just turned on TNT, and its on!!!  At the same time too!!  I have no
>idea why you guys would think that. ::Shrugs her shoulders::
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>Sambrea

I think the rumor I heard was it was going off tv at the end of the
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Debby wrote:
>I'd like to read some personal stories by you all out there who didn't
>think they could write before they decided they had an L&C story to tell.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't write well, but as I discovered a
couple
of weeks ago, it's more enjoyable than I thought.  I had a nasty cold and I
couldn't go outside to run, or even drive anywhere.  So, I sat at home, and
wrote a few fanfics.  This may explain why in places the stories don't flow
as
well as I would have liked.

Like Mandy, I also kind of got a kick out of research papers.  They were the
only writing that I ever did.  After a while, and a couple of really GREAT
teachers, I actually became quite good at it.  I still love my Power Point.
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At 12:07 PM 3/8/1999 +0000, Wendy Richards wrote:
>Jumping in a little belatedly on this thread... like Margaret, I
>found Season 4 my least favourite. I *hated* the wedding and
>honeymoon episodes,

Oddly enough I didn't actually mind them at the time.  Although,  I will
admit I've never rewatched either a second time.

> and Toy Story and Family Hour were just
>embarrassing to watch.

You got that right!

> Although there are individual episodes I quite
>like in Season 4, it is still the season I least like to re-watch.
>Give me 1 and 2 any day!

There's also some early eps in Season 3 that are great too:)

<snip>
>In 3 and 4, Lois
>was in on the secret - great for some of the earlier Season 3 eps
>where she was shown leaning to come to terms with Clark's other
>identity. But from then on the series seemed to consist of one
>roadblock after another.

Yes, that's one of the things that's bothering me.  Why all the roadblocks?
(I mean from inside the story, forget the studio politics;\)

> I can't even say the Aarghh put me off, as
>when the series was still running I missed the entire thing! Saw
>nothing between Tempus, Anyone and IASWAA.

How'd you manage that?<g>  I watched the Aarrrgh. I actually enjoyed it up
until the end of Seconds.  (I can even understand why Clark stood stunned
in the middle of the street as Lois drove off with Lex at the end of Double
Jeopardy.  I've experienced that kind of emotional shock--action isn't high
on your list of "what to do" at moments like that.  Curling up into the
fetal position seems more appropriate<g>)  I then figured they'd get back
together at the end of Forget Me Not.  Not!  Instead, Clark gets another
one of those "dramatic" emotional shocks:P  (I headed straight for my PC
and sent off a nasty e-mail to ABC.  Not that it had any effect, but it
helped relieve my feelings;)  I actually enjoyed Oedipus Wrecks (even more
so after reading Zoomway's substitution list of characters<g>)  A big part
of my enjoyment was the scene where Lois questions why people are looking
at her strangly and wonders if she's been an ax murderer, or something, and
Clark confesses that he loves Lois and they were engaged.  The
juxtaposition of what Lois feared and the truth was priceless.  (I also
must admit I loved it when Deter almost went off to Tahiti, and Lois
punched Deter in the nose<g>)  When Perry yelled for the calamity train to
stop, I was cheering because maybe this calamitous arc was finally *over*!
I've rewatched EW several times, which is a sure sign I liked it;)

I think it was here that TPTB made another mistake (besides the one where
they prevented L&C from getting married, I mean<g>).  It seemed like they
decided that the best approach for the rest of that season (and the next)
was to put as much pain and suffering into Lois and Clark's life as
possible;p

I can hear those studio execs, now:
Lois can finally remember?  Well, we can't let the viewing public down,
let's make Clark really tiny and unable to have any physical relationship
with Lois.  He survived that?  Shucks!

Well let's just have some evil Kryptonians come down and take him from
Lois.  You say he came back, and beat the bejesus out of those nasty New
Kryptonians?

Okay, let's have some psychopath ruin their wedding.  Dang, you say an
angel came and fixed all that?  Well, we can't have them *happy*, can we?
Let's have Wells come and interrupt their honeymoon!

They managed to get in a honeymoon anyway?  They sure are persistent, ain't
they?  Let's have Lois find out Clark's gonna live forever and get all
upset and melancholy.  They survived that?  Oh, for crying out loud.  What
can we do to make sure they suffer some more?  Well, let's have Lois
convicted of murder and on death row.

She managed to prove her innocence?  Well, galdarnit ain't she the pesky
one!  Let's have them meet some really deadly "friends" with magnetic
personalities.

They weren't as magnetic as all that?  Well, let's have their house haunted
by criminals.  They're not afraid of ghosts?  Okay.  Lemme think a minute.
Okay, let's pretend they're a regular married couple and have them fight.
They didn't?  What?  How'd they manage that?

Okay, I'm really mad, they've asked for it, now.  Make sure some impish
force comes from another dimension and makes them go through hell,
over...and, over...and, over, and....  What do you *mean* they broke the
discouraging cycle!  I'll show *them*!  Have Clark drunk on Red Kryptonite
and unable to control his powers, that ought to do it.  No?!!  Well maybe
they'll suffer more if Superman is exposed as Lois' secret lover.

What?  They managed to survive *that* with their reputations intact?  Well,
let's bring back Tempus and have him suck Clark off into the fourth
dimension, never to return...and just for laughs let's bring in alt-Clark
to show Lois exactly what she's missing<eg>

You mean to tell me Clark survived--that guy has more lives than a cat;p
Let's try someone else.  Hey, we haven't used Jimmy much since the middle
of season 3, let's have someone think he's Superman!

Well, that kind of worked!  Although, there was all that newleywed spew in
there too;p  Hey!  We haven't tortured Lois and Clark in a *whole* episode,
let's have Lex come back.  Can't get Shea?  Shoot.  Okay, let's make it his
clone, no his son, no.... Oh, let the writer's figure it out.  Just tell
'em to make sure Lois and Clark don't communicate.  It'll be great, just
like daytime television.  Everyone loves all that melodrama, remember the
ratings during the non-wedding arc?  Fantastic stuff!

What?  You mean to tell me they survived *that* too?  He froze her again?
Well, they can't get away with that!  Let's have Clark transferred into the
body of a middle-aged guy.  Yeah, that'll be great.  Survived that too, did
they?

Well, they're married now (have been for seventeen episodes), let's have
them trying to have a baby, only they can't because Clark's an alien.
Yeah, that'll be great.  I love this stuff.  If everything works out, we'll
chop off the series just as Lois and Clark are feeling their worst.

WB just called and broke their contract?  Great!  I love it when a plan
comes together!

[And you wonder why I thought season 4 was melancholy<g>]

>But other than the random waffle above, like Margaret I can't quite
>put my finger on what I disliked about Season 4. Yes, a
>higher-than-average number of 'hated' episodes or ones which made me
>cringe with embarrassment. Possibly also a number of eps which simply
>made me wonder 'why bother' - eg Ghosts.

This matches my feelings exactly!  Are you sure we've never met?<g>

> I thought the 'we need some
>friends' start to BACALAC was very forced and false. I don't need to
>add anything about STP - others have voiced the criticism very
>eloquently. I didn't much like AKA Superman (sorry, I know most
>people loved the scene under the table, but I found it embarrassing).

Me too!

Although, I did like the scenes where Lois found out what Clark went
through to maintain his Superman image:)

>MJD/LAC was excellent;

It was just okay for me.  I still can't get past the part about Clark being
exiled to the fourth dimension;p

> the 'Lex Files' trilogy not bad.

I personally hated this arc.  But then again I've always hated Lex.  He
just seemed more "appropriate" as a villain when Lois was single;\

>Compare this to Season 2 for me, and perhaps I am looking at this in
>retrospect: even with the awful villain-of-the-week storylines, I can
>see the gradual build-up from friends to almost-lovers, and it is
>wonderful to watch.

That's what I loved too:)  I think that something that I miss in season 4
is that there was no advancement in the relationship.

Note to all those who *loved* season 4:  If you have great examples of how
their relationship developed in season 4, please share.  Because, me, I
didn't see it happening;p

<snip>
>But I remain quite lukewarm about Season 4 as a whole.

Yep, "lukewarm" just about covers it<g>

Thanks for posting:)

Margaret

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HI Guys!

I was just surfing ebay and noticed on the Lois and Clark stuff for sale
there is a Lois and Clark Crew jacket for sale by the name "coweyhere".
Wasn't cowey the name of the person they thought was Justin Whalin on
that night on mIRC where Dean was said to be there too? (I only know
this cuz of visiting somebodies web page that showed all that was said.)

It's a jacket that he say's was only given to the cast-crew members of
Lois and Clark.
Can't imagine it really being him and that he would sell it on ebay, but
who knows?

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>Hello,

Hi, Annie! :)

>I want to apologize to this week's Featured Writer, Karen Ward, for posting
>Wendy Richards Featured Writer's announcement to the listservs as her
>announcement.
>
>Mistakes happen and I goofed.

If anyone understands that, it's me!!  Don't worry about it -- I didn't. ;)
I was just so excited to be considered in the company of the great writers
featured on your website that it wouldn't have mattered to me what you wrote
in the announcement. ;)

Thanks again for all the fabulous things you've done for FoLCdom! :)

Sincerely,
Karen :)
who's posting this to the list so that everyone will know
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Actually, its last showing will be March12.  A new show, "LA Heat," will be
taking its place.  Time to break out the tapes!!

At 02:06 AM 3/9/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>>I just turned on TNT, and its on!!!  At the same time too!!  I have no
>>idea why you guys would think that. ::Shrugs her shoulders::
>>
>>Sambrea
>
>I think the rumor I heard was it was going off tv at the end of the
>month around the 21st or something.  Of course it was just a rumor . . .
>~ Eilonwy
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In a message dated 3/6/99 7:39:09 PM Central Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<< --no, she *really* said, "When Ching was testing Clark with the dual
bombs,
 he made the point that Clark would not have been able to stop the bombs if
 Lois hadn't given him the idea of 'splitting himself in two.'   One of the
 reasons this incarnation of Superman is so great is that he needs Lois
Lane."
 I wish this weren't true but for the show it was. Lois was the brains of
 the outfit when she was in her right mind. (sigh) >>>>>

Oh, but I think that's the whole point of this version of Superman. If you
want a version where Lois Lane is merely a place holder, there's always the
comic books. She is fairly devalued there <g>  In *this* version however, I
think DJL, right from the pilot, was trying to make the point that Lois
*plus*
Clark equal Superman.  That both are stronger together than apart.  For
example, in the pilot Clark rescued a man in the sewer and the man
recognized
Clark as the man who saved him. Fortunately, everyone thought the man was
delirious.  Lois noticed how messy Clark was and told him to do what she
did,
bring a change of clothes to the Planet. Then later, Clark phoned his
parents
with the idea of needing a disguise.  In Neverending Battle, Clark brought
his
"change of clothes" (Superman costume) to the Planet in a small gym bag.
Even
Superman's first official appearance rescuing the shuttle was due to *both*
Lois and Clark. If Lois hadn't cut the cables causing the countdown to stop,
Clark wouldn't have known it was in trouble.

Also in Neverending Battle, Clark, intimidated by Lex's comments, stopped
being Superman. Lois brought him back. She said that Superman didn't have to
save everyone to prove he was a hero, that what he did was enough, because
it
was the *idea* of Superman that gave everyone hope. In Man of Steel Bars,
Lex
convinced everyone that Superman's "super feats" were causing the winter
heat
wave.  Lois, who had only an unswerving faith in Superman to go by,
disproved
the theory that even Clark had believed.

Clark was also there for Lois when *she* was the one doubting herself.  As
in
The Source and Wall of Sound, "Lois, you are the best reporter in
Metropolis.
You always were, and you always will be."  But much more significant than
that
was what Clark brought out in Lois as a person.  He was quick to encourage
and
support any positive emotion she displayed.  Again, this is easy to see even
in the pilot. When Lois droned on and on with condemnation while they were
chained together, Clark had enough, and freed himself, but when Lois broke
down and became honest, vulnerable and open.  Clark "rechained" himself ;)
Almost a cool metaphor by itself <g>

"I guess when you're in love with somebody, it doesn't matter how smart you
are or how many rules you set for yourself, you're still vulnerable."

That one quote from Clark in the pilot stated almost every truth there was
to
say about Clark himself that would remain true about him throughout the
series.  Clark was definitely smart, but "no *matter* how smart you are
[when
you're in love] you're *still* vulnerable."  Maybe if Clark had never met
Lois
he might have stood a chance of becoming the Sherlock Kent or Clark Einstein
it would have taken to defeat the likes of Lex Luthor.  He would have had
the
unerringly, flawless ability under pressure to make all the right moves,
decisions and choices that would make him the *perfect* hero.   You know,
kind
of like that guy in the comic book ;)

Fortunately for those of us who didn't want a perfect hero, Clark met Lois.
He broke the rules for her, but often, because Lois always protected the
"hero", she tried very hard to keep him from doing that, "but if you help me
by breaking the rules, you're going to damage something you are; a symbol of
decency...of fairness."  She dissuaded him, at least at that point. Clark
would wait, he'd let the criminal justice system have its chance, but when
it
failed, that was it, "I'm taking you out of here." Lois still tried to
dissuade him, "You've spent your life serving justice."  but Clark wouldn't
be
dissuaded this time, "Exactly, and you're innocent, and together we're going
to prove that. Now if that isn't 'serving justice', I don't know what is."
This got back to "being with you is stronger than me alone" (and *together*
we're going to prove that)

Clark not only fell in love with Lois in the pilot, he fell "crazy" in love
with her. It was  clear from the writing and Dean's performance that Clark
was
being portrayed as a man who finally got "bit" by the love bug and had no
clue
how to deal with that. He did the wrong things, he said the wrong things,
and
all the charm he had, and no doubt charm that had not failed him his entire
life, flopped with Lois Lane <g>  He couldn't seem to understand what had
happened to him, he couldn't stop thinking about her. He lurked out front of
Lois' apartment waiting for her to return from her dinner date with Lex.
Then
ran into the alley and floated up to her window to eavesdrop. He probably
couldn't even believe he was behaving that way, but couldn't seem to help
himself either. If the script and acting had been handled less deftly, Clark
might have come off looking like an obsessed stalker <g>

Since the pilot was such a recognizable blueprint for everything that
followed
(writer John McNamara said this as well), it's almost impossible for me not
to
see the pilot and its promises gradually coming true in every season.  I'm
sorry that some fans skip the last chapter, and just as sorry for those who
skip the first, because *every* season contributed to the the story, and no,
not perfectly in any season, but maybe, like Lois, I'm just a little bit
blinded by love ;)

Zoomway@aol.com ("...it's one of the many things that makes your story so
timeless. Why children never tire of hearing it at bedtime, and why parents
never outgrow it ..." ;)
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In response to Elizabeth, LabRat wrote:

> I sympathise. Deathfic isn't my favorite genre either - although
there are a good few exceptions to the rule where the emotion
transcends the maudlin nature of the beast which have made their way
into my story archive folder on disk. <

>> Therefore, I have a favour to ask.  Would the kind writers in
Folcdom, please put deathfic or some kind of warning at the top of the
story when it is going to have a sad ending, just for 'saps' like me?
If it is possible, could the main archive include some kind of warning
system as well, please? <<

> I have often wished for a warning myself when death leaps on me
unexpectedly from the pages of a fanfic. [...] *Personally speaking*, I
could do without such plot surprises ambushing me out of the darkness
and the deathfic I have enjoyed I must say were already known to me to
be deathfic before I embarked on them. <

Well, one possibility, if authors (and maybe the various people who
archive stories, both in the main archive and elsewhere) are agreeable,
is to introduce a system of descriptive codes. This has been done for
other types of fanfics and seems to work okay. The codes might be
something like this:

[DF] Deathfic
[MV] Mild violence
[NG] Next generation, i.e., kids are involved
[RV] Revelation story
[AW] Alternate world story
[EL] Elseworlds
[SM] Soul Mates Chronicles

And so on. BTW, the above codes are only meant to be examples; what
we'd actually use would require a fair amount of thought on
everyone's part as to what is appropriate to indicate.

Labrat may be right to say that authors might object to letting the cat
out of the bag, so to speak, but I wonder -- are there that many
stories that rely so heavily on one big surprise that they would be
ruined if its general nature was known beforehand?

Over to FoLCs in general for discussion.

Phil
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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:07:48 -0500 Margaret Brignell
<brignell@CAPITALNET.COM> wrote:

> This matches my feelings exactly!  Are you sure we've never met?<g>
>
Hey Margaret!! Wonder if we were sisters in some earlier existence?
;)

> >MJD/LAC was excellent;
>
> It was just okay for me.  I still can't get past the part about Clark
being
> exiled to the fourth dimension;p
>
That was bad  :(  - but I do enjoy Tempus (SM apart  :P) ) and I
liked seeing altClark again.

As for Season 3, there were episodes I loved there too (Tempus,
Anyone, for instance... I would rate OP very highly as well were it
not for Spencer Spencer :P). I *hated* WIEAK with a vengeance; not
surprisingly, really, since I'm Irish and WIEAK represented
Hollywood's perception of stage-Oirishness at its very worst. Even
the put-on accents were so false I cringed. Why, when there are so
many talented Irish actors around?

Wendy
(who also loathed that Tom Cruise/Nicole Kidman film... what was it
called?... those accents... eeewwwwww!!!)
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Whew!
I just got done reading this story and it's really good! I cried my eyes out
throughout the whole story!

-Audrey
(who had to come out of lurking just this once!  ;c))
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At 04:50 AM 3/9/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/6/99 7:39:09 PM Central Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM
>writes:
>
><< --no, she *really* said, "When Ching was testing Clark with the dual
bombs,
> he made the point that Clark would not have been able to stop the bombs if
> Lois hadn't given him the idea of 'splitting himself in two.'   One of the
> reasons this incarnation of Superman is so great is that he needs Lois
Lane."
> I wish this weren't true but for the show it was. Lois was the brains of
> the outfit when she was in her right mind. (sigh) >>>>>
>
>Oh, but I think that's the whole point of this version of Superman. If you
>want a version where Lois Lane is merely a place holder, there's always the
>comic books. She is fairly devalued there <g>

[snip remainder]

No, I don't want a version where Lois is devalued; I've never said that and
I hope I've never implied that. It's a false argument.

My argument is that I don't want a version of the tale wherein Clark is
devalued.

It simply doesn't have to be an either/or thing, either Superman is
smarter/wiser/kinder/more human--or Lois is.

I just wanted Clark to show now and then that he has his fair share of
brains. Indeed, I guess I'm one of the few who cheered when Superman saved
himself at the end of Stop The Presses (the only good thing, for me, about
that episode) (though the Presses' idea was clever).

Sometimes it seems that people (particularly TV show writers) think there
are only so many intelligence points to go around. One person has to have
them (say, the wise-cracking kid) while another is sorely lacking (the
put-upon dad). In L&C it seems that giving a few more intelligent points
(or any at all) to Clark meant that an equal number (or more) had to be
subtracted from Lois's share, in which case she reverted to wacky.  Whoopee.

As for the comics, I hardly ever read them unless the story looks very good
and the art is tollerable. I liked the Mxy story in the recent Giant
Annual: Lois was an equal partner in that one and the whole story was
hillarious.

The opposite of either/or is, of course, sharing: Twas the Night Before Mxy
is my favorite episode of season 4 and among my top ten for the series
because it showed CK standing up to one of the, if not the most powerful
villains he's ever faced. Further it showed that he was also smart enough
to know he needed help.  He didn't show this wisdom often enough for me.
TNBM went on to confirm that L&C not only can work very well together but
that they are stronger together, they can save the world, and, who knows,
maybe even inspire Utopia. They are an unbeatable duo using the strengths
they each possessed, without the need for one to be dull and the other
sharp.

All I want out of any show is inspirational use of intelligence by
characters we know and love. A character's failure to use brains and common
sense simply because the A plot demands it isn't, IMO, a good thing for
anyone.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
high maintenance fan :)
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In a message dated 3/7/99 1:39:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, debby@SWCP.COM
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<<
 I wish this weren't true but for the show it was. Lois was the brains of
 the outfit when she was in her right mind. (sigh) >>

I wouldn't go this far.  After all Superman did 'pass' the earlier two tests
without her help.  And the final solution is all Clark/Superman.

In the current comics, Superman is acting crazy (although personally I don't
think  he's done anything out of line and suspect Lex is behind it) and I am
hoping the writer's will make use of Lois Lane's investigative capabilities
in
the plotlines resolution.  If not, I will have to do it for them with my
personal ending.  You see I won't let anyone mess around with my Superman.

Superman/Clark Kent needs someone on his side and I don't think this is
necessarily a bad thing even if they did go a bit overboard in the TV show
which I understand was supposed to star and focus on Terri as Lois Lane.
Thank godness they chose Dean as Superman - not Nicholas Cage - Ughhh!! -
good
actor or not he is not Superman.

Charlotte
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In a message dated 3/6/99 3:02:07 AM !!!First Boot!!!, debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<<
 I'm glad there are a whole lot of good fanfic writers whose work is worth
 reading and rereading :) I bet a good percentage of them didn't realize
 they could write, either, before they sat down to put into words what they
 feel about this show. >>

This is so true.  All my life I told myself partial stories in my head,
daydreams they were.  But I always felt I would never be able to make a real
story with a beginning and an end until I found Lois and Clark, based as it
is
on Superman, my lifelong Superhero, the first and still the best.

When I was invited me to join an internet Superman/Lois and Clark based
listserv,  I said yes without realizing it was a writing group.  But I was
committed so I gave it a try.

I've had a great time writing.  And I discovered I can write real plots if
required for the story. The stories are short, sometimes with not even
requiring an A plot but they are all great fun.  And somehow it all works.

One thing, I once wrote to the discussion group(s) that we put a lot of our
own experiences into reading, watching plays, TV, movies, looking at
paintings, etc. (the entire spectrum of the arts).  I find this is true of
writing as well.  I'm not saying you have to have actually experienced
something to write about it, but all your life experiences help you to write
and understand the arts.

I read and love Heaven's Prisoners (and by the way  I do indeed reread it
over
and over along with other pieces of fanfiction - Dawning is not alone)
because
I understand grief probably more intimately than most of you do (and yes,
Demi, the pivitol events in that story could happen, I know!)

Even my chemical librarian background helps me write.  Science lives in
literature!  And in one story I wrote I 'traveled' to all the wonderful
places
>from human history and culture that I read about and have always wanted to
see.

I use so many things from my long life, things I've experienced, things I've
learned, things I've read and things I believe in.  That makes in my stories
uniquely mine.  And I see in others' literature different experiences and
values coming in to play. This adds so much to the richness of the
experience
of both reading and writing.

I think that's why we who love a limited 88 episode TV show can produced
upwards of a thousand pieces of literature about it.  That and the fact that
I
am thoroughly committed to the principle embodied in the Archive's motto:

"Fan fiction is a way of the culture repairing the damage done in a system
where contemporary myths are owned by corporations instead of owned by the
folk."
Henry Jenkins
Director of media studies at MIT

I use my literature to protect my Superhero from those who would change him
into some kind of a God.  Maybe that's why the Wedding ARC doesn't bother me
as much as it does some of you.  My Superman is not a perfect being, but
rather a mortal with insecurities, who sometimes 'makes the wrong decision
for
the right reason'  (That came from a piece of fanfiction I read, not certain
which one right now-maybe the Gorn's)  Even if Clark's reasons for letting
Lois go with Lex at the end of the second installment were not valid, he
only
had a few seconds to make it and, hey, like Zoom put it so wonderfully,
*you*
try and make the right decision all the time.  Hindsight is always perfect,
but no decision would ever be made if we all waited until we were certain
it's
the right one.

So I can relate to the writers who had to write no doubt with a deadline and
with direction from TPTB to extend the ARC through 5, admittedly
excruciating
at limes painful, episodes.  I tend to focus on the wonderful moments they
managed to include in the ARC.

A little local ps here.  One of the people on the Superman newsgroup (KAL-
ELFan - I think - apoligies if I'm wrong) wote about the drop in ratings and
he indicated it did not happen immediately after the ARC so that was
probably
not the sole reason if it was the reason at all.  I personally think ABC
killed the show with it's shifting of time periods, etc.  That will mess up
even a hit - rather like killing the proverbial goose (And what a wonderful
creature this goose was).  Pardon me while I go cry a few tears.

Charlotte

In conclusion, re writing (pardon my (nonexistent French) Vive Le
Difference!.

Charlotte
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In a message dated 3/7/99 12:07:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Zoomway@AOL.COM
writes:

<< This was not and would not have been the final
 episode planned for the series, but it's very ironic that all of the loose
 ends, though not tied, ended on notes of hope, rather than despair. >>

Not ironic Zoom, wonderful.

Thanks for a really wonderful post.
We need to appreciate what we have/had - not what might have been and maybe
that is what life is all about.

Charlotte
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In a message dated 3/8/99 5:16:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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>
>  Mistakes happen and I goofed.
>

That's okay, Annie... happens to the best of us!  I'm sure no one took it
personally.  You do so much for us, with the Writer's Showcase, that it was
inevitable you make a mistake at some point... shows you're human, and
that's
why we luv ya ;)

-Crys-
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In a message dated 3/7/99 3:04:32 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM
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<<
 I was wondering if it had anything to do with whether or not you like
 watching daytime soaps.  Does anyone who *loved* seasons 3 and 4 *not* like
 soap opera?  And, on the other hand, does anyone who found season 3 and 4
 kind of melancholy actually *love* soap opera?  Inquiring minds want to
know;)

 Margaret
 trying to find order in chaos;) >>

Me.  I loved all four seasons including 3&4 and I never watch soap operas.

<<Many of us loved Star Trek and read science fiction regularly, but being
sci-fi fans
should have made us love early Season 2--which was okay, but not what I
watched L&C for.>>

You described me and my feelings about season 2 perfectly, Sheila.

Thanks,

Charlotte
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Hi FoLCs:

TNT just posted their schedule for L&C and it appears that after 3/14, it
will only be on at the Sunday morning time!

This is really sad news and I don't understand why they are making a change
mid-season, so to speak.  I suppose it is better than taking it off
altogether but I will really miss my daily dose, even though it had been
difficult to make it home in time.

Also, I had been looking forward to retaping THOL with the fixed closing
credits.  Now it seems unlikely that they will be showing that again
anytime at all.

Would an e-mail campaign help, do you think?

Thanks,
Carolyn
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Hi everybody,
Just wanted to say thank you to all of you kind people out there who =
offered to proof read for me.  I'm really grateful for all your help.
Sarah Sandberg
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A discovered a website earlier where you can vote e for all kids of
things.
http://www.freevote.com
They did not have Dean's name mentioned under best voice so I added it,
so everyone, go and vote at least 10 times each and get his name up in
the top 10

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Zoom wrote:

>Since the pilot was such a recognizable blueprint for everything
>that followed
>(writer John McNamara said this as well), it's almost impossible
>for me not to
>see the pilot and its promises gradually coming true in every season.  I'm
>sorry that some fans skip the last chapter, and just as sorry for those who
>skip the first, because *every* season contributed to the the
>story, and no,
>not perfectly in any season, but maybe, like Lois, I'm just a little bit
>blinded by love ;)
>
>Zoomway@aol.com ("...it's one of the many things that makes your story so
>timeless. Why children never tire of hearing it at bedtime, and why parents
>never outgrow it ..." ;)

What a beautiful post, Zoom.  <waffy sigh>  All the things you said in it,
especially these last two paragraphs, really detailed all of the reasons
*why* I'm so in love with the show and, even more so, its characters.  I
tend to look at the show as a whole, instead of its parts (i.e. season one
or two, etc).  I know that the character development and the love we have
for those characters would not have been quite as complete without any of
its parts, both the "good" and the "bad".  And even though the show may not
always be in reruns, it will always live on in my tapes <bg>  and forever in
my heart.  ;)

Thanks for the post, Zoom.  :)

Erin
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Hi guys,

On an unrelated topic, I heard a rumour that Christopher Reeves is
coming to Hamilton, Ontario, Canada to do a charity event.  Has anyone
heard anything more about this?
Irene

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In a message dated 3/9/99 7:38:04 AM Central Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM
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<< It simply doesn't have to be an either/or thing, either Superman is
 smarter/wiser/kinder/more human--or Lois is. >>

Exactly,  Lois *and* Clark are Superman. He, as a hero, has *both* their
wisdom. Both Lois and Clark are stronger as a *team*.

>>>I just wanted Clark to show now and then that he has his fair share of
brains. Indeed, I guess I'm one of the few who cheered when Superman saved
himself at the end of Stop The Presses (the only good thing, for me, about
that episode) (though the Presses' idea was clever).<<<<

Superman can always look smart if the villain takes no provocative action
when
he/she /they have the upper hand.  That is, if they just *stand* there as
the
Press brothers did <g>  They made no move while that silo was *slowly*
irising
open. Heck, I could have beaten them in that case, "Stand still while I save
myself!" ;) Superman wasn't smart, so much as *lucky* that the Press
brothers
were temporarily put in a state of suspended animation <g>

>>>Sometimes it seems that people (particularly TV show writers) think there
are only so many intelligence points to go around. One person has to have
them (say, the wise-cracking kid) while another is sorely lacking (the
put-upon dad). In L&C it seems that giving a few more intelligent points
(or any at all) to Clark meant that an equal number (or more) had to be
subtracted from Lois's share, in which case she reverted to wacky.
Whoopee.<<<

Or it just might be that no one is Einstein 24/7.  Not even Einstein.  Lois
was intelligent, yet for two years she had hints dropped on her as subtly as
ACME anvils that Clark and Superman were/are the same guy, but didn't figure
it out till the end of those two years. Sometimes keeping Lois in the dark
about Clark's secret caused the writers to make Lois seem incredibly dense.
However, that was the traditional "joke" from half a century's worth of
comic
books the writers had to deal with. Long before Tempus intoned, "How *dumb*
was she?" fans were howling the same thing for two years.  Lois tells
*Clark*
that the only way she knows how to really get Superman's attention is to
fall
out of a window. Clark trots off and a few seconds later Superman appears
telling her she doesn't have to fall out of any windows to get his attention
<g> "Hello? Duh!" ;)

The point is, sometimes Lois and Clark were smart and sometimes not so
smart,
just like most other people.  However, they were *never* unswervingly
brilliant.  In the much decried world of television writing, sometimes how
well they clicked or how poorly was definitely a matter of contrivance, just
as Clark's "ping pong" table being there for one episode to accommodate a
sight gag, or the *entire* honeymoon suite rearranging itself not only
between
the time Lois was first there compared to when she was there with Clark
(what
*did* happen to that sunken bathtub facing the window? ;) but also
rearranged
itself *within* the episode.  Was the writer sneering at us? The set
director?
I don't think so, because guess what, I never noticed that darn suite got
constantly rearranged until someone pointed it out <g>

Maybe that means I'm the one who is galatically stupid, but having some
pride,
I prefer to think that I had so much fun watching Lois and Clark, that
everything else blurred in the background <g>  I enjoyed Honeymoon in
Metropolis *despite* the haunted suite with its magically rearranging decor,
and the lousy special effects (Superman looking like an action figure
swirling
in a toilet bowl on a string when he fights the tsunami ;)  Which reminds me
of another character that often ran hot and cold in the "smarts" department
depending on the writer, and that was Cat Grant. However, since I liked Lois
more than Cat, I can't tell you how glad I am that Cat got stuck with the
line
about a tsunami being some type of avocado dish <g>

>>>He didn't show this wisdom often enough for me.<<<

I never saw Clark as stupid or lacking wisdom.  He did make the wrong
judgment
calls now and then, but everyone does.  He was *human* in that department,
despite being a "strange visitor".  Clark was far from being a sage in any
season, so I don't know what was expected of him.  I mean had he been truly
brilliant episode after episode (assuming that wouldn't become dull) I could
understand your point of view, but Clark made mistakes in every season and
was
bested by Lex almost every other episode the first season.

Sometimes, it could seem Clark was smart or intuitive (at least to Lois) in
an
episode like Strange Visitor because he used his super hearing listening to
the tumblers click, or Pheromone, My Lovely simply because he was about the
only one left to think clearly <g> For me, though, it was Clark's *heart*
and
not his brain that more defined him and always did.  In Man of Steel Bars,
for
example, I didn't think of him as *stupid* for believing the data that his
super feats were causing the heat wave. For Clark, just the mere thought
that
it could be true and that he could be hurting people was enough.  Had Clark
Kent and Superman truly been two separate people, Clark wouldn't have left.
He'd have stayed there with Lois and helped figure out the truth, but
because
they *were* the same men, he had to leave.  He left, not because he was
dumb,
but because he cared.

>>>All I want out of any show is inspirational use of intelligence by
characters we know and love. A character's failure to use brains and common
sense simply because the A plot demands it isn't, IMO, a good thing for
anyone.<<<

I hope you find that TV show.  I'm into my sixth year watching The X-Files,
and though I enjoy it, sometimes the characters can seem incredibly stupid,
and not just due to the convenience of a plot device, but because they're so
narrowly locked into their character parameters (Skully as the skeptic, for
example) that maintaining that confining definition sometimes makes them
look
and sound like idiots.  My favorite "Scully the skeptic" moment happened in
the episode Unruhe where a woman gets her picture taken. The woman is
smiling.
She's against a plain background. When the photo is developed, however, the
woman is grimacing in horror and surrounded by demons.  Scully's
explanation?
The film was past it's expiration date and kept too close to the heater! <g>
In fairness to poor Scully, even she seemed galled by that explanation ;)

I've watched a lot of television, and not just because it's part of my job,
but like most everyone else, I grew up in an era where television was always
there.  In all that time (and we're talking a *lot* of years ;) I never
found
a TV show where the characters were perfect.  They made mistakes, sometimes
incredibly stupid mistakes, they said the wrong things, or did the wrong
things, or misinterpreted each other.  I can't imagine personally wanting a
show filled with either perfect androids or Stephord Wife type
characterization.  I'm not sure what the appeal would be in something like
that.  Then again, I never went in search of a perfect show.  Perfection in
anything being impossible, the word itself becomes subjective.  Perfect then
becomes what you, I, or anyone else deems "perfect" to be.  That being the
case, then I'll paraphrase Lois, "I'm watching the show that I love -- it
*is*
pefect."  <g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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>hi!

Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is the
point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both kind
of stopped watching them, since we've both seen almost every one of them
(though to tell you the truth, these days, she has a lot less free time
than I do).  I'm getting to the point where I just don't see a reason to
watch it every day!

Sambrea
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>>hi!
>
>Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is the
>point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both
kind
>of stopped watching them, since we've both seen almost every one of
them
>(though to tell you the truth, these days, she has a lot less free time
>than I do).  I'm getting to the point where I just don't see a reason
to
>watch it every day!
>
>Sambrea
>
Hey Everyone!
Saw this post and I just had to express my opinion!  I guess I watch it
everyday because I'm kind of addicted in a way.  I don't have them taped
and I need my fix every once and a while!  Well, my free time is running
a little bit low too.  My work load knows just the way to sneek up on me
at the worst of times.  Another reason I like to watch it everyday is
because for me it's a good time of day to sit down and relax after a
long day and have a snack or dinner.  I usually have softball around 6
so it's my relaxation time.  It's still the best show on tv.  Atleast
that is my opinion.  I'm sorry for being kind of up front with my
opinion but, I guess I find the show more interesting everytime that I
watch it.  If you are bored of watching it you aren't analyzing or being
as observant as you can.  Sorry for being kind of rude!  Talk to all of
you soon!
~Eilonwy

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At 04:10 PM 3/9/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/9/99 7:38:04 AM Central Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM
>writes:

>>>>I just wanted Clark to show now and then that he has his fair share of
>brains. Indeed, I guess I'm one of the few who cheered when Superman saved
>himself at the end of Stop The Presses (the only good thing, for me, about
>that episode) (though the Presses' idea was clever).<<<<
>
>Superman can always look smart if the villain takes no provocative action
when
>he/she /they have the upper hand.  That is, if they just *stand* there as
the
>Press brothers did <g>  They made no move while that silo was *slowly*
irising
>open. Heck, I could have beaten them in that case, "Stand still while I
save
>myself!" ;) Superman wasn't smart, so much as *lucky* that the Press
brothers
>were temporarily put in a state of suspended animation <g>

Oh, darn, sorry, I thought I'd found one case where he saved himself using
his own resources. I thought that the brothers, seeing him regaining his
strength (because they knew he could do so rapidly) were too afraid to
approach him. I know of animal control people who wouldn't aproach an
already drugged small black bear until she was totally unconscious. Maybe
the brothers were just stupid and not cautious, and once again Superman was
just lucky, not smart. So... Never mind.

>>>>Sometimes it seems that people (particularly TV show writers) think
there
>are only so many intelligence points to go around. One person has to have
>them (say, the wise-cracking kid) while another is sorely lacking (the
>put-upon dad). In L&C it seems that giving a few more intelligent points
>(or any at all) to Clark meant that an equal number (or more) had to be
>subtracted from Lois's share, in which case she reverted to wacky.
>Whoopee.<<<
>
>Or it just might be that no one is Einstein 24/7.  Not even Einstein.

Not even Superman one day out of seven sometimes :(

>Lois
>was intelligent, yet for two years she had hints dropped on her as subtly
as
>ACME anvils that Clark and Superman were/are the same guy, but didn't
figure
>it out till the end of those two years.

Yeah, she really was a stupid, blind person. L&C sure belong together...

[snip]

>The point is, sometimes Lois and Clark were smart and sometimes not so
smart,
>just like most other people.

Yeah, give me Rob and Laura, that's what I tuned in for... :(

>However, they were *never* unswervingly brilliant.

That's the truth! Tell it, Zoomway!

>In the much decried world of television writing, sometimes how
>well they clicked or how poorly was definitely a matter of contrivance
[snip]
>Was the writer sneering at us? The set director?
>I don't think so, because guess what, I never noticed that darn suite got
>constantly rearranged until someone pointed it out <g>

I don't start noticing sets, dress colors or the inconsistencies unless the
story bores me and encourages my mind wander.

>...Which reminds me
>of another character that often ran hot and cold in the "smarts" department
>depending on the writer, and that was Cat Grant. However, since I liked
Lois
>more than Cat, I can't tell you how glad I am that Cat got stuck with the
line
>about a tsunami being some type of avocado dish <g>

I liked Cat and think she was criminally under and mis used. It must be
hard for TV writers focusing on action to write for more than one woman at
a time. A Tracy Scoggins fan on another list noted that as much as they
dumbed down Cat, she still came off as more interesting than Lois...

>>>>He didn't show this wisdom often enough for me.<<<
>
>I never saw Clark as stupid or lacking wisdom.  [snip]

We agree to disagree about how brilliant he should have acted and how often
Superman was bested by Lex or by the common criminal on the street.

[snip]

>
>>>>All I want out of any show is inspirational use of intelligence by
>characters we know and love. A character's failure to use brains and common
>sense simply because the A plot demands it isn't, IMO, a good thing for
>anyone.<<<
>
>I hope you find that TV show.

I find "7 Days" fascinating. Millennium has fallen on hard times and no new
Due South episodes are being made :(

[snip Xfiles references]

[snip your interesting thoughts on TV history]

>...I can't imagine personally wanting a
>show filled with either perfect androids or Stephord Wife type
>characterization.

Neither can I and, *amazingly!* I've never, ever said that's what I wanted!
:D :D :D Small world, huh?

I just want characters who learn and grow and seem as real as possible to
me, even when one of them can fly and is super strong and the other one has
a heart of gold shielded by a tough exterior.

It's now up to fanfic :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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:::comes out of lurking::: ;) whoo hoo <g>

Hiya everyone :)

> Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is the
>  point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both
kind
>  of stopped watching them, since we've both seen almost every one of them
>  (though to tell you the truth, these days, she has a lot less free time
>  than I do).  I'm getting to the point where I just don't see a reason to
>  watch it every day!
*** I just felt I had to respond, since I am one of those people.
I watch it every day and I never get tired of it, maybe one day I will, but
no
I don't think so ;o).  I was a late bloomer to Lois and Clark and watch it
every chance I get.  I have a few more to tape and then I have a complete
set,
yay ;), and I'm still going to watch it on TNT until it's off :(  I can say
that I am addicted and  need my fix every day :)  I usually do my homework
while it's on and I don't realize that I'm doing it cause I'm doing
something
fun and it gets done faster.  I honestly don't see anything wrong with
watching it everyday.  Sometimes it's that one thing that makes my day, when
I'm not having a good one, other times I'm just in the mood to see Dean in
tights or w/o a shirt <g>, sometimes I feel like crying and watch a certain
ep
and times when I'm just in that 'lovey dovey' kind of mood ;)  I'm always in
one mood or another  and it just makes me happy.

Liz
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Just to let you guys in on what's probably going on....Everytime a show
goes into syndication they are bought for a typical three year run or
they can run every episode six times and then their contract will
expire...Therefore they can either buy back the rights or they can just
give the producers the rights to sell the show in other markets. Right
now TNT is probably in their last run of the show and want to cut back
viewing time so they can hold on for a few more months...If they feel
that the show was a success on the network they will buy it back if
not...who knows it could always turnup on another network!! :-)  Any
other questions just let me know....I'm a TV Broadcast Major! SO I might
be able to help!!

>From: Eilonwy Jamison <astro_dwarf@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>Subject: Re: L&C on TNT
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:11:19 GMT
>
>>>hi!
>>
>>Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is
the
>>point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both
>kind
>>of stopped watching them, since we've both seen almost every one of
>them
>>(though to tell you the truth, these days, she has a lot less free
time
>>than I do).  I'm getting to the point where I just don't see a reason
>to
>>watch it every day!
>>
>>Sambrea
>>
>Hey Everyone!
>Saw this post and I just had to express my opinion!  I guess I watch it
>everyday because I'm kind of addicted in a way.  I don't have them
taped
>and I need my fix every once and a while!  Well, my free time is
running
>a little bit low too.  My work load knows just the way to sneek up on
me
>at the worst of times.  Another reason I like to watch it everyday is
>because for me it's a good time of day to sit down and relax after a
>long day and have a snack or dinner.  I usually have softball around 6
>so it's my relaxation time.  It's still the best show on tv.  Atleast
>that is my opinion.  I'm sorry for being kind of up front with my
>opinion but, I guess I find the show more interesting everytime that I
>watch it.  If you are bored of watching it you aren't analyzing or
being
>as observant as you can.  Sorry for being kind of rude!  Talk to all of
>you soon!
>~Eilonwy
>
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Hi FoLCs,

This message is for anyone who's interested in seeing Teri in Cabaret
in Chicago, and *isn't* planning to go with the group of FoLCs on July
13 (the FoLC group will be getting a good news email from me very
shortly ;)  Everyone else can hit the delete key now <g>

A few small blocks (some may be only one or two seats) of Cabaret
tickets
have been released for early sale, beginning tomorrow, Wednesday,
March 10.
Officially, tickets don't go on sale until Friday, March 12, but this
is a
special promotion through a Chicago department store, Carson Pirie
Scott.
The only performances available are:  June 15, June 24, and July 1, at
7:30
pm., June 26, June 27, and July 4 at 2:00 pm., and July 3 at 1:30 pm.

The tickets have to be ordered through Ticketmaster by *phone* at:
312-902-1500.  I believe that you need to have a Carson Pirie Scott
charge
card to place an order.  You can't order through the Ticketmaster
website.

I don't know how many tickets are available or how good the seats are.
There are seating charts for the Shubert Theater on Ticketmaster's
site (search under Cabaret and Illinois to get there) at:

http://events.ticketmaster.com/

What's being sold are the "odd lots" of leftover seats at the
performances originally
earmarked for theater's season subscribers.

Please don't contact me to buy these "early sale" tickets--I don't
have them.  They can only be purchased from Ticketmaster.  Since I got
the information about them when I phoned the Shubert this afternoon, I
thought I'd pass it on to the rest of the FoLCs  :)

Pat

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Margaret, you devil! <G> Your description of TPTB's lousy logic in 3rd an=
d 4th
seasons has me ROTFL - and I'm in an internet cafe for crying out loud!!!=
!

Debra G - who's been having a really lousy day what with my cold and all,=
 and
found your post just the thing to make me forget it for a few minutes. Th=
anks
Margaret!

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On  9 Mar 99 at 23:11, Eilonwy Jamison wrote:

> >Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is the

> Hey Everyone!
> Saw this post and I just had to express my opinion!  I guess I watch it
> everyday because I'm kind of addicted in a way.  I don't have them taped
> and I need my fix every once and a while!  Well, my free time is running
> a little bit low too.  My work load knows just the way to sneek up on me
> at the worst of times.  Another reason I like to watch it everyday is
> because for me it's a good time of day to sit down and relax after a
> long day and have a snack or dinner.  I usually have softball around 6
> so it's my relaxation time.  It's still the best show on tv.  Atleast
> that is my opinion.  I'm sorry for being kind of up front with my
> opinion but, I guess I find the show more interesting everytime that I
> watch it.  If you are bored of watching it you aren't analyzing or being
> as observant as you can.  Sorry for being kind of rude!  Talk to all of
> you soon!

I found this *very* rude.

My husband (who, as most of you know, I met through #loiscla) and I
still love the show, and on days when one or the other of us actually
get home in time to watch it, it's a real treat.  Of course, we have
them all on tape, so we can watch whenever we want (and we have,
occasionally), but it's still special to see it "live" on TV.

However, we have lives.  We have jobs, we have other interests, we
have a lot of other shows we like to watch.  We also don't see the
need for "analyzing or be as observant as you can".  Why?  It was an
*incredible* show, and it was a big part of our lives, but like with
life, you have to keep moving.

I still enjoy the fanfic, and the discussions about both the fanfic
and the various themes that ran through the shows, or character
motivation or actions.  And I won't give up either this list or
LOISCLA, the main listserv.  But I wouldn't *dream* of
accusing anybody of not having a life or of spending too much
time obsessing over this show.  The same way I wouldn't  "condemn"
someone who watches only occasionally---we are all entitled to
live our own lives.  But I am truly offended at your statement.

Barbara
Proud to say she started taping with the original pilot airing.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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      And a believer that fairy tales *can* come true....
check out his website, since Tripod won't let me into mine
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"On the Run," by Plan9Live, and nominated in the Best Series category,
is now available in one large file (800KB) on the web, or in a zipped
file for easy downloading.  Of course, it is still available on Zoom's
message boards and the fanfic newsgroup in fifty or sixty smaller parts
as well.

It is available through Kerth Nominated Story List at
<http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Kerths/kerth99.html>

 ___________________________________________________________________
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Cliff Englert wrote:

> >hi!
>
> >>Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is
> the
> point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both
> kind
> of stopped watching them, sin