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              diabolical masterminds." <kubitc@KENYON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: partners

I hope I'm not repeating anything that has already been said, but my e-mail
program is acting up- I'm often getting replies as far as a week before
receiving the actual message! Some of this is going off what's posted on the
archive.

<< Maybe, she just changed her mind? It has been known! <g> Most of the =
fanfic which use Lois Lane Kent that I've read are set some years in the =
future, or at least several months after the wedding. Can't recall that =
I've read any sooner than that. >>

I know I have read stories where Lois uses Kent, either alone or with Lane,
that are not set at least several months after the wedding. I can't come up
with any titles off the top of my head (which doesn't bode very well for my
case, I know), but I'm sure they're out there.

<< I don't think its outwith the realms of possibility that by then, Lois
would
have resolved a lot of her initial insecurities, remaining Lois Lane at the
office and on her byline - which is entirely sensible after all and for the
reasons she cites = herself - but becoming secure enough to add on the Kent
in
her personal = life. >>

I don't see why Lois is insecure about herself because she doesn't want to
change her last name. She likes "Lois Lane" (and, I'll admit, so do I- I
like
the alliteration ;). So does Clark. Why change?

<< At least, it always seems to me her objections in IASWAA are based =
more on last minute wedding nerves (among others - witness her babble in =
TAG,D for one) than on any real feminist principles. >>

She says she can't understand why women have to do all the changing-
changing
their names, then their bodies, when getting married then later when having
children. She doesn't cry "feminism" but she doesn't need to use the word to
get across the message that she doesn't understand why women have to change
when they get married.

<< I can see her = growing to like married life enough that she would mellow
on
the = subject.=20 >>

Maybe it's just a fundamental misunderstanding, but I don't understand why
she
should mellow on the subject. I never had any doubt (once she and Clark
started
dating) that Lois would like being married to Clark. I don't think she had
that
particular doubt either. (Though she had to work through some issues, as did
Clark, as does anyone who's married.) Changing your last name isn't a
mandatory
part of married life, even though it is tradition. But, heck, tradition
isn't
necessarily a good thing; for years, according to tradition and lots of
other
bunk, women didn't vote. Thank heavens that's one tradition that's changed
<g>

I should probably also say that I don't think there's anything inherently
*wrong* with changing your last name when you get married. But I also don't
think there's anything inherently right about it either. It's a choice and I
don't see any indication that Lois might change her mind later. I also don't
think it's any kind of disservice to any children Lois and Clark would have
for
Lois to keep her last name. I know plenty of people whose mothers kept their
last names and I don't think they're emotionally scarred.

<< Personally, I don't see much wrong with letting colleagues and
acquaintances
know that you are = married. In fact, as you point out, it seems just a
little
cruel not to! =I'd say that in a situation such as you describe the
occasional
faux pas = is unavoidable! Even if you are determined to keep your personal
and
= business lives completely separate, the *knowledge* of your married =
status
isn't the problem per se. So long as you *act* professionally = (having
taken
that decision personally I mean. If you are into PDA = that's fine too! <g>)
then you achieve the effect you want, surely? >>

I was an adament supporter of keeping your personal and professional lives
separate, but I have to clarify myself, I think, after hearing Rachel's
story.
I don't think there's anything wrong with your colleagues knowing that
you're
married. I think this is especially appropriate if your colleagues are also
people you socialize with. However, an example of a situatio where I'd have
a
problem is if a source comes to the Planet to be interviewed and (s)he'd
only
spoken to Lois previously. If Lois were to introduce Clark as her husband
instead of her working partner, I think that would be inappropriate. The
source
will not interact with Lois or Clark in a social situation, so there should
be
no chance for the kind of faux pas that could happen with friend/colleagues.
Just MHO.

-Christy
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
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Hi FoLCs

Here's my bit of input about Lois changing her name after marrying
Clark --

Having both Lois and Clark take the name Lane Kent is the coolest idea
I've heard in a long time!!

I'll admit, I'm a wee thing, just 19, so I have no marriage plans for
a while (not to mention I have not met my Mr. Wonderful yet!  Know any
young, mild-mannered, available Supermen?!).  At this point, I don't
know whether or not I'll keep my last name when I get married (does
"Rachel Wonderful" sound un-professional?).  I can totally understand
why some women, especially accomplished professionals like Lois, would
feel attached to their name.  However, I'm also looking forward to
marriage as a great bond between a man and a woman.  I personally
think that having the same last name is, in a way, symbolic of the
union.  For these conflicting reasons, I really don't know what I'll
personally do when the big "M-word" comes for me.

Here's a story that I think is really cool -- there are two married
professors at my college.  When they got married, they decided that
neither one should take the name of the other, so they invented their
own last name!  Isn't that cool?!  I think it is really special to
have that new beginning -- a marriage -- symbolized by a  new name for
both the man and the woman.

Anyway, this is why I think it is awesome for Clark to be called Clark
Lane Kent (and Lois would be LoisLK, too).  I'm not a fanfic writer
(just a very satisfied reader!), but if I were, you can bet I'd
consider having my version of Lois and Clark share each other's last
names.  I think that Clark would agree to the new name -- He's the
type of guy who would want his wife to have her individuality, but
would also want to share the family name with her.  He's traditional,
yet understanding of Lois's independence.

So, now you know the Sheriff Rachel version of the debate.

Until next time, I remain...
        Rachello

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Date:         Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:27:58 -0600
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From:         Melissa Day Hall <mhall@SOUND.NET>
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>At 8:06 PM -0600 2/28/99, Melissa Day Hall wrote:
>> New Troy is an island in the middle of Metropolis,
>>much like Manhattan. Metropolis has six boroughs, New Troy, Queensland
>>Park, Bakerline, Park Ridge, St. Martin's Island and Hells' Gate.
>
>Great summary, Misha. I'll have to hold onto this one. Just the other day,
>I was  trying to come up with where a character in  my fanfic might be
>"from" (Kingston is one neighborhood we used in S5/6, but you need variety.
>;))

You want more? <g>

Besides the sections of New Troy, all the other boroughs have parts: Hell's
Gate holds Tealboro and Senre Ville, Uptown and East Side are on St.
Martin's Island, Newtown, Mount Royal, Pelham, North Bridge (on the south
side of town)and The Old City are in Queensland Park, Vernon and Racine are
in Park Ridge, and Bakerline holds Lafayette, Hamstead and Oaktown.

I've got this lovely map of Metropolis, but not a scanner in sight. <sigh>

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Kathy wrote:
>When it finally came off, the new haircut wasn't all that much
>different from the old one, IMO.  And no mention was made of it on the
show.

I distinctly remember after TPvLL, the next ep (whatever it was) Jimmy
saying to Lois "Nice Haircut" and her replying something like (can't
remember exact wording) "After having my face plastered all over as a
wanted felon, I thought a change would be nice"

re: Pam's scene "answer"

Loved it! If that and your Forget Me Not, redux had been filmed, I would
have been a very happy camper! But I do think Clark was in shock that she
would even pick Lex over him, and thus couldn't move and just stood there.

re: Not liking 4th season as much

I don't know why, but I didn't like it as much either.  I know towards the
end, it was the overwhelming sense of dread I would feel everytime I
watched an ep...almost couldn't watch because I knew it was going to be
cancelled.  I still have a hard time watching the end of season four on TNT
because I remember all the stuff going on at the time. (wish I had a
vcr...can't tape the eps...wahhh!)

And the NK arc just wasn't that suspensful for me because I knew Dean Cain
was coming back, so Clark was coming back.  If I had empathized with the
NKers I might have liked it more.  And Swear to God... just left a bad
taste in my mouth (except for the end! loved the end!) BACALAC I actually
kinda liked...STP I would have liked better if Lois had saved
Clark...Brutal Youth I loved...but there was no over-all arc to the
stories...I loved the second half of second season because each ep was
building on L&C's romance and the 1st half of third season was building to
their engagement.  And then there was no focus/goal in their relationship
after Tempus, Anyone? (Loved Tempus, Anyone?)  I liked the beginning of the
arghhh, but then they lost me after the Deter thing.  Was starting to like
it again...and then NK happened...and then I guess I just thought the
writers didn't write a married couple very well at first...then I started
to get into the eps, really get into the eps, again--and then I was afraid
the series would be canceled (and it didn't help that at the time I was
trying to decide what college to go to...couldn't think about that at
all...any quiet moment was obessed with L&C...finally did get around to
making a decision though :).

Don't get me wrong...I love L&C...and I kept watching!  But somehow, I
didn't enjoy the  4th season as much as previous seasons...I loved the 8
o'clock Sunday timeslot...and it not being there was upsetting to.  I had a
routine...work on homework and then watch and then work on homework while
dreamily thinking of L&C and then go to sleep dreaming of L&C and then go
in to school the next day dreamily thinking of L&C...made Mondays so much
better.

Hope it's coherent!  It's late...decided to take a break from
studying...test tommorrow!  And it's a TV test--it's going to be hard
though, have heard from people.  (I'm taking a TV class...all the
terminology that was flying around during the time the FoLC were trying to
save the show made me intrigued) Actually my professor said he knew one of
the Assistant Directors of L&C, so said he got to see one of the first
screenings of the pilot.  I thought that was cool!  Trimble did say that
his friend said Teri and Dean had really big egos and that L&C was a set
full of tension...which I don't like to think about, so I'm not!

back to studying...

Nethra
who thinks the fanfic list discussions are amazing...
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From:         Stefanie D Slifer <cute6@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Wigs and haircuts

 Joshua wrote:
>
>>At the beginning of the 4th season I think Teri wore a wig.  During
>>the summer I saw her on Oprah and she had very VERY short red
>>hair.

Kathy replied:

>This is exactly right, Josh.  Since LOTF/BE follow almost directly from
>BGDF, they put Teri in a wig for the first several episodes, until her
own
>hair grew out a bit.

While we're on this subject, does anyone know where I can find a picture
or screen capture of Teri in the wig?  I'm in the minority that actually
thought the wig was cute, and I'm thinking of styling my hair like that.

Also, where can I find a picture of Farah Forke (Mayson Drake)?

If anyone can point me in the right direction, I would really appreciate
it.

Thanks!

Hugs,
Stefanie =)   cute6@juno.com
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Date:         Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:46:23 PST
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Yeah... I've heard - or in this case, read ;)- of that rumours. Is it
true?! Are they shooting it now?

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Wasn't there some rumors going on that Nicholas Cage was going to do a
Superman movie? He is to be Clark and Sandra Bullock was going to be
Lois.

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Well, I'm not the person who usually write in here, too. But I kind of
agree with Anne. I mean, Nicholas Cage is the thriller type [I hope you
know what I mean?]. CK is strong but 'soft'... ARGH! I don't know how to
explain it [:Þ] but the thing I want to say is, I don't think Nicholas
suits the character. But again, just an opinion. :)

P/S: I know this might be a dumb question but what's IMHO?

~Farah~

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You Wrote:

>Wasn't there some rumors going on that Nicholas Cage was going to do a
Superman movie? He is to be Clark and Sandra Bullock was going to be
Lois.

****
I don't normally write I just enjoy reading the discussions, but is
there anyone out there that agrees with me that Nicholas Cage wouldn't
make a good Superman. He is just to rugged and scruffy. His face anyway.
I just don't think that he would be right for the part.

In The old series you had George Reeves, Who had a smooth and clean cut
face with a good Jaw line, as well as with Christopher Reeve.  Dean Cain
was a perfect addition to the many Supermans.  But all this is just
IMHO.. I hope I didn't offend anyone?!

Back to just reading........... :)

Annobelle

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Kathy wrote:

>They never claimed that Lois cut her hair after the first few episodes =
of
>4th season though.  The only time they ever made anything of a haircut =
for
>her was in Contact, early 3rd season, when she cut it short after =
having
>the medium length bob for the first 2 years.
>
>If I remember correctly, Teri wore the 4th season wig until about =
episode 8
>or so.  It was quite a while, and we were all anxious to have her real =
hair
>back. When it finally came off, the new haircut wasn't all that much
>different from the old one, IMO.  And no mention was made of it on the =
show.
>

Not surprised you didn't notice the mention, Kathy - if you're as much =
of a fan (not <g>) as I am of BOB & CAROL (I'm so little a fan that I =
can never remember the proper title, let alone the acronym. :D And even =
though, as always, it has loads of moments that redeem it, which make me =
laugh or I enjoy for the waffiness, it's still the episode I watch most =
rarely) . But a big thing is made of her new haircut at the start of =
this episode, when Jimmy's new girlfriend decides its cool and Lois says =
that she cut it short after seeing herself on the wanted posters. <g>

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In a message dated 2/28/99 10:25:55 AM Central Standard Time,
gremlino@PATHWAY.NET writes:

<< Lois crying in the
 premiere when she and Clark are tied in the warehouse, and Lois crying in
 the ep "Lois and Clarks" when she's talking to the alternate Clark about
her
 missing husband.  The first was played for laughs--we can tell Lois isn't
really crying--and the second is played for--what?--cries?  <g> Evokes a
totally different feeling.  >>

Not sure why Lois missing her husband should be played for laughs.  It's one
of my favorite scenes from any season though.  It showed how deeply she
loved
and missed Clark. In that sense, unlike Lois' "death bed" tear-fests of old,
it was totally open and honest, and thankfully not played for humor.

>>>And then there's the scene in "Twas the Night Before Mxymas" where Lois
moans to Clark that she won't be able to like Christmas as much as he wants
her to.  It could have been funny, but somehow it was pathetic instead.<<<

Lois comparing the "Seven deadly sins" to the "Twelve Gifts of Christmas"
was
not only funny to me, but *so* Lois <g>

>>>>One
*big* thing I noticed was the difference in the way Lois looks at Clark
during the fourth season and how she had looked at him during the first 2
seasons.  The starry-eyed glances she gave to first Superman, and then
Clark, in the first eps are in sharp contrast to the way she looked at him
(them?) during the later eps.  The old zing just wasn't there any more.<<<

I'm going to have to get my eyes checked (I'm tired of them being plaid ;) I
never saw so many adoring and sweet exchanges between Lois and Clark as I
did
the final two seasons.  However, as the old saying goes, one .JPG is worth a
large .TXT file ... er, well, one picture is worth a thousand words ;)  To
that end, I put up a temporary website with some of my favorite screen
captures from 3rd and 4th season.  I should say non-kissing screen captures
<g> I chose them because they seem to best illustrate the positive feelings
of
love Lois and Clark shared -- joy, contentment, happiness, playfulness and
good, old fashioned bliss ;)  I didn't put up the kissing pictures because I
wanted this to be mostly facial expressions.  Though the topmost picture
almost qualifies as a kissing picture, but the two of them are smiling too
much to actually "pucker" ;)

You're right that Lois did give Superman lots of adoring "starry-eyed"
looks,
but often they were of the "in awe" variety, as if she finally met a god
from
Mount Olympus face to face.  There was almost a "worship" quality in her
expression.  With time, Superman came a bit closer to the Earth for her, and
she began to treat him like a person. In conjunction with this, her
friendship
with Clark grew, and by the end of second season, she was in love with him.

It would be very easy to end things here, at this point.  Lois didn't know
the
truth and so nothing terribly solid or honest could grow from that, it would
be frozen in time as a great imitation romance. The kind of romance a naive
young girl might cook up in her unicorn bestrewn bedroom as her rainbow sun-
catchers clack against the windowpane. The most serious threat to the
romance
being Clark's *secret* leading to unexplained "vanishing acts".  A brief
intrusion by third parties in the persons of Mayson Drake and Dan Scardino
to
stir things up, and once they're summarily dealt with, the road is clear. Of
course they can't go far down that road because the *truth* is missing, but
if
it all remains a little girl's dream, she wouldn't go far down that road
anyway.

Me? I'll hit the road, thanks, even with the stop signs, yield signs,
roadblocks and detours (or Deters ;) Lois and Clark did hit a lot of
potholes
on their way to a happy romance and marriage, but it would be hard to take a
romance seriously or realistically if the couple never faced a more
difficult
dilemma than burgundy versus deep violet  When Lois was almost squished by
the
falling flag pole, she noticed that Clark's reaction was different from
before, that he was more urgent. Clark simply replied, "Things are
*different*
now."  He was right. Lois knew the secret, they were in love, and she was
considering his proposal of marriage, all while she was trying to get to
know
Clark for *all* he truly was.

Lois and Clark were both "babes in the woods" in that neither of them had a
clue as to how to make a relationship work.  Some of my best memories from
the
series involved Lois and Clark trying to figure it all out and make it work,
and because their situation was so unique, they didn't exactly have a guide
to
go by. What they learned was the truth, and the truth is a relationship and
marriage take a *lot* of work, compromise, disagreements, forgiving,
sharing,
crying, comforting, and most of all, never giving up no matter how tough it
gets. It's still amazing to me that a fantasy show about a guy who can fly,
cook dinner with his eyesight and wears his underpants on the outside could
have such a realistic grasp of what a relationship from strangers to
marriage
is all about.

I've put the URL for the screen captures below.  I think it will be more
liked
by those who enjoyed 3rd and 4th seaosn as much as I did, but anyone's
welcome
to take a looksee ;)

http://www.actwd.com/zoomway/worlds.htm

This other site is where I put up some Lois and Clark music videos made by
some extraordinarily talented FoLC.

http://www.acreativetouch.simplenet.com/zoomway/avi/LnC_music_videos.htm

Zoomway@aol.com
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 I have a story that is almost ready for publication, but I would be
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At 07:45 PM 2/28/99 -0600, Melissa Day Hall wrote:
>>Can anyone tell me who in Kansas/Missouri can legitimately perform a
>>wedding ceremony?  (Justice of the Peace, Minister, Judge, Lawyer, Elvis
>>impersonator, whatever?)

I think some Kansan needs to check this out.  Next door in Colorado, the
only thing required for a marriage to be legal is to buy the license and
sign it in front of the people at the county clerk's office (at least, that
was the case 5 years ago).  So, theoretically, *any*one could perform a
wedding ceremony since it's the signing of the license before witnesses that
makes the marriage legal, not any particular ceremony by any particular
person.

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I think I have figured out part of why the fourth season is so depressing to
some of us ( other than the obvious like the constant victimization of Lois
and Clark and the messing around by the network).  Part of it is that the
colors are depressing.  If you look at Lois's clothes, in the first three
seasons she wears pink, red, orange, beige and blue a lot.  In the fourth
season, it seeems that she wears little but grey and brown.  Even if the
idea
that colors photographed differently than planned is true, then the
producers
or someone should have noticed and found other clothes or film or something.
The whole visual tone is depressing.  Just think of the awful outfits she
wore
in SL&V.

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Hey Pam,

Having just re-watched DJ and Seconds yesterday, your little scene
(followed by FMN, R) would have been just perfect!!

Why, oh why, did the scriptwriters make such a mess of the
characterisations over these five episodes? Why did the actors let
them get away with it? Why was Clark turned into such a wimp? And WHY
was there no proper resolution of all of this?

Wendy
(whose brain has ever since been churning out dialogue for a
pre-IASWAL fanfic which would 'close' the AAARRGHHHH properly - why
hasn't someone invented software to transfer thoughts directly from
the brain to the computer screen without the need for me to find time
to sit down at the keyboard and type it!!)
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On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:22:23 -0500 Margaret Brignell
<brignell@CAPITALNET.COM> wrote:

> At 10:13 AM 2/28/1999 -0700, Debby wrote:
> >I agree. Margaret Brignell assumes the world of Metropolis uses UK
> >spellings :)
>
> Assume?!  I'll have you know they *do* use the British spelling-- it's
> right there in the City's bylaws.  Really!  Doesn't anybody around here
> read the bylaws?  Sheesh!

LOL!! Right on, Margaret! As my General Editors are well aware, I
also follow this 'bylaw', which leads to some interesting
discussions, such as when i have to make my dislike of 'gotten'
clear!

Wendy
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Hi all!

I am looking for a fic set in the alt. universe. I can't remember all of
it but Clark/Superman is writing novels as "Clark Lane" when Lois comes
back from the Congo. She creates a new identity for Clark as her husband
"Clark Lane" who is blind.

Anyone able to tell me the name or author?

Thanks.

Liz
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I seem to be posting a lot today... Pam's great little Lucky Leon
vignette made me think of an additional difference.

To us on this side of the Atlantic, a shop is where we buy things
(Americans refer to it as a store? To us, a store is where things are
kept - stored!). And if our cars need to be repaired, we'd take them
to a garage! Yes, I  know a garage is also a building attached to a
house where a car is parked overnight, but who says language has to
be consistent?

That's all for now - I think!

Wendy

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On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:44:37 +1100 Jenny Stosser
<jenerator@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:

> >"So, I guess you can all let your collective breath out, because
> >SUPERMAN LIVES, for now, ain't flyin' nowhere."

Well I, for one, and very glad that is confirmed - I couldn't stand
the thought of Nicholas Cage as Clark Kent  (yuck...eeewwww!!!) and I
wouldn't even have been able to sit through trailers, let alone see
the film. As for what I had read about the script... well, let's say
it's just as well it's not happening.

I'd rather read fanfic any day!

Wendy
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>gremlino@PATHWAY.NET wrote:
>
><< Lois crying in the
> premiere when she and Clark are tied in the warehouse, and Lois crying =
in
> the ep "Lois and Clarks" when she's talking to the alternate Clark =
about her
> missing husband.  The first was played for laughs--we can tell Lois =
isn't
>really crying--and the second is played for--what?--cries?  <g> Evokes =
a
>totally different feeling.  >>

And Zoomway answered:
>
>Not sure why Lois missing her husband should be played for laughs.  =
It's one
>of my favorite scenes from any season though.  It showed how deeply she =
loved
>and missed Clark. In that sense, unlike Lois' "death bed" tear-fests of =
old,
>it was totally open and honest, and thankfully not played for humor.

Thankfully is right! And, not to dispute in any way that the warehouse =
scene was played for laughs, but personally, in among some nice touches =
of humor, I've always found some real poignancy too. It's never seemed =
to me that Lois wasn't really crying. She may have been crying for all =
the wrong reasons, certainly - self-pity being chief among them - but =
I've always had the impression that she was genuinely upset by the fact =
that her life was about to come to an abrupt and probably nasty end =
prematurely before she'd done everything she intended to do with it. And =
Clark's wistful observations in response to her wailing over the =
injustice of it all (she tends to remind me at times of that cartoon =
chick, Callimero (sp?) I'll confess! "Eets an injusteece!" <bg>) bring a =
lump to my throat every time I watch.  ("We're only =
human.....(beat).....I guess, when you're in love with someone... it =
doesn't matter how smart you are or how many rules you've set for =
yourself. You're still vulnerable.")
BTW, as an aside, I adore the script direction for Clark here: <g>

LOIS:  (cont'd) (beat) I guess I must have been in love. Or thought I =
was. I was only twenty-one, working on my first big scoop: this =
perfectly ordinary middle-age couple -- gun runners. One night, I told =
him about it and when I woke up the next morning he was gone. So was my =
story. He won an award for it. Didn't even thank me for my... input.

Clark quickly re-padlocks himself. There's no way he wants to extricate =
himself now.

LOL!

Gremlino@Pathway.Net wrote:

>The starry-eyed glances she gave to first Superman, and then
>Clark, in the first eps are in sharp contrast to the way she looked at =
him
>(them?) during the later eps.  The old zing just wasn't there any =
more.<<<
>
And Zoomway answered:

You're right that Lois did give Superman lots of adoring "starry-eyed" =
looks,
>but often they were of the "in awe" variety, as if she finally met a =
god from
>Mount Olympus face to face.  There was almost a "worship" quality in =
her
>expression.  With time, Superman came a bit closer to the Earth for =
her, and
>she began to treat him like a person. In conjunction with this, her =
friendship
>with Clark grew, and by the end of second season, she was in love with =
him.
>

I can't help but agree. Once Lois had gotten over her 'moony-eyed =
cheerleader' worship of Superman (which, don't misunderstand me, was a =
lot of fun at the time to watch too!) and embarked wholeheartedly on a =
relationship with the real thing, I found plenty of zing in S3 and S4. =
In S4 in particular, along with the sizzling sexuality there was a new =
and wonderful undertone of warmth and humor, intimacy, friendship and =
just plain affection which was delightful to view each week. Clark's =
delighted laughter at being teased by his wife at the end of LW is a =
good example. Although I do wish those elevator doors had been just a =
tad slower to close for once so that we could have watched him pull her =
into one of those affectionate bearhugs that he does so well. Sigh.....

And, just adding a couple of cents into the pot here......although I'm =
on record as saying that I enjoy all four seasons almost equally (and I =
do!), one small thing that always disappointed me a little in S4 was it =
seemed less.......layered than the previous 3 seasons. If that makes any =
sense at all. <g> I can't really put my finger squarely on it. I missed =
all the little side issues and background antics that you never noticed =
until your fourth viewing. That staffer blinding himself with the =
photocopier in TF for instance, which is a big favorite of mine. The =
newscasters - I still LOL over that rat-infected weathercaster refusing =
to tell anyone if there's going to be snow over Christmas until he gets =
a raise. And Kent Brockman (oops, sorry, wrong show) Brock Thompson's =
newscasts in particular always made me laugh. He is wonderful as he =
gradually loses all enthusiasm over the peace treaty in TTNBM until the =
point where he gives up completely and ends up lounging across the =
newsdesk, chain smoking as he reads the latest report.

Somehow, in some subtle way, a lot of that seemed to be lost in S4. =
There were instances of it, but less of the sparkle. Half the time the =
newsroom seemed like a ghost town version of its previous self. Take a =
look at the reactions of the staffers in the background when a =
disheveled and bug-bitten Lois starts in on Clark at the end of SV (or =
NB - still can't stop confusing them in my head). They're almost as much =
fun as the conversation with Jimmy, Cat, Lois and Clark in the =
foreground. Or, in similar vein, the reactions of the staffers passing =
by to Clark's new sartorial elegance when Lois takes him back to the =
newsroom in ASU.=20

Anyway, just an observation. And not a particularly coherent one either. =
Sometimes, we love or loathe something purely on instinct, feel a subtle =
difference we can't quite pin down.....but I just toss it into the pile =
in case anyone recognizes as part of their own misgivings about S4.

LabRat :)
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she and=20
Clark are tied in the warehouse, and Lois crying in<BR>&gt; the ep =
&quot;Lois=20
and Clarks&quot; when she's talking to the alternate Clark about =
her<BR>&gt;=20
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isn't<BR>&gt;really crying--and the second is played =
for--what?--cries?&nbsp;=20
&lt;g&gt; Evokes a<BR>&gt;totally different feeling.&nbsp; =
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>And Zoomway =
answered:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&gt;<BR>&gt;Not sure why Lois missing her husband should be played =
for=20
laughs.&nbsp; It's one<BR>&gt;of my favorite scenes from any season=20
though.&nbsp; It showed how deeply she loved<BR>&gt;and missed Clark. In =
that=20
sense, unlike Lois' &quot;death bed&quot; tear-fests of old,<BR>&gt;it =
was=20
totally open and honest, and thankfully not played for humor.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>Thankfully is right! =
And, not to=20
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personally, in among some nice touches of humor, I've always found some =
real=20
poignancy too. It's never seemed to me that Lois wasn't really crying. =
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have been crying for all the wrong reasons, certainly - self-pity being =
chief=20
among them - but I've always had the impression that she was genuinely =
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end=20
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Clark's=20
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all=20
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I'll=20
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throat=20
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guess, when=20
you're in love with someone... it doesn't matter how smart you are or =
how many=20
rules you've set for yourself. You're still vulnerable.&quot;)
<P>BTW, as an aside, I adore the script direction for Clark here: =
&lt;g&gt;</P>
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Clark quickly re-padlocks himself. There's no way he =
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<P><FONT size=3D2>LOL!</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:Gremlino@Pathway.Net">Gremlino@Pathway.Net</A> =
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<DIV><BR>&gt;The starry-eyed glances she gave to first Superman, and=20
then<BR>&gt;Clark, in the first eps are in sharp contrast to the way she =
looked=20
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any more.&lt;&lt;&lt;<BR>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>And Zoomway =
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with=20
this, her friendship<BR>&gt;with Clark grew, and by the end of second =
season,=20
she was in love with him.<BR>&gt;<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>I can't help but =
agree. Once Lois=20
had gotten over her 'moony-eyed cheerleader' worship of Superman (which, =
don't=20
misunderstand me, was a lot of fun at the time to watch too!) and =
embarked=20
wholeheartedly on a relationship with the real thing, I found plenty of =
zing in=20
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was a=20
new and wonderful undertone of warmth and humor, intimacy, friendship =
and just=20
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delighted=20
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Although I do wish those elevator doors had been just a tad slower to =
close for=20
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affectionate=20
bearhugs that he does so well. Sigh.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>And, just adding a =
couple of cents=20
into the pot here......although I'm on record as saying that I enjoy all =
four=20
seasons almost equally (and I do!), one small thing that always =
disappointed me=20
a little in S4 was it seemed less.......layered than the previous 3 =
seasons. If=20
that makes any sense at all. &lt;g&gt; I can't really put my finger =
squarely on=20
it. I missed all the little side issues and background antics that you =
never=20
noticed until your fourth viewing. That staffer blinding himself with =
the=20
photocopier in TF for instance, which is a big favorite of mine. The =
newscasters=20
- I still LOL over that rat-infected weathercaster refusing to tell =
anyone if=20
there's going to be snow over Christmas until he gets a raise. And Kent =
Brockman=20
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always made=20
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peace=20
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lounging across the newsdesk, chain smoking as he reads the latest=20
report.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>Somehow, in some subtle way, a lot of =
that seemed=20
to be lost in S4. There were instances of it, but less of the sparkle. =
Half the=20
time the newsroom seemed like a ghost town version of its previous self. =
Take a=20
look at the reactions of the staffers in the background when a =
disheveled and=20
bug-bitten Lois starts in on Clark at the end of SV (or NB - still can't =
stop=20
confusing them in my head). They're almost as much fun as the =
conversation with=20
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reactions=20
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takes him=20
back to the newsroom in ASU. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>Anyway, just an observation. And not =
a=20
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purely=20
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just=20
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misgivings=20
about S4.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>LabRat :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 =
face=3DGeorgia=20
size=3D2>Doc. Klein's LabRat</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2><A=20
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From:         Nethra Ankam <nsa105@PSU.EDU>
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>Kathy wrote:
>>When it finally came off, the new haircut wasn't all that much
>>different from the old one, IMO.  And no mention was made of it on the
show.
>
>I distinctly remember after TPvLL, the next ep (whatever it was) Jimmy
saying to Lois "Nice Haircut" and her replying something like (can't
remember exact wording) "After having my face plastered all over as a
wanted felon, I thought a change would be nice"
>

Whoops! I meant the ep after DLW...

Nethra
who still thinks the fanfic list discussions are amazing, but are becoming
more LOISCLA-like...
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Date:         Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:47:03 -0500
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>Hi all!
>
>I am looking for a fic set in the alt. universe. I can't remember all of
>it but Clark/Superman is writing novels as "Clark Lane" when Lois comes
>back from the Congo. She creates a new identity for Clark as her husband
>"Clark Lane" who is blind.
>
>Anyone able to tell me the name or author?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Liz
>
>

It's "Always Something There to Remind Me" by Zoomway.  It's a great story!

Nethra
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Date:         Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:37:43 -0500
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From:         Pam Jernigan <jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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>> To us on this side of the Atlantic, a shop is where we buy things
(Americans refer to it as a store? To us, a store is where things are
kept - stored!). And if our cars need to be repaired, we'd take them
to a garage! Yes, I  know a garage is also a building attached to a
house where a car is parked overnight, but who says language has to
be consistent? <<

I think we use shop and store both, perhaps using store more often
(grocery store, book store, flower shop)  I guess it kind of depends on t=
he
type of things you buy there :-)  In my vignette, when I referred to the
"shop" I was shortening "auto-body shop", which is obviously a place to g=
et
your car fixed, but we also take our cars to garages.  =

And then there's my family, which needs cars fixed so often, we just refe=
r
to the mechanics by name... <sigh>

And while we're on the language subject, I'll throw in my lil contributio=
n:
 The US has curbs instead of kerbs :-)  Pronounced the same, as far as I
know, not that that matters too much in fanfic <g>

PJ
who is also posting way too much lately <g>

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Date:         Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:37:39 -0500
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>> re: Pam's scene "answer"

Loved it! If that and your Forget Me Not, redux had been filmed, I would
have been a very happy camper! But I do think Clark was in shock that she=

would even pick Lex over him, and thus couldn't move and just stood there=
.
<<

Thank you, Nethra ... and yes, you're probably right, he was just in shoc=
k.
 But that moment came on top of so many other stupid moments that I have
no patience left.  Lex was at Clark's apartment -- why didn't Clark do
something with him then?  Jimmy *told* Clark about the novel, why didn't =
he
introduce himself as "Kent"?  How the heck did Lex get to the club before=

Clark??  I don't like to think of Clark as an idiot, but the evidence her=
e
was pretty overwhelming... and that's just the stuff I remember from that=

first, and only, painful viewing of the episode.  Oh well :-)  Maybe I'll=

go rewatch Tempus Fugitive (or AKAS, just to keep the fourth season theme=
)
to cheer me up <g>

PJ

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Date:         Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:37:42 -0500
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>> Having just re-watched DJ and Seconds yesterday, your little scene
(followed by FMN, R) would have been just perfect!! <<

Well, something along those lines, anyway, I'm sure I could be improved
upon :-) but thanks...

>> Why, oh why, did the scriptwriters make such a mess of the
characterisations over these five episodes? Why did the actors let
them get away with it? Why was Clark turned into such a wimp? And WHY
was there no proper resolution of all of this? <<

It was ABC's fault; they wanted to milk the wedding for maximum
ratings (unfortunately, they milked it dry and turned a lot of people off=

-- if the ARRGH had ended with L&C being married, as originally planned,
that would have helped a lot, I think).  As for the actors, I suspect Ter=
i
was seduced by the prospect of playing all those different characters
(Wanda, of course, and then there were the three very different
characterizations of Clois - oy!)  I've no idea what Dean's excuse might
be, other than that the network suits probably didn't give them much
choice.

>> Wendy
(whose brain has ever since been churning out dialogue for a
pre-IASWAL fanfic which would 'close' the AAARRGHHHH properly - why
hasn't someone invented software to transfer thoughts directly from
the brain to the computer screen without the need for me to find time
to sit down at the keyboard and type it!!) <<

LOL, that would be so handy, wouldn't it?  If you find such a machine, le=
t
me know!! :-)

PJ

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Date:         Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:32:09 -0600
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From:         "Tull, James [CORP/STL]" <James.Tull@EMRSN.COM>
Subject:      Searching for Susan Stone
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Hi to all Lois and Clark fans,
        My wife and I have read some fan fic from Susan Stone and would like
to get a hold of her and talk with her about her work, which we think is
excellent. We have read her two stories, ALIENS AND STRANGERS & LANEY AND
THE GIANT KILLERS and want to find out if she has more.  The email address,
sstone@sas.upenn.edu, seems to be out of date.
        Does anyone know how to get a hold of her?  Thank you for your help?

MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James
Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on
your own understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will
direct your path. NIV
Please visit and explore my house at:
http://www.geocities.com/area51/starship/7859
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Date:         Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:18:34 +1100
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I guess my earlier copy of this post didn't make it thru to the list, or
else this thread would not be continuing...

I have to butt in here to say that I read a report that the Nick Cage
Superman Lives movie has now been permanently SHELVED. ie It is NOT going
to be made, let alone released.  There were all sorts of problems with the
script, let alone the casting of Mr Cage (who, though a good actor, is not
right for the part of Superman, IMHO).

Here is the copy of the report that i read:
>>This piece of info is a tad late, but I only just read it and I don't
>>think i've seen it on the group so heres a bit a blatantley snipped info
>>about SUPERMAN LIVES from Coronas Coming Attractions:
>>
>>January 4, 1999... Here comes a CA exclusive for you: info so hot most
>>Warner Bros. employees will learn about it here first. Thanks to our
>>friend 'Mr. WB', we learn that a meeting was held on Sunday that may
>>have sealed the film's fate...
>>
>>"It's me again, this time with another report from the Warner Bros.
>>publicity department.
>>
>>"This is the big news: it appears the top brass held an informal,
>>at-somebody's-house meeting yesterday (Sunday, January 3) and
>>decided a few things about WB's future schedule. It sounds like we're
>>in trouble, what with the relative and expensive failure of Soldier
>>(although people are pleasantly surprised by You've Got Mail, on its
>>way to $100). Some publicity ideas for The Wild, Wild West were
>>kicked around and approved, so work has begun en masse for that
>>flick. But here's what you really want to know: there was an order
>>on my desk this morning to destroy ALL PUBLICITY MATERIALS,
>>PROSPECTIVE OR OTHERWISE, for SUPERMAN LIVES. The
>>project has been shelved because of an unnecessarily escalating
>>pre-production budget ($103.4 million has been spent to date), and
>>the PTB are tired of delays.
>>
>>"So, I guess you can all let your collective breath out, because
>>SUPERMAN LIVES, for now, ain't flyin' nowhere."
>>

Jen.
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I would like to thank everybody for all the vast amount of information =
they gave me for my fanfic.

I was overwhelmed with how many of you had taken the time to do this for =
me, as I have only been on the list for a couple of months.  Some of the =
replies were really funny and me and my family had a good laugh.

Thanks again and the information has been a great help to me.

Kind regards
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Pam,

Yes!!! That's the scene I would have liked to have seen.  Thanks for
rewriting
it for us.

Ann
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Hi

> I have to butt in here to say that I read a report that the Nick Cage
> Superman Lives movie has now been permanently SHELVED. ie It is NOT going
> to be made, let alone released.

I read in the latest issue of PEOPLE magazine that Nick Cage was quoted as
saying that if Superman Lives ever went into production he'd be there.  To
me
this sounds like there is still a chance that it will be made.

IRC:
If someone could e-mail me privatly and tell me how to get on the IRC that
would be great.
Thanks in advance.

Ruth
ruthlg@apk.net
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Wendy Richards wrote:

> Jenny Stosser wrote:
>
> >"So, I guess you can all let your collective breath out, because
> >SUPERMAN LIVES, for now, ain't flyin' nowhere."
>
> Well I, for one, and very glad that is confirmed - I couldn't stand
> the thought of Nicholas Cage as Clark Kent  (yuck...eeewwww!!!) and I
> wouldn't even have been able to sit through trailers, let alone see
> the film. As for what I had read about the script... well, let's say
> it's just as well it's not happening.
>

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, or good news, the messenger always
seems to get it in the end.  Anyway, word out of lala land is that the
Superman movie is in preproduction still.  Tim Burton is no longer going
to direct although Nicholas Cage is still onboard as Supes.  The script
is apparently finished and they are shopping around for a new director.
More when I get more info from my snitch on the lot.

Mark
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In a message dated 2/28/99 7:04:22 PM Central Standard Time,
JCWimmer@AOL.COM
writes:

<< So, in conclusion, I would very much like my stories to stay on the
ballot.
 While it is intimidating to be up against Sheila and Zoom and KathyB... it
is
 an honor to be considered among them. >>

Crys, *I'm* the one who's honored, you do a great job. To me, the Kerths
aren't about awards so much as a fan community event, having fun, teasing
(we
were switching our nicks last year to some variation of Susan Luci .. er
Lucci
.. Luchi? Suzanne? <g> (probably misspelling it a lot too ;) the much
nominated, but never winning, soap actress <g>  We were cheering on *all*
the
nominees, and then going crazy with scroll after scroll of congratulations
to
them (this taking place on the other channel, sort of "backstage" at the
Kerths, that channel being moderated to keep the scroll down)  However, the
whole experience last year made me understand those in "showbiz" who say the
real honor is in being nominated. It means someone saw what you did and
thought enough of it to nominate you.  It's just very touching, at least I
feel that way about it.

Zoomway@aol.com (Congratulations to the nominees, and thank you to those who
nominated my story, I'm very flattered... and honored, doggone it ;)
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Hey Eileen!

Tried to mail this to you personally this evening, but the message came =
back address unknown, so......
=20
Forgive me if I've gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick entirely =
here and I have the wrong person, but from your post to the list this =
evening, can I assume that you were the UK FoLC who asked for help with =
conversion to UK-US English for her fanfic?  (I did my usual neat job of =
hitting the delete button on all my old posts long before I should have =
<g>)
=20
If the answer is yes and you're not looking blankly at the screen right =
now, wondering who this idiot is.......can I offer some advice?
=20
I started writing LNC fanfic last year and, like you, immediately =
realized that I needed some help with the logistics of life in the US. =
There are just too many differences to deal with on the list (some of =
them most surprising! I discover something new every day. Today I =
discovered that in the US glasses have temples not arms or legs. <g> =
Thanks, Becky!) - you could go on forever. And its always the little =
niggling details that you miss - the everyday things that no one who =
lives in the US ever thinks to mention because they are so common - that =
you really need to know about!
=20
So......what you need is a marvellous little invention called - a US =
proofer. <g> All that I did was post to Zoom's mb  (but the list will do =
as well) requesting that some kind US FoLC might help me out by proofing =
my fanfic before I posted them and correcting any UK-US variations.
=20
Apart from the fact that I have learned so much that I never knew about =
life in the US and the differences in our cultures - you also get your =
fanfic proofed and you meet some *really* nice FoLCs all at the same =
time.
=20
Anyway - its worked so well for me that I just thought I'd recommend it, =
if no one has volunteered offlist already.
=20
Good luck!
=20
LabRat :)
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who asked=20
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should=20
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I believe the phrase IMHO is
In my humble opinion
or
In my honest opinion

Kismet
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I could be absolutely wrong, but I always assumed that the TV version of the
wedding took so long to occur so that the wedding would coincide with the
comic book version of the wedding.

Pam Jernigan wrote:

> It was ABC's fault; they wanted to milk the wedding for maximum
> ratings (unfortunately, they milked it dry and turned a lot of people off
> -- if the ARRGH had ended with L&C being married, as originally planned,
> that would have helped a lot, I think).  As for the actors, I suspect Teri
> was seduced by the prospect of playing all those different characters
> (Wanda, of course, and then there were the three very different
> characterizations of Clois - oy!)  I've no idea what Dean's excuse might
> be, other than that the network suits probably didn't give them much
> choice.

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In a message dated 2/28/99 4:22:36 PM Central Standard Time,
Cdfisler@AOL.COM
writes:

<< Sorry, Zoom but given the background, even if Lois does change her
attitude
in
 Season II (to give her her due, she becomes a real partner to Clark, even
 saving him a couple of times both as Superman and more important as Clark)
I
 can easily see how Clark would still be unsure of her even after her
 declaration in WWW.  So how can she blame him?  But she does, "You lied to
me
 for two years."
 This from the girl who told Perry, ("but don't you lie to him") of course,
 etc. Sorry but the girl still has a double standard and it is obviously
still
 in effect after the proposal. >>

The problem is all of this proceeds from a false beginning.  That is,
instead
of confessing his true feelings to Lois, when Clark of *all* people knew she
loved Superman, he should have had *Superman* warn her about Lex Luthor.
That
was the whole *point*.  Even Clark's mother told Clark to keep Lois away
from
Lex because of what a monster he is.  "Clark Kent" warning Lois about Lex
would have rightfully seemed ludicrous to Lois.  She had seen Lex a lot more
than Clark, and even when Clark encountered Lex, she was usually with him,
or
at the very least, as in PML, when Clark and Lex did speak without Lois
being
there, others were.  In the end, why would "Clark" know more about Lex than
Lois?  At least from Lois' point of view? Worse, when Clark did warn Lois,
he
sounded more like he was jealous of Lex rather than having any concrete
points
for backing up his accusations.

Superman, on the other hand, could have convinced Lois. Not just because she
seemed to believe him unconditionally, but due to many factors, including x-
ray vision, super hearing, Superman having to deal with the "bad buys" of
Metropolis, etc., there's just a lot more credence that could be given to
*him* warning her about Lex.  Instead, we get Clark having hurt feelings,
and
so he let's that stand in the way of Lois going off with a monster.  He lost
sight of the original goal of preventing the marriage, instead drifting into
"I love you" and since you don't love me, go ahead, get in bed with the
devil.

In turn, showing how alike Lois and Clark were, Lois had hurt feelings due
to
Superman spurning her (AKA "Clark's Revenge") and so decided to marry Lex
Luthor.  Clark stopped being a hero when she needed one most, and Lois
stopped
being a tenacious, tough investigative reporter when she needed to be one
most.  They both raised a white flag.

Now we move forward to second season, and Clark did something rather smart,
but probably not deliberately. He made Superman more of a presence in Lois'
life instead of avoiding her as Superman, thus allowing Superman to be more
of
a "person" in her eyes. So much of "Clark" started bleeding through, that in
Operation Blackout, he was bemused by her predicament with the flag pole
(only
Lois could get in that kind of jam) and teased with her about it, like Clark
would have.

In Bolt from the Blue, something pivotal happened. Something that knocked
Superman down a notch on Lois' pedestal -- he lied to her, or more
precisely,
he deliberately misled her.  Prior to that, Lois would have seen Superman as
incapable of such duplicity. Then another pivotal moment in Metallo. Lois
confessed to Clark that what attracts her to Superman is *not* his super
powers (she said this in Barbarians at the Planet too)  It's his kindness,
his
innate goodness -- "he's a lot like you (Clark)"   She also confessed (of
Clark) to Superman that "there's nothing I wouldn't do for him".  All of
this
gave Clark *realistic* hope that Lois might be agreeable to a date, and sure
enough, she was ;)  We then fast forward to the "moment of truth" episode,
Whine Whine Whine.

In Dr. Friskin's office, Lois complained that all the men in her life had
been
controlling or liars and wondered aloud, "If I *want* that kind of man and
*get* that kind of man, then why am I not happy?"  "You like chocolate,
right?" "How come everybody knows that?"  "But you know it's not good for
you,
and the older and wiser we get, the less tolerance we have for things that
aren't good for us."    Friskin tells Lois she's not a victim, and that she
knows who she wants, and she's known all along, "the problem is, he's just
as
scared as you are. So, who's going to step up and say the scary words?"
Lois
steps up to the plate ;)

Lois dumped Scardino and tearfully relegated Superman to friendship.
Tearfully because she still loved him, she always has, and she always will,
but not in the way she came to love Clark.  Clark was the one, and they both
decided to take "the next step"; a committed *exclusive* relationship.
Then,
in The Answer Is, Lois told  Superman "Tell *Clark* that I love him."  The
episode ends with Clark proposing to Lois. We then open with We Have a Lot
to
Talk About and Lois unmasking Clark. "How long have I known? Since
yesterday.
How did I find out? When you did this," she said, and placed a hand on his
cheek. "You've touched me before, *both* of you, but I guess almost dying
heightens the senses. Sort of like putting on a pair of glasses."

Here is where the argument that Clark had a right to be suspicious and to
propose to Lois without telling her the truth for fear that she might accept
only because he was really Superman falls to pieces.  First of all,
attempting
to start a marriage on an utter lie was a lousy way to begin, but also, once
Clark found out that Lois knew the truth *before* he proposed and *still*
turned him down, should have told him *right* there that she had no interest
in accepting a proposal from Superman either.

Think about it, even later in the parking lot Clark explained he needed to
know that she would marry him as Clark rather than Superman and then he'd
have
told her everything (his word for "the truth" apparently ;) Then the ironic
comment from Lois "I guess we'll never know then, will we." is compeltely
lost
on Clark because if he thought about it, wouldn't Lois, if she wanted
Superman
and knew Clark *was* Superman, have said "Yes! Of *course* I'll marry you!"
and then just "pretend" to be surprised later when he "told her everything"?
Tempus needed to pop in momentarily and shout, "How *dumb* was he?" <g>

If Clark was still *that* suspicious and untrusting of Lois, he should
*never*
have proposed in the first place.

Zoomway@aol.com
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At the risk of being accused of turning this into a comic book listserv,
at the beginning of the Seconds ep, Lex lures Sman, by an
ultra-frequency message, to a park bench at the corner of Kirby and
Steranko.   Kirby and Steranko are two artists primarily known for their
work at Marvel Comics (DC Comics's rival), although both did some work
for DC as well.
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At 08:42 PM 3/1/99 EST, The Zoomway wrote:
>If Clark was still *that* suspicious and untrusting of Lois, he should
*never*
>have proposed in the first place.

Except he wasn't that suspicious and untrusting of her.  His brain just
quits functioning when Lois hurts his feelings  :P  I love Clark dearly; I
think he's as close to a perfect male as any real female could stand, but
there's no denying that he does some dunderheaded things.

Think about it:  Lois turns down his proposal of marriage in BatP, and he
immediately turns around and rejects her as Superman instead of warning her
about Lex.

When she turns down his marriage proposal in WHALTTA, he doesn't hear her
saying "Not *yet.*"  He only hears, "No."  Then he comes up with that stupid
explanation in the parking lot that he had to know that Lois would be
willing to marry *Clark,* not Superman.  And that was after she literally
laid down her life for his parents because it was the only way she could
help Clark ("Greater love hath no man, etc.")

When (as Wanda Detroit in DJ) she turns Clark down and drives away with Lex,
he lets her go off with a wanted criminal.  I don't see the issue being
whether she's in her right mind or not because (if we cut Clark the same
slack we cut the first season Lois) he doesn't know that she's lost her
memory and is living out her novel.  However, Clark is still Superman, and
he has a moral responsibility to bring Lex in.  Besides, hauling Lex in
wouldn't have forced Lois to do anything against *her* will.

Anyway, my point is that Clark's brain goes into hiding and he just reacts
to his hurt, at least when he's feeling rejected by Lois.  If he ever
actually thought about it, he would undoubtedly realize that he's acting
like an idiot, but the point is that he doesn't think.  He just reacts.

I'm glad that marriage seemed to cure that tendency of his, perhaps because
there was no reason for him to feel rejected by Lois, but whatever the
reason, he didn't act that way after he and Lois were married.  Another
reason, I guess, that I prefer to write L&C after they're married:  they
both act a lot more grown up :)

Sheila Harper
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At 9:29 AM +0000 3/1/99, LabRat wrote:
>. But a big thing is made of her new haircut at the start of  this
>episode, when Jimmy's new girlfriend decides its cool and Lois says that
>she cut it short after seeing herself on the wanted posters.  <g>

Well, I stand (sit?) corrected!  Makes me wonder if my station cut out that
scene since I have absolutely no memory of it. LOL!

But actually, I kind of liked B&C&L&C. <g>

Kathy

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In a message dated 3/1/99 12:07:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes:

<< In interviews that summer, Dean assured
 everyone that his hair would be grown back in time for LOTF, but I think he
 overestimated how fast his hair would grow if he believed that. <g> >>

Hmmm .. was he dating during this time?

I know some very interesting theories on what makes one's hair grow faster.

<VBG>
Anne ;)
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At 9:32 AM -0600 3/1/99, Tull, James [CORP/STL] wrote:
>Hi to all Lois and Clark fans,
>        My wife and I have read some fan fic from Susan Stone and would
like
>to get a hold of her and talk with her about her work, which we think is
>excellent. We have read her two stories, ALIENS AND STRANGERS & LANEY AND
>THE GIANT KILLERS and want to find out if she has more.  The email address,
>sstone@sas.upenn.edu, seems to be out of date.
>        Does anyone know how to get a hold of her?  Thank you for your
help?
>

Boy, I'm pulling out an old memory here, but I seem to remember emailing
with Susan once a long time ago -- 2 years ago maybe? And she said that she
was starting a very busy schedule (starting/graduating college maybe?), and
that she was dropping out of FoLCdom due to this lack of time, and didn't
plan to continue the series (which I agree is outstanding).  I can't swear
my memory is correct on this, but this is what comes to mind.

If you do track her down, I'd love to hear how she's doing!

Kathy

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Thankyou to whomever sent this to me!?  It's pretty neat!!

jme

Terry Thurston wrote:

> I saw this item for sale at eBay, i thought that you guys might like
> this
>
> Title of item:  TERI HATCHER One Dollar Bill
> Seller: chanhmle3@yahoo.com
> Starts: 02/22/99 20:17:50 PST
> Ends:   03/01/99 20:17:50 PST
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>
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>
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> This one dollar bill has a picture photo of  Teri Hatcher
>
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Thankyou to whomever sent this to me!?&nbsp; It's pretty neat!!

<P>jme
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;

<P>Terry Thurston wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I saw this item for sale at eBay, i thought that
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<P>Title of item:&nbsp; TERI HATCHER One Dollar Bill
<BR>Seller: chanhmle3@yahoo.com
<BR>Starts: 02/22/99 20:17:50 PST
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<P>Item Description:

<P>98degrees

<P>&nbsp;Teri Hatcher

<P>&nbsp;One Dollar Bill
<BR>This one dollar bill has a picture photo of&nbsp; Teri Hatcher

<P>nicely affixed over George Washington on a real, mint, uncirculated
dollar bill-legal and negotiable. This dollar bill is permitted by the
U.S. government. It is a very very cool collectible! Take a look for
yourself
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Nethra Ankam wrote:
Yes it is isn't it! Thanks for the help.

Liz
>
> It's "Always Something There to Remind Me" by Zoomway.  It's a great
story!
>
> Nethra
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As an Australian I feel compelled to clear up a serious (if you're a fan of
the sport) misunderstanding here. :)

Footie (correctly spelled Footy) is not Soccer.  Ask any soccer or footy fan
<g>  It is Australian Rules Football AKA Aussie Rules AKA Aerial Pingpong.
It involves a lot of running and kicking and something kind of like
dribbling in basketball (players running with the ball must bounce it off
the ground every few steps which is not as easy as it sounds since the balls
are the same shape as the ones used in American Football (referred here as
Gridiron to differentiate from Footy) and jumping up on the backs of other
players (usually the opposing team :) to catch or "mark" the ball.

As a little piece of side trivia, the game of aussie rules was invented to
keep the cricket players in shape during winter.  It has now evolved into a
sport with it's own leagues, it's own playoffs and it's own rabid fans. :)

As for Rugby League and Rugby Union, I'm told there is a difference between
the two but I don't know and I don't care.  The only reason I know about
footy and cricket is a brother who loves the former and a father who loves
the latter - and me with no tv of my own. :)

Here endeth the lesson...

jem
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From: The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM>
To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
<LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
Date: Monday, 1 March 1999 8:25
Subject: Re: Information Please

>In a message dated 2/28/99 10:19:32 AM Central Standard Time,
>sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:
>
>You had me rolling on the floor, there, Sheila <G> I used to be (used to
be?
>;) on line so late at night that I'd run into Aussie L&C fans.  There was a
>sentence I remember to this day that I had to have a translation for: "Went
to
>the footie Saturday arvo. Had the sunnies and jumper and looked daggy!"
Now,
>I'm not sure I spelled all of that correctly, but it meant this person went
to
>a football (Soccer) game Saturday afternoon wearing a sweater and
sunglasses
>and felt they looked nerdy or geeky in some way.  As best I can recall the
>translation ;)
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Jamee Jones wrote:

>  >>Thankyou to whomever sent this to me!?  It's pretty neat!! <<

I can't believe I just did that!! I have been emailing so many people on
ebay lately about certain items, I didn't realize this was from the
fanfic list!! I sat there thinking, who in the world sent this to me? I
don't know a Terry Thurston! But mommy always taught me to say thankyou!
So I did! hehehehe;)

jme......who thinks her hubby put *a little* too much brandy and cream
liquer in her milk tonight!!
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Annobelle said:

> >
> >Just wanted tosay that I amsorry for asking about Deans address.  I
> >should never have done it.  I am sorry if I offended anyone.
>
> and then Karen Ward wrote:

> >>  I was the one who made the mistake by publicly
> posting the address I had discovered when I probably should have
> emailed
> you privately.<<

OH please don't feel bad! I too said something about hearing he lived
somewhere in Malibu by Paradise Cove.  sometimes we just say things and
don't think about what it involves, but we don't mean any harm by it. I
know I do this ALL of the time! Probably
why I don't post as much either!<g> Not that anyone has ever, ever made
me feel like I can't! That's just me and my little insecurities!;) But
everyone here is so incredibly nice and understanding, they have never
made me feel this way and I know they don't want you too either!:o)

jme
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To add to what Louise has said, Aussie Rules is very much like the Irish
game of Gaelic football, except with an oval ball and different goal
posts.

Unlike soccer, which does not allow players to touch the ball with their
hands (except the goal keeper), Aussie Rules relies equally on good feet
and handskills.

Followers of the game are fanatical about their teams, especially in the
states of Victoria and South Australia - it is almost a religion!
Alright, I confess to being a rabid follower of the Adelaide Crows!
(Premiers the last two years running!)

Enough cheering, "daggy" has a slightly different meaning to "nerdy" or
"geeky"

The "dag" is the dirty bit of wool at the back of a sheep around its
tail (if you get my drift). To be a dag is to be odd, eccentric, or
either dirty and slovenly or whilst neat in appearance and conservative
in manners, lacking in style and panache.

BTW in Australia we wear windcheaters - to Americans, long sleeved
sweatshirts.

I'll get back to LNC now.

Liz O

Louise Kendall wrote:
>
> As an Australian I feel compelled to clear up a serious (if you're a fan
of
> the sport) misunderstanding here. :)
>
> Footie (correctly spelled Footy) is not Soccer.  Ask any soccer or footy
fan
> <g>  It is Australian Rules Football AKA Aussie Rules AKA Aerial Pingpong.
> It involves a lot of running and kicking and something kind of like
> dribbling in basketball (players running with the ball must bounce it off
> the ground every few steps which is not as easy as it sounds since the
balls
> are the same shape as the ones used in American Football (referred here as
> Gridiron to differentiate from Footy) and jumping up on the backs of other
> players (usually the opposing team :) to catch or "mark" the ball.
>
> As a little piece of side trivia, the game of aussie rules was invented to
> keep the cricket players in shape during winter.  It has now evolved into
a
> sport with it's own leagues, it's own playoffs and it's own rabid fans. :)
>
> As for Rugby League and Rugby Union, I'm told there is a difference
between
> the two but I don't know and I don't care.  The only reason I know about
> footy and cricket is a brother who loves the former and a father who loves
> the latter - and me with no tv of my own. :)
>
> Here endeth the lesson...
>
> jem
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In a message dated 3/1/99 9:02:08 PM Central Standard Time,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<< Think about it:  Lois turns down his proposal of marriage in BatP, and he
 immediately turns around and rejects her as Superman instead of warning her
 about Lex. >>

Er... he didn't propose to Lois in BatP, did he?  I thought he just
confessed
that he loved her?  "You must have known." Lois is totally flummoxed. "I
guess
I did, well, I guess I knew you were attracted to me.." and then goes on to
tell him that she doesn't feel the same way about him, romantically.  She
says
she does love him as a friend and he's the only partner she could stand to
have, but I don't remember a proposal.

>>>When she turns down his marriage proposal in WHALTTA, he doesn't hear her
saying "Not *yet.*"  He only hears, "No."  Then he comes up with that stupid
explanation in the parking lot that he had to know that Lois would be
willing to marry *Clark,* not Superman.  And that was after she literally
laid down her life for his parents because it was the only way she could
help Clark<<<

I agree. Though, what makes them so alike again, is that Clark shut off his
hearing  at "No", as you said, and then wasn't going to even permit an
attempt
at an explanation or apology from Lois.  He literally recoils from her
attempt
to kiss him, won't listen to what she's saying about both of them
overreacting, and he runs out pretending to hear sirens.  It's not all too
different from Lois' "avoidance" behavior in LL.  She rambles on about the
Bath Friend and Desk Friend while he's trying to get through to her about
what
happened. She even launches him at Mayson.  For both of them, the only
coping
skill they seemed to have in their "relationship-challenged" experience, was
to .. run ;)  What's also funny, is that they can't see it in themselves.
Clark is the king of avoidance in WHALTTA, but in Just Say Noah, he talks
about making his mistake with Lois in Contact, and "Bam" the door slams in
my
face and the Supreme Court isn't hearing any appeals.  Lois probably felt
the
same way in this episode ;)

>>>>When (as Wanda Detroit in DJ) she turns Clark down and drives away with
Lex,
he lets her go off with a wanted criminal.  I don't see the issue being
whether she's in her right mind or not because (if we cut Clark the same
slack we cut the first season Lois) he doesn't know that she's lost her
memory and is living out her novel.  However, Clark is still Superman, and
he has a moral responsibility to bring Lex in.  Besides, hauling Lex in
wouldn't have forced Lois to do anything against *her* will.<<<

I'm not giving either of them a pass on their behavior, other than to say
they
both reacted similarly when taking a severe blow to the heart. They
retreated,
deflated, and felt very very hurt. If they loved each other any less, it
wouldn't be a problem, but fortunately for us, they loved each other very
much
;)

>>>Anyway, my point is that Clark's brain goes into hiding and he just
reacts
to his hurt, at least when he's feeling rejected by Lois.  If he ever
actually thought about it, he would undoubtedly realize that he's acting
like an idiot, but the point is that he doesn't think.  He just reacts.<<

What saves Clark here (not that he needs it ;) is that he almost lost Lois,
and if she had died without ever knowing why, he'd never forgive himself, as
he so eloquently said. Now, that *sounds*  to us (the audience), and to
Lois,
as if he's going to tell her the truth.  She's ready for that, obviously.
Then, to her, and our surprise, he proposes marriage.  To me, and admittedly
it's a stretch, I think Clark's heart was so full of love at that moment, he
wanted to tell Lois how much he loved her *first*. To show her he wanted her
with him for the rest of  his life. That was the *priority* message he
wanted
to send. *That* was what was important to Clark at that moment, and not that
he was Superman, not that he didn't trust Lois, but rather, what was in his
heart.

I think that's why he didn't mind at all offering the ring a second time in
the Superman costume, she now knew the secret, she should just see him as
Clark, regardless of the "suit", and that should be that.  But to Lois, it
*wasn't* that simple, and having him in the suit just made it worse.  "But
that's just it, I don't know anymore."  She went through two years of
thinking
they were two different men, and suddenly she not only knows they're the
same
man, but both of them -- him, what to marry her.  As she said, "It's just
too
much"  She was overloaded by the whole thing.  But, as you said, Clark
stopped
listening at "No".  His whole attitude, demeanor, expression, body language,
everything, changed.  Lois lashes out, "Don't get petulant with me, *I'm*
the
one who was lied too."  Clark lashes back, "Oh, so I'm not supposed to
*feel*
anything?"  To Lois it's a trust issue, and to Clark it's a rejection issue,
but both are wonderfully miserable ;)

By the parking lot scene, it's still a trust issue for Lois, and still a
rejection issue for Clark, but his weird comment "Because you found out
something about me that you just didn't like" expressed a rejection that
didn't even happen. As I've said before, it was like programming from
childhood "don't let them know you're 'different' or they won't like you"
So
no matter *what* Lois really said, Clark heard something that only existed
in
his own mind.  Then, in the next episode, Lois accepts him for that
difference, even granting that she doesn't understand it or his fear
completely, she knows it's part of  him, the *whole* him, the man/men she
loves.

I still believe that Clark, if he *truly* didn't trust Lois enough by then
to
know whether it was "Clark" or "Superman" she loved, then it was the *wrong*
time to propose, but since I think he might have proposed first simply
because
his love for her was what he was trying to convey, then he really wasn't
trying to be deceptive. ATAI really accelerated things. It started with
Clark
determined to tell her the truth, because he felt their relationship
couldn't
go any further until Lois knew the truth.  Then, when Lois went to him (as
Superman) and was so desperate, "You haven't seen him Superman, he *needs*
me,
and I have never needed you more than I do right now. You just can't turn me
down. You can't."   Of course he couldn't, he never could. Great
expressiveness from both Dean and Teri in that scene.  He looks at her as if
she's the most brave and amazing person on the planet, and he loves her so
much.

I think this changed everything for Clark in that instant.  It was no longer
necessary to play the dating game with Lois.  All he ever needed to know
about
her, or would ever need to know about her, happened in those few minutes.
He
felt this so deeply that he wanted to overshoot "the next step" of a
committed
dating relationship, and move right to a lifetime commitment with her.  It's
what makes his line at the end of Just Say Noah so poignant, "My love is
forever because... because it just is."  He didn't give a reason, because he
didn't need one.  Lois, on the other hand, took a *little* more convincing,
but it was fun watching Clark ... convince her ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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In a message dated 3/1/99 4:13:45 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM
writes:

<<
 I wish you wouldn't ask these questions, Charlotte <g> because you've made
 me dash off *another* very short fanfic, and I really need my sleep!
 Anyway, in very brief dramatized form, here's my answer:
 *** >>
Great post.  Sorry to disturb your sleep - NOT.

And here I thought I was making a great personal statement instead I find
the
writers were just messing up.

Re: <<Forget Me Not, Redux" though, if you'd like more resolution <g>>>

I already read that one and loved it too.  But that does not preclude me
from
enjoying parts of the wedding arc.  As I said once before, there are
wonderful
parts in the whole thing (the Clone's sacrifice comes to mind) but since you
mentioned Forget Me Not, I will dwell on the final two episodes in this
post,
Forget me not and Oedipus Wreaks.

First off  (Forget me not) who can not love the scene in Clark's apartment
when Lois begins to remember - Clark's 'sign.'  So many wonderful things,
not
the least of which - to me personally - is the bit about the cream sodas in
the refrigerator.  I had forgotten how much I love cream sodas and after
watching have given up colas which I only tolerated in favor of cream sodas.
(Hint hint to all of you - you can see how out of step with most people I am
here)

( The former soda comment is not OT because we all bring our own experiences
to the arts and that is one thing that makes them so wonderful)

And of course the flight with Superman afterwards when Lois says he's the
strongest man in the world but he has such gentleness in his eyes. Yes!!
That's my Superman and my Lois Lane would instinctively understand that
about
him.

Other wonderful touches: Clark stands on the tree outside her hospital
window,
Lois stands inside looking into a mirror wondering who she is.  Superman
tells
Lois, when she asks about Clark, that Clark has someone he can't live
without.
Strangely enough, Lois telling Max she's always wanted to fly.  (Too bad
like
Dan Scardino he never listened to her)  Later Superman tells her she was
always meant to fly.

Lois as reporter investigating like Nancy Drew, 'whoever she is.'  During
the
interaction between the two partners in Clark's apartment, Clark complains
that she always jumps in and she responds that he's always too cautious.
(Look it up on your tapes - I don't remember the exact dialog) Just Lois and
Clark being themselves and showing how their different ways made the
partnership work. I could go on but you get the picture.

Now for Oedipus Wreaks: I like Forget Me Not Redux because it uses the media
of literature to tell the story of Lois re