From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9902D" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:08:43 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cliff Englert Subject: Interesting thing In-Reply-To: <6f9a6144.36d0a6ac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I found this while looking through the Transformation Graphics Archive. Its some pictures of a really old Superman comic (I'm not exactly sure from when, it doesn't say), but it's about Lois becoming a baby. It's really strange, but I thought I would mention it for anyone who's interested, and wants a break from this whole slander problem. It's at http://tga.transform.to/cgi-bin/sequence2.cgi?columns=1&mode=freeform&cat=/s equence/ll&text=Lois+Lane:+Crybaby+of+Metropolis&pics=9 Warning: it takes quite a while to load, it's quite big. Sambrea ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:10:10 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: This Whole Situation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-20 18:52:48 EST, you write: << *Everyone* who has an AOL account is guaranteed to get porno e-mail, >> Um, I dont' get any. Lucky me!! --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:22:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990221211846.007ef300@capitalnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:18 PM -0500 2/21/99, Margaret Brignell wrote: > Then, Clark wryly reiterated the quote >>from the poster ads displayed around town, "Lane and Kent, the hottest team >in town" to which Lois responded "*News* team". This is the phrase that >left me gasping. Lois' response indicated, to me anyway, that she was >rejecting Clark totally. >Her response was unnecessary and uncalled for. It was a mean thing to say >and I thought that this spiteful response was one of the worst things that >Lois did to Clark. I do see what you are saying here, but I didn't take the scene the same way. Lois was emotionally raw herself; not angry here, but crying. Clark had done something that made her doubt everything (breaking up with her) and she didn't know what to think. I didn't see her as angry at all when she said this, just sad and depressed and communicating that. I admit that when I first heard this line, my eyebrows went up and I thought "oh, no, don't say that!" which is surely what Clark was feeling/worrying. But I didn't take it as said in extreme anger or just to hurt him, but rather telling him that she couldn't give him a timetalbe for when she was going to move past this terrible sadness she was feeling about what he had done, and that he shouldn't just expect everything to be OK when they got to work. But I love your answer ... I hadn't thought of that scene when I was pondering this in my mind. I guess from the 'equal but opposite' perspective then, we'd have to include Clark's breaking up with her as a mean thing he did, since to her, it must have seemed incredibly cruel. ("He proposes, then he dumps me?? What kind of mind games is this??") Kathy (who still thinks the scene up to this was incredible .. from Clark's speech about "fever" to Lois's tearful "so you don't love me anymore?" to that kiss ... and the "no, I can't." Ooo, good gut-wrenching scene. But in a good way! ) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:23:39 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet In-Reply-To: <36D0953A.F8245A8B@apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:22 PM -0400 2/21/99, Ruth Link-Gelles wrote: >certain kinds of threats of bodily harm are allowed. Here's an example >taken from >real life: There is a site up off lists of abortion doctors. some dead Actually, weren't these website owners were just found guilty in the courts and ordered to remove the sites? Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:22:08 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Avia Tikotsky Subject: Looking for graphics... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hi everyone! I'm delurking for a moment to ask for your help. I'm looking for a graphic file of the Daily Planet logo as ir appears on the DP workstations (for example in the episode Virtually Destroyed). Please e-mail me privately with any information (no need to bother the whole list). Thank you very much Avia arli@internet-zahav.net.il aviatiko@excite.com aviatiko@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:33:51 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: NKWolke Subject: Re: Saint Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT oh oh no! Please, I don't want to "justify" anything Clark did. I just explain it. He makes a harsh response to Lois and I say: "Hey look' at our Saint-Clark he's not so saint after all!" . I also say that he's not beyond sexual jealousy but that this non-saint-weakness doesn't necessarily mean he's an abusive character (and neither is Lois, btw!)! I think we're driving in circles now. Don't we all agree? Clark is no Saint (but not abusive and very close to perfect), Lois is no Saint (and not abusive and also very close to perfect) and if they were they were totally boring ;-P. Nicole > << We shouldn't be too hard on poor Clark. He's definitely not the > abusive-type only because he makes some harsh remarks . >> > > I was afraid someone would get that out of my earlier post. What I was > meaning to say was that Clark is NOT abusive, but if you use sexual > jealousy as a reason to justify his actions, well, sexual jealousy can > be used to justify a lot of nasty things and I'd tread carefully in > those waters. AKA CKgroupie on IRC NKWolke@t-online.de ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:33:09 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Fanzine (was Re: A plethera of responses) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:00:33 -0600 Kathy Brown wrote: > > In a nutshell, the fanzine will consist of new stories by many well-known > fanfic authors (Sheila Harper, Zoomway, myself, many others). These > stories will not be available anywhere else. The fanzine will be available > for a donation (it's not free) but the profits will all go to help a FoLC > who has medical problems. We aren't out to make money on this; we are just > trying to help a FoLC. > > Hope that explains things -- and piques your curiousity! I've read just a > couple of the many stories that will be included and believe me, this will > be worth its donation price!! Hey Kathy, Great idea, even greater sense of anticipation for these stories... but how can UK FOLCS contribute without costing ourselves almost twice the value of the donation? I was able to give to the Archive appeal because I had some dollars left over from last year's holiday. But UK currency is of no use to you, I should imagine :) Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:11:41 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Good nfics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain > >You can find those stories at Anne's site, which is now back up and running, >thank God! > >http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm :) > >>From there, click on: The best in fanfic. > >You'll need to sign up for the password before you'll be able to read >anything. > >Hope this helps, >Mandy :) > >Where do you sign up for this password? I get to the site, but no deal like on Demi's pops up. Thanks, Rachel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:24:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Terry S. Horowit" Subject: lost story Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm another neophyte who discovered FoLC fanfics just a few months ago and has been since spending countless hours reading everything she can get her hands on (much to my husbands confusion and dismay - sigh). Anyway, I was recently reading a long story with multiple parts when my spouse needed to kick me off the web to get some work done. I copied the story from where I had left off reading to (I thought) its end onto a file. When I went back yesterday to finish it, I discovered that not only did I not copy the whole story (as in - no title or author!) but I also had only part of one chapter of a clearly very long story. I cannot remember on whose webpage or which archive I found this story originally and am afraid that without help, I'll NEVER find it again :< In this story, Lois is pregnant and almost losted the baby (who they have named Sam) due to a traffic accident while driving to lunch with Jimmy after having a fight with Clark. There is also an old acquaintance of Lois' named Josh who has received several Pulitzers, and who finds out Clark is Superman after he (Clark) is trapped in a cave-in. If this description rings anybody's bells, I'd appreciate a reminder of the source of the story! Thanks, Terry ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:27:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >At 12:39 PM 2/21/1999 -0600, Kathy wrote: >>What is the worst thing Lois has said/done to Clark? I'm not talking about >>rejecting him in BatP (she was very nice about that) or not taking him back >>in WIEAK (she was right not to! Go Lois!) but really mean stuff. > Margaret wrote: >Actually, I found one of Lois' lines at the end of WIEAK so nasty and >spiteful that it left me gasping for air. > --snip discussion of L&C's relationship and events preceding this final scene in WIEAK-- >I didn't think Clark deserved that. I know he wasn't doing a very good job >of apologizing, but to throw that line at him, right after he'd ask her >*not* to push him out of her life, I thought was mean and despicable. It >was as if she'd stuck the knife in him and then twisted it so it would hurt >the most. By emphasizing "news", Lois was basically saying they didn't >even have the relationship that they'd had since his third week on the job! > >Her response was unnecessary and uncalled for. It was a mean thing to say >and I thought that this spiteful response was one of the worst things that >Lois did to Clark. Ditto here! "Twisting" the knife...how descriptive, and how exactly what I felt when I saw this episode! Clark admits his mistake, apologizes for it, and then Lois refuses to forgive him, using the weak excuse that she believes he'll do it to her again (does she really think Clark is so dumb that he can't learn from his mistakes?) It looked to me like Lois just wanted to punish Clark for hurting her, and this impression was reinforced in JSN when Clark says, "you can't stay mad forever," and Lois replies, "Yes I can; it's a gift." Peggy gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:31:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Touching (was Non-Saint Lois) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy said: >So, what else has Lois done that was *really* bad? > >Kathy (whose theory is that Lois was really only mean to Clark in the first >few episodes ... Define "few." >can anyone come up with later episodes that disprove this?) Throughout the first season, even when Lois isn't saying anything specifically mean, her attitude toward Clark is arrogant and patronizing, and she always seems to be putting him down by comparing him unfavorably to Superman, or belittling him because of his rural background. In a fanfic I read recently, (sorry, I don't recall the name of author or story), the author said that it took a while for Lois to realize that Clark Kent wasn't "dirt," and that sums up my impression of Lois's early treatment of Clark. Along the same lines (or not--I'm not sure!), does anyone have any insights into why Lois touched Clark so much during the first & second seasons? (*Before* they started dating.) She was always touching his arms, his shoulders, his chest, (rubbing his chest!), patting his back...Why? At first I thought it was because she had an overwhelming sexual attraction to Clark (in spite of her denials), but she seemed uncomfortable touching him in The Phoenix after Clark asked her out, and I noticed also that she put her hand on Dan's knee just before she dumped him in WWW. I finally decided that it could be one more sign of Lois's belief that she was dominant over him (in working relationships, the dominant person touches; the subordinate one does not. So Perry might drape his arms over Jimmy's shoulders, but you probably won't see Jimmy doing the same thing to Perry), but I wasn't happy with that explanation either. I was uncomfortable watching her put her hands all over him because I've never seen anything like it in the office (unless something *was* going on between the two people), and I thought that if it had been a man violating a woman's personal space in that manner, she would have been screaming "sexual harassment." Can anyone offer any insights into her behavior? Peggy gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:36:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Touching (was Non-Saint Lois) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peggy wrote: I kind of always thought that it was a sign of friendly affection. Some people are touchers when it comes to their friends, even if they don't form those friendships easily. Clark never seemed to mind. Actually, Jimmy DID hug Perry in one episode, only to be told to NEVER do it again. I guess it depends upon the office and the people involved. The Planet's newsroom seems to be casual, compared to some corporate offices, and the co-workers seem to be friends. When you work with your friends, the rules are SOMETIMES a bit more relaxed. For example, a friend WANTS to hear the juicy details about a hot date, especially if he or she fixed you up in the first place. A co-worker might rather think of you in a purely "professional" sense only. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:32:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:22 PM 2/21/1999 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote: >At 9:18 PM -0500 2/21/99, Margaret Brignell wrote: >>Her response was unnecessary and uncalled for. It was a mean thing to say >>and I thought that this spiteful response was one of the worst things that >>Lois did to Clark. > >I do see what you are saying here, but I didn't take the scene the same >way. Lois was emotionally raw herself; not angry here, but crying. Clark >had done something that made her doubt everything (breaking up with her) >and she didn't know what to think. I didn't see her as angry at all when >she said this, just sad and depressed and communicating that. > >I admit that when I first heard this line, my eyebrows went up and I >thought "oh, no, don't say that!" which is surely what Clark was >feeling/worrying. But I didn't take it as said in extreme anger or just to >hurt him, but rather telling him that she couldn't give him a timetalbe for >when she was going to move past this terrible sadness she was feeling about >what he had done, and that he shouldn't just expect everything to be OK >when they got to work. I think I understand what you're saying, but I *do* think Lois was angry and lashed out at Clark. The problem with fighting with the people you know well is that you know *exactly* how to hurt them the most. Lois used that knowledge against Clark. >But I love your answer ... I hadn't thought of that scene when I was >pondering this in my mind. I guess from the 'equal but opposite' >perspective then, we'd have to include Clark's breaking up with her as a >mean thing he did, since to her, it must have seemed incredibly cruel. ("He >proposes, then he dumps me?? What kind of mind games is this??") I think the difference is that Clark wasn't intentionally trying to hurt Lois where it would do the most damage. Yes, he did hurt her, but he was inexperienced enough in relationships to not understand how much staying away from her to "protect her" from his enemies *would* hurt her. I think Clark had really no concept that Lois loved him that much. (And, to look on the bright side, by forcing Clark into no-mans-land the way she did, Lois made sure that Clark *did* understand how much she loved him;) Lois hurt Clark again at the end of Forget Me Knot by declaring her love for Dieter . However, I don't consider this one of the worst things that Lois did to Clark because Lois had no idea that her declaration would hurt Clark. (This doesn't mean that I *liked* that ending, it just means I don't blame Lois) I guess what it boils down to is that if you *know* that something will hurt the other person, and you still do or say it, that's much worse than hurting someone because you don't understand the implications of what you've said or done. The person still hurts, and you feel bad when you realize what a clumsy idiot you've been, but I don't think that's as bad as deliberately lashing out at someone. >Kathy (who still thinks the scene up to this was incredible .. from Clark's >speech about "fever" to Lois's tearful "so you don't love me anymore?" to >that kiss ... and the "no, I can't." Ooo, good gut-wrenching scene. But >in a good way! ) Oh, I agree:) It was just that "news" jab that got my ire up;\ Although, the jab probably did much to eventually improve their relationship it still was a rotten thing to say at the time. Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:37:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin J Vance Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! It's been a while since I posted, but this thread caught my eye and my interest, so I thought I would jump in with my thoughts:) Peggy said, in a previous post: "Clark admits his mistake, apologizes for it, and then Lois refuses to forgive him, using the weak excuse that she believes he'll do it to her again (does she really think Clark is so dumb that he can't learn from his mistakes?)" Well, actually Peggy (and others), I have to disagree on this point and go with Lois on this one (as Martha said:). Throughout the series, Clark struggled mightily to learn from his mistakes, but seemed to find it almost TOO difficult, again and again, to allow Lois to be an equal partner to him in their relationship struggles. What I mean is that Clark obviously felt so protective of Lois (naturally), and feared losing her above all else, that he quite often seemed to "forget" that Lois should be a part of the decision-making process too, at least in regards to their relationship. So, Lois would have been at least partly correct if she thought that Clark was not going to learn from his mistakes--because he seemed to make that one a lot! For instance, even after the whole non-wedding/amnesia mess was sorted out, Clark shut Lois out from helping him when he was shrunk in IASWAA. Lois tries to get him to open up to her, to let her help, and he is too ashamed or embarrassed or whatever to allow her to even see him. He seemed to distrust her emotional stability and strength to see him in such a diminutive state (his sarcasm about Mighty Mouse and hiding behind her picture makes that clear). And at the end of that ep, she calls him on his stubborn tendency to push her away just when he needs her the most, and reminds him that they need to work through their problems *together* in the future. Even in WIEAK, Clark has extreme difficulty letting Lois fend for herself, or decide things for herself, even though keeping her safe from Superman's enemies had been his original intention for breaking up with her in Contact. So, clearly his misplaced sense of chivalry backfired on him there. Also, in a less blatant instance, in SuperMann, Clark is reluctant to let Lois go after the Nazis, instead instructing her to "stay here (at STAR LABS)", to be interpreted as "where it is safe", until he could get back from the sun. Now, I don't mean for this to sound like I think Clark is the one solely to blame, because usually he does have reason to fear for Lois's life and she is often too impulsive and intent on her story to notice for herself. But, while his protectiveness is honorable and well-founded in many ways, it can also be construed as demeaning in certain circumstances, Contact and WIEAK being the most noteworthy. I think Lois's feeling that he is not respecting her equal footing in their relationship is at least partially well-founded at that point. Lois and Clark proved, both as news partners and as romantic partners, that they were *both* strongest, smartest and safest when they were EQUAL partners on all counts--working together to make the decisions and fight their battles. While Lois was clearly more emotionally distant in the beginning, I think Clark definitely took longer (with many more failed attempts) to learn that particular lesson. --Erin V. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:00:56 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) (was Re: Touching) In-Reply-To: <003401be5e89$5202d380$6c31e7d0@gremlino> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:31 PM -0500 2/22/99, Peggy Mueller wrote: >>can anyone come up with later episodes that disprove this?) > >Throughout the first season, even when Lois isn't saying anything >specifically mean, her attitude toward Clark is arrogant and patronizing, >and she always seems to be putting him down by comparing him unfavorably to >Superman, or belittling him because of his rural background. It's very easy to give generalities without backing them up. Can you give specific scenes/episodes/discussions to support your statement? In the first few episodes (few defined as 3-5), Lois does compare Clark unfavorably to Superman ("not insipid mud brown like Clark's [eyes]!") and makes fun of his rural background ("hack from Nowheresville"). By episode 8, however, GGGoH, Lois not only is acting friendly and tender towards Clark, but she comes to enjoy his rural hometown. By episode 9, MoSB, Lois admits that she doesn't know who she'll miss more, Clark or Superman, when they both leave town. By episode 12, ASU, Lois "loves him ... like a brother" and by episode 13, Witness, she invites him to walk her home, even though she's no longer in danger.) There are 22 hours of show in the first season, but by hour 9 or so, Lois is acting tender towards Clark and considers him a good friend. This is just over 1/3 of the way through the first season. So, how do substantiate your statement that "throughout the first season" Lois is mean to Clark? As I said, I can't remember her being unjustifiably insulting to him past the first 3-5 episodes. (One could argue that her outburst at him during IGACOY (#6) was justified.) Can you give me scenes to support your disagreement? Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:41:53 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Norman Mayes Subject: Re: lost story Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi This Story is the "Baby Scenario" by leslie Cohen(Lisland2) It can be found on Aol's L&C Short story Bulletin Board at aol://4344:113.lcrrss.454048.519087304 budmayes@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:55:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Touching In-Reply-To: <85256720.00671607.00@MetMtaG2.metlife.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Peggy wrote: >into why Lois touched Clark so much during the first & second seasons? >she was >dominant over him (in working relationships, the dominant person touches; the >subordinate one does not. I don't buy this as the reason. As I said in my other post, by episode 8 (GGGoH), Lois and Clark are on the way to being best friends. Clark is not just her co-worker, but her friend pretty early on, and her best friend by mid-season. Thus, the only touching that might raise eyebrows would be the touching in the very early episodes (up until episode 7 or so). >At first I >thought it was because she had an overwhelming sexual attraction to >Clark (in spite of her denials), but she seemed uncomfortable touching him in >The Phoenix after Clark asked her out, Bingo! She was interested in Clark, even when she denied it. Rememeber PML (#10)? Lois would have bitten anyone's head off who said she was attracted to Clark, but the pheromone spray didn't lie. ;) She did not throw herself at Lex or Perry or the copy guy -- but at Clark, immediately. There was definitely a sexual attraction. In fact, I think this sexual attraction was immediate -- as I said before, the look on Lois's face in the Pilot when she accepted Clark's offer to go to dinner "to celebrate" told it all. She practically blushed. She was interested in Clark from day one, even if the threat she sensed from him ("I didn't work my buns off to babysit a hack ...") made her reject that attraction. As to why Lois got uncomfortable with Clark after he asked her out, I think this is not unusual. It was fun to flirt, but now things were getting serious, and Lois had to make some decisions. Suddenly, any flirting she did was going to send a definite message (since now she had expressed proof that he did have romantic feelings towards her), and she had to be more careful until she figured out what she wanted. This reminds me of what happened to a boy I knew in high school. He was in a long term relationship but lots of girls would flirt with him. He decided that since so many girls were flirting with him, they must want to go out with him and he should break up with his girlfriend to play the field. The gf tried to explain to him that the only reason they were flirting was because he was "safe" and once he was "single" they wouldn't be interested anymore, but he didn't believe her. Sure enough, once he was available, he couldn't get a date. The gf, meanwhile, had several, which was wonderful when he came crawling back, tail between his legs. ;) (Ok, I admit it, I took him back before Prom ... but we broke up again right after graduation. ) But I digress ... ;) >and I noticed also that she put >her hand on Dan's knee just before she dumped him in WWW.> By late season 2, Lois had definitely softened. She didn't lash out as much and was more emotionally available. She also was feeling tender towards Dan in this scene -- she knew he was basically a good guy, but she was still going to break up with him because she didn't return his feelings. (Also, you gotta admit, Dan's line before this was pretty fantastic -- "I don't want to impress you with things; I just want to be with you." ;)) >I was uncomfortable watching her put her hands all over him because I've never >seen anything like it in the office > and I thought that if it had been a man violating a >woman's personal space in that manner, she would have been screaming "sexual >harassment." This is how I always felt about Cat's behavior. It outraged me and I was glad when they wrote her out of the show. Lois's touching, OTOH, was never like this, and remember, it's only sexual harrassment if the other person does not welcome the contact. You say it yourself, "violating [his] personal space". Lois wasn't violating anything -- Clark welcomed the touching, and touched right back. (In MoSB, when he said goodbye, he cupped her chin and kissed her on the mouth tenderly. This was pretty brave and I don't think he would have risked that kiss if he thought he'd be coming back!) Joy responded: > I guess it depends upon the office and the people involved. The Planet's >newsroom seems to be casual, compared to some corporate offices, and the >co-workers seem to be friends. When you work with your friends, the rules are >SOMETIMES a bit more relaxed. I agree. Every office has their own culture. The newsroom is obviously more laid back (forget the innocent touching -- what about all those GTO kisses after they got together?? ). Whether you think that would happen "in real life" or not, that was the culture established on the show. In my former office, we were more laid back as well. We didn't have any tonsil hockey going on ;) (though we did have several couples develop among the staff) but we did have a lot of off-hours friendships, gossiping, casual friendly touching and discussion of private lives. By way of example, there were several pregnancies on staff my last couple years there. When one woman announced that she, too, was pregnant, one of our male co-workers (a young, friendly, mild-mannered 22 year old) told her that he had suspected for a few weeks, "because your breasts were getting bigger". We all thought this was hysterical -- mostly because Dawn (the newly pregnant one) was always on the lookout for suspected pregnancies on staff and this was *her* method of telling! She apparently had taught him well. I was telling this story to another friend of mine, one whose office was very different in culture, and she was shocked and outraged. She found it completely offfensive that this young man could get away with saying this, let alone *looking* there. ;) I was at a loss -- this was a fun story and I couldn't impress on her that no one took offense. We were friends that happened to work together ... it wasn't just a co-worker making this observation but a friend. But the more I tried to explain, the deeper I just dug my hole. Later I went back to the original crowd and told them about my friend's reaction, and they just shook their heads and said "she just doesn't get it." The woman who was "looked at" was the most amused at all. This was not sexual harrassment (especially since she was this guy's boss ), but my friend whose office was more hostile couldn't see it any other way. Kathy (posting a lot lately ... but having fun. ) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:14:09 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Eileen F. Ray" Subject: Re: Fanzine (was Re: A plethera of responses) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/22/99 7:13:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes: << Great idea, even greater sense of anticipation for these stories... but how can UK FOLCS contribute without costing ourselves almost twice the value of the donation? I was able to give to the Archive appeal because I had some dollars left over from last year's holiday. But UK currency is of no use to you, I should imagine :) >> I'm not Kathy but since I am the fanzine coordinator I'll try and field this one ;). The FOLC in question lives in Europe and a donation account has already been set up for her there by some of the German FOLCs (Hi Nicky :)). That should make things easier for you and other Euro-FOLCS, particularly since you are moving towards a unified currency and banking system. Once we are ready to roll, which should be soon if work stops burying me, I'll post announcements here and the other Loiscla list concerning the way to donate and how we are going to handle the logistics of distribution ;). Stay tuned ;). Cheers, Eileen AKA Eraygun@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:22:02 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: New Fanfic: Strange Visitor, part 3 of 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit part 3 * * * Lois was the first to spot Althea coming out of the elevator. "Clark," she whispered across to his desk. He looked up and spotted the woman stepping down into the newsroom. Lois had told him what she had found at the Women's Residence, that Althea Fitzgerald no longer lived there and that she had left three years ago to return to her home town in Maine. Clark's features were determined as he got up and walked over to meet the old lady. "Mrs. Fitzgerald," he paused, glancing quickly over the newsroom, "it's pretty noisy here. Why don't we go into the conference room?" Once inside the conference room, he decided not to say anything. Let her go first and see what she had to say. Lois, who had followed the two into the conference room, started to speak but Clark put his hand on her forearm and shook his head. Amazingly, Lois picked up on his cue and remained silent, too. As he waited for Althea to speak, Clark looked at her hands resting flat on the dark wooden table as though she was figuring out what she was going to say. Her hands were delicate with the mottled and wrinkled skin of age; he thought they were beautiful. Then he noticed that her wedding band was missing. He was sure she had been wearing one earlier. Finally Althea broke the silence. She had toyed briefly with the idea of telling them that Morgana and Wulf were at Clark's apartment and then realized that bit of news would send the two reporters to Clinton Street immediately. So she looked directly at Clark, her dark eyes innocent, and lied. "I've located them. They're at Lois's apartment. I suspect they plan to hold Lois hostage as a way to entrap you, Clark." That last part, at least, was plausible, she thought. Then she added, speaking with authority. "Stay away >from there. I'll contact my people and they'll handle it." Lois rolled her eyes. "Mrs. Fitzgerald. Althea. Your people?" Even Clark had raised his eyebrows at that one. Althea snapped, "Lois, I may be old but I still have influence and I still have things to do." They were interrupted by Perry White who stood in the conference room doorway, a genial beam suffusing his face. "Ah, Mrs. Fitzgerald." His tone was expansive. "Jimmy told me you were here. Let me apologize for not recognizing you this morning." He walked over to where she was sitting. "I read your work when I was a kid. Inspirational. It's an honor to have you back at the Daily Planet." He extended his hand to shake hers and then put his hand on her shoulder. "Let me give you a tour of the Planet, show you the changes that have been made." Althea's eyes widened in panic. Oh no! She didn't have the time for this. And what if he started to ask her about her work? What if he began to remember some of it? To ask her about it? "Thank you, Mr. White, but I'm sure that you're much too busy to have time to do that." "Nonsense." Perry's voice was brusque. He stood behind her chair and began to pull it back so she could rise more easily. "It's my honor and privilege to escort a Pulitzer Prize winner." Althea found herself rising from her chair. Maybe she could escape from him en route. She paused at the door for a moment to look back at Lois and Clark. "Remember," she said. "Mrs. Fitzgerald, what happened to your wedding ring?" Clark asked and noticed that she lifted her left hand automatically. Sadness flooded her features, sapping her vitality, and all of a sudden she looked her full ninety years. "I lost it." She drew herself up and took a deep breath. "Let's go, Perry. Show me how you run a newspaper." After they had gone, Lois and Clark looked at each other for a moment, both touched by the distress they had felt in the old woman. Lois placed her hand on Clark's arm, somehow seeking comfort from him. "What do you suppose did happen to it, Clark?" "She still doesn't have a purse and she's wearing different clothes." "So she pawned the ring?" "That'd be my guess." "Oh, Clark!" Her voice was a soft wail. "I don't get what's going on here at all." She met his eyes and then she spoke with more determination. "So, we'd better get going and check on the red haired woman in my apartment and see if we can help Althea Fitzgerald." As Lois and Clark were on their way to Lois's apartment, Althea was eluding Perry's guided tour of the Daily PLanet. After a brief circuit of the newsroom, she told him, regretfully, that she had to be going. It was time to get home so that she could make sure that she took her medication. And of course there was her nap. She thanked him and made good her escape. The regret in her voice as she spoke was genuine; it had been wonderful to see Perry again, a brief gift from whomever was masterminding the universe these days. She had loved Perry, whom she'd come to think of as her spiritual father, and his death had been a time of aching sadness for both her and Clark. Her final thank you to him had been for so much more than that brief tour of the newsroom. But she had to get back to the park. She did not want to miss the guardians if they came and she figured that Lois and Clark were safely on their way to Lois's; her warning to stay away would prove irresistible to both of them. By that time she hoped that it would be close enough to dinner that the two would decide to have it together. She hoped. * * * Lois and Clark stood on the pavement outside Lois's apartment building and Lois raised her eyes to the windows of her apartment. "You know, Clark, I almost hope we find them here." Standing behind her, Clark lowered his glasses and did a quick x-ray scan of her rooms. Nothing. He felt a sense of disappointment seep through him but he said, "Me too, Lois." A couple of minutes later they were standing at the end of the hall on the fifth floor while Lois rummaged in her purse for her keys. "Okay, Clark, I'll go alone. Althea says it's really you they're after, so you wait here. If they're there, you go for help." Clark looked at her, astonished. "Oh, that's a great plan." "You got a better one?" "Maybe we won't need one. We'll both go." Before she could stop him he snatched the keys from her hand and began walking down the hall. "Clark, are you crazy?" she hissed at him as he inserted a key into the first of the series of locks on her door. At least, he tried to insert it. Giving him look of disgust she grabbed the keys from him and then, very quietly, she inserted the correct key and turned it. Pausing, she squinted her eyes and listened but there was no sound inside. She unlocked the next lock. Still no sound on the other side of the door. Clark had taken a position leaning against the wall beside her, his arms crossed. "Of course, that the lock hasn't been jimmied is probably a sign that maybe they're not here." He was childishly pleased to see a quick flush redden her cheeks. "I know that." Then a second later, "Maybe they used the fire escape." Her tone was frosty as she quickly punched in the numbers to release the final lock. Stepping into the room, she looked around and gave a disappointed sigh. "Yeah, I know," he said sympathetically squeezing her shoulder. "It would have been so much better to have been met by guys with guns." "Clark, we have to find her. She's obviously not all there. She's living in some kind of fantasy world, waiting somewhere for her imaginary contacts. We have to make sure she gets home safely." "Yeah." Clark was beginning to agree with Lois's point of view. "Let's head back to the Planet. She's probably still with Perry. You know how hard he is to escape once he decides to give someone the grand tour." * * * "Uh, Lois. You go ahead inside. I'll catch up with you later. There's something I want to do." Lois and Clark had just got out of a taxi in front of the Planet. "What?" Lois's tone held a slight hint of impatience. Clark had developed this habit of suddenly taking off on her, sometimes with the most ridiculous excuse. He smiled. "I want to make a quick tour of the pawn shops on 33rd. See if I can find a gold ring." Lois softened. She touched his hand briefly. "Good luck. I'll wait here with Althea for you." * * * Clark got back to the Planet a little over an hour later, feeling very pleased with himself and also a little puzzled. In his pocket was one gold wedding band. The name on the pawn ticket had been Althea Fitzgerald and the address had been Lois's apartment. The owner of the pawn shop had said that the old woman who pawned the ring had left instructions for him to contact Lois Lane at the end of the thirty day holding period. As Clark stepped out of the elevator, he looked over to Lois's desk and was only mildly surprised to find that she wasn't there. He was beginning to get used to the idea that she was least likely to be where he thought she would be. Glancing at the items on her desk, he spotted the note with his name on. She was in the park, with Althea, waiting for "the contacts." Clark got to the park quickly and spotted the two woman sitting together on a bench not too far from the street. It struck him that the two were very similar. The same straight posture, and the same spark in their eyes. Both stubborn, too, he thought with a smile. He flashed them a grin as he got closer. "Ladies, can I take you to dinner?" Lois smiled back at him. "Yes, you can Mr. Kent." However, Althea had no intention of leaving the park. "It's such a lovely night. What about take out. We could eat it right here. I love Chinese." She looked at Clark, and her eyes twinkled. "I bet you know some great places." "As a matter of fact, he does," Lois said. Clark gave her a slight nod of his head and smiled. "Be right back." And he was, bearing bamboo containers of wonderfully fragrant mixtures of exotic foods. As they ate, both Lois and Clark tried to prod Althea for information but the old woman's responses were elusive and so generic they could apply to just about any woman of her age. By the time they'd finished eating, the two reporters knew no more about her than when they had started. Lois began piling the containers together. "Here, gimme. I'll take these over to the trash can." As she walked away, Clark watched her, the feelings which he strove so carefully to hide from her now obvious in the look of longing in his brown eyes. Althea noticed it and touched his arm. "She does care for you, you know." Her voice was tender. Clark smiled ruefully. "Is it that obvious? How I feel, I mean." The old woman looked at him, the bittersweet memory of how foolish she had been and the pain which she had caused him all those years ago stinging her eyes. She sighed. He'd done some pretty dumb things, too. She met his eyes. "But you do know that you belong together." Clark felt himself caught by the compassion in her brown eyes and once again that feeling that he knew this woman returned. For a moment he allowed himself to hope that maybe what she said was true. "Yeah." His voice was soft. Then that slight smile again. "But I still haven't figured out how to get her to see that." Her errand completed, Lois walked back toward the bench to rejoin her two companions. Sitting down, she asked Clark, "See what?" "This." Changing the subject, Clark reached into his pocket for the ring he had retrieved earlier. He held it between his fingers. "I think this is yours, Mrs. Fitzgerald," he said softly as he handed it to her. Tears welled in Althea's eyes as the young man who would be her husband for so many years placed the ring in the palm of her hand and then gently closed her fingers around it. "Don't take it off again," he said, his eyes teasing but his voice serious. There were many things she could have asked him, could have said to him, but she didn't. "Thank you," she whispered as she shakily slipped the gold band on her finger. As Lois and Clark watched her slide the ring on her finger, three men, dressed alike in dark grey, walked along the path toward the bench. They stopped and one of them respectfully addressed the old woman. "We came as soon as we could. Do you know where they are?" Astonished, Lois and Clark listened and watched as Althea replied. "Yes, they're at the apartment on Clinton Street. They're waiting for Clark to return there." She took a deep breath, afraid to ask. "And my family?" The tallest of the three men smiled at her reassuringly. "Everyone's fine. They're waiting for you. We'll take care of Miranda and Wulf and then come back here." Then they strode quickly back into the depths of the park. "Hey," Lois jumped up, prepared to follow them. Clark was already on his feet. "Clinton Street?" Althea spoke to them both, sharply and firmly. "They know what they're doing. Stay here with me." "Lois will stay with you. I'll be back." Clark's voice was decisive as he turned to run along the path that the three men had taken only to find, a moment later, that they had disappeared. "What the??" Surprised, he stopped for a fraction of a second, then quickly headed for the cover of the dense bushes edging the pathway to make a fast change. A nanosecond later Superman shot upward toward Clinton street and landed on the balcony outside his apartment. Focusing his eyes in a narrow squint, he gave the inside a rapid scan. What he saw surprised him. The "contacts" were already there, handcuffing and disarming two people - a red haired woman and a tall, steroid enhanced man. "Miranda and Wulf," he thought. Clark also noticed another man in the room, dark haired, broad shouldered, and dressed in black, his back to Clark. The contacts seemed to have everything under control. Slipping around to the front entrance, Clark did a quick change and then entered by the front door. This didn't look like a job for Superman. "What's going on here?" he demanded as he stepped down into his living room. "Ah, Mister Kent," one of the contacts spoke. "Sorry to have let this little situation get out of control but everything's fine now. No need for you to be involved. We're just on our way." They walked toward the front door, the dark haired man keeping to the farthest side of the group, away from Clark as though avoiding him. "Wait," Clark called out but there was no response as the group walked past him and out the front door. Clark followed but they kept walking until they reached the corner. Then they disappeared, leaving an astonished and open mouthed Clark Kent standing on the deserted sidewalk, trying to figure out what had happened. * * * Lois muttered to herself as Clark disappeared into the park. It wasn't fair. She hated not being at the scene of the action but, she acknowledged, someone did have to stay here with Althea. Besides, she could pump the woman for information; it was beginning to look like there was a story here after all. Just as she was asking Althea who "the contacts" worked for she was startled by a quick pulsing glow of light that looked to be coming from a spot around the bend in the path. Roughly where the "contacts" had come from. Lois was aware that Althea was watching the path intently and then she felt her relax as a man, limping slightly, his hair white with advanced age, walked toward them. Althea turned to Lois. "Good-bye, Lois. It has been so extraordinary to meet you." Then she walked toward the old man. For some reason, Lois stayed where she was, sensing that she would be interfering in their intimacy, that this was a moment for just the two of them. She watched as they walked toward each other and then take each other's hands. The old man bent his head to touch Althea's forehead and then gently caressed the side of her face with his hand. Lois was too far away to hear what they said. The old woman searched her husband's face to make sure he was all right, relieved to see that the limp he had acquired when a kryptonite bullet had pierced his thigh two days ago seemed less pronounced. Smiling, she lifted her hand and tenderly traced her fingers along his age-creased cheek. "Clark," she said. He took her hand and brought it to his lips. "Someday, Lois, when I ask you to stay put, you will," he teased. "Probably not. Too old to change now." "Where's Jimmy? I expected him to be with you." His voice was disapproving. "He was," Lois defended her favorite grandson, "but he's with the guardians. I expect they're all back in our time by now." "Then let's join them, Lois. Let's go home." Sitting on her bench, the young Lois Lane watched as the old woman slipped her arm through the old man's and walked with him around the curve in the path into the twilight. She was still sitting there, lost in thought, when Clark joined her a few minutes later. "Where's Mrs. Fitzgerald?" "Clark, it was the strangest thing. But I think she's all right. Her husband came for her." She looked at him and he was surprised by the mixture of bewilderment and emotion he saw in her eyes. "Clark, I'm so glad you were able to return her ring to her." "Me too, Lois, me too." He reached out his hand to her. "Shall we go?" "Uh huh." Lois stood up, and in an unconscious imitation of the old woman, she slipped her arm through Clark's. "You know, Clark, " she teased, "I think a little part of you fell in love with that woman." He looked down at her and smiled. "You know, Lois, you might be right." "So what happened at your apartment?" she asked as they walked together along the asphalt path that twisted through the trees toward the street. "You know, Lois, I have no idea." ***** the end ***** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:21:31 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: new fanfic: Strange Visitors, part 1 of 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, What follows is sort of a practice story . I wanted to see if I could write a *short* story. Feedback is very welcome; it's always helpful. The story is set in S1, just before The Green, Green Glow of Home and has nothing to do with the episode "Strange Visitor". ------------ STRANGE VISITOR by C. Malo [note: words between * * denote emphasis ] The old woman stepped out of the shadows of Metropolis Park and walked as briskly as her ninety year old body would permit toward the intersection on the corner. The slowness of her age had led her to a new appreciation of the order and safety provided by the stoplights that in her youth she had mostly ignored. Jaywalking was for those more adept at dodging oncoming traffic than she now was. And there was such a lot of traffic, even at this early time of day, just before sunrise. More traffic than she remembered, she thought, as she glowered at a passing taxi that ran the light just as she stepped into the crosswalk. Muttering to herself, she stepped back to avoid being hit. She had forgotten that crossing the road was a survival skill in Metropolis. Minutes later, she had reached her destination, pausing to look up at the large globe that surmounted the front entrance of the tall concrete building. As she did, she felt her heart rate increase, an erratic flutter betraying her nervousness. Taking a deep breath, she pushed through the revolving door and stood for a moment in the front lobby before walking over to the elevator which would take her to the newsroom of the Daily Planet. At the top of the steps which lead to the newsroom floor, she stopped to survey her surroundings, to get her bearings in this place where she was a stranger and yet where she felt so at home. For a few seconds she was overwhelmed by nostalgia and a longing for the intensity of her youth when her passions had been so easily aroused and her energy so quickly galvanized. She shook her head and smiled inwardly, amused by the tricks of time. At that early hour in the morning there were only a few people in the newsroom. This did not surprise her. The night staff had always been a skeleton staff; at least it had been since the Planet had stopped publishing two editions a day. In the centre of the maze of desks, a neatly dressed man, not much more than twenty, appeared to be discussing the merits of some photographs with a balding man badly in need of a shave and a more sensible diet. The old woman smiled as she observed them, imagining how the younger man was defending his favorite among those that were spread out on the desk. As if aware that she was watching them, he looked up and caught sight of her, smiling politely as he walked over to the stairs where she was standing. "Hi. What can we do for you?" His voice was gentle, as though he were speaking to a child. Narrowing her eyes, the old woman flashed him a sharp look of disapproval before speaking in a tone that let him know she expected to be taken seriously. "I'm looking for Lois Lane and Clark Kent." She knew, of course, that the two reporters were not part of the night staff, but she had wanted to see the Planet first, before they came. To remember. The young man smiled at her again and spoke patiently. "They're probably still asleep. They'll be in about 8:00 o'clock, so you've got about three hours to wait. Why don't you go home and come back later? Here, why don't you leave a message for them?" Taking her arm, he escorted her toward their desks and with a quick glance at the randomly layered paper on Lois's desk, he turned to Clark's. "Uh, maybe, you'd have a better chance leaving the note on Clark's desk." He picked up a pencil and paper and handed it to her. She reached out to take them but then stopped. "Thank you, but I'll come back later." She turned to leave. "What's your name?" he called after her. "I'll tell them you were here." The woman was quiet for a moment before answering. Then she smiled at him and said in a pleased voice, "Althea Fitzgerald." "Okay, Mrs. Fitzgerald, I'll tell them you were looking for them." Out on the street, Althea Fitzgerald wondered how she was going to kill the three hours before Lois and Clark got to the newsroom. She knew that she had better take it easy; her energy was now a precious resource, to be expended carefully. She was in pretty good shape, but now the qualifier, "for a woman her age" was usually attached whenever anyone applied that description to her. With a start she realized she had no money. Why hadn't she thought about that? She'd flung herself on this mission quickly without thinking much about the details. These days she was becoming so forgetful. Looking around the streets for inspiration, she began to lose her nerve. How am I going to do this, she thought. You have to do this. If you fail, then everything is lost. Turning back, she reentered the Planet and decided to throw herself on the mercy of the neatly dressed young man, whose name turned out to be Jimmy. Five minutes later, she had managed to convince him to let her rest on the sofa in Perry White's office. One minute later, she was fast asleep. * * * Jimmy Olson spotted Clark Kent as he stepped out of the elevator. He was a little early and, for that, Jimmy, who had agreed to work the night shift for a couple of weeks (a learning experience, son, was what Perry had said), was grateful. That meant he wouldn't have to wait around for the two reporters. For some reason, he felt a sense of obligation to the old woman who was now fast asleep on Mr. White's sofa. "C.K., there's someone here to see you, that is, to see you and Lois." He nodded in the direction of the editor-in-chief's office. "She's been here since about 5 this morning." Clark looked over at Perry's office. The blinds on the large window which overlooked the newsroom were open and as far as Clark could tell, without resorting to x-ray vision, the office was empty. "Doesn't look like anyone's there now, Jimmy." "She's out like a light on the chief's couch." Jimmy grinned. "She's pretty old. But don't let her appearance fool you. You wouldn't believe how stubborn she is. I don't know what she wants, but you're probably gonna do it for her." He tapped on the door and then turned the knob. Jimmy's knocking awakened Althea and she sat up with a start, momentarily confused by her surroundings. Where was she? Why was her grandson here? Then she remembered. She swung her legs around so that her feet were touching the floor and then stood up. "Good morning, " she said. "Comfortable couch." She stared at the two young men. "Good morning, again, Mrs. Fitzgerald. This is Clark Kent." My, he's good looking, Althea thought as she looked at the tall, broad shouldered man in front of her. She shook the reporter's hand and met his dark eyes. As soon as her hand touched his, she felt confident again about what she had to do. Clark held her small, slender hand in his large one, puzzled for a moment. He felt somehow that he knew this woman although he was sure that they had never met. He would have remembered her; there was a vitality in her eyes and a dignity in her bearing that transcended age. "Hello, Mrs. Fitzgerald. Jimmy said you wanted to see me." Althea's voice was crisp. "Yes, I must talk to you, Mr. Kent, and I need to Lois Lane as well." "She should be here any minute," Clark said as the door opened but it was Perry White who walked in. "You all comfortable in here?" Perry drawled as he tossed the competition's newspapers on his desk. Clark and Jimmy both flushed slightly at the sarcasm in Perry's tone. Then came the order. "Jimmy. Coffee. Now. And a double sprinkled, honey glazed doughnut." "Yes, sir." Just short of saluting, the kid backed out of the office. Althea felt sorry for Jimmy whom she liked so she fixed her eyes on Perry White with a look of mischief, and decided to play the old age card, the one that said you can get away with being a little bit rude. "That doughnut's not a wise choice, Mr.White." Her voice innocent, she continued, "Not good for people with weight and blood pressure problems." Amused, Clark watched as Perry White blustered for a second, glowering his disapproval at the thin white haired woman in front of him. Clark could see Perry struggling to retrieve the politeness of his southern breeding and then, finally, win. The man stood silent, giving Clark his chance. "Uh, this is Mrs. Fitzgerald, Chief. She's been here for a couple of hours, waiting to see Lois and me. We'll just go over to the conference room until Lois gets here." He took Althea's arm and led her out of Perry's office before the editor had a chance to speak. Halfway to their destination Althea halted in front of Clark as she saw Lois Lane stride to her desk and dump her purse on the corner, beside a straggly plant much in need of water, fertilizer, light, anything that was life giving. Althea sighed as she looked at the young woman, mourning the vitality of her own lost youth. Then Clark Kent was introducing the two women and shepherding them to the Daily Planet cafeteria for some breakfast for which Althea Fitzgerald was grateful. It had been a long time since she'd last eaten. "Why did you want to see us, Mrs. Fitzgerald?" Lois asked after they had placed their trays on a table located in a far corner of the room. She sat down and took a sip of her coffee with the sensual sigh of a person who appreciates good caffeine. Althea took a deep breath and then spoke, knowing that what she was about to say lacked credibility. "I've come to warn you both. There are people who want you dead." "What?" Lois looked at Althea with surprise and then skepticism. "Who? How do you know?" Who was this woman, she wondered. "Two people. One of them is a good looking woman with red hair, about your age. The other is her brother, tall, solidly built. You must be careful of any strangers you encounter today. Beware of anything suspicious." "Mrs. Fitzgerald, we're constantly meeting strangers." Clark's voice was kind. "It's part of the job." "I know that. But you must be careful." She looked directly at Clark. "You're too trusting. You can't trust every one." This was going badly. She kept her gaze on Clark, an appeal in her dark eyes. Then she turned to Lois, touching her arm for a second, and spoke firmly. "Don't let him out of your sight. Don't let him try anything new, and don't leave him alone with any strangers. He's their first target, but if they can't kill him, they'll try to kill you." Her voice was urgent. Lois was touched by the woman's distress but she didn't, for even a moment, believe her. What Mrs. Fitzgerald was saying sounded like today's horoscope, the one Lois never believed but always read. She wondered how old the woman was. Maybe she was suffering from some form of delusion or dementia and had wandered away from her home. She carried no purse and her clothes appeared very casual, a loose blue tunic, belted with a red sash, over dark pants, almost like pyjamas. They should try to get her home. "Who are these people?" Lois was surprised at Clark's question. He was taking this woman seriously! Well that figured. Still the small town boy, still naive about people in the big city. She wondered how long it would take her to train him properly, to give him a harder edge. They didn't have time for this human interest stuff. She tried to give him a warning glare but he was ignoring her, concentrating on Althea Fitzgerald who seemed to fascinate him. "They're evil, Clark." Althea spoke impetuously. "They're master criminals and they want to control the world." "Terrorists, you mean?" "That, and more. And they have weapons you've never seen." "But why would they want to kill Clark and me? Clark's only been in Metropolis a few months." "They know the two of you will try to stop them. So they figure they should get you first." "Uh huh." Lois still did not believe any of this. "Any names? Organizations? Places?" Althea looked at Lois with impatience. God, she was stubborn. "Tell Superman. If they kill you, then they'll kill Superman." Lois looked startled but it was Clark who said, "I don't think so. Superman's invulnerable." "No one's invulnerable, Mr. Kent, even Superman," but as she said this she made up her mind. This wasn't working. Lois didn't take her seriously and Althea had to admit that her story was awfully vague. She stood up. "Thanks for breakfast. I'll be going now." Clark was surprised by her abruptness. She seemed to have given up and he could read the disappointment in the dullness of her eyes. He stood up quickly. "Where can we get in touch with you, Mrs. Fitzgerald?" He, too, had noticed the absence of a purse and, although he had picked up on Lois's skepticism, for some unknown reason he believed Althea. Althea met his eyes steadily, satisfied that, he at least, thought she was telling the truth. "I'm not sure, but I'll be around." She turned and walked away, her posture straight and her step firm. "Clark, you don't buy what she's saying, do you? *Beware the red haired woman.* I mean, really." She rolled her eyes in exasperation at her so- called partner. "Lois, there's something about that woman." He gestured with his right hand, emphasizing the importance he attached to what he was saying. Lois interrupted. "Well, you're right about that. Her keepers are probably looking for her right now." "Lois, that's not fair. She's old, not senile." "I didn't say she was. Anyway, it's blondes, not redheads, that you have to watch out for." Lois was still annoyed at what she felt was his gullibility about Toni Taylor's goals. Why did men always believe that "heart of gold" automatically followed "beautiful blonde"? Not that the mobster's daughter had been that beautiful, Lois thought. Clark grinned at her. "Don't worry, Ms. Lane, I don't get misled easily." Lois slid out from her chair. "Yeah, right." Without looking at him, she strode toward the exit. He followed, aware that they were both being watched by Althea Fitzgerald who had not yet left the cafeteria. "I'll catch up with you later, Lois," he said as his partner entered the elevator. Lois raised her eyes heavenward as she noticed where he was headed and pressed the button to close the elevator door while Clark walked over to where Althea was standing. "Where do you live, Mrs.Fitzgerald? Can I take you home?" "No, no. I, uh, live uptown." She mentioned a street name and then realized her slip. "It's all right." Althea spoke quickly; there was, after all, no place to take her. Concerned, Clark looked at her and spoke softly. "You've forgotten your purse. Can I lend you money for a cab?" As he was speaking, he pulled a twenty out of his wallet and handed it to her. Althea smiled at him as she took the money. "Thanks, Clark. I'll pay you back." But as she left him, she knew that she wouldn't. When she got outside the building, Althea looked at the twenty with curiosity; she'd got so used to not using money that the crisp bill felt odd in her hand. She realized, however, that she was going to need more money than this while she was here. Stuffing it in her pocket, she stood on the curb and raised her hand to hail a cab. "Where to, lady?" the cabbie asked as Althea slid onto the back seat. "Nearest pawn shop. On 33rd." Althea couldn't remember its name but she had been there before. She raised her left hand to look at her wedding band, her eyes misting as she thought of her husband, remembering the wonder of their life together and the love and tenderness in his eyes as he had placed the ring on her finger on that day so long ago. Taking a deep breath to clear her thoughts, she began to make her plan. She had to assume that Morgana and Wulf were already here. They would recognize her if they saw her so she had decided back in the Daily Planet Cafeteria that she had better try to change her appearance, although for someone her age that might be difficult. The white hair had to go. Maybe glasses, the tinted kind. That struck her as funny and she choked back a giggle. Different clothes, grey-beige urban camouflage so she could blend into the background and keep an eye on Lois Lane and Clark Kent unrecognized by anyone. The cab pulled up in front of a seedy looking storefront with a shabby sign: Rick's - Cash for Goods. Althea got out and a few minutes later she was slipping her cherished wedding band from her finger, and with a shaky hand, sliding it across the counter to the pawn broker. He examined it carefully, then weighed it, and made her an offer which she accepted. She had no choice. * * * end, part 1 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:21:49 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: New Fanfic: Strange Visitor, part 2 of 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit part 2 * * * "Clark, here's that research you wanted on the transit project." Clark looked up at the pretty, young research assistant who had started work at the Planet a couple of days ago. Her flame red hair caught his attention and, as he stared at it, she smiled at him invitingly. "Anything else I can do for you, Clark?" Her voice was somewhat less efficient than it had been a moment ago. "Not right, now. Thanks, Janine." As she walked away, his eyes followed her, speculatively. Lois glanced across at him. "I know what you're thinking, Clark, and you're wrong. Janine is not an undercover agent for, what was it, oh yeah, a terrorist organization bent on world domination." She exaggerated the last words as she spoke. "She was an intern here last year for a few months and, as it turns out, she's a good friend of Rania's daughter." "Rania?" Clark was still new enough at the Planet that he did not yet know all the people who worked for the paper. "In Accounting. She's the nice woman who is misguided enough to sign your paycheck." Lois paused for a moment to give Clark a knowing look. "*I* know, it's probably Cat. Now I could buy that. Auburn hair, strange behavior. Not much covered up, though." Clark grinned at her. "Nice try, Lois." He got up and walked over to sit on the edge of her desk. "Why would these people be after you and me, Lois? She said I was their prime target but I've never covered a story dealing with terrorists. It doesn't make much sense." "Well, that's because you're right. It *doesn't* make any sense. I don't know why you believe this woman, Clark." She reached for the phone book. "Look, I'll prove it to you." Flipping through the phone book, her finger pointed to a list of about twenty A. Fitzgerald's. "O.K. I'll take the first half and you take the second." She started punching numbers into her phone. Some time later, they'd come up empty. Answering machines had given them first names, none of which was "Althea" and the others had turned out to be dead ends, too. "Doesn't mean anything, Lois. The phone could be listed under her husband's name. She told me she lived on Hyperion." He quickly scanned the rest of the Fitzgeralds but there were none listed on Hyperion. "Maybe the number's unlisted. Lois, I'm going up there to see if I can find her. Coming?" She grinned at him. "Don't think so. Somebody's gotta work on a real story." She waved her hand at him dismissively, but couldn't resist adding. "But I'll beware the *redheaded* woman." * * * From the end of the street, Clark looked along the row of old, limestone townhouses that lined each side of Hyperion, a short cross street which connected two longer thoroughfares. Most of the townhouses were in need of some serious renovation, but their facades were graceful and he found the street appealing. He wondered what it would be like to live here. Maybe he and Lois some day. He dismissed the thought. The house was out of his price range and the lady was out of his reach. An hour of working the street got him no further, however, or maybe it did. He'd found enough people at home to be almost certain that Althea Fitzgerald had lied about her residence. He headed back to the Planet. * * * By the time Clark got back to the Planet, Althea Fitzgerald had taken up unobtrusive residence in the lobby of the Daily Planet, sitting in one of the large vinyl couches that formed a square in the centre of that space. She had bought a couple of magazines, something she greatly missed, and was keeping a careful eye on the elevators and on the main entrance. She spotted Clark Kent when he returned and was pleased when he did not notice her. She was also watching for Morgana and her brother, wondering if they would show up at the Planet and confront Lois and Clark openly or if they would wait until later, when there were few people around. This wouldn't take them long, just a matter of finding Clark and then shooting him. And Lois, too, for good measure. Hit and run. Then they would vanish back to where they'd come from. Clark didn't know about kryptonite yet and so it would be easier to take him by surprise. * * * Althea had been right. Morgana and Wulf had arrived in Metropolis ahead of her, but not by much. Their immediate goal was to find Clark Kent so they had programmed their arrival for Clinton Street. Under the cover of early morning darkness, they had forced entry into his apartment, only to find that he was not there. This did not surprise them all that much; he was probably out on some early morning mission. They could wait. In fact they liked the idea of meeting him here, welcoming him home with the surprise of what would be his short life. It would be easier to wait for him here than chasing him all over a town they did not know. The transporter device they had used to get to Metropolis had a limited energy supply and they could not afford to deplete it tracking Clark Kent, let alone Superman. Too bad the government kept such tight control of these devices. Well, that would change once the family got control. Still, they were disappointed when Superman had not shown up a couple of hours later and realized that he must have gone straight to work from whatever meaningless task he'd been doing. Morgana shrugged her shoulders as her brother tried to convince her to storm the Planet. No one knew they had come here and they could wait. It was important that they succeed. If their father and his associates failed at their end it wouldn't matter as long as she and Wulf could do the job here. And if they could do this quietly, so much the better. It would be more difficult for anyone trying to unravel what had happened. Morgana reclined back on Clark's sofa and reached for the TV control. This place was pretty much of a hovel, she thought. Why did he live like this when he could have anything he wanted? What a waste. * * * Later that afternoon at the Planet, Perry White dropped by Clark Kent's desk. "You know, Clark, I've been thinking about that woman who turned up here this morning. Her name rang a bell but I couldn't connect it with anything. But, just now, it came to me." He beamed at the younger man as though he'd just seen Elvis enter the building. "Althea Fitzgerald was a columnist for the Daily Planet for years. I used to read her when I started taking an interest in journalism, back before I was Jimmy's age." "Did you ever meet her back then, Chief?" "No." Perry's voice held a note of regret. "She'd retired by the time I came to the Planet so I never had that privilege. Would've liked to, though. She was one hell of a writer." His eyes shifted as he scanned the newsroom floor. "Jimmy!" His bellow rose and hovered in the air, triumphing over the buzz of voices and machines. Jimmy was there immediately. "Chief?" "Down to the morgue. Pull up a bio on Althea Fitzgerald and a couple of her columns." "Hey, that's the lady who was here this morning!" Jimmy's eyes widened and his voice rose in surprise as he spoke. "So what're you waiting for, son? Hop to it." "I'll do it, Perry." Clark looked at Lois in surprise. Lois caught his look and stared back at him. "What? I'd liked to know more about her." Clark stood up and smiled at Lois as he spoke. "We'll both do it, Perry." He shifted his eyes to Perry. "Uh, it'll take less time that way." A knowing smile crossed Perry's face. Maybe there was some hope for Kent after all. A little quiet time, alone, might help his cause. Just so long as it wasn't too long; this was the Planet's time. * * * As Clark held the door to the archives open for Lois, he asked, "So, tell me why you volunteered to do this, Lois." "What Perry said made me remember my first journalism course at college. An article written by Althea Fitzgerald, one she won a Pulitzer for, was part of one of our assignments. It was pretty amazing." Lois strode toward the desk, flashed a greeting at Mary Devereaux, keeper of the Planet archives, and then proceeded into the dark recess where back editions of the Planet were stored. Carefully, Clark pulled out a paper dated 1939. On the front page was a story by Althea Fitzgerald, filed from China, describing the horrors that the Chinese were suffering under foreign occupation. Silently, both reporters read the article, Clark standing close to Lois as he read over her shoulder. "Wow," Lois sighed as she finished reading. "Yeah, she's some writer," Clark agreed. "So why is she here now, Clark?" Lois looked at him, her face worried. "Do you think, she's reliving her past? Is that why she came? Maybe she really did live on Hyperion once, but now she's in a home and she's wandered away. Clark, she could be in danger." Clark looked at his partner, touched by the concern he saw there. Every once in a while something happened that got to a part of Lois that was generous and caring, revealing a compassion that contradicted her tough exterior. He had come to know that both realities were part of the complex woman with whom he had fallen in love. Maybe that was why he had fallen in love with her. He put his hand on her shoulder. "Or she might be telling the truth," he said softly. Lois met his eyes, "Clark, why do you believe her?" "I can't explain it, Lois. There's just something about her. I feel as though I know her." Shrugging his shoulders, he looked at Lois helplessly, as puzzled as she was by this feeling he had. "Come on, let's see if Mary has printed that profile on Althea for us. Maybe it'll tell us where she lives now." It did. Althea Fitzgerald had moved to a small residence for retired professional women in 1990. Lois and Clark decided to make a trip across town to talk to her. As they walked out of the archives, Clark teased Lois about getting side tracked on a human interest story. Lois denied it. * * * Althea spotted them as they entered the lobby and followed them outside, onto the street where they were in the process of hailing a cab. Just as a cab pulled up to the curb, she noticed that Clark paused, appearing to listen to something off in the distance. He said something to Lois which Althea could not hear and then, tugging at his tie, he walked quickly away. Oh no, Althea thought, they've split up. By this time she was close enough to the cab to hear Lois call the address of her destination through the open window of the vehicle's front door. Then she hopped into the back seat and they were gone. Althea sighed. She didn't have much money left after her expenses this morning and she figured Lois was safe enough for the time being. Looking across at the welcoming shade of Metropolis Park, Althea crossed the street and wandered to a bench beneath an old oak tree. The spot would give her a good view of the front entrance to the Daily Planet. Things weren't going well. She was tired and she felt all of her ninety years. She was feeling just a little bit sorry for herself. Her mood changed when she felt a light breeze drift across her body and she caught sight of the dark haired young man dressed in red and blue. He stood in front of her, his arms crossed in an attempt to look imposing. "This is a pretty risky thing you've done," he said but his eyes glinted in admiration. "I had no choice. I had just come back to the house when I saw Morgana and Wulf. Somehow they'd got hold of a transporter. So I followed them." She looked at him defiantly. "It was lucky I was there." "*Lucky* I got your message with the coordinates." He leaned forward to touch her wrinkled cheek with the palm of his hand. "You could have waited for me, you know." "*You* know I couldn't. I had no way of knowing if you were alive." Her voice was firm but then faltered as she asked the next question. "Is everything all right?" "I think it just might be. The guardians have got most of the League but Antonio and Shazar are still out there." "And everyone is safe?" Her voice was anxious as she asked the question. "Yeah. Some scrapes and bruises," he smiled reassuringly at her, "but nothing that won't heal." Her smile was radiant as she heard his news but then she sobered. "So now we have to stop Morgana and Wulf. If they succeed here, it doesn't matter that you've stopped them in our time." "We'll stop them. The Kents were always an unbeatable team." He grinned at her. "So where are *Lois* and *Clark* right now?" "Clark's taken off; Superman, I think. And Lois has headed over to 67th and Hamilton." She gave him the complete address. "I haven't seen any sign of Morgana and Wulf at the Planet, but I haven't checked Clinton Street or my old apartment yet." "I'll do that. You stay here." Then he flashed an impudent grin at her. "Think I'll just make sure Lois Lane is safe first." She rolled her eyes at him in disapproval. "I think she's just fine. Don't you try anything funny." "How can I resist?" he laughed. "By the way, nice wig," he said as he shot upward through the leafy canopy of Metropolis Park into the blue, sunlit sky. * * * Superman spotted Lois just as she was coming out of the Senior Professional Women's Residence, a puzzled look on her face. He swooped down and landed in front of her, his arms crossed, looking at her very carefully as though he were inspecting her, and then he grinned. Preoccupied with what she had just learned inside, Lois was startled to see the Man of Steel and not a little unnerved by the mischievous look on his face. If she didn't know better she would call it a smirk, like a boy getting away with something. "Superman, what are you doing?" Her tone caught him off guard. "Uh, nothing. I just wanted to see you." "Oh... Oh." She was pleased. He had never before sought her out for no good reason other than just wanting to see her. There had always been some reason why he had come - to warn her, or thank her, or get her out of trouble. Never just to *see* her. She was pleased; god, she was thrilled! Maybe he did care for her; after all, he had said she would always be special to him. She looked up at him and smiled dreamily. "That's nice." That's lame, she thought to herself. "Uh, I was just on my way back to the Planet." He grinned, as though at some private joke. "Want a lift?" Without waiting for her answer, he swept her up in his arms, and shot upwards, flying toward the newspaper. As they flew, Lois had a chance to look at him a little more closely than she had in awhile. Somehow he seemed different; flying with him seemed different. Maybe it was the blinding glare of the bright summer sun but even the shade of his eyes and the angle of his cheekbones seemed different. She felt uneasy and was glad when the brief flight was over and they landed on the pavement beneath the globe marking the front entrance to the Planet. Bending over, Superman kissed her cheek, and with a soft spoken "Thank you," he left her standing there, watching him become a distant speck as he soared away. What was that all about, Lois wondered. "Strange day," she muttered. She was still standing on the curb, when Clark came up behind her. She saw that he had a dark smudge across his right cheek, and as she automatically stepped closer to wipe it away she noticed he smelled of smoke. "Clark, where've you been? You smell like a barbecue." "Umm." He stood for a moment without replying, a small blissful smile on his face as he submitted to her ministrations, something that he too seldom received. For a moment their eyes met and neither spoke as her fingers lingered longer than necessary against his face. "So," Lois dropped her hand to his chest, then snatched it away and stepped back from him. Why, she wondered, did she find herself lost in him like this, every once in awhile. He was not what she wanted. Was he? "Fire, over on the east side, at 45th and Jefferson. Those old warehouses." In fact, it had been raging out of control until just a couple of minutes ago. Then, seeing that the Metropolis Fire Department no longer needed his help, he'd immediately returned to the Planet to find Lois standing on the curb, staring up into the western sky. * * * Althea watched from her bench across the road as the two reporters entered the building. She gave a quick chuckle as she realized what had just happened. I guess he couldn't resist seeing the young Lois. I hope he was satisfied, she thought wistfully. And I hope he didn't give anything away. We have to get out of here with no one knowing what's happening. These transporters don't come equipped with a memory erase button. Ten minutes later, Superman returned to her side. "Well?" she said dryly. He grinned at her impudently. "You were amazing. Still are," he added as he noticed her frown. Then he continued, his voice serious now. "I checked out both apartments. You were right. They're at Clinton street, waiting for Clark to return from work. We still have a couple of hours so I thought I'd come back here. We have to get them out of here with as little fuss as possible." "I think you'd better get out of that costume." He nodded, disappeared behind a clump of dense yews, and reappeared in black trousers and tee shirt. "Good thing men's fashions don't change much," she said. "I left your note with our transporter coordinates in the same place you left it. If everything's going well back home, then we should have a couple of guardians here this evening. If not..." he stopped speaking and looked at her, his eyes stricken. "If not, then I will have to kill Morgana and Wulf, and you and I can go home." He took her hand in his. She was quiet for a moment, appalled at what he had said. Her husband had always done everything possible to avoid killing and she had joined him in that struggle. It was one of the most important values that they had fought for all their lives. She bowed her head and said nothing. Then she stood up and removed the wig to reveal her white hair. She shook it loose. "That feels so much better. I'll try to keep Clark from going home tonight. You go back to Clinton street and keep an eye on things but be careful!" And with that she headed to the crosswalk that would take her to the Planet. * * * end, part 2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:25:57 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Kerth Nominations --coming finalists Comments: cc: lnc list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all! Nominations closed as of yesterday, and I thought you'd all be interested to know we had upwards of 80 nominations. A great turnout, IMO. :) I will be posting the final list of nominees to the lists and the websites by the end of the week, if not sooner. I'm sure many of you will be excited to hear that. So watch for those. Thanks to everyone for your enthusiasm and nominations! Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:17:08 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joshua Phelps Subject: Re: Good nfics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>You can find those stories at Anne's site, which is now back up and >running, >>thank God! >> >>http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm :) >> >>>From there, click on: The best in fanfic. >> >>You'll need to sign up for the password before you'll be able to read >>anything. >> >>Hope this helps, >>Mandy :) >> >>Where do you sign up for this password? I get to the site, but no deal >like on Demi's pops up. > >Thanks, >Rachel ok when you get to the site (it took me a while to figure this one out) you just join the listbot server and within the next day or so you will automatically be emailed the username and password. :c) No prob, Josh ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:14:03 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) << Clark admits his mistake, apologizes for it, and then Lois refuses to forgive him, using the weak excuse that she believes he'll do it to her again [snip] It looked to me like Lois just wanted to punish Clark for hurting her, >> Looking at the scene at the end of WIEAK, perhaps more from Lois's perspective, I was always angry at Clark. At the end of Contact, he decided out of the blue that it was too dangerous for he and Lois to see each other anymore. Not only did he pretty much revoke his proposal of marriage, but it seems he now thinks they shouldn't even date. Then, in WIEAK, he's introduced to the little green-eyed monster (literally & figuratively) and he suddenly changes his mind, expecting Lois to be waiting there patiently for him to change his mind and have her back. I don't know how much time passed between Contact and WIEAK, but if I were Lois, I wouldn't just say "oh, thank you for changing your mind, Clark," and jump back into his arms. I'd pause to think about how Clark had been manipulating their relationship. First he doesn't plan on telling her he was Superman until after he asked her to make a lifelong commitment to him, then he breaks up with her "for her own good." Then, in WIEAK, he bids on her in the charity auction. ("Hm, what was that you said earlier, Clark, we shouldn't see each other? So how come you're bidding on me?") Then he gets jealous and follows Lois and Patrick to the bar where he acts like a big baby while playing darts with Patrick. Finally he decides, "nah, forget what I said about breaking up, I've decided that I don't want that. Now let's get back together like nothing ever happened." << I think I understand what you're saying, but I *do* think Lois was angry and lashed out at Clark. The problem with fighting with the people you know well is that you know *exactly* how to hurt them the most. Lois used that knowledge against Clark. >> I think Lois *did* know how to hurt Clark more than anyone, but I also don't think she was trying to hurt him at the end of WIEAK. I think her emotions were very raw (considering all she'd been through since the beginning of the season, probably a few weeks or a little longer) and she was tired of being jerked around by Clark. << For instance, even after the whole non-wedding/amnesia mess was sorted out, Clark shut Lois out from helping him when he was shrunk in IASWAA. Lois tries to get him to open up to her, to let her help, and he is too ashamed or embarrassed or whatever to allow her to even see him. He seemed to distrust her emotional stability and strength to see him in such a diminutive state (his sarcasm about Mighty Mouse and hiding behind her picture makes that clear). >> This scene is the only positive that might have come out of Lois and Clark not being married in INPY; instead of newlywed-groom Clark telling Lois that he doesn't trust her emotional stability, at least it was inexperienced-dater Clark. I wouldn't want to have been just-married then have my husband decide that he doesn't think I can take it when the chips are down. <> If Clark were to begin to control Lois, he wouldn't be much better than Lex in that respect. I shuddered when Lex said, in HoL, that Lois was just a bit too independent; he'd change that. I doubt Lex fears for Lois's safety (rather, he wants to control her), but Clark should have known that Lois *is* independent. Taking away her independence (either by telling her not to follow potentially dangerous stories or by locking her in a cage) is the same as destroying her. -Christy (tireless defender of Lois Lane- Clark has enough people on his side ;) kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:20:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Good nfics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Josh wrote: Josh, It's DEFINITELY worth it!! JOY:) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:20:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eugene Ellison Subject: A Tempus Unforgotten MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE5EA0.C761B440" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE5EA0.C761B440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey everyone! I have a fanfic writing problem. I'm doing a what-if story about "Tempus = Fugitive" where Lois sees the 'CLARK IS SUPERMAN' card instead of Clark = tearing it up and then the plot begins. The problem is, should H.G. come = back and fix it or not? Or should L&C stay the same way again? = = =20 Thanks, Supergirl ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE5EA0.C761B440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE5EA0.C761B440-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:33:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Supergirl writes: Okay, I know you don't want to hear this, but how about both ways. You know, kind of a "choose your own ending" sort of story. I'm a sucker for Revelation stories myself. It might even be interesting, however unlikely, to see Lois find out and NOT tell Clark This happened in the Dawning series, which I loved BTW. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:04:29 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joshua Phelps Subject: Re: Good nfics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Josh wrote: > >Josh, >It's DEFINITELY worth it!! JOY:) > It certainly is!! I have spent the better part of the last 3 days reading these nfics. They are really great! :c) Josh ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:47:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Good nfics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And I felt bad about spending my weekend time reading more than doing. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Nine hours partying, fourty-one hours reading and sleeping, oh well. I guess that's to be expected since I'm not in college anymore. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:09:34 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Touching (was Non-Saint Lois) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/22/99 9:30:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, gremlino@PATHWAY.NET writes: > > Along the same lines (or not--I'm not sure!), does anyone have any insights > into why Lois touched Clark so much during the first & second seasons? > (*Before* they started dating.) She was always touching his arms, his > shoulders, his chest, (rubbing his chest!), patting his back...Why? At > first I thought it was because she had an overwhelming sexual attraction to > Clark (in spite of her denials), but she seemed uncomfortable touching him > in The Phoenix after Clark asked her out, and I noticed also that she put > her hand on Dan's knee just before she dumped him in WWW. > I honestly feel that Lois was just a tactile character... her touching didn't need to be romantic... in fact, once romance was added, it made the touching uncomfortable. She also touches Perry a lot (hugs, touches his arm, ect)... she just touches... that's just her. Clark also touches alot... probably comes from his loving family background. He certainly never objected to Lois touching him, and it never appeared to be derogatory to me. One last comment... pure speculation... I think that Teri and Dean were probably tactile people... it is not uncommon to see them with their arms around fans, and they frequently touch others to convey emotion in interviews. I think it was this tactile nature that gave us the chemistry we enjoyed on L&C... it just naturally spilled over into their characters. There's nothing wrong with touching... especially with close friends... whether they are male or female. It bothers me that it carries such unfavorable connotations. A physician I once worked for... a happily married man... was known for giving his co-workers back rubs when they looked like they were having a hard day... a hug when we were upset... I found it sweet of him. He was eventually brought up on sexual harrassment charges for hugging the wrong person. It was sad, really. Just my thoughts... touching is only harrassment when it is unwelcome... and that was never stated or implied in Lois and Clark. -Crys- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:41:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Terry S. Horowit" Subject: Re: lost story In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi > >This Story is the "Baby Scenario" by leslie Cohen(Lisland2) >It can be found on Aol's L&C Short story Bulletin Board at >aol://4344:113.lcrrss.454048.519087304 > >budmayes@aol.com Thank you so much for your quick response!! Terry ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:48:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: lost story Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>This Story is the "Baby Scenario" by leslie Cohen(Lisland2) >>It can be found on Aol's L&C Short story Bulletin Board at >>aol://4344:113.lcrrss.454048.519087304 Anyone know what the non-AOL member's address is for this site? Sheila ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:43:08 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: Re: [Writer's Showcase] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/99 11:04:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlgray@USA.NET writes: << Hi all, Just went to the Writer's Showcase addy Annie listed in her post and all I got was a message from Simplenet that the site is not there. Hope you aren't having troubles with the server! Debra G. >> Hi Debra, I hope you are no longer having any problems with the URL. If you are please email me privately and I will try to help you get there. Annie :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:08:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Touching (was Non-Saint Lois) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peggy wrote: >does anyone have any insights >into why Lois touched Clark so much during the first & second >seasons? Joy said: > I kind of always thought that it was a sign of friendly affection. Some >people are touchers when it comes to their friends, even if they don't form >those friendships easily. Clark never seemed to mind. LOL! No, he probably didn't mind! ;-) Peggy gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:32:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Peggy said, in a previous post: >(does she really think Clark is so dumb >that he can't learn from his mistakes?)" > EJVANCE@PRODIGY.NET said: >Well, actually Peggy (and others), I have to disagree on this point and go >with Lois on this one (as Martha said:). Throughout the series, Clark >struggled mightily to learn from his mistakes, but seemed to find it almost >TOO difficult, again and again, to allow Lois to be an equal partner to him >in their relationship struggles --snip-- So, >Lois would have been at least partly correct if she thought that Clark was >not going to learn from his mistakes--because he seemed to make that one a >lot! For instance, even after the whole non-wedding/amnesia mess was sorted >out, Clark shut Lois out from helping him when he was shrunk in IASWAA. --snip-- You make a great case for showing that Clark didn't learn from that particular mistake that he'd made, but these events happened *after* WIEAK--Lois couldn't have known in advance how Clark would react in later situations. Even in WIEAK, Clark has extreme difficulty letting Lois fend for >herself, or decide things for herself, even though keeping her safe from >Superman's enemies had been his original intention for breaking up with her >in Contact. So, clearly his misplaced sense of chivalry backfired on him >there. Also, in a less blatant instance, in SuperMann, Clark is reluctant >to let Lois go after the Nazis, instead instructing her to "stay here (at >STAR LABS)", to be interpreted as "where it is safe", until he could get >back from the sun. Again, this is *after* WIEAK. >I think Lois's feeling that he is not >respecting her equal footing in their relationship is at least partially >well-founded at that point Good point, but IMHO, rather than rejecting Clark and their whole relationship, Lois should have discussed his attitude, and tried to work things out with him. Okay, I know she was hurt, but that just reinforces my belief that she wanted to hurt Clark in return. I just wished she wouldn't be so hard on him, if not for their sakes, then at least to stop me from screaming and throwing things at the television set. ;-) Peggy gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:26:01 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: FoLC Lore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As I was working on my S6 episode, I came up with another piece of FoLC Lore ... A number of fanfics note that the Smallville newspaper published Clark's travelogs while he was overseas, and thus was one of his first breaks into the business. Kathy (guilty as charged ) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:43:14 -0500 Reply-To: nsa105@psu.edu Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nethra Ankam Subject: Re: FoLC Lore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought of another one. The Nigerian princess Clark learned dancing >from is usually a small girl of 8 or 9. Nethra ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:40:03 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Celia Carvalho Subject: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Isn't it funny how some things start? I don't remember who started this anymore, but it's been very interesting reading all about it...! I don't think that touching *has* got to be immediately linked to sexual harrassment. Not even at your workplace, if your co-workers are your friends and you are close to them. Sometimes I regret *not* being more of a touching person myself. From what I know, I think Dean and Teri are people who like to touch other people and L&C are like that, too. Their working environment is also informal and that makes it easier for people to be themselves. I work in a place like that and that's one of the reasons why I like to work here so much. When I'm stressing and tired, I have some male (and female, too) co-workers who come and rub my shoulders. I don't think that I'm being sexually harrassed when they do it. And we have the habit to greet in the morning with two kisses on the cheek. But that's how Portuguese people are...! We are always kissing at every opportunity we get...! I know that this isn't a habit or usual in other countries and especially not at work. Of course that things change when we find out that someone is romantically interested. And I think that's what happened to Lois when Clark first asked her out. Up until then she had touched him like she could have touched any other of her close friends. I always think about that time when she tried to cheer him up after his apartment was robbed and his globe was missing. She *tried* to rub his shoulders and she said something like, "God, you're so tense, like iron!" and he answered, "Steel". I don't think Lois would do this if she thought about Clark as something more than a friend. Also when Clark said good-morning to her and she was so worried about the way she looked, what she said and even about her coffee-breath. Before Clark asked her out, she even had crashed at his apartment on occasion and she never minded about these things. All of this to say that I think both characters acted normally in the show, before and after getting married. As for Cat Grant... well, she was different. But I liked her because I think she added some funny situations to the show. I especially loved the way she introduced herself to Clark in the Pilot episode and he repeated her name twice, with that dazzling gorgeous smile of his...! Gotta go now. Thanks for the incredible posts, everybody. Celia CARVALHO@LEXMARK.COM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:18:17 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Fanzine - Donating In-Reply-To: <9c9cd8f.36d1f2d1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:14:09 EST "Eileen F. Ray" wrote: > The FOLC in question lives in Europe and a donation account has already been > set up for her there by some of the German FOLCs (Hi Nicky :)). That should > make things easier for you and other Euro-FOLCS, particularly since you are > moving towards a unified currency and banking system. Yeah... but the UK is not, as yet, joining. However, perhaps the way to do it would be for any UK FOLCs interested to collect donations together in Sterling, and then transfer it, by whatever means is cheapest, to the German account, via Nicky. We'd have to work out a donation which would incorporate an element for an exchange rate. Jenni, and any other UK FOLCs interested, could we discuss via private email how we'd want to do this? Does anyone want to volunteer to act as the temporary 'banker'? Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:08:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: FoLC Lore In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:26 PM 2/22/1999 -0600, you wrote: >As I was working on my S6 episode, I came up with another piece of FoLC >Lore ... > >A number of fanfics note that the Smallville newspaper published Clark's >travelogs while he was overseas, and thus was one of his first breaks into >the business. > >Kathy (guilty as charged ) Ditto :) Debby Debby@swcp.com who has even written a resume for CK for her story in progress :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 06:19:00 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Supergirl wrote: >I have a fanfic writing problem. I'm doing a what-if story about "Tempus Fugitive" where Lois sees the 'CLARK IS SUPERMAN' card instead of Clark tearing it up and then the plot begins. The problem is, should H.G. come back and fix it or not? Or should L&C stay the same way again? I think it should be alittle of both. Let Clark sweat it out awhile and then give him the idea of contacting H.G. Wells to fix it. But that is just IMHO. Thanks for listening!! Annobelle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:56:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ann said: >...remembered that she was very petty and childish in Wall of Sound when Clark >got nominated for the Kerth Award and she didn't. > Yes; I've always felt that this is the episode where Lois really starts to respect Clark and treat him as an equal. Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:10:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) (was Re: Touching) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >At 12:31 PM -0500 2/22/99, Peggy Mueller wrote: > >>Throughout the first season, even when Lois isn't saying anything >>specifically mean, her attitude toward Clark is arrogant and patronizing, >>and she always seems to be putting him down by comparing him unfavorably to >>Superman, or belittling him because of his rural background. > Kathy wrote: >It's very easy to give generalities without backing them up. Can you give >specific scenes/episodes/discussions to support your statement? > --snip-- >There are 22 hours of show in the first season, but by hour 9 or so, Lois >is acting tender towards Clark and considers him a good friend. This is >just over 1/3 of the way through the first season. So, how do substantiate >your statement that "throughout the first season" Lois is mean to Clark? > >As I said, I can't remember her being unjustifiably insulting to him past >the first 3-5 episodes. (One could argue that her outburst at him during >IGACOY (#6) was justified.) Can you give me scenes to support your >disagreement? > To reiterate, I said that Lois's attitude was arrogant and patronizing, even when she wasn't being out right mean. First, I'm going somewhat on body language--the way Lois sometimes strides ahead of Clark as if she doesn't know or care whether he's following her (I'm not too sure how long this lasts, though, it may have been only in the first few episodes.) I'm also going by her sarcastic tone of voice that seemed to be patronizing toward Clark or disparaging or challenging the things he says. Her attitude towards Clark Kent (posture, body language, and tone of voice), was quite different from her attitude toward Superman, and since Clark was both men, I'm sure he felt the difference keenly. Now for an episode by episode rundown...tada! 5. RFASH: When Perry tells Lois he's partnering her with Clark, she says that Clark is "...not that exciting." When Clark tells her it can't be that bad, she says "It'll be that bad...it'll be worse." 6. IGACOY: At the end of the episode, Lois tells Clark that *Superman* wouldn't have taken over the story. (I don't know which of Lois's outbursts you're referring to here, but I sided with Clark in getting Lois out of the club--her cover was blown--bigtime!) 7. SK: I didn't like the offhanded way Lois gestured to Clark to pick up the tab after their ride in the taxi. She acted like he was a lackey or something. Maybe this was just bad manners on her part, but usually polite people discuss this kind of thing first. 9. MOSB: Lois rushes to Clark's apartment when Superman is staying with him. She says she wants to see that "you guys get a decent meal." Huh??? Lois preparing a meal? How many times has she prepared a meal for Clark? It looks to me like she came to Clark's apartment because she wanted to see the big celebrity with godlike super powers who happened to be staying with Clark, and I'm guessing that Clark saw it the same way. (And yes, you're right, she did soften toward Clark after he left the Daily Planet and she began to realize how much she missed him.) 10. PML: After the pheromone compound wears off, Lois leaves Clark's apartment and tells him (with unnecessary sharpness I thought, especially considering his gentlemanly behavior toward her the night before, when he really could have taken advantage of her condition, and for which she never seems to give him credit), "...and don't even think about making me wait!" Clark is apparently accustomed to this kind of treatment, because he says rather ruefully, "She's ba-ack!" 11. HIM: Lois doesn't want to let Clark use the bed. This seems rude to me (maybe it's a cultural difference), and I can't imagine her treating Superman or Lex Luthor this way. 12. ASU: At the end, Lois mentions how hard the asteroid episode must have been for Superman, and when Clark (perhaps hoping that she'll show some sign of concern for *him*) protests that it wasn't a picnic for him, either (after all, he's just recovered from amnesia!), she says sarcastically, "You fell into a bunch of garbage cans! I hardly think you can put yourself in the same league as him!" 13. Witness: Aaah! Don't get me started on this one! Lois's attitude toward Clark was so scornful and unappreciative throughout most of the episode that it set my teeth on edge. First she scorns Clark as a bodyguard ("you would not be my first choice, Clark"). Then after Clark saves her life, she barely acknowledges it. This is in *sharp* contrast to the way she makes goo-goo eyes at every other man who saves her life. I know you don't like sweeping generalizations that aren't backed up by facts so I'll provide a few examples: When Lex Luthor saves her life in RFASH, Lois ignores Superman and goes over to Lex, looking at him worshipfully and saying in an awed voice, "you saved my life." When Respendent Man saves her life in ABFTB, she looks at him with awed appreciation. When Agent Please Call Me Dan Scardino saves her life in Resurrection (should I abbrev. it R?), again, awed appreciation. And practically *every* time Superman saves her life, she makes goo-goo eyes at him. Yikes! She appreciates everybody but Clark! After Clark saves her life for the second time that day (and she refuses to believe it), Clark reminds her that he saved her life and she brushes it off--"that was earlier." She seems to change her tune a little after Clark saves her from being strangled to death, but later she starts snapping at him again, and she & Perry sneer at the idea of Clark as bodyguard when he stumbles and spills his coffee. (I'm not sure about the sequence of events there, but I *think* the sneering followed the saving.) (After Barbara (?) called Lois and threatened her, it was back to good ol' Clark to spend the night with him, and as you mentioned, in the end, she let Clark walk her home even though she didn't need a body guard any more.) 16. Foundling: I thought Lois's whole attitude toward the robbery of Clark's apartment was rather insensitive. She mentions at one point that she's not interested in his collection of bottle caps and love letters from Lulu May and his blue ribbon from the Smallville soapbox derby. Okay, maybe this was one friend teasing another good friend, but she doesn't show much empathy. Lois: "I'm sorry about the robbery but you have to put it behind you and snap out of it." Clark (sarcastically) "Thanks for your concern, Lois." 18. Vatman: After Clark faces down Superman, Lois seems strangely unappreciative of Clark's bravery. She says incredulously, "...you *challenged* him!" then she brushes it off, "you must be outta your mind." 19. FH: Lois's attitude toward Clark seems scornful throughout. Lois to Clark (sarcastically): "Take it easy! You're not Superman!" Then, "*Superman* would find a way to save us." When Clark starts to tend Lex's wound, Perry and Jack help him unquestioningly, but Lois has to say, "Clark, this is no time for voodoo!" 20 & 21. BATP and HOL: These episodes were quite painful to watch, and offered Clark the greatest insult, although Lois didn't know it. I can't marry you Clark, I just don't feel that way about you--I don't know if I love Lex Luthor, either, but I'll marry him since Superman won't marry me. Huh? Okay, have I proven yet that I watch entirely too much television and need to get a life? :-)) I loved every minute of this show, and I think Lois's disparaging attitude toward Clark was hilarious, considering who he was. She just "didn't know who she was talking to," did she? Peggy, enjoying this discussion, too. :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:27:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >At 12:31 PM -0500 2/22/99, Peggy Mueller wrote: > >>Throughout the first season, even when Lois isn't saying anything >>specifically mean, her attitude toward Clark is arrogant and patronizing, >>and she always seems to be putting him down by comparing him unfavorably to >>Superman, or belittling him because of his rural background. > Kathy wrote: >It's very easy to give generalities without backing them up. Can you give >specific scenes/episodes/discussions to support your statement? > --snip-- >There are 22 hours of show in the first season, but by hour 9 or so, Lois >is acting tender towards Clark and considers him a good friend. This is >just over 1/3 of the way through the first season. So, how do substantiate >your statement that "throughout the first season" Lois is mean to Clark? > >As I said, I can't remember her being unjustifiably insulting to him past >the first 3-5 episodes. (One could argue that her outburst at him during >IGACOY (#6) was justified.) Can you give me scenes to support your >disagreement? > To reiterate, I said that Lois's attitude was arrogant and patronizing, even when she wasn't being out right mean. First, I'm going somewhat on body language--the way Lois sometimes strides ahead of Clark as if she doesn't know or care whether he's following her (I'm not too sure how long this lasts, though, it may have been only in the first few episodes.) I'm also going by her sarcastic tone of voice that seemed to be patronizing toward Clark or disparaging or challenging the things he says. Her attitude towards Clark Kent (posture, body language, and tone of voice), was quite different from her attitude toward Superman, and since Clark was both men, I'm sure he felt the difference keenly. Now for an episode by episode rundown...tada! 5. RFASH: When Perry tells Lois he's partnering her with Clark, she says that Clark is "...not that exciting." When Clark tells her it can't be that bad, she says "It'll be that bad...it'll be worse." 6. IGACOY: At the end of the episode, Lois tells Clark that *Superman* wouldn't have taken over the story. (I don't know which of Lois's outbursts you're referring to here, but I sided with Clark in getting Lois out of the club--her cover was blown--bigtime!) 7. SK: I didn't like the offhanded way Lois gestured to Clark to pick up the tab after their ride in the taxi. She acted like he was a lackey or something. Maybe this was just bad manners on her part, but usually polite people discuss this kind of thing first. 9. MOSB: Lois rushes to Clark's apartment when Superman is staying with him. She says she wants to see that "you guys get a decent meal." Huh??? Lois preparing a meal? How many times has she prepared a meal for Clark? It looks to me like she came to Clark's apartment because she wanted to see the big celebrity with godlike super powers who happened to be staying with Clark, and I'm guessing that Clark saw it the same way. (And yes, you're right, she did soften toward Clark after he left the Daily Planet and she began to realize how much she missed him.) 10. PML: After the pheromone compound wears off, Lois leaves Clark's apartment and tells him (with unnecessary sharpness I thought, especially considering his gentlemanly behavior toward her the night before, when he really could have taken advantage of her condition, and for which she never seems to give him credit), "...and don't even think about making me wait!" Clark is apparently accustomed to this kind of treatment, because he says rather ruefully, "She's ba-ack!" 11. HIM: Lois doesn't want to let Clark use the bed. This seems rude to me (maybe it's a cultural difference), and I can't imagine her treating Superman or Lex Luthor this way. 12. ASU: At the end, Lois mentions how hard the asteroid episode must have been for Superman, and when Clark (perhaps hoping that she'll show some sign of concern for *him*) protests that it wasn't a picnic for him, either (after all, he's just recovered from amnesia!), she says sarcastically, "You fell into a bunch of garbage cans! I hardly think you can put yourself in the same league as him!" 13. Witness: Aaah! Don't get me started on this one! Lois's attitude toward Clark was so scornful and unappreciative throughout most of the episode that it set my teeth on edge. First she scorns Clark as a bodyguard ("you would not be my first choice, Clark"). Then after Clark saves her life, she barely acknowledges it. This is in *sharp* contrast to the way she makes goo-goo eyes at every other man who saves her life. I know you don't like sweeping generalizations that aren't backed up by facts , so I'll provide a few examples: When Lex Luthor saves her life in RFASH, Lois ignores Superman and goes over to Lex, looking at him worshipfully and saying in an awed voice, "you saved my life." When Respendent Man saves her life in ABFTB, she looks at him with awed appreciation. When Agent Please Call Me Dan Scardino saves her life in Resurrection (should I abbrev. it R?), again, she shows awed appreciation. And practically *every* time Superman saves her life, she makes goo-goo eyes at him. Back to Witness: After Clark saves her life for the second time that day (and she refuses to believe it), Clark reminds her that he saved her life and she brushes it off--"that was earlier." She seems to change her tune a little after Clark saves her from being strangled to death, but later she starts snapping at him again, and she & Perry sneer at the idea of Clark as bodyguard when he stumbles and spills his coffee. (I'm not sure about the sequence of events there, but I *think* the sneering followed the saving.) (After Barbara (?) called Lois and threatened her, it was back to good ol' Clark to spend the night with him, and as you mentioned, in the end, she let Clark walk her home even though she didn't need a body guard any more.) 16. Foundling: I thought Lois's whole attitude toward the robbery of Clark's apartment was rather insensitive. She mentions at one point that she's not interested in his collection of bottle caps and love letters from Lulu May and his blue ribbon from the Smallville soapbox derby. Okay, maybe this was one friend teasing another good friend, but she doesn't show much empathy. Lois: "I'm sorry about the robbery but you have to put it behind you and snap out of it." Clark (sarcastically) "Thanks for your concern, Lois." 18. Vatman: After Clark faces down the clone Superman, Lois seems strangely unappreciative of Clark's bravery in rescuing her from the unwanted advances of a man with super powers. She says incredulously, "...you *challenged* him!" then she brushes it off, "you must be outta your mind." 19. FH: Lois's attitude toward Clark seems scornful throughout. Lois to Clark (sarcastically): "Take it easy! You're not Superman!" Then, "*Superman* would find a way to save us." When Clark starts to tend Lex's wound, Perry and Jack help him unquestioningly, but Lois has to say, "Clark, this is no time for voodoo!" 20 & 21. BATP and HOL: These episodes were quite painful to watch, and offered Clark the greatest insult, although Lois didn't know it. I can't marry you Clark, I just don't feel that way about you--I don't know if I love Lex Luthor, either, but I'll marry him since Superman won't marry me. Huh? It was in this episode that Lois seemed most shallow to me. She didn't want the ordinary man who was her best friend (and who she really loved); she wanted the celebrity super hero, and in lieu of him, she decided to accept the powerful billionnaire. I know that according to the story line, it was Lex's machinations that secured Lois for him (he yanked the rug out from underneath her, and she toppled into his arms), but I still had a hard time accepting Lois's actions here. I'm tempted to agree with Martha in Wendy Richards' fanfic, "House of...Lane," that Okay, have I proven yet that I watch this show entirely too much and need to get a life? :-)) I loved every minute of this show, and I think Lois's disparaging attitude toward Clark was hilarious, considering who he was. She just "didn't know who she was talking to," did she? Peggy, enjoying this discussion, too. :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:52:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint--sorry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about sending the same post several times. To finish what I was saying about BATP and HOL: >It was in this episode that Lois seemed most shallow to me. She didn't want the ordinary man who was her best friend (and who she really loved); she wanted the celebrity super hero, and in lieu of him, she decided to accept the powerful billionnaire. I know that according to the story line, it was Lex's machinations that secured Lois for him (he yanked the rug out >from underneath her, and she toppled into his arms), but I still had a hard time accepting Lois's actions here. I'm tempted (I should say, I *was* tempted) to agree with Martha in Wendy Richards' fanfic, "House of...Lane," that "if she can marry Luthor while claiming to love Superman, perhaps she just isn't the person you thought she was." It was only after reading some great fanfic (this being one of them, and two by Zoomway and an author whose name escapes me also come to mind), which offered some reasonable explanations for Lois's behavior, that I changed my mind about Lois's personality during the first season. Back to Lois treating Clark with arrogance and disparagement: Lois's undervaluation of Clark was an integral part of the show and created a lot of dramatic tension, frustration, and, yes, amusement. It's part of why I enjoyed the series so much. :-) Cheers, Peggy, who has to go back to work now. :-( gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:10:10 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Fanzine (was Re: A plethera of responses) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eileen wrote: >The FOLC in question lives in Europe and a donation account has already been >set up for her there by some of the German FOLCs (Hi Nicky :)). That should >make things easier for you and other Euro-FOLCS, particularly since you are >moving towards a unified currency and banking system. Not to put a damper on things, Eileen or be awkward, but methinks your media's been giving you a warped sense of how rapidly things proceed on the Euro there! It's not on the cards for the UK for a time yet. And I suspect converting to dm is probably going to prove as awkward as dollars for us UK FoLCs until we do. I've just had to back out of buying Neil's LNC frogs because my bank wanted to charge an extortionate conversion fee for the privilage and I refused to pay what amounts to sheer extortion. I'm sure that if you were to take a DNA sample from bank managers you'd find a direct genetic link to Dick Turpin. So, Lisa, if you're still interested I'd suggest you contact Neil! I did try mailing you personally to let you know that the frogs were back on the market, but my message was returned, address unknown. Sorry! > >Once we are ready to roll, which should be soon if work stops burying me, I'll >post announcements here and the other Loiscla list concerning the way to >donate and how we are going to handle the logistics of distribution ;). > I'll look forward to it! Being FoLCs and therefore highly resourceful and intelligent, I know we'll be able to work something out and those pesky banks which keep spoiling my fun can go.......(censored). LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:28:09 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: new fanfic: Strange Visitors, part 1 of 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-22 19:27:48 EST, you write: << What follows is sort of a practice story . I wanted to see if I could write a *short* story. Feedback is very welcome; it's always helpful. The story is set in S1, just before The Green, Green Glow of Home and has nothing to do with the episode "Strange Visitor". >> What a wonderfully delightful story....I am intriqued and would love to know more about the world you have created here. You tell just enough to make the story work and enough to build a novel around! hint, hint....short or long, though, I always enjoy your work, and you've done it again. (Is it Morgana or Miranda? ) Kate ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:07:14 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: new fanfic: Strange Visitors In-Reply-To: <24ec019b.36d2e529@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Carol, that was wonderful!! It took me until about half-way through part 2 to figure out who 'Althea' was - you very cleverly kept the mystery and suspense going. The idea of an elderly Lois going back into the past to help her younger counterpart and her husband-to-be was just beautiful. Like Kate, I'd love to see a little more expansion of the idea... perhaps the background to who Morgana and Wolf are, and what they tried to do, and why; but having said that, the story as it stands is excellent. Great work! Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:50:50 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sue Modolo Subject: Tuesday Mussings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain This discussion regarding LNC and touching in the workplace sure is interesting. I think that it depends upon the workplace. I worked for the Canadian Forces between 1975 and 1982 in Canadian Forces Base Kingston (Ontario, Canada) at several jobs and several of them were as different as night and day. In the job where I was a file clerk, the place was so formal and stuffy it was not funny. You could cut the tension in the office with a knife - the people were polite and always so standoffish. Then I moved to another job and the place was completely different. We had a few laughs all the time. It was a pleasure to come to work every morning. Kind of wish I was back there again after 16 years. LOL But as people have observed, the Daily Planet is a very informal place to work. Has anyone ever seen anyone punch a timeclock? Think of what it would have been like if Clark had to punch out evertime he had to change into Superman LOL I have always thought of Perry as the father figure to Lois, Clark and Jimmy. He may be gruff on the outside but if you could look in his heart, you would find a big marshmallow. I think that the casting department did an excellent job of casting the whole cast, esp Martha. I think K Callan did an excellent job as Martha. Someone also mentioned that the portrayal of Superman by Chris Reeves was very cold compared to Dean Cain. It has been a while since I have seen the Superman movies, but I think that Dean is better suited for the role than Chris. I wonder if anyone has seen the re-runs of George Reeves as Superman from the 1950's? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:11:34 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Tuesday Mussings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-23 13:51:25 EST, smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << But as people have observed, the Daily Planet is a very informal place to work. Has anyone ever seen anyone punch a timeclock? Think of what it would have been like if Clark had to punch out evertime he had to change into Superman LOL >> Ah, but didn't Clark say something to Linda King about signing out or something similar when they leave the office? --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:22:00 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) (was Re: Touching) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/23/99 11:10:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, gremlino@PATHWAY.NET writes: << How many times has she prepared a meal for Clark? >> How any times has Lois prepared a meal, period? LOL After reading all these examples of Lois's snide, sarcastic, or just plain not nice remarks to Clark, the thought has occurred to me that she is subconsciously trying to keep him at arm's length. She is definitely afraid of being close to people, and as the pheromone spray showed her, she is attracted to Clark. I think she is afraid if he got to know her, he wouldn't like her and so she may be trying to protect herself from hurt and rejection by doing it first. Just a thought. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:35:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: new fanfic: Strange Visitors MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This has to have been the best new fanfic I've read in a while. Carol, thank you so much! Everything about it was perfect. Wendy, I'm glad that I didn't read your e-mail until AFTER I had read the story myself. I, too, figured out partway through the identity of Althea, however, I'm glad I was able to find out on my own. :-) I would also be thrilled to see this idea expanded into a whole series of stories (hint, hint). I know, easy for me to say, right? I'll be keeping my fingers crossed! Vicki (who will now reluctantly review the 12 page budget justification that she's been avoiding.....) Vicki.Krell@asu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:28:20 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Fanzine (was Re: A plethera of responses) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Things may be different on your side of the Atlantic, but usually the best way to deal with currency exchanges when spending money in Europe, but being American, is to charge them on a VISA or Mastercard. That way you avoid a lot of the fees. So maybe there could be some way to use credit cards. Also, it's been a few years since I was in England, but the last time I was there, the best place to change money was at a post office. They had the best rates and lowest fees of any institution. Also, when I was in Scotland last summer, some banks charged outrageous fees and others charged very little. I think the good one was the Royal Bank. So it pays to shop around on currency exchanges. Ann ( a former international banker who couldn't stand it and switched to teaching.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:02:04 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: The Heir In-Reply-To: <3b608baa.36a51ef6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Default"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ann wrote: > I seem to remember reading that "The Heir" had turned into a three part= saga. > I have managed to find, read and enjoy the first two parts. Does anyon= e know > if the third part has appeared and if so, where to find it? I'm slowly catching up on the ton of email that piled up while I was movi= ng -- yes, I moved to New York to be close to my sweetheart -- it's a FoLC/You'= ve Got Mail love story! Anyway, at the moment The Heir is a trilogy the same way Star Wars is a = triple trilogy -- the last part hasn't been written yet. Piper and I kee= p saying we should work on it, but there just hasn't been the time. We have some ideas floating around for it, and maybe one of these days we'll actually write it, although it's harder now that I live so far away from her -- = she used to come over to my house and pace and brainstorm and finish my sentences -- it was a wonderful time :) Peace ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:08:37 GMT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eilonwy Jamison Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I just wished she wouldn't be so hard on him, if not for their sakes, then at least to stop me from screaming and throwing things at the television set. ;-) Peggy gremlino@pathway.net I am glad I'm not the only one that was throwing things and screaming at the television! I though I was going crazy! :) Talk to you all later! Eilonwy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:30:16 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Norman Mayes Subject: Re: Tuesday Mussings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-23 13:51:25 EST, you write: << Someone also mentioned that the portrayal of Superman by Chris Reeves was very cold compared to Dean Cain. It has been a while since I have seen the Superman movies, but I think that Dean is better suited for the role than Chris. I wonder if anyone has seen the re-runs of George Reeves as Superman from the 1950's? >> I think that the portrayals 'are' very different, but much of that is due to how the character of Superman was portrayed and the differences in a movie vs a TV series. Christopher Reeves's Superman was a Superman who pretended to be a human, aka Clark Kent, and who hid Superman in a guise of a mild mannered weak kneed human. This is very much how the comics portrayed him until John Byrne revamped Superman. Of course we all know that Dean Cain's Superman, was a man who gained super powers and thought of himself as human and who hid the human in the guise of a costumed demigod called Superman. The outlooks are 180 degrees. As for movies vs TV. There are 4 movies = 8+ hours vs 88 eps = 66+ hours. There is much more time to explore the characters, more depth and dimension. For what Christopher Reeve had to work with, I think that his portrayal of Clark Kent was amazing. He was very believable as Superman. Just look at the scene in Lois's apt where he considers telling Lois who he is. He staightens up and he just seems to transform from a milqutoast into a Superman. A great actor. It makes me wonder just what he might have been able to do in Dean's place. budmayes@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:03:04 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Fanzine (was Re: A plethera of responses) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne wrote: >Things may be different on your side of the Atlantic, but usually the best way >to deal with currency exchanges when spending money in Europe, but being >American, is to charge them on a VISA or Mastercard. That way you avoid a lot >of the fees. So maybe there could be some way to use credit cards. Except for those of us who refuse to have the tempting little things because we don't trust ourselves. > >Also, it's been a few years since I was in England, but the last time I was >there, the best place to change money was at a post office. They had the >best rates and lowest fees of any institution. Also, when I was in Scotland >last summer, some banks charged outrageous fees and others charged very >little. I think the good one was the Royal Bank. So it pays to shop around >on currency exchanges. Apparently not any more as this is my bank, Ann. :). The trouble is that they charge a standard fee right across the board. So it's fine if you're converting a large sum, but hopeless if you're not. > >Ann ( a former international banker who couldn't stand it and switched to >teaching.) Smart move, kid. LabRat (who's still sure we'll find a way) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:53:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten In-Reply-To: <19990223141900.21121.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:19 AM 2/23/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Supergirl wrote: > >>I have a fanfic writing problem. I'm doing a what-if story about >"Tempus Fugitive" where Lois sees the 'CLARK IS SUPERMAN' card instead >of Clark tearing it up and then the plot begins. The problem is, should >H.G. come back and fix it or not? Or should L&C stay the same way again? > >I think it should be alittle of both. Let Clark sweat it out awhile and >then give him the idea of contacting H.G. Wells to fix it. But that is >just IMHO. Thanks for listening!! > >Annobelle But how would he know? He'd have to remember the original adventure, and HGW arranged for CK's & LL's memories to be clouded. You'll have to uncloud CK (not easy, I know...) Debby Debby@swcp.com thinks: CK is cute but cloudy sometimes... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:02:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) (was Re: Touching) In-Reply-To: <034701be5f47$572aebe0$9031e7d0@gremlino> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 AM -0500 2/23/99, Peggy Mueller wrote: >I loved every minute of this show, and I think Lois's disparaging attitude >toward Clark was hilarious, considering who he was. Something we can agree on. Thanks for a great discussion. :) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:39:28 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: cash converters (was re: Fanzine (was Re: A plethera of responses)) In-Reply-To: <005b01be5f92$c792c060$b03470c2@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:03 AM 24/02/99 -0000, LabRat wrote: >Anne wrote: > > >>Things may be different on your side of the Atlantic, but usually the best >way >>to deal with currency exchanges when spending money in Europe, but being >>American, is to charge them on a VISA or Mastercard. That way you avoid a >lot >>of the fees. So maybe there could be some way to use credit cards. > > >Except for those of us who refuse to have the tempting little things because >we don't trust ourselves. >> >>Also, it's been a few years since I was in England, but the last time I was >>there, the best place to change money was at a post office. They had the >>best rates and lowest fees of any institution. Also, when I was in >Scotland >>last summer, some banks charged outrageous fees and others charged very >>little. I think the good one was the Royal Bank. So it pays to shop >around >>on currency exchanges. > > >Apparently not any more as this is my bank, Ann. :). The trouble is that >they charge a standard fee right across the board. So it's fine if you're >converting a large sum, but hopeless if you're not. >> >>Ann ( a former international banker who couldn't stand it and switched to >>teaching.) > >Smart move, kid. > >LabRat (who's still sure we'll find a way) My experience (from an Aussie POV) from the last two years' worth of selling L&C Showbags to FoLCs was that if I had cash, I could convert it at Thomas Cook (a local travel agent) for only $4 per conversion (although if I was converting large amounts they charged $4.75, I think). My memory was that banks charged something like $10.00; however I recently had a small amount of US cash to convert, and couldn't get to the Thomas Cook, so I went to the bank next door to work, and they only charged me $5, so I don't know whether it would be worth my efforts to get to Thomas Cook any more. Also with regard to using credit cards to avoid conversion fees - I recently applied for an American Express card, and noticed in the literature that when making purchases they would always be converted to Australian dollars as necessary, plus a percentage for the conversion rate. I don't know whether that applies to Amex cardholders from overseas. One final word of advice. If you have the option of sending cash as opposed to sending a bank cheque/draft/foreign money order, do so; people who receive any of the latter usually need to deposit them into their bank accounts and wait for them to clear (often up to a month!) and then pay the bank's highest conversion rate to access the money, all of which means that whatever you send would be worth less than if you had sent the same amount of cash. Takes too long and costs too much! (Depends largely on whether or not you trust your local and the recipient's local postal services, I guess.) jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (6) and Megan (3) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:06:37 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/23/99 10:26:40 AM Central Standard Time, gremlino@PATHWAY.NET writes: << I'm also going by her sarcastic tone of voice that seemed to be patronizing toward Clark or disparaging or challenging the things he says. Her attitude towards Clark Kent (posture, body language, and tone of voice), was quite different from her attitude toward Superman, and since Clark was both men, I'm sure he felt the difference keenly. >> This view of Lois' behavior and treatment of Clark was actually the majority opinion on this list and elsewhere in cyber space as 1rst season was airing for the first time ;) Lois had few defenders back then and I have the tattered cape to prove it Since I was in the minority when it came to trying to see her point of view, I got the label "TDOLL" (Tireless Defender of Lois Lane ;) Part of the problem is that Lois had no sounding board. Only briefly when Lucy existed 1rst season did Lois have someone to vent her feelings to and only then did we know her motives and feelings for some of the things she did. Clark always had his parents to speak with and so we often heard his point of view when he would frequently speak with them either on the phone or in person. Not so with Lois. For example, in Neverending Battle, we at least knew that until Lois stole Clark's story, she had *never* done that before and is galled by her own unethical behavior. How would we even know this much if Lucy hadn't been in the episode? It was a big mistake when they didn't replace Lucy immediately. >From that point on, it was tough to know what Lois was really thinking unless she made one of her "death bed" confessions to Clark, as in Strange Visitor. It wasn't until later in first season and on into 2nd season where Lois and Clark became friends and Lois would more willingly share her inner thoughts and feelings with Clark. Which I prefer anyway ;) This was a matter of trust too. Lois discovered Clark was a man she could fall apart in front of and he wouldn't judge her or tease her. Teasing was standard operating procedure first season when it came to Lois' character. "Poor, Lois. All work and no personality" Lois reaching into a trash can gets the response, "Looking for your career, Lois?" On the other hand, if Lois put someone down, it wasn't seen as funny, but rather mean or sarcastic. In sitcoms, her type of character has been well represented in the likes of Barney Fife, Frank Burns or Ted Baxter. Characters who take themselves too seriously, but in a comically exaggerated way, have an overblown sense of their own self-importance, and are easy targets for jokes. However, they could also be unsympathetic characters, or at the very least, characters the audience wouldn't particularly want to be >>>5. RFASH: When Perry tells Lois he's partnering her with Clark, she says that Clark is "...not that exciting." When Clark tells her it can't be that bad, she says "It'll be that bad...it'll be worse."<< This is true, but it's also true that Lois was learning, and often the teacher was Clark. It was one of the sweet ironies of the show. A strange visitor >from another planet was teaching a "local" how to be more human, trusting and loving. Lois chides herself for killing a story because it might cause trouble for her father. She feels she should have been objective and put that aside. She says, "Who'd want a partner like that?" Clark replies warmly, "I would." Lois gradually came to truly respect Clark's opinion, and so these early exchanges were pivotal. >>>. IGACOY: At the end of the episode, Lois tells Clark that *Superman* wouldn't have taken over the story. (I don't know which of Lois's outbursts you're referring to here, but I sided with Clark in getting Lois out of the club--her cover was blown--bigtime!)<<< Ah, the recycled Moonlighting script Lois' cover was blown big time all right, by *Clark!!!* This also reflects back to the WIEAK thread. Clark shows up at the Metro Club for what he feels is a noble reason, to protect Lois. But how did *she* view it? Horning in, maybe? Mistrust? The idea that she's incompetent in his eyes and can't handle herself or the story? And it was *her* story. I'm not even saying Clark was wrong wanting to look out for her, but there were more unobtrusive ways. Methods that wouldn't make Lois feel like "big brother" was watching. Believe me, had it been Jimmy, for example, that Clark was trying to look out for, but destroyed his cover, threw him the garbage and added further insult to injury by dismissing his anger by smugly offering him a calming tea, I doubt Clark would have come out so sweet smelling. >>>7. SK: I didn't like the offhanded way Lois gestured to Clark to pick up the tab after their ride in the taxi. She acted like he was a lackey or something. Maybe this was just bad manners on her part, but usually polite people discuss this kind of thing first.<<< As I recall, Clark is the one who made Lois tip the bellhop in Honeymoon in Metropolis, even rolling his hand signaling her to give more Smart Kids isn't a favorite episode for me, but when Lois squelches Clark and says "I love that!' when he stole evidence, it did lead him into a life of crime where he started stealing evidence routinely, and I think, just to turn her on Gotta love the guy. Even back then, making her happy, made him happy ;) >>>9. MOSB: Lois rushes to Clark's apartment when Superman is staying with him. She says she wants to see that "you guys get a decent meal." Huh??? Lois preparing a meal? How many times has she prepared a meal for Clark?<<< Lois' cooking skills aside ... *way* aside, she did try to cook for Clark *after* she fell in love with him. She *was* in love with Superman first season, and so that's why she offered to cook for him. Don't forget that great Cajun lasagna Lois cooked for Clark in It's a Small World After All. The rumaki in Resurrection that he nearly choked to death on. After she and Clark were married, she even contacted a chef to give her cooking lessons. Reading "The Basics of the Continental Breakfast" (snicker! ;) in Ghosts. She tried, but she just didn't seem to pack the gear ;) >>>It looks to me like she came to Clark's apartment because she wanted to see the big celebrity with godlike super powers who happened to be staying with Clark, and I'm guessing that Clark saw it the same way.<< No, I just think she loved him and longed to be with him. Clark, as Superman, did nothing to discourage Lois' affection first season (except in Barbarians at the Planet as retaliation), and often did things that gave her hope (as false as it was) that Superman reciprocated her feelings. The pass Clark is often given on this point is that he so much wanted to be close to Lois, and since she loved Superman, that was the only way to accomplish that. The truth is, both of them wanted the same thing, to be close to the person they loved, and sometimes both would bend their ethics to achieve that. >>>especially considering his gentlemanly behavior toward her the night before, when he really could have taken advantage of her condition, and for which she never seems to give him credit<<< That's probably a dicey issue. Clark *knew* Lois wasn't herself. He even says "it's not real" and "Lois, I cannot take advantage of you" and compares the condition of everyone effected to being "drunk". Clark, in fact, *does* give in, but fortunately for both of them, the effects of the spray had worn of by then. I'm not reopening a rape thread, but Clark knew she was "drunk on love" and that he was not, and so his judgment wasn't impaired. If Lois wasn't herself, was drunk, drugged, or whatever, there is no "consent" because she wasn't in her right mind to give consent. Clark can fly if nothing else He should have stayed as far away from her as possible. >>>11. HIM: Lois doesn't want to let Clark use the bed. This seems rude to me (maybe it's a cultural difference), and I can't imagine her treating Superman or Lex Luthor this way.<<< I think the reason Lois wouldn't have treated Lex or Superman that way is because they wouldn't have treated Lois as Clark had. That is, I can't imagine Superman even *suggesting* that they flip for the bed, alternate nights, or share the bed. Superman just wouldn't do that. Neither would Lex, but for him it would have been his phony, well-practiced gentleman routine. It's weird though, I even have trouble imagining Clark wanting to stick Lois with the sofa. It just seemed a bit out of character to me. >>>protests that it wasn't a picnic for him, either (after all, he's just recovered from amnesia!), she says sarcastically, "You fell into a bunch of garbage cans! I hardly think you can put yourself in the same league as him!"<<< I'm definitely not fond of this ending either, but first season chronically reset all advances Lois and Clark made with each other with the rolling of the credits, and there were some wonderful advances in All Shook Up. It's not surprising that the final episode of the season was one huge reset. >>>Then after Clark saves her life, she barely acknowledges it. This is in *sharp* contrast to the way she makes goo-goo eyes at every other man who saves her life. <<< I agree with this too, it was a dumb depiction of Lois. It's particularly stupid in Requiem for a Superhero when she fawns over Lex for rescuing her. >>After Clark saves her life for the second time that day (and she refuses to believe it), Clark reminds her that he saved her life and she brushes it off--"that was earlier."<<< Well, to be fair to Lois, all she knows of the second rescue is that Clark pushed her down, and moments before the gunshots, there was an engine backfiring. Why *should* Lois believe Clark rescued her a second time? No one on the street seemed disturbed by events, didn't seem to see any *rescue* either. >>(After Barbara (?) called Lois and threatened her, it was back to good ol' Clark to spend the night with him, and as you mentioned, in the end, she let Clark walk her home even though she didn't need a body guard any more.)<<< This scene ties in with another. What overwrites a lot of *exterior* things in this episode, is that it's Clark that Lois turns to. When she's in her apartment and hears a noise outside, she doesn't yell, "Help! Superman!" she gets on the phone to Clark. Then, when Trevino threatens her, Lois goes to Clark. It's still very hard for Lois to admit a very human weakness, a logical one in fact -- fear. She thinks she can handle it on her on, or feels she *should* be able to, but she can't, and I think that often made her feel like she failed in some way. What's great about Clark is that he came to understand this about Lois. By example and his treatment of her, he let her know that it was okay to come to him if she was afraid, that he wasn't going to tease her about it, or turn it into an office joke the next day. >>>16. Foundling: I thought Lois's whole attitude toward the robbery of Clark's apartment was rather insensitive. <<< I don't care much for the Foundling, and not really over any characterization issues, but rather I hoped for some insight into Clark's heritage, but instead it was a rewrite in brief of the Superman movie destruction of Krypton and an excuse to introduce "Jack", our angst-ridden teen >>>18. Vatman: After Clark faces down Superman, Lois seems strangely unappreciative of Clark's bravery. She says incredulously, "...you *challenged* him!" then she brushes it off, "you must be outta your mind."<< The reaction this scene got on the listserv first season when it originally aired was similar to Tempus' "How *dumb* was she?" Lois knows that the guy who flew out the window isn't the real Superman, yet Clark was able to stop him, hm, wonder who Clark really is ;) >>>19. FH: Lois's attitude toward Clark seems scornful throughout. Lois to Clark (sarcastically): "Take it easy! You're not Superman!" Then, "*Superman* would find a way to save us."<<< I'm not a fan of Fly Hard either. Lex actually came out looking more heroic than the *real* hero and that was a *stupid* choice. I get the creeps seeing Lois and Lex all snuggled up. Bleh :P >>>When Clark starts to tend Lex's wound, Perry and Jack help him unquestioningly, but Lois has to say, "Clark, this is no time for voodoo!"<<< Ah, but when Lois has a plan, *Lex* goes along with it "unquestioningly" and Clark is the one who is against it. It evens out, but I still don't like the whole construction of the episode. >>>20 & 21. BATP and HOL: These episodes were quite painful to watch, and offered Clark the greatest insult, although Lois didn't know it. I can't marry you Clark, I just don't feel that way about you--I don't know if I love Lex Luthor, either, but I'll marry him since Superman won't marry me. Huh?<<< I hate most of Lois' characterization near the end of Barbarians at the Planet, and all of it in House of Luthor, and I hate Clark's characterization as well. But, I do think Lois turned Clark down as gently as she could. She wasn't cruel or sneering, she said she did love him, but not romantically. Clark of *all* people should know who Lois loved. He wooed her enough as that rival, what was his name? Oh yeah, Superman Lois *loved* Superman, so how loyal and faithful to that love, to that man would she be if she reciprocated Clark's feelings of love at that point? Clark went to a lot of trouble to make her and everyone else believe he and Superman were two separate people, but then seemed to turn around and punish Lois for loving the wrong one. >>>I loved every minute of this show, and I think Lois's disparaging attitude toward Clark was hilarious, considering who he was. She just "didn't know who she was talking to," did she?<<< I loved every minute of the show too, but loved some parts more than others ;) >>>enjoying this discussion, too. :-)<<< Likewise ;) Zoomway@aol.com (still a TDOLL after all these years, but first season is the toughest challenge ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:08:32 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: cash converters (was re: Fanzine (was Re: A plethera of respo... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-24 05:40:29 EST, jenerator@OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes: << One final word of advice. If you have the option of sending cash as opposed to sending a bank cheque/draft/foreign money order, do so; people who receive any of the latter usually need to deposit them into their bank accounts and wait for them to clear (often up to a month!) and then pay the bank's highest conversion rate to access the money, all of which means that whatever you send would be worth less than if you had sent the same amount of cash. Takes too long and costs too much! (Depends largely on whether or not you trust your local and the recipient's local postal services, I guess.) >> And if you send a wire transfer, most banks now have fees to accept those too... :( --Laure ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:00:49 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: new fanfic: Strange Visitors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I want to say how much I appreciate the comments made by Kate, Wendy, and Vicki. They're helpful and they encourage me to keep writing. :-) I aslo want to thank Laurie and Jeanne for the edits & suggestions that they made --I'm always shocked at what I *don't* see. Vicki wrote << see this idea expanded into a whole series of stories >> and Kate << would love to know more about the world you have created here. >> and Wendy suggested <>. This really was a practice story in writing "shorter" and I hoped I might be able to get away with only an outline sketch of the A plot. Guess not. I'm not sure whether I'll submit this story to the fanfic archive but if I do I'll definitely rework this aspect of it. I don't know about writing more than that. Last fall I started to work on the follow up to 2 stories I wrote last year. I feel now that I'd like to finish that. btw, it wasn't until I was about to hit the send button on the story that I realized the title was the same as the Season 1 episode. How could I have missed that? But the only substitute title that came to mind was "Red Herrings" so, needless to say, I stayed with the original [not too original] title. So thank you again. I'm going back to bed -- I have the flu and I hope this email makes sense. Carol ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:51:29 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: new fanfic: Strange Visitors In-Reply-To: <82E57D16D1D7D111A6B300A0C99B5410041D5611@mainex2.asu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:35:24 -0700 Vicki Krell wrote: > This has to have been the best new fanfic I've read in a while. Carol, thank > you so much! Everything about it was perfect. Wendy, I'm glad that I didn't > read your e-mail until AFTER I had read the story myself. I, too, figured > out partway through the identity of Althea, however, I'm glad I was able to > find out on my own. :-) Oops, sorry!!! I was so excited about the story that I completely forgot that I might have been spoiling the plot for other people! :( Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:03:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Debby wrote: They DID seem to experience a strange sense of de-ja-vu at the end. If Lois discovered something that changed the timeline in a negative fashion, HGW would trace it back. I think that if she HAD seen the CK=Supes card, then she would have noticed what had been in front of her for the past year and a half. Ahh the possibilities. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:15:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Okay, here it is. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=XKONxgfEaCeuvDDctePz1CmY6yR2AVmWUF1sum5LMgB4uVFwYdQrZgGV" --0__=XKONxgfEaCeuvDDctePz1CmY6yR2AVmWUF1sum5LMgB4uVFwYdQrZgGV Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Okay, here it is. Last week I mentioned a fanfic. It is my first ever attempt at fiction. As I promised, I did not use any economics jargon. It may not make any sense because I wrote it at work. Suggestions are welcome. A Bermudan Love Triangle by Joy N Sowell Rated PG Submitted February 1999 __________________ Background and disclaimers: I wrote this in response to the following post: PW wrote: >gives her time off, CK asks what she will do with her free time and she >says she will go to the Bermuda Triangle. CK is really secretly >pleased by that. Fanfic idea about that trip? Then Jessi wrote: >>You know, that was always one of my favorite fanfiction ideas. Lois goes on a cruise of the Bermuda Triangle and of course the ship would have to crash. With a mix of the Bermuda Triangle and Lois, it inevitable. And, knowing Lois, she would have the kryptonite in her possesion at all times, so when Superman goes to rescue her, she's accidentally killing him. Unfortunately, I don't right fanfiction and I've never seen that fanfiction anywhere, so I guess that one will just stay in my head for a while. (Unless one of you fanfiction writers like it. Hint hint.) << A Bermudan Love Triangle Jimmy: (Yelling over to Clark). Hey CK! CK: (Yelling back). Yeah Jimmy? Jimmy: (Approaching CK). Did Lois really go to the Bermuda Triangle? CK: Yep. She called me from the airport this morning with her trip itinerary. Jimmy: How long will she be down there? CK: Just for two days and one night, but don't tell Perry that. Lois figures that if she can't fall into a Pulitzer, or even a Kerth caliber story by then, she's coming home. Jimmy: You miss her, don't you? CK: Is it that obvious? Jimmy: Pa-leeze. Everyone knows that you two have the hots for each other. My question is why don't you two make your relationship known. It's not like there is any rule against Planet employees dating. In fact, the Chief and I have a friendly wager as to when we will receive an announcement, and the office pool has grown to over a grand. CK: Jimmy, I'm going to tell you something that goes no further. Okay? Jimmy: Okay. I can keep a secret. CK: I have loved Lois from the first day I saw her. Jimmy: Well, duh. What's the problem? CK: The problem is that Lois does not feel the same way. Jimmy: Yes, she does. CK: No, she doesn't. She loves someone else. Jimmy: You mean Superman? CK: Yes. Superman. Jimmy: Every woman loves Superman. It's hormonal. But Lois loves you on a deeper level. CK: (Seriously blushing, but because of the former statement, not the latter statement). No she doesn't. Jimmy: Sorry if I embarrassed you, but she does. I can't believe it. She didn't tell you. Did she? CK: Tell me what? Jimmy: How she *really* feels. Oh boy. I shouldn't have said anything. CK: (Grinning). If you value your life, you will tell me. I mean you will tell me EVERYTHING. Jimmy: Okay. It all started when she was getting ready to marry Lex. She was practicing her name. You know, Lois Lane, Lois Luthor, Lois Lane Luthor, and ... CK: AND? Jimmy: And then she said Lois Kent. CK: How do you know that? Jimmy: You know the girl I went out with last week? She was working at the wedding and she overheard it when she went to tell Lois that it was time. She was shocked that Lois would be thinking of someone else when she was preparing to marry the world's third richest man. After Lois said 'I can't', this girl knew that Lex wouldn't be giving her a bonus. When she told me about everything the next day, she thought we just worked together, and she didn't realize that you and Lois are two of my best friends. She called Lois some nasty names, and mentioned some not exactly nice things about your um, personality. I told her that I would not tolerate any one speaking that way about the two of you. I also told her that even if Lois *had* said 'I do', then we still would have stopped the wedding, or Lois would have had the marriage annulled. CK: Lois said I can't? Jimmy: Yes, right before we came in. She must have realized that she would never love Lex. She didn't tell you about that? CK: No, we have avoided that whole topic. Jimmy: Why do you think that Lois does not love you? CK: Because she told me so. She loves Superman, not Clark. Jimmy: CK, you must not refer to yourself in the third person. You meant to say, 'Lois loves Superman and not me.' CK: Okay Mr. English major, why do you say that? Jimmy: Hey, I'm just trying to learn to speak properly. I want the Chief to start giving me assignments other than obituaries. CK: Jimmy? Jimmy: Okay, okay. Lois has never been very good at admitting her feelings. Rumor has it that there was a guy that used to work here before you. His name was Claude. He was here for about a month, and they went out. I don't exactly know what happened between them, but I have a feeling that he refused her advances. She was still kind of new to the Planet herself, so I guess that rejection hurt her more than she realized. She was embarrassed after he left, since she had obviously fallen for him more than he had for her. She knows that Superman is noble, and therefore she feels safe. CK: Jimmy. That helps a lot. Thanks. How did you become so insightful? Jimmy: I take pictures and run errands for a living. I tend to notice things that people do and say without them noticing me. I also watch old videotapes of Santa Barbara. Those soaps are very educational. I've noticed the way Lois watches you when you aren't looking. I also overheard her talking to Lucy about you the first night the Planet was back in business. CK: What did she say? Jimmy: That she's blown it with you. It was late, but I'm sure she had tears in her eyes. However, since you two have been around each other so much since then, I assumed that you two had just had one of your infamous arguments. You two are really not dating? CK: No. But thanks to you, that may be about to change. I have an idea. Jimmy: What can I do? CK: I'm going after her. Tell Perry that I just got a lead on the biggest story of my life. Tell him that I know that it is probably a long shot, but I'll always regret it if I don't check it out. Tell him I'll be back in a week. If everything works out, Lois and I will be back in a few days. If not, we will need time to adjust to everything again. (He writes the name and phone number of a hotel on a piece of paper and hands it to Jimmy). If you don't hear from us by tomorrow, call this hotel. Lois has kryptonite on her, and if there is trouble, Superman may not be around. Jimmy: I'll do that. You really shouldn't worry because Dr. Klein gave me some lead foil. He told me, 'give it to Lois so she will have something in which to wrap the bullet so that it won't harm Superman if he runs into her.' CK: In that case, I'll have Superman fly me down there himself. Thanks a lot Jimmy. You may have just saved my life. Jimmy: (Kidding). Just invite me to the wedding. CK: (Seriously). You can be the best man. Jimmy: (To himself, but out loud after CK leaves). Smooth. (Ten minutes later CK lands, suitcase in hand, spins into Clark clothes, and walks around the hotel where Lois is staying). CK: (To the front desk person). Reservation for Kent. Front desk guy: Room 503, just as you requested. It is an adjoining suite. The guest in the suite next door will be here only through tomorrow afternoon. Here is your key. How long will you be with us? CK: Thanks. It depends. At least through tomorrow afternoon. (CK takes the stairwell, and super speeds to the fifth floor. He then walks to his room. He unpacks his suitcase, and changes into swim trunks and shades. He then heads to the beach where he spotted Lois three minutes earlier. He sees her laid out in a lawn chair sipping a tropical beverage. He quietly puts his towel in the chair next to her. He then goes to get a similar libation. When he returns ten minutes later, Lois has finished her drink and is asleep ). Lois: (Talking in her sleep). Clark, I have to tell you that I lied to you. I really do love you. CK: (He heard this, even without his super hearing. He leans over and brushes his hand across her face, turning it towards him). Me too, but I had my fingers crossed. I love you, too, Lois. Lois: (Waking up, remembering what she dreamed, and why, and being startled at hearing the last sentence he said). Clark? CK: (SMILING). Yes. It's me, Lois. Lois: Hi. I missed you. What are you doing here? CK: I came to tell you that I lied too you. I've only out and out lied to you once, well twice, but the other thing wasn't so much a lie, as an avoidance of the whole truth. I have kicked myself ever since I lied to you. That day when Mr. Stern brought the globe to the Planet, I had my fingers crossed when I said I didn't really love you. Lois, I have loved you from the moment you stormed into Perry's office during my interview. Lois: (Looking into his eyes). Then why did you tell me that you didn't? CK: (Holding her gaze). I had just spent the most miserable couple of weeks of my life without you. I had you back in my life again. I did not want to risk us not being best friends any more. Lois: I realized when I was walking down the isle that I loved you. You were the man with whom I had shared the experiences I was remembering fondly while I headed towards Lex. He told me, I do. I told him, I can't. I could not marry someone whom I did not love, especially when the man I loved, loved me back as well, or so I thought. CK: I have something that I NEED to tell you. Lois: You told me that you loved me. That is all that matters. (She kisses him passionately on the lips). That, and that I love you too. CK: (Breaking off the kiss, albeit reluctantly). Lois, we really do need to talk. I just hope you feel the same way when you hear what I have to tell you. Lois: This is serious then? CK: Yes, very serious. Lois: Okay. We can go up to my room. CK: All right. I guess we should both change. Lois: (Getting up and collecting her things as she speaks). Which room did you reserve? Let me guess. 503? CK: How did you know? Lois: Because I would have done the same thing. (She stands up, admiring him in his swim trunks, as he admires her in her bikini). CK: So, have you been to the triangle yet? Lois: No, I'm taking a breakfast cruise over there tomorrow morning. Would you like to join me? It is supposed to last just less than three hours. CK: Sounds good. I'll race you to your room. Loser buys dinner tonight, at least if you are still speaking to me by then. Lois: Deal. Kent, whatever you did, I'm sure it can't be that bad. I missed talking to you during my engagement to Lex, I don't think that I could ever do that again. (Clark lets Lois think she is way ahead of him before he speeds around the outside of the hotel, flies into his room, spins into the Suit, and waits for Lois in her room). Lois: (Out of breath, but as she unlocks the door she doesn't see Clark). Ha. I win. Superman: Win what Lois? Lois: Oh, hi Superman. Clark and I had a bet. I beat him up here and he now owes me dinner. It's good to see you, but Clark and I really need some time alone. Superman: Lois, sit down, please. (She looks at him strangely, but she does). I've tried to figure out a way to tell you this, but the words don't sound right out loud. Lois: (Interrupting). Stop, Superman. I know I told you I loved you, but-- Superman: Lois, please. Let me say this. Lois: No. I need to say this first. Superman: Okay, just remember I tried to tell you that I--. Lois: I love Clark. I know I told you that I love you, but I've realized that the very things that I love *about* you- your integrity, helpfulness, honesty, and innate goodness are some of the same reasons I *love* Clark. Except with Clark, it goes much deeper. Superman: (Smiling in a very un-Superman like fashion). *LO-IS*. Please, just watch. (He spins into Clark). I've been trying to tell you that I *am* Clark. I have never told anyone about me. My parents know, but they helped me when I decided to do this. Lois: I'm so sorry, Clark. You must have been so hurt when I rejected you as Clark, and then practically threw myself at you as Superman. (He takes her in his arms and hugs her tightly). I should be angry with you for not trusting me enough to tell me, but under the circumstances I understand. Clark: You need to know that I DO trust you. That was never the issue. It is a dangerous secret. I don't want to put you in danger any more often than you find yourself anyway. I also wanted you to love me, Clark, not just the figure of my mother's overactive imagination. Why don't you throw on some clothes, because I believe that YOU owe ME dinner. (He smiles). Lois: Nope. Clark: Nope? Lois: The bet was with Clark, not Superman. If this love triangle thing is going to work we have to keep clear with whom we are speaking. It would not do to have someone overhear a conversation between Lois and Superman, and associate it with a conversation between Lois and Clark. Besides, it is hours till dinner. I only just finished lunch when I saw you. Clark: You are right. Lois: I'm always right. We need to agree on something else though. Clark: What? Lois: That we will consider it cheating to use super powers in bets between Lois and Clark. Clark: Agreed, under one condition. Lois: That would be? Clark: That you do not refer to yourself in the third person. It is weird enough when I have to do it. Lois: (She grins). Agreed. (They seal their agreement with a long kiss, only breaking when Lois needs to come up for air). Why don't we go back to the beach? I want to soak up some sun while I can. (They spend the day lying on the beach, talking, laughing, splashing in the ocean, and in general having a good time). Clark: Since I'm in charge of dinner, where would you like to go? Lois: I would love some authentic Chinese. Clark: How about take out from the same restaurant where I picked up dinner the first night we worked together. Lois: Mmmm. Sounds delicious. You go get dinner, and I'll go inside and take a shower. Clark: I'll be back in about 15 minutes. (He returns in 14 minutes and 30 seconds later to Lois's room as she is getting out of the shower. He has managed to shower and change clothes as well. They have an enjoyable dinner together, learning more about each other. At midnight they say goodnight to each other and share a long kiss. In the morning, they meet at the door between their suites). Clark: Sleep well? Lois: Yes. You? Clark: Much better than I have in ages. Lois: Good. Because you are going to need your energy today. The cruise will take us to the edge of the Bermuda Triangle, and along it for a while. And then back again. One more thing. Clark: What? Lois: Kiss me good morning. (He does as he is told, after all, Superman could not turn down such a reasonable request). One more thing. Clark: (Grinning). Yes. Lois: (Handing him the lead wrapped Kryptonite). Toss this into the sun. I don't want it anywhere near us. (He obliges). (They walk hand in hand down to the dock from where the morning cruise is due to depart singing the theme from Giligan's Island). Clark: Is it really only a three hour cruise? I almost feel like something is bound to come up. With us, it usually does. The boat doesn't exactly look like the USS Luce. Lois: The USS Luce? The aircraft carrier? Clark, this is a breakfast cruise, not the Persian Gulf. Clark: The Professor and Mary Anne probably said something similar. Lois: Clark, their boat was The Minnow, ours is The Yuppie. (The boat's skipper approaches them). Skipper: Actually, ma'am. It's The Guppie. The paint has faded the lettering a bit. Skipper Kelly at your service. If you two are ready, I am. Clark: (To Lois). A private cruise? Lois: (To Clark in a very low voice). I had originally planned to throw the you know what into the ocean, but then when you showed up, I had a better idea. Skipper: You guys ready? Lois & Clark: Yes. Skipper: Okay. Let's go. (Two hours later). Clark: Skipper, shouldn't we be heading back now? Skipper: No, I have other plans for the famous reporting team of Lane and Kent. My mother is a doctor. Her patient is in a coma now, and she thinks that this will bring him out of it. I don't particularly like the man, but he is my father, and my mother loves him. Lois: Who is your mother? What does she want? We are very good friends of Superman. Skipper: Actually, I'm hoping he comes. I have a little present for him. (He points to a metal box, and grins evilly). For the record, my mother is Gretchen Kelly. Clark: I think we are coming in to a bit of bad weather. Skipper: Shut up. What do you know city boy? Lois: *WHAT DO YOU KNOW, SKIPPER?* Clark here, is a farm boy, NOT, a city boy. He has a pretty good sense about these things. If I were you, I'd listen to him. Skipper: Mr. Kent, do you always let your girlfriend here speak for you? Clark: (Putting a supportive arm around Lois). Yes. I always let Lois speak her mind. She is usually right, and even when she isn't, she at least has a valid point. Skipper: This is so touching that I think I want to hurl. Lois: What's stopping you? Clark: Lois, I don't know about you, but a sea sick captain is just a bit too ironic, even for me. Lois: Good point Clark. What exactly DO you want with us, Skipper? Skipper: Revenge for my father. Superman could have saved him, but he chose not to. Clark: Who is your father? Skipper: Lex Luthor. Clark: Lex was you father? Skipper: IS my father. Lois: But I saw him fall to his death. Clark: Me too. Skipper: My mother has him on life support, the prognosis is hopeful. Lois: Hopeful? Now *that* is debatable. Clark: Lois, be nice. Just because the man is a slimy, rotten murderer who never even acknowledged his own son by marrying the boy's mother, doesn't mean that it is debatable that it is hopeful that he may live. Skipper: What do you know; the man has a mind of his own after all. At least Lex wouldn't let some female talk for him. Clark: Yes, Lois, Lex should live. I will personally throw the key away after Superman builds him his own prison. Lois: Lex does not even compare to Clark. Since I happen to know of Lex's aversion to Country music, I think we should arrange for CMT to be pumped into his cell 24-7. Clark: You are brilliant Lois. Remind me never to cross you though. Skipper: Okay, enough you two. You see that boat approaching us? That is my contact. (Clark slugs the guy. Not hard enough to cause brain damage, but hard enough to knock him out. Clark throws the lead box, which probably contains Kryptonite into the sun. Then the boat starts to overturn as the winds pick up). Lois: Clark, DO something. Clark: (Focusing on using his weight, speed, and strength to steady the boat). I'm trying, but I can't exactly fly us out of here because I left my suit at the hotel. Lois: I like you better in a tee shirt and shorts anyway. (The waters calm a bit, allowing Clark a moment to relax). Clark: I have a plan. When the waves pick up again, I'm flying us out of here, suit or no suit. Lois: What about what you just said? Clark: Then the other boat will be close enough to see us capsize, but not close enough to see us fly away, if I go fast enough. My aura should protect you. Let me know if you are uncomfortable though. Lois: How do you know the boat will capsize? Clark: A little bit of super breath goes a long way. Are you ready? Lois: Yes. The sooner we get back to the hotel, the better. Clark: Okay, here goes nothing. (He grabs Lois, rocks the boat, they jump into the ocean, levitating on the surface. Clark gives a few carefully aimed puffs of breath, then the boat tips over. They fly quickly into the sky, out of view of the rapidly approaching boat. Finally, they rest just above a cloud). Lois: Clark, I just thought of something. Those guys will realize that something is suspicious if we beat them back to the hotel. Clark: We will just say that Superman showed up when we hit the water. I think we can safely say that the Kryptonite was lost at sea, if it even ever comes up. Lois: Okay. Let's go back to the hotel. (They do. They land in a deserted part of the beach, and walk up to the front, and then into the elevator to their rooms where they share a brief kiss). Clark: How would you like to spend some time in Smallville? It's early afternoon here, so they will be up and going by now in Kansas. My mom makes the best brownies. Lois: Brownies? How fast can you pack? Clark: Very. Lois: When you are done, you can help me. (The elevator stops, opening up at their rooms. They get out and go to their rooms. They are back at the elevator in two minutes). Clark: While you check out, I'm going to call Jimmy, which I'll explain later. I'll also call mom and dad to let them know we are on our way. And hey, I love you. Lois: I love you too. (Five minutes later she returns as Clark is hanging up the phone.) Clark: Mom just pulled a batch of double chocolate brownies out of the oven. Lois: Yum. What did Jimmy have to say? Clark: That he was glad that we were safe and that he'd see us at the end of your vacation. I didn't tell him about us. I thought we should do that together. I just told him that we have a lead on a story. Lois: (Grinning). Well, the sooner you check out the sooner we will get to those brownies, I mean Smallville. Clark: (Grinning). You are incorrigible, Lois. Lois: And you love me for it. Clark: Yes, I do. (He kisses her to show her just how much). (Thirty minutes later, they land in Smallville). Clark: Lois, are you ready for this? Lois: For what? Clark, your parents are great. Martha and Jonathan are NOT the Spanish Inquisition. Clark: I've never brought a girlfriend home that was anything more than a friend. I don't know what they'll say. Lois: Never? Not even in college? Clark: No, you are the first. Lois: I'm honored. Clark: (Yelling to the house as they approach it). Mom, Dad, we're here. (Martha and Jonathan come out the door and envelop Clark in a big hug. Martha and Jonathan then turn to include Lois as well). Martha: Clark! Lois! It is so good to see you again. Jonathan: Welcome back, son! Lois, I'm glad to see you again too! Martha: Why don't we go inside and have some brownies? Lois: Now you're talking. (They go inside and enjoy some good conversation and some great brownies. As they clear the table, the conversation turns to sleeping arrangements). Martha: I'm assuming that you will want the couch tonight, Clark? Lois: I doubt the boy scout in him would have it any other way Martha. (Now teasing). No matter how much you and I try to tell him otherwise. Jonathan: Martha, we raised a fine son. Martha: Jonathan, we better get to the store before they close. You need that tractor part before tomorrow's harvesting begins. Jonathan: Make yourselves comfortable, you two. We'll be back before dinner. (Martha and Jonathan leave). Clark: Lois, wait right here. (He runs upstairs to get something and then returns). Lois, I knew from the first moment I saw you that you would be the only one for me. I don't want to rush you, but I want to let you know how I feel. (He takes a deep breath, and then lets it out slowly). Will you marry me? Lois: Yes, Clark. I will marry you. Clark: (Grabbing her for a quick kiss before releasing her). You're sure? Lois: Yes, of course I'm sure. I admit that the whole idea of marriage is a bit scary, but the thought of NOT spending the rest of my life with you terrifies me. Clark: In that case, this is for you. (He pulls a beautiful diamond ring out of his pocket and puts it on her finger). Lois: Oh, Clark. It's beautiful. Clark: I bought it the day that we found out that Stern bought the Planet. I knew that I'd be able to give it to you one day. When Jimmy and I talked yesterday morning I didn't even think that you would say yes so soon. Lois: What exactly did Jimmy tell you? Clark: (He told her the story that Jimmy told him). I guess we should decide how to tell everyone. Lois: I think we should call Perry and Jimmy to tell them. We just need to make sure to tell them that they are not to tell anyone else. We will just wait and see how long it takes for everyone else to notice. We will tell your parents after dinner, if they don't figure it out before then. Clark: We'll call Perry and Jimmy after dinner. There is something that I want to show you first. Do you remember the globe from Superman's ship? Lois: You have it here? Clark: Yes. I want you to see it. It's important to understand my past, in order to share my future. Lois: I'm touched. Clark, you have given me so much. What did I ever do to deserve you? Clark: You said yes. (He touches her cheek then turns her face up to his where he kisses her gently. They walk to the tree house, and then he floats them up. They talk about Krypton, their future, and even a story about Lex's supposed resurrection. They came down only when Clark heard his parents' truck coming down the road). (During dinner, Lois pours herself another glass of tea, when Martha notices the ring). Martha: Um, Lois? Do you and Clark have something to tell us? (She stares at the ring causing Jonathan to notice it too). Jonathan: It's about time son. (Later that night, after many congratulations, and preliminary wedding plans, Martha and Jonathan say goodnight as Lois and Clark start a movie. Clark promises his dad that he will sleep on the couch). Clark: I think we should call Perry and Jimmy tomorrow. Lois: I agree. I would much rather watch a movie with my fianc --0__=XKONxgfEaCeuvDDctePz1CmY6yR2AVmWUF1sum5LMgB4uVFwYdQrZgGV Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =E9 than listen to an Elvis story. Clark, you promised your dad that you would sleep on t= he couch, but I never promised where I would sleep. Clark: Lois! Lois: Clark, I just thought that it would be nice to fall asleep in yo= u arms and not have to get up in the middle of the night to go to bed alone. Clark: For a mad dog, you are a softie. Lois: Just remember, I like to be on top. Clark: I remember. (They enjoy watching When Harry Met Sally, both laughing and wincing at= the similarities between Harry and Sally and themselves). Clark: I say we turn of the lights and the television and get some sle= ep. It is going to be a long day tomorrow. Lois: I like the way you think farm boy. By the way, I'm glad you fel= l for me. Clark: (He reached for the remote to turn off the t.v. and he turned o= f the couch side lamp). Lois, sweetheart, I had already fallen for you way before you said that. Lois: I've never been anyone's sweetheart before. I think I actually = like it. (She kisses him passionately. She pulls back slightly when she starts = to realizes the effect she is having on Clark). Clark, if we don't stop n= ow, we won't be able to. At least, I won't, and all evidence points in the sa= me direction for you). Clark: You are right. Our time in The Bermuda Triangle must have done= more to us than we thought. We've both heard the stories about the strange occ= urrences there. I guess for us, it was more of an inhibitor lifter than anythin= g else. (Grin). Right now, I'm having some very un-Supermanly thoughts. Lois: That is because right now you are Clark, my fianc=E9, not Superm= an, hero to the world. The mysteries of the Bermuda Triangle are nothing compared = to a day in the life of the Lois-Clark-Superman triangle. Clark: I love you. Goodnight. Lois: I love you too. Goodnight. (She settles in against his chest a= nd they both promptly fall asleep). (5:00 the next morning Martha and Jonathan notice their son and soon t= o be daughter-in-law asleep on the couch. They smile at the sight at begin = their morning routine. Three hours later the happy couple wakes up). Clark: Good morning Lois. (He kisses her lightly on the lips). Lois: Mmmm. Yes, it is. Martha: (Who entered the room as this happened). I'm glad you two are= up. Clark, why don't you get your shower, and then when you are done, Lois = and I will have your coffee ready. (He speeds to the bathroom, showers, and = speeds back dressed in a tee shirt and jeans, in less than three minutes). Lois: Wow. Martha, I don't think I'm ever going to get over that; I j= ust hope he doesn't do everything that fast. Martha: You mean you haven't...? Lois: No, we decided to wait until our honeymoon. It had better be a = short engagement. Clark: I am in the room, you know. Martha: Yes, dear. Now you can fix breakfast for Lois while she gets = her shower. Lois: Thanks Martha. (She leaves to get her shower). Martha: Anytime. Now hurry. We have a lot to do today. Clark: Mom? Martha: What is it, Clark? Clark: Well, it's kind of personal, but I know that I can talk to you = and dad about anything. Right? Martha: Of course you can. Clark: (Taking a deep breath). Did I mature as a normal boy, a human = boy? I mean did I grow at the right times, learn to walk and talk at the right= times? That sort of stuff. Martha: Yes, why? Clark: If Lois and I are ever able to have kids I'd kind of like to kn= ow what to expect. Martha: Every child is different. But, based off of your childhood, i= f you *can* have kids, they should mature in the same way as their peers. (Fifteen minutes later, Lois appears in a tank top and jeans, a little = make up, and damp hair). Lois: What's for breakfast? Clark: Coffee, grapefruit, and a croissant fresh from France. Are you= ready to call Perry and Jimmy? Lois: Yes. Hand me the phone. (He does, and they call the Daily Plan= et). Jimmy: Daily Planet. Lois: Hi Jimmy. Clark told me about the office pool on how long it ta= ke for us to get together. Jimmy, I want you to transfer me to Perry's office, g= o in there with him, and close the door. Then pick up the phone. (He does = that). Jimmy, is the door closed? Jimmy: (Somewhat nervous). Yes. Lois: Put me on speaker phone. Jimmy: Sorry, Lois, we really did not mean to pry. We were just havin= g a little fun. Right, Chief? Perry: Go easy on the kid, Lois. Lois: Who had what dates in the pool? Perry: (He told them. Perry and Jimmy had the same day, about a week = from now). Lois, why? Lois: Now, since there appears to be a tie, who wants to know how I pl= an to break the tie? Perry: You mean you two are an item now, officially? Lois: In a manner of speaking. I know that you hate to keep news to y= ourself Perry, but you will have to keep this next thing a secret. Perry: Lois, you scare me sometimes. Clark: I'd listen to her, Chief. Perry: Okay, we promise. Lois and Clark: We're engaged! Jimmy: That's great. Congratulations, you two. Perry: That's the best news I've heard since the Planet has been reded= icated. Congratulations. Lois: Remember, not a word. To anyone. (Click). Clark: Maybe we should drop by and make out in the newsroom this after= noon. That way, no one wins the bet. Lois: I think we should go now. Besides, we can work on our story bet= ter in Metropolis. (They say goodbye to Martha and Jonathan. They promise to= call later to discuss the wedding plans). (Three days later, they find Gretchen Kelly, Lex, and the Skipper in a mausoleum = --0__=XKONxgfEaCeuvDDctePz1CmY6yR2AVmWUF1sum5LMgB4uVFwYdQrZgGV Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline fronted lab. They write the story that will earn them their first joint Kerth). The End --0__=XKONxgfEaCeuvDDctePz1CmY6yR2AVmWUF1sum5LMgB4uVFwYdQrZgGV-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:27:54 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sue Modolo Subject: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain > > >I don't know whether or not any of you guys are aware of this, but >someone has decided to start a campaign to get one of the US network to >run a TV movie to wrap up the 5th season of LNC. > >Take a look at their website and add your name to the petition - > >http://www.angelfire.com/mi/LoisandClark >__________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:03:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Okay, here it is. In-Reply-To: <85256722.0054B116.00@MetMtaG2.metlife.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Okay, here it is. Last week I mentioned a fanfic. It is my first ever >attempt >at fiction. As I promised, I did not use any economics jargon. It may >not make >any sense because I wrote it at work. Suggestions are welcome. > >A Bermudan Love Triangle >by Joy N Sowell >Rated PG >Submitted February 1999 > >__________________ > >Background and disclaimers: I wrote this in response to the following post: > >PW wrote: >>gives her time off, CK asks what she will do with her free time and she >>says she will go to the Bermuda Triangle. CK is really secretly >>pleased by that. Fanfic idea about that trip? > >Then Jessi wrote: >>>You know, that was always one of my favorite fanfiction ideas. Lois >goes on a cruise of the Bermuda Triangle and of course the ship would >have to crash. With a mix of the Bermuda Triangle and Lois, it >inevitable. And, knowing Lois, she would have the kryptonite in her >possesion at all times, so when Superman goes to rescue her, she's >accidentally killing him. Unfortunately, I don't right fanfiction and >I've never seen that fanfiction anywhere, so I guess that one will just >stay in my head for a while. (Unless one of you fanfiction writers like >it. Hint hint.) << > Joy: I am completely thrilled that something that started in an episode thoughts post actually came to fruition!!!!!!!! I will take it home and read it.:) Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:15:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Okay, here it is. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Carolyn wrote: Thanks. However it is kinda cheesy. Consider yourself warned. :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:37:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Touching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Ok, I admit it, I >took him back before Prom ... but we broke up again right after graduation. >) ROTFL! I was wondering if this anecdote would turn out to be more personal than it sounded at first! Peggy gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:10:21 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain > >At 06:19 AM 2/23/1999 -0800, you wrote: >>Supergirl wrote: >> >>>I have a fanfic writing problem. I'm doing a what-if story about >>"Tempus Fugitive" where Lois sees the 'CLARK IS SUPERMAN' card instead of Clark tearing it up and then the plot begins. The problem is, should H.G. come back and fix it or not? Or should L&C stay the same way again? >> >>I think it should be alittle of both. Let Clark sweat it out awhile and then give him the idea of contacting H.G. Wells to fix it. But that is just IMHO. Thanks for listening!! >> >>Annobelle > >But how would he know? He'd have to remember the original adventure, and HGW arranged for CK's & LL's memories to be clouded. You'll have to uncloud CK (not easy, I know...) ***** If I remember correctly, CK's memory was still intact, but maybe Lois could slip up somehow, maybe on the phone talking to Martha about and Clark overhears??? I just think it would be a fun way to approace it?!?!?! Annobelle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:19:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Annobelle wrote: Especially if the only way he could over hear it was with super hearing, OR, because he was in Smallville. Either way, he's busted. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:18:59 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten In-Reply-To: <19990224171022.13319.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:10:21 PST Anne Simmonds wrote: > If I remember correctly, CK's memory was still intact [snip] My understanding of that scene was that initially he seemed to remember; he looked puzzled and said to Lois, 'Didn't we do all this before?' (or words to that effect), but then shook his head as if he couldn't quite remember what it was which was bothering him. So I think that apart from that first slight feeling of deja-vu, Clark didn't remember. And, IMHO, if he *had* remembered it would have given him the impetus to tell Lois his secret sooner, given that he would have remembered how good it felt to have her knowing! Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:21:44 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten In-Reply-To: <19990224171022.13319.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:10:21 PST Anne Simmonds wrote: > If I remember correctly, CK's memory was still intact [snip] My understanding of that scene was that initially he seemed to remember; he looked puzzled and said to Lois, 'Didn't we do all this before?' (or words to that effect), but then shook his head as if he couldn't quite remember what it was which was bothering him. So I think that apart from that first slight feeling of deja-vu, Clark didn't remember. And, IMHO, if he *had* remembered it would have given him the impetus to tell Lois his secret sooner, given that he would have remembered how good it felt to have her in on it! Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:27:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wendy wrote: Especially since she got over her initial reaction pretty easily, by that I mean real time, not the 100 some odd years of time travel. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:16:58 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Good for you, Zoomway. There have to be TDOLLS. The whole point was that they were perfect for each other because they complemented each other. If they were both Lois it there would have been nuclear fallout, but if they were both like Clark nothing would have ever happened. It's all the way you read Lois. He read her right most of the time, but everyone messes up. By reading I mean, seeing the action or words as indications of the inner state, not the action/word itself. Okay, can you tell I'm in psych? Sorry. Rachel rtenha@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:50:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rachel wrote: Great point. If they were both like Clark they would still be doing the dating-but-not-really thing. You know, I'll bring the dinner, you bring the videos, and if they were both like Lois they would have hooked up in Pheremone My Lovely, and subsequently broken up when the compound wore off. Tempers would have flared, insults would have flown, and it would have been WWW III at the Planet. Of course the treaty, er, making up would have been fun. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:52:32 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Petra S." Subject: Re: cash converters (was re: Fanzine) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jenny wrote: > My experience (from an Aussie POV) from the last two years' worth of > selling L&C Showbags to FoLCs was that if I had cash, I could convert it at > Thomas Cook (a local travel agent) for only $4 per conversion (although if > I was converting large amounts they charged $4.75, I think). My memory was > that banks charged something like $10.00; however I recently had a small > amount of US cash to convert, and couldn't get to the Thomas Cook, so I > went to the bank next door to work, and they only charged me $5, so I don't > know whether it would be worth my efforts to get to Thomas Cook any more. Just a few words concerning the money transfer - also on behalf of Nicky who opened the donation account over here in Germany. As I'm an international banker, I kind of discussed this issue with Nicky and Eileen (hi Eileen :-) ) last year when it first came up. Wendy already mentioned collecting the funds of the UK FoLCs on one account. That's a really good idea and definitely the least expensive way to transfer the donations from the UK to Germany. If it is possible to send only *one* payment, the bank charges only apply once. Say, the UK bank will charge their customer and the german bank will charge Nicky. Speaking of charges: for payments within the European Community for an amount up to GBP 1,700/DEM 5,000/USD 2,900 there's an arrangement between the european banks to charge less than they normally do. For most of the UK banks that would probably be about 7 Pounds. Just ask your banker for something like an 'Euro-Mass-Payment'. So, if you could manage to collect the money before sending it to the donation account Nicky set up, most of the donation will go to the FoLC in need and not to the banks (who are definitely *not* in need ;-) ). Oh and don't worry about changing Sterling into Deutsch Marks! Just send Sterling, it will be converted over here. Hope this helps :-) Back to lurking now ;-) see ya Pitty AKA KiwiPit on IRC "What you need is something I have neither the time nor the inclanation to give you." "Oh! And just what is that?" "Two weeks with a good man at Niagara Falls." * * * * * * * * * * * * take care! * * * * * * * * * * * * mail to: petrast@gmx.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:53:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:18 PM 2/24/99 +0000, Wendy Richards wrote: >My understanding of that scene was that initially he seemed to >remember; he looked puzzled and said to Lois, 'Didn't we do all this >before?' (or words to that effect), but then shook his head as if he >couldn't quite remember what it was which was bothering him. So I >think that apart from that first slight feeling of deja-vu, Clark >didn't remember. Also, by the time of their honeymoon, Clark certainly didn't remember the first trip. He didn't recognize HG Wells when he (Mr. Wells) came to prevent L&C consumating their wedding, and Clark had to be told the story of the first trip before he (like Lois) recalled it. Sheila sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:53:37 -1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6A8C866EDDCBC798C03E787C" --------------6A8C866EDDCBC798C03E787C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sue Modolo wrote: > >>>I don't know whether or not any of you guys are aware of this, > but > >someone has decided to start a campaign to get one of the US > network > to > >run a TV movie to wrap up the 5th season of LNC. > > > >Take a look at their website and add your name to the petition - > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/mi/LoisandClark<< I went to this and the Angelfire site said that they couldn't find it? Anybody else see it? jme --------------6A8C866EDDCBC798C03E787C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sue Modolo wrote: I went to this and the Angelfire site said that they couldn't find it? Anybody else see it?

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  --------------6A8C866EDDCBC798C03E787C-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:44:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jamee wrote: <> Me neither, I thought it was just me. Let me know if anyone else finds it. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:40:51 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: 1999 KERTH FINALISTS! Comments: cc: lnc list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey everyone! Yes, the 1999 Lois & Clark Fanfic Kerth Awards nominees are finally ready! But before I list them, I'd like to send out a huge *thank you* to everyone who sent in your nominations, and to all those terrific fanfic writers who have written such great stories for us fans to read this past year. We couldn't have done this list without you! ;) My best advice to all you FoLCs is to get started reading all these terrific finalists! Voting will open a week from Saturday and will go for two weeks. Those dates are: Saturday, March 6th through Sunday, March 21st. More on the voting process is already posted on my Kerths website: www.ida.net/users/davek. Be sure to check there for important URLs, information and updates. As for where to go to read the following stories: Genevieve Clemens has very generously offered to put all the Kerth nominees on her website just like she did last year, and all the nominated stories can be accessed through her website. One stop reading, so to speak. Her URL is: http://www.erols.com/nightsky/ IMPORTANT!! If you go there and the list of nominees isn't up yet, please be patient! I just barely gave Genevieve the list of nominees, so it may take her a few days or so to update everything. After all, us FoLCs *do* have a life outside of FoLCdome, you know. Now that all that's been said, let's get on with the list of 1999 Kerth finalists! _______________________________ BEST COMEDY: Three Capes to the Wind (IRC Round Robin) Is He or Is He Not? by Bella Commercial Break by Ellen Garnett and Debby Stark The New Bed by Audrey Rempel Couch Potatoes by Phil Atcliffe BEST VIGNETTE/SHORT STORY: The Last Goodbye by Pam Jernigan It's Genetic by Misha Where Oh Where Do Supes' Clothes Go? by Erin Klingler Lois Says (1&2) by Chris Mulder A Night for Healing by Ultracape BEST WAFFY STORY: Much Ado About... by Phil Atcliffe Lois Says (1&2) by Chris Mulder A Whole New World (IRC Round Robin) In the Grand Circle of Life by Crystal Wimmer Moonlight on the Potomac (IRC Round Robin) BEST DRAMATIC STORY: The Huntress' Revenge by Jenni Debbage The Darkness Within by Lyds Yet Each Man Kills by Genevieve Clemens Fear of the Unknown by Yvonne Connell Disquiet Nights by Susan VanCott BEST REVELATION: What it Means to Love You by Erin Klingler Montrose's Toast by Phil Atcliffe Recognition (Truth) by CCMalo Identity Crisis by Wendy Richards Great Shades of Mayson by Susan Schwartz BEST ELSEWORLD STORY: Only You Series by Margaret Brignell Then Came You/Two Become One by Jeff Brogden The Darkness Within by Lyds Through the Looking Glass by Kathy Brown Bureau 39 by Joan (aka) dmj BEST EPISODE ADAPTATION: That Super Man of Mine by Wendy Richards A Night Alone by Crystal Wimmer A World Without a Superman (IRC Round Robin) Tomorrow's Past by Karen Ward The True & Amazing Adventures of Wanda Detroit by Nekanuq ORIGINAL PREMISE: Cruise Control by Zoomway Recognition (Truth & Justice) by CCMalo On the Run by Plan9Lives In a Child’s Name by Delaney Much Ado About... by Phil Atcliffe BEST S5/6 EPISODE: It's Time by Pam Jernigan Strained Relations/For the Good of the Child by Chris Mulder, Pam Jernigan, and Barb Charity Begins at Home by Sandy McDermin Through the Looking Glass by Kathy Brown Oh Give Me a Home by Jeff Brogden BEST TUFS: Full Circle: A New Day (various TUFS authors) Then Came You/Two Become One by Jeff Brogden Stranger Things Have Happened by Julie Mack Forever and Ever, Amen by Linda Mooney Yet Each Man Kills by Genevieve Clemens BEST VILLAIN STORY: The Huntress' Revenge by Jenni Debbage Hickory Mxyery Dock (IRC Round Robin) Oh Give Me a Home by Jeff Brogden It's a Wonderful LIfetime by Cindy & anonymous For the Good of the Child by Chris Mulder BEST NEXT GEN/EARLY YEARS: Full Circle by Crystal Wimmer My Adventures With Superman by Kathryn Ann Kent A Love So Long in the Making by Wendy Richards Not a Part of the Stars by Donna Hafner Perfectly Not Normal by Molly BEST SERIES: Dawning (chapters 20, 21, 22) by Debby Stark Only You series by Margaret Brignell The SoulMates Chronicles (IRC Round Robin) Recognition (Truth & Justice) by CCMalo On the Run by Plan9Lives BEST ROUND ROBIN: Three Capes to the Wind Moonlight on the Potomac The SoulMates Chronicles: The Tai Cooking With the Kents A World Without a Superman BEST NEW AUTHOR: Wendy Richards CCMalo Yvonne Connell Jenni Debbage Delaney Crystal Wimmer BEST OVERALL FIC: Full Circle by Crystal Wimmer What it Means to Love You by Erin Klingler In a Child’s Name by Delaney Only You series by Margaret Brignell The True and Amazing Adventures of Wanda Detroit by Nekanuq __________________________________ Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:07:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Touching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Celia Carvalho Their working environment is also >informal and that makes it easier for people to be themselves. > >I work in a place like that and that's one of the reasons why I like to work >here so much. When I'm stressing and tired, I have some male (and female, too) >co-workers who come and rub my shoulders. I don't think that I'm being sexually >harrassed when they do it. And we have the habit to greet in the morning with >two kisses on the cheek. But that's how Portuguese people are...! We are always >kissing at every opportunity we get...! I know that this isn't a habit or usual >in other countries and especially not at work. Your response and the responses of others show just how customs vary in different cultures. It's been interesting to see the number of people who have seen this kind of demonstrative behavior at work. I have one question, though, for all you FOLC's who live/work in environments where touching is more common; is it common for people to touch each other on the chest? That is the part of Lois's behavior that really startled me. Touching the arm, shoulder, back, even hugging--yes, I've seen some of that in offices (although not as much as LL did it!), but I've never seen a woman touch a man's chest the way she did. One scene that stands out is LL massaging CK's chest in Strange Visitor from Another Planet, although there are many, many other times when she patted him on the chest. Peggy, who was once reprimanded for sitting with her legs drawn up on the chair beside her. (And, no, our office was not open to the public, and no, I wasn't wearing a dress!) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:16:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peggy wrote: I've seen it in my office. Of course, the couples involved were married. I've also seen people poking each other in a teasing manner that aer not married. Because my desk is towards the back, I often prop my feet on the desk, even in a skirt. Afterall, i need to be comfortable while I'm reading the great comments on this list and the various fanfics. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:25:07 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: A Tempus Unforgotten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable And in Tempus Anyone? Clark saw Tempus being put in the police car and di= dn't recognize him either except for a vague sense of d=E9j=E0 vu. So he would= have had to be unclouded. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:47:43 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/24/99 5:07:27 PM Central Standard Time, gremlino@PATHWAY.NET writes: << I have one question, though, for all you FOLC's who live/work in environments where touching is more common; is it common for people to touch each other on the chest? That is the part of Lois's behavior that really startled me. Touching the arm, shoulder, back, even hugging--yes, I've seen some of that in offices (although not as much as LL did it!), but I've never seen a woman touch a man's chest the way she did. One scene that stands out is LL massaging CK's chest in Strange Visitor from Another Planet, although there are many, many other times when she patted him on the chest. >> You're right. Lois touching Clark's chest, and she did that a *lot*, was a fairly unusual tactile maneuver in TV land. Even acknowledging his chest is very touchable There was something cosmic about it too, considering she'd often be placing her hand over the "S" on his chest and not even know it. In a great many of the scripts, there aren't often directions given for Lois or Clark to touch the other. Now whether Dean and Teri ... improvised, or the director instructed them to touch, who knows ;) Deborah Joy LeVine said the words "they kiss" were all that was written in a script as a direction (I'm assuming this was Strange Visitor where Lois asks to kiss Clark good-bye) and she was a bit stunned by how Dean and Teri interpreted that simple script direction. She said "they were *so* passionate!" Dean and Teri looked bemused and even a little embarrassed when LeVine made her comment. This show has some very inventive tactile moments, most of which were initiated by Teri. Dean did have his trademark cheek touch, but Teri, along with various chest touches, fondles and slaps, gave Dean an inner thigh rub in Through a Glass Darkly, reached inside his jacket and rubbed his side, in Ultra Woman, which also is the episode that had Lois kissing Clark's razor nick and kissing the palm of his hand, and dragging her lower lip across his palm. That seemed to rob Dean of almost all oxygen She also seemed to drape over him from behind while he was seated, and rubbing or touching his chest. She even did that as early as first season in The Foundling when she gave him a massage ;) As for office comportment and decorum at the Daily Planet, all I had to do was see Cat Grant's wardrobe to know things were pretty lax there ;) Not to mention Lois showing up in a cocktail waitress outfit and in cammo fatigues and Clark dressed as an Army captain Zoomway@aol.com (then there was the day Clark showed up in that great black Kal-El suit and Lois as a concubine ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:02:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) (was Re: Touching) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ann said: >After reading all these examples of Lois's snide, sarcastic, or just plain not >nice remarks to Clark, the thought has occurred to me that she is >subconsciously trying to keep him at arm's length. She is definitely afraid >of being close to people, and as the pheromone spray showed her, she is >attracted to Clark. I think she is afraid if he got to know her, he wouldn't >like her and so she may be trying to protect herself from hurt and rejection >by doing it first. > Yes! This is exactly the POV presented by Zoomway in some of her fanfics, like "Wheels of Justice," the sequel to "You Made Me Love You." Lois has been hurt by relationships in the past and is consequently too afraid of involvement to risk entering into another one (are all those locks on her door just a sign of urban angst, or are they symbolic of her attitude toward the world in general and men in particular?) Since she is so afraid of a relationship, she becomes infatuated with Superman, perhaps because he's unattainable and therefore will never be able to hurt her, or perhaps because she endows him with the qualities of an impossibly perfect human being (this is also explored in Wendy Richards' "The House of...Lane.") I love this portrait of LL, maybe because it's so romantic , or maybe because some things in the series (after watching the re-runs several times) seem to support it. But this is *not* the picture of LL that I got from watching the show the first time! I saw a spoiled, childish, arrogant woman who was exactly what CK called her in the Premiere--a snob. Clark was the geek with the crush on the head cheerleader; she was the pretty co-ed who wanted to go out with the quarterback, Superman, or, when she got out of school, the highly successful businessman, Lex Luthor. My impression the first time I watched the show was that Lois thought CK just wasn't good enough for her, and she kept comparing him unfavorably to Superman either because she was warning him (don't fall for me, Farmboy, Superman's the only one who has a chance with me), or because she was insensitive to his feelings--or anyone's feelings. I'll admit that I was influenced in my unfavorable opinion of Lois's behavior by the conviction that the love "triangle" part of the story was an adaptation of the love triangle in the novel "Gone with the Wind," and seeing the heroine of that story in LL prejudiced me against her. (I detested Scarlett O' Hara when I read the novel in high school, and although I later changed my mind somewhat, my first impression stuck with me...) I like the fanfic writers' explanations of her behavior better than my own initial interpretation. But no matter what Lois's motives, she was fun to watch! I really missed her snide comments and catty remarks in later episodes of the show. And I think that Lois's putdowns encouraged Clark, too, because although he was the Clark she was disparaging, he was also the Superman she was idolizing. When she tried to deflate Clark by praising Superman, she was unknowingly praising Clark, also. For example, when she told Clark that Superman was the "finest figure of a man" she had ever seen, she may have thought that she was putting him in his place, but she was really paying him a great compliment. Likewise the many other times that she expressed confidence in Superman, to Clark's detriment. Can you imagine the havoc this wreaked with Clark's emotions, though? To receive such adulation and such disparagement, such encouragement and, at the same time, such rejection, from the same woman! No wonder the poor fellow was mad for her! Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:04:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ROTFL at your post! Zoomway wrote: >This view of Lois' behavior and treatment of Clark was actually the majority >opinion on this list and elsewhere in cyber space as 1rst season was airing >for the first time ;) This really surprises me; the fanfiction generally shows a more sympathetic portrait of Lois than I garnered from watching the show. Zoomway: >Part of the problem is that Lois had no sounding board. I couldn't agree more! The story was told from Clark's POV; we get to see his fears, problems, insecurities, and pain, but we never hear Lois's side of the story. Zoomway: >Teasing was standard operating procedure first season when it came to Lois' >character. "Poor, Lois. All work and no personality" Lois reaching into a >trash can gets the response, "Looking for your career, Lois?" On the other >hand, if Lois put someone down, it wasn't seen as funny, but rather >mean or sarcastic. I did see Cat's and Linda King's comments as funny--but actually, I also saw them as mean. I put both Cat and Linda in the same category as Lois--funny for us to watch on television, but possibly unpleasant to deal with in real life. I wouldn't want Lois's desk next to mine in the office--or Cat's or Linda's, either. But it was primarily Lois's snide remarks to Clark, who was deserving of much better treatment (as she eventually realized), that make me characterize her as "mean." Peggy: >>>>. IGACOY: ... I sided with Clark in getting Lois out of the >club--her cover was blown--bigtime!)<<< > Zoomway: >Ah, the recycled Moonlighting script Lois' cover was blown big time all >right, by *Clark!!!* I disagree--it was Lex Luthor seeing and recognizing Lois that blew Lois's cover, although Lois refused to believe it. Clark knew who--and what-- Lex was, and he strongly believed that Lois was in danger from Lex. Her reasoning that Lex was a friend of hers didn't hold water with him; he felt that she was in danger (and how much more strongly he would have believed that if he had known that Lex had been intimate with Toni Baines before he had her blown to smithereens! :( ) Other parts of this episode bothered me, however. Clark slapping Lois on the derriere seemed so out of character for him that I stepped outside the L&C fantasy world and called the whole thing a writer/producer error. (You see what a CK fanatic I am; when he does something I don't like, I just deny that he ever did it. ;-) ) BTW, what do you mean by "recycled Moonlighting script?" Zoomway: >As I recall, Clark is the one who made Lois tip the bellhop in Honeymoon in >Metropolis, even rolling his hand signaling her to give more Okay, okay, you're right. Peggy: >>>>11. HIM: Lois doesn't want to let Clark use the bed. This seems rude to me Zoomway: >It's weird though, I even have trouble imagining Clark wanting to >stick Lois with the sofa. It just seemed a bit out of character to me. I think CK was just trying to give LL a hard time in this one--part of that bantering relationship they had by that time. Any other interpretation would be, as you say, out of character. (See, I can always find some excuse for his behavior! ) Zoomway: >I hate most of Lois' characterization near the end of Barbarians at the >Planet, and all of it in House of Luthor, and I hate Clark's characterization >as well. But, I do think Lois turned Clark down as gently as she could. She >wasn't cruel or sneering, she said she did love him, but not romantically. I agree that Lois turned Clark down gently; she handled an awkward situation beautifully. It was her acceptance of LL that ragged on me so much the first time I watched the show. If she loved Superman, why did she accept Lex? And why did independent career woman Lois Lane need to marry at all? Eventually I came to believe, though, that the writers were trying to show how Lex, the master manipulator, waged a campaign against Lois to isolate, psychologically batter, and confuse her, but it didn't come across very well, particularly in light of how she was portrayed throughout the first season. Lex Luthor was obviously well versed in techniques of coercive persuasion, and he didn't scruple to use them, even in securing a wife. These are two episodes where it would have been most beneficial for us to take a peek inside Lois's head, but as usual, it is only CK's POV that is presented. :-( Zoomway: >(still a TDOLL after all these years, but first season is the toughest challenge ;) I loved first-season Lois Lane--quick-tempered, impetuous, self-centered, insensitive Mad Dog Lane; and I really missed her when she was replaced by that woman so strangely lacking in self-confidence who cried that she'd never be the kind of wife CK wanted. The first Lois was a lot more fun! Thanks for a hilarious post. :-D Peggy, :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:07:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Zoomway wrote: Okay, I know I stretch "professional attire" a bit. (I figure that a miniskirt that only reaches to 6 inches above my knee is appropriate in the summer, if I'm not with a client), but even *I've* never worn a cocktail outfit nor a concubine outfit to work, at my current office that is. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:11:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Touching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zoomway@aol.com wrote: >As for office comportment and decorum at the Daily Planet, all I had to do was >see Cat Grant's wardrobe to know things were pretty lax there ;) LOL! Good point! Peggy gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:58:42 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: new fanfic: Strange Visitors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Don't apologize Wendy. I'm pleased you liked the story!! Carol ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:19:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Touching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zoomway wrote: >Deborah Joy LeVine said the >words "they kiss" were all that was written in a script as a direction (I'm >assuming this was Strange Visitor where Lois asks to kiss Clark good-bye) and >she was a bit stunned by how Dean and Teri interpreted that simple script >direction. She said "they were *so* passionate!" I loved that kiss! Although I felt sorry for Clark--he must have been so disappointed to learn that it was just a ruse! I think the poor guy was on an emotional roller coaster with Lois throughout much of the first season...and second season...and third season... Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:13:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: 1999 KERTH FINALISTS! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:40 PM 2/24/1999 -0700, you wrote: >BEST SERIES: >Dawning (chapters 20, 21, 22) by Debby Stark Thank you everyone who nominated my stories. However, with this note I hearby formally withdraw my name and stories from consideration for voting in the 1999 Kerth Awards. This applies only to stories of which I was the only author. Debby Stark Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:19:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peggy wrote: Yes!! I bet he loved that roller coaster ride though. Maybe as much as he did that kiss. :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:28:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Touching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joy wrote: >Okay, I know I stretch "professional attire" a bit. (I figure that a miniskirt >that only reaches to 6 inches above my knee is appropriate in the summer, if I'm >not with a client), but even *I've* never worn a cocktail outfit nor a concubine >outfit to work, at my current office that is. Maybe your clients would like it--why don't you put it to a vote? (with the male clients, that is.) ;-) Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:31:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:04 PM 2/24/99 -0500, Peggy Mueller wrote: >I loved first-season Lois Lane--quick-tempered, impetuous, self-centered, >insensitive Mad Dog Lane; and I really missed her when she was replaced by >that woman so strangely lacking in self-confidence who cried that she'd >never be the kind of wife CK wanted. The first Lois was a lot more fun! I must have forgotten that scene completely. When did Lois cry that she'd never be the kind of wife CK wanted? Sheila sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:31:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peggy wrote: They aren't THAT type of clients. My male co-workers were appropriately appreciative. (Complimentary, without being suggestive). Besides, even I know that when you are asking people for large sums of money for a mutual fund, or planning advising them on their insurance portfolios, conservative dress is appropriate. :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:27:49 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Changes to Kerth Nominee List Comments: To: lnc list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, we've got a couple of changes coming to the nominees list. We just had one author withdraw her story, and then we had somebody else point out the the nominated "True & Amazing Adv. of Wanda Detroit" is ineligible because it was nominated for a Kerth last year. OOPS! Sorry guys! Apparently, we're *not* at the final version of this list yet. I'll post more on this very soon. Hang with me on this one! Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:50:59 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cassie Neil Subject: Re: Okay, here it is. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not receive the entier fanfic. Too large for this e addy could someone send me it again to my better amail address. Jnc57@Bauercom.net Thanks ~~~~Gotta Fly ~~~~~~~~~~CASSIE~~~~~~~~~~~~ SuperCAS or KryptnCAS JnC57@Juno.com & JnC57@Bauercom.net I'm on ICQ are you? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:27:56 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/24/99 6:31:40 PM Central Standard Time, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes: << I must have forgotten that scene completely. When did Lois cry that she'd never be the kind of wife CK wanted? >> She might have meant Ordinary People, however Lois *wasn't* upset or afraid that she wouldn't be the kind of *wife* Clark wanted, she was afraid she'd never be as good a *mother* as Clark's mom. Big difference Because if that was an example of Lois lacking self-confidence, then *exactly* the same thing could be said of Clark who was insecure about becoming a father because he was afraid he wouldn't be there for their child like Jack Olsen wasn't there for Jimmy, or like Perry wasn't there for his sons. He was afraid of becoming the same type of absentee father. Clark reassured Lois and Lois reassured Clark. They were actually very much alike in their problems and insecurities, but only Clark had hat hair Zoomway@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:31:28 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Touching In-Reply-To: <000c01be604a$9d3cb380$6331e7d0@gremlino> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 6:07 PM -0500 2/24/99, Peggy Mueller wrote: >who was once reprimanded for sitting with her legs drawn up on the chair >beside her. (And, no, our office was not open to the public, and no, I >wasn't wearing a dress!) Sounds like I would be self-conscious working in your office. ;) I can't speak about the chest touching ... certainly patting the chest doesn't seem odd to me, if it was a friend of mine and we are picturing the same scenes -- there were several times when Lois would say something in jest, like "Good try, Kent" and pat him on the chest in a friendly way. Not sure which "massaging" scene you are talking about (though I would be glad to play the part of Lois's hand in that scene. ;)) As for sitting on the chair, I do remember one time that I was sitting in my office talking to some male co-workers and one of them pointed out that my skirt had ridden up a bit -- nothing obscene (thank goodness) but enough that when I crossed my legs and turned, a bit of thigh was showing (it *was* a short skirt, but those were in, I swear ). Anyway, when he motioned, I apologized with a "whoops!". His response? A cute grin and a "hey, I wasn't complaining!" Kathy (who would have fit in quite nicely in the DP newsroom. ;)) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:21:51 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sheila wrote: When did Lois cry that she'd never be the kind of wife CK wanted? Wasn't that in Ordinary People, right after Clark showed up with the tree full of bananas and started talking about how he wanted to get married because his parents made it look like so much fun? Ann ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:30:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Okay, here it is. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's on its way.... :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:43:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kathy wrote: ). Anyway, when he motioned, I apologized with a "whoops!". His response? A cute grin and a "hey, I wasn't complaining!" Kathy (who would have fit in quite nicely in the DP newsroom. ;))> Hey Kathy, been there, done that! As long as the skirt and shoes and shirt match, I don't see a problem. My co-workers like my "cheerleader" skirts. (Short and pleated-- you probably know the style). The skirt is only too short when the shirt is longer than the skirt. The solution you ask? Try a shorter shirt. I figure, hey, if it covers what it should, and the style fits the person's personality and figure. Go for it! JOY:), who wears short skirts because she is 5'4" in heels and long skirts make her look frumpy. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:47:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Donna Burton Subject: Re: Touching Kathy, I think Lois gave CK a shoulder massage and remarked that he was "like iron" and he corrected her and said "steel" but I'm episode challenged as to which one it was.... Donna in Schenectady, burtond@union.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:50:41 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: PDA (was Re: Touching) In-Reply-To: <000c01be604a$9d3cb380$6331e7d0@gremlino> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 6:07 PM -0500 2/24/99, Peggy Mueller wrote: >Your response and the responses of others show just how customs vary in >different cultures. It's been interesting to see the number of people who >have seen >this kind of demonstrative behavior at work. I want to clarify one thing about my previous post. I think there is a big difference between subtle friendly touching and actual PDA (Public Displays of Affection) like kissing or even holding hands. Certainly, L&C put on PDA shows left and right once they were involved, but that is the magic of television. I doubt many real offices, no matter how relaxed, would tolerate kissing between co-workers in plain view. (Maybe a family owned business or something, where the involved couple are the bosses wouldn't mind. ;)) And while I *loved* how a married L&C would walk off the elevator holding hands, I don't feel it's appropriate for most offices. In fact, I once had to talk to a co-worker because her husband came to the office to pick her up for lunch, and they strode out through the common areas holding hands, kissing and generally hanging on each other. I wasn't her boss, but I was her mentor, and I needed to protect her future by explaining that this wasn't appropriate behavior. Would I mind if she and her hubby kissed in the privacy of her office saying goodbye? No. Would I mind if while the two of us were gossiping at lunch, she shared some personal details of their ...er, love lives? No. (Though I admit I knew *way* more about their sex life that I probably should have; she had a habit of dropping little comments like "while my husband and I were in the shower this morning, he said ..." ) Now while in L&C, I would have loved to see that sort of comment (heck, that whole scene , I did feel it necessary to warn my co-worker against saying stuff like that in front of the bosses. Kathy (who loved the PDA in L&C, and would have been just as happy if they did more of it -- at work, at home, in the shower , whereever ... that's what makes it a fantasy show. ;)) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:01:15 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Touching In-Reply-To: <85256723.000FD60B.00@MetMtaG2.metlife.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:43 PM -0500 2/24/99, Joy N Sowell wrote: > My co-workers like my "cheerleader" skirts. >(Short and pleated-- you probably know the style). Indeed .. I had Lois wear one in Giving Thanks ... ;) > The skirt is only too short >when the shirt is longer than the skirt. The solution you ask? Try a shorter >shirt. Joy, why do I now picture you as the secretary Lucy in The Practice? Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:02:52 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long In-Reply-To: <001901be6052$8f173480$8e31e7d0@gremlino> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:04 PM -0500 2/24/99, Peggy Mueller wrote: >Zoomway wrote: >>This view of Lois' behavior and treatment of Clark was actually the >majority >>opinion on this list and elsewhere in cyber space as 1rst season was airing >>for the first time ;) > >This really surprises me; the fanfiction generally shows a more sympathetic >portrait of Lois than I garnered from watching the show. Remember that the vast majority of fanfic was written after the first season, and so people had a chance to see Lois's behavior in a better light. We came to know her character and her background, and got to see she and Clark become first friends, then best friends, then more. Even today, though, I'll read fanfic where the author obviously loves Clark and hates Lois. This comes through in their characterizations and their dialogue. Sometimes I think "is this based on the same show I watched?" Personally, I prefer a more balanced approach ... I think they both had their faults, yet could each take care of themselves just fine. Clark obviously survived and came back for more after each "attack" so he couldn't have been put off by Lois's behavior the way many of the fans were. ;) Kathy (a TDOLL, a TDOCK ... heck, I just love L&C!) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:06:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >At 07:04 PM 2/24/99 -0500, Peggy Mueller wrote: >>I loved first-season Lois Lane--quick-tempered, impetuous, self-centered, >>insensitive Mad Dog Lane; and I really missed her when she was replaced by >>that woman so strangely lacking in self-confidence who cried that she'd >>never be the kind of wife CK wanted. The first Lois was a lot more fun! > Sheila said: >I must have forgotten that scene completely. When did Lois cry that she'd >never be the kind of wife CK wanted? > Oops, sorry; Now I'm not sure she ever said that exactly. The scene I was thinking of was in Ordinary People, where Clark is talking about his parents and Lois wails and says [here's where I thought she said she'd never be the kind of wife Clark wants, but I just looked at my tape and what she actually says is] that she'll never be as good of a mother as Clark's was. There are other times (fourth season, I believe--I didn't check my tapes) when Lois seems distressed at the thought that their marriage won't be what Clark expected, but I'm not sure which episodes those were. I think she worries about how disappointed Clark will be if they can't have children. Also, in Twas the Night before Mxymas, Lois gets distressed because she doesn't think she's going to enjoy Christmas as much as Clark wants her to (!) I think Clark thinks that's kind of funny. IIRC, he says that he's not going to "pressure" her to like Christmas, LOL! The point is, though, that Lois, especially fourth-season Lois, seemed like a different person to me, more melancholy than the choleric LL of previous years. I missed the banter between L&C, too. Peggy, who hopes that she hasn't said anything else dumb that she has to explain, because she's beginning to feel like she's been carpet-bombing the List with her posts. :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:44:11 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carms Calvag Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit To make a new movie??? I thought both Dean and Teri said they didn't want to do a fifth season? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:11:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kathy wrote; Joy, why do I now picture you as the secretary Lucy in The Practice? Is that the lawyer show that was on the other night around 10:00 eastern time? The one with the partners, who were PARTNERS, and the lady who sued someone because he killed her cat (that WAS sad)? I saw what ever show that was for the first time, and I don't remember a Lucy. I also was doing paperwork and fiighting the flu. I got my voice back 5 hours ago. YEA!! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:17:42 -0500 Reply-To: nsa105@psu.edu Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nethra Ankam Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zoomway writes: > Part of the problem is that Lois had no sounding board. Only > briefly when Lucy existed 1rst season did Lois have someone to vent her > feelings to and only then did we know her motives and feelings for some of the > things she did. Clark always had his parents to speak with and so we often > heard his point of view when he would frequently speak with them either on the > phone or in person. Not so with Lois. > I agree with the above--Lois did need a sounding board, but Lois did talk to herself sometimes in the first season (I don't know how many times)...like in IGACOY, she pulls on her schulmpy robe and cries into her rocky road "I am jealous" and then Lex Luthor comes in and is very creepy. Lex seemed almost stalker like in that scene. >It wasn't until later in first season and on into 2nd season where Lois and >Clark became friends and Lois would more willingly share her inner thoughts >and feelings with Clark. Which I prefer anyway ;) This was a matter of trust >too. Lois discovered Clark was a man she could fall apart in front of and he >wouldn't judge her or tease her. And later the show used people like Star and Martha and Sarah to let Lois talk about Clark :) Just making a few observations, Nethra ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:18:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peggy wrote: That's okay Peggy. I love reading all of these comments. It's great coming into work in the morning and seeing all of those e-mail messages. It sure beats minesweeper for entertainment! Because, as you can tell by the time of my posts, most of them occurr during the day, while I'm at work. Otherwise, I'd have to monopolize my phone line at home. My roommates would probably not appreciate that very much. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:22:37 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition In-Reply-To: <5b9b887b.36d4b8fb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:44 PM -0500 2/24/99, Carms Calvag wrote: >To make a new movie??? I thought both Dean and Teri said they didn't want to >do a fifth season? They don't. ;) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:23:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Any word on who will play Lois and Clark? Or Jimmy? Sorry, but I kind of thought he was not used enough, so he will be a main character in my next two fanfics. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:49:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zoomway wrote: >She might have meant Ordinary People, however Lois *wasn't* upset or afraid >that she wouldn't be the kind of *wife* Clark wanted, she was afraid she'd >never be as good a *mother* as Clark's mom. Big difference Because if >that was an example of Lois lacking self-confidence, then *exactly* the same >thing could be said of Clark who was insecure about becoming a father because >he was afraid he wouldn't be there for their child Yes, that's the scene I was thinking of, and yes, Lois did say "mother" instead of "wife," and yes, Clark worried about not being a good father, too, but...Clark isn't Lois and it's not at all out of character for CK, caring person that he is, to worry about being a good parent, but I couldn't see the LL that I came to know and love showing such insecurity. (I'll bet that someone is going to come back and say that Lois' self-confidence in the first & second seasons was mainly bravado, and it's only to CK that she can reveal her weaknesses and insecurities. Hmmm?) I like to imagine Lois taking on impending motherhood with the same competitive spirit with which she tackles every other project--researching the latest developments in prenatal care, enrolling her kids at Winky Tink years before they're born, bringing home stacks of baby books and magazines >from the library with titles like "How to Maximize Your Baby's Potential," and "Is Preschool Too Young To Start Preparing Your Child for College?" while she's playing classical music CD's for her fetus' edification and enjoyment. (Did I get this idea from a fanfic?--it sounds familiar.) Anyway, whether she was insecure about being a wife (and I guess she wasn't), or a mother, the key word is "insecure." I know I've spent the last few days talking about how "mean" Lois was, but I liked the LL spirit, which I would have liked to see her retain--without the meanness. (Well, a little meanness is O.K., as long as it's not directed at Clark.) :-) Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:05:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Touching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy said: >Not sure which "massaging" scene you are talking about (though I would be >glad to play the part of Lois's hand in that scene. ;)) > LOL! The "massage" takes place in Strange Visitor From Another Planet when LL returns to the Daily Planet after being tossed from the airplane. When she sees CK step off the elevator, she runs and hugs him, then grabs his pectoral muscle with her hand and, well, see it for yourself! It happens really quickly--I only noticed it because someone on the USENET news group said to watch what Lois's right hand was doing after she hugged Clark. Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:04:29 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pat Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) (was Re: Touching) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been enjoying your posts, Peggy. You've raised some interesting points for discussion--thank you! on IGACOY Peggy wrote: >>Other parts of this episode bothered me, however. Clark slapping Lois on the derriere seemed so out of character for him that I stepped outside the L&C fantasy world and called the whole thing a writer/producer error. (You see what a CK fanatic I am; when he does something I don't like, I just deny that he ever did it. ;-) )<< Clark was definitely out of character in more than a few parts of this episode; teasing Lois with the drumstick in front of their colleagues, deliberately blowing Lois' cover at the Metro Club, and coming on to Toni King (just to name a few ;) But I didn't see his giving Lois a light swat as being that all that far removed from "our Clark's" behavior. Consider the situation--Clark has just blown Lois' cover at the club, and not only is she justifiably furious with him, she shows every intention of returning the favor by blowing *his* cover. She starts to call him "Clark" rather than "Charlie" when he's carrying her out of the club. Clark panics, and gives her a light tap on the bottom, probably as his way of reminding her of the reason they're at the club in the first place (one of them needs to stay there and get the story) Clark also might have seen getting Lois out of the club in the quickest way possible (over his shoulder ;) as removing her from a potentially dangerous situation. Suppose Toni or one of her henchpersons decides that Lois has seen or heard too much to be *allowed* to leave? Was it mean and uncalled for? Yep. But think about the problem solving skills "our Clark" has demonstrated in other stressful situations when Lois or his parents are involved. Clark continually shot himself in the foot (as Clark) by encouraging Lois' feelings for Superman; he nearly let Lois marry Lex, when he could have very easily stopped her, if, as Superman, he'd told her all of the *bad* things he knew about Lex; he let Lois talk him into freezing her, even though he wasn't sure he could revive her later on; he broke up with Lois "for her own good," and he let Lois drive off with Lex (again) two seasons later, during the non-wedding arc. When Lois is in jeopardy, the poor guy had trouble thinking clearly ;) >I'll admit that I was influenced in my unfavorable opinion of Lois's >behavior by the conviction that the love "triangle" part of the story was an >adaptation of the love triangle in the novel "Gone with the Wind," and >seeing the heroine of that story in LL prejudiced me against her. > (I detested Scarlett O' Hara when I read the novel in high school, and >although I later changed my mind somewhat, my first impression >stuck with me...) Is there anyone on the list (who's known me for more than 10 minutes ;) who *didn't* expect me to respond to a comparison of L&C to Gone With the Wind? It's especially interesting, Peggy, that you compared the love triangle in first season Lois & Clark to that in Gone With the Wind. Most current literary analysts feel that the triangle in Gone With the Wind was partially an autobiography of it's author: as a young woman, Margaret Mitchell (who was a newspaper reporter, BTW ;) was courted by two men, a young newspaperman newly arrived in Atlanta from "Nowheresville" and an older, far more sophisticated man, who had an expensive car, nice clothes, and plenty of money to spend. The young newspaperman became Margaret's best friend, and tried to talk her out of her engagement to the businessman, warning her that the guy had a lot of problems. The newspaperman was unsuccessful, though; Margaret married the businessman and discovered, on her honeymoon, that her new husband was a controlling, violent, bad-tempered individual who had gotten his money through illegal activities (this was the 1920's and he was a bootlegger) The story has a happy ending (and more twists than the non-wedding arc ; ) Margaret eventually divorced the businessman, and married the newspaperman, who'd remained her very good friend throughout. She continued to work on her romance novel in her spare time, and we *all* know what that turned out to be ;) and for those of you who are still awake, Zoomway wrote: >>then there was the day Clark showed up in that great black Kal-El suit and Lois as a concubine ;)<< Proof positive that the Daily Planet's dress code is *extremely* lax. Most companies try to discourage their employees from wearing a leash to the office (unless it's casual day ;) Pat peabody@mcs.com pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 05:47:14 GMT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eilonwy Jamison Subject: question about show accuracy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hi all! I don't know if I'm right, but in the Phoenix doesn't Lex call Kryptonite his Excaliber? If he did wouldn't that be inaccurate? I thought the legends say that Excaliber was to be used by a person that was doing something good, or something to that effect. i was wondering if Luthor was saying this to make himself look good, or was he just showing it was his power source? Well, I would appreciate comments to clear my clouded mind! Thanks! Eilonwy (who needs to start watching reruns of LnC and needs to brush up on her King Arthor facts) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:17:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Margaret Mitchell In-Reply-To: <00fb01be608d$16e1bae0$725ffdcd@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:04 PM -0800 2/24/99, Pat wrote: >The story has a happy ending (and more twists than the non-wedding arc >; ) Margaret eventually divorced the businessman, and married the >newspaperman, who'd remained her very good friend throughout. She >continued to work on her romance novel in her spare time, and we *all* >know what that turned out to be ;) > >and for those of you who are still awake, Awake? I can't take my eyes from the keyboard. Thanks, Pat. This is just ... amazing. Kathy (who feels as WAFFy as when she watches L&C ...) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:25:17 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Updated Kerths Nominees! Comments: cc: lnc list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi again, everyone :) Okay, let's try this again. We bumped up the stories on deck into the vacated slots, and came up with our new list. Let's hope I don't become the village idiot by messing this up again. Oh, and I needed to tell you that Genevieve's site is pretty much done. What a lady! She deserves a big thank you for getting these posted on her site so quickly! The new URL is: and all the nominated fanfics can be accessed through this site. Thanks Genevieve!! :) Now, let's get on with the newly revised list for the 1999 LNC Fanfic Kerth Awards: BEST COMEDY: Three Capes to the Wind (IRC Round Robin) Is He or Is He Not? by Bella Commercial Break by Ellen Garnett and Debby Stark The New Bed by Audrey Rempel Couch Potatoes by Phil Atcliffe BEST VIGNETTE/SHORT STORY: The Last Goodbye by Pam Jernigan It's Genetic by Misha Where Oh Where Do Supes' Clothes Go? by Erin Klingler Lois Says (1&2) by Chris Mulder A Night for Healing by Ultracape BEST WAFFY STORY: Much Ado About... by Phil Atcliffe Lois Says (1&2) by Chris Mulder A Whole New World (IRC Round Robin) In the Grand Circle of Life by Crystal Wimmer Moonlight on the Potomac (IRC Round Robin) BEST DRAMATIC STORY: The Huntress' Revenge by Jenni Debbage The Darkness Within by Lyds Yet Each Man Kills by Genevieve Clemens Fear of the Unknown by Yvonne Connell Disquiet Nights by Susan VanCott BEST REVELATION: What it Means to Love You by Erin Klingler Montrose's Toast by Phil Atcliffe Recognition (Truth) by CCMalo Identity Crisis by Wendy Richards Great Shades of Mayson by Susan Schwartz BEST ELSEWORLD STORY: Only You Series by Margaret Brignell Then Came You/Two Become One by Jeff Brogden The Darkness Within by Lyds Through the Looking Glass by Kathy Brown Bureau 39 by Joan (aka) dmj BEST EPISODE ADAPTATION: That Super Man of Mine by Wendy Richards A World Without a Superman (IRC Round Robin) A Night Alone by Crystal Wimmer The House of Lane by Wendy Richards Tomorrow's Past by Karen Ward ORIGINAL PREMISE: Cruise Control by Zoomway Recognition (Truth & Justice) by CCMalo On the Run by Plan9Lives In a Child’s Name by Delaney Much Ado About... by Phil Atcliffe BEST S5/6 EPISODE: It's Time by Pam Jernigan Strained Relations/For the Good of the Child by Chris Mulder, Pam Jernigan, and Barb Charity Begins at Home by Sandy McDermin Through the Looking Glass by Kathy Brown Oh Give Me a Home by Jeff Brogden BEST TUFS EPISODE: Full Circle: A New Day (various TUFS authors) Then Came You/Two Become One by Jeff Brogden Stranger Things Have Happened by Julie Mack Forever and Ever, Amen by Linda Mooney Yet Each Man Kills by Genevieve Clemens BEST VILLAIN STORY: The Huntress' Revenge by Jenni Debbage Hickory Mxyery Dock (IRC Round Robin) Oh Give Me a Home by Jeff Brogden It's a Wonderful LIfetime by Cindy & anonymous For the Good of the Child by Chris Mulder BEST NEXT GEN/EARLY YEARS: Full Circle by Crystal Wimmer My Adventures With Superman by Kathryn Ann Kent A Love So Long in the Making by Wendy Richards Not a Part of the Stars by Donna Hafner Perfectly Not Normal by Molly BEST SERIES: Only You series by Margaret Brignell The SoulMates Chronicles (IRC Round Robin) Recognition (Truth & Justice) by CCMalo On the Run by Plan9Lives The Spider and the Fly(boy) / Epic (Confusion) by Robert Culpepper BEST ROUND ROBIN: Three Capes to the Wind Moonlight on the Potomac The SoulMates Chronicles: The Tai Cooking With the Kents A World Without a Superman BEST NEW AUTHOR: Wendy Richards CCMalo Yvonne Connell Jenni Debbage Delaney Crystal Wimmer BEST OVERALL FIC: Full Circle by Crystal Wimmer What it Means to Love You by Erin Klingler In a Child’s Name by Delaney Only You series by Margaret Brignell That Super Man of Mine by Wendy Richards ___________ Okay, there you have it! Please let me know if I've misspelled anything, etc, will you? Thanks! Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 05:19:27 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: PDA (was Re: Touching) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/24/99 9:59:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes: << Kathy (who loved the PDA in L&C, and would have been just as happy if they did more of it -- at work, at home, in the shower , whereever ... that's what makes it a fantasy show. ;)) >> Or when he wisked Lois away to that tropical island in a fit of animal lust ... Oh wait, that wasn't the show ... Anne ;) (who still wants to see that nfic /sound subtlehint.wav) (sorry couldn't resist ) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:10:36 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Celia Carvalho Subject: Re: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Celia Carvalho Their working environment is also >informal and that makes it easier for people to be themselves. > >I work in a place like that and that's one of the reasons why I like to work >here so much. When I'm stressing and tired, I have some male (and female, too) >co-workers who come and rub my shoulders. I don't think that I'm being sexually >harrassed when they do it. And we have the habit to greet in the morning with >two kisses on the cheek. But that's how Portuguese people are...! We are always >kissing at every opportunity we get...! I know that this isn't a habit or usual >in other countries and especially not at work. And Then Peggy (gremlino@pathway.net) wrote: Your response and the responses of others show just how customs vary in different cultures. It's been interesting to see the number of people who have seen this kind of demonstrative behavior at work. --> Yes, this is one of the most interesting aspects of belonging to a list like this one. We learn lots of interesting things. I have one question, though, for all you FOLC's who live/work in environments where touching is more common; is it common for people to touch each other on the chest? --> It is common for men to touch on the chest when playing around. My male co-workers are always playing and pretending to have a fight. As for women... well, I don't have that habit, except if I'm *very* familiar with the man in question and I'm only playing. If that man is more than a friend to me, I don't usually show those signs of affection in public - not with witnesses anyway! That I know of, I mean. But speaking of my male co-workers again. They're absolutely crazy. I've been witness to two strip teases already... they didn't take off *all* the clothes, but it was very funny and interesting to watch! :) The guys are especially crazy around here. They do everything to make others laugh. I *love* it! That is the part of Lois's behavior that really startled me. Touching the arm, shoulder, back, even hugging--yes, I've seen some of that in offices (although not as much as LL did it!), but I've never seen a woman touch a man's chest the way she did. One scene that stands out is LL massaging CK's chest in Strange Visitor from Another Planet, although there are many, many other times when she patted him on the chest. --> Well, as Zoom said in a separate post, Dean's chest is *so* touchable, my honest opinion is that Teri couldn't keep her hands off it for too long...! And I *didn't* miss that scene when Lois grabs Clark's left delicious pectoral on Strange Visitor after hugging him. Although she was expressing her joy for knowing that Superman was alive, the fact is that she grabbed a nice piece of Dean's chest and... okay, confession time, I wish I was her! From the snippets of interviews that I've been able to see with Dean and Teri, the impression I have is that Teri doesn't miss any change to hug Dean, touch him, etc... she even nibbled his ear lobe and kissed his neck and chest in one of those! And the impression I have is that Dean takes it lightheartdly, although he looks more shy than Teri. To go back to what Peggy said before, no, I haven't seen any woman touch a man's chest at work as Lois did to Clark either - not at work anyway. I don't think it's very appropriate either. Peggy, who was once reprimanded for sitting with her legs drawn up on the chair beside her. (And, no, our office was not open to the public, and no, I wasn't wearing a dress!) --> I, for one, don't have that habit either, of sitting with my legs drawn up on the chair, I mean. But usually nobody does have the habit of using chairs or tables like that around here. I see it a lot in the movies and I thought that people only did it in the movies. It's considered unprofessional and disrespectful to do so in Portugal. And maybe that's why we don't do it even when nobody's looking. However, I am always being reprimanded for not wearing skirts more than I usually do! Is it my fault that it's so cold? Like Joy, I also wear short skirts, because I'm petite and don't look so good with long ones. But there's a good thing about this: when I wear a skirt, I have all the attention! Sometimes I don't know if it's good or bad though. Celia (Carvalho@lexmark.com) Who's loving all these posts. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:03:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Celia wrote: < However, I am always being reprimanded for not wearing skirts more than I usually do! Is it my fault that it's so cold? Like Joy, I also wear short skirts, because I'm petite and don't look so good with long ones. But there's a good thing about this: when I wear a skirt, I have all the attention! Sometimes I don't know if it's good or bad though.> Celia, it's GOOD! I have a couple of pant suits that I wear occasionaly. Except when I do, the guys want me to know that a short skirt would look good with that particular top. I wear slightly longer skirts/ pants to regional meetings, and corporate events though. In the summer I'll wear a long, flowing type of dress, but only if it's sleeveless. Some guys may say they are grown up, but hey, if a snug sweater, and a short "cheerleader" type of skirt comes their way, they lose all rational thought processes. :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:35:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: Touching In-Reply-To: <990224214747.5429@conan.union.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Kathy, I think Lois gave CK a shoulder massage and remarked that he >was "like iron" and he corrected her and said "steel" but I'm episode >challenged as to which one it was.... Oh! Oh! I know what ep that was! :) It was "The Foundling" . . . I think. ;) Karen :) who hopes she's not being repetitive ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:02:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Fanfic Challenge--was Touching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Donna said: >Kathy, I think Lois gave CK a shoulder massage and remarked that he >was "like iron" and he corrected her and said "steel" but I'm episode >challenged as to which one it was.... > This is from "The Foundling,' but it's not the scene I was thinking of. Rubbing a friend's shoulders is common enough not to raise any eyebrows (at least, not mine ). Here's a fanfic challenge for all you WAFF-y tweenie writers out there; I've always been unhappy with the interaction between Lois & Clark in this episode, and I like to imagine that the story ended a bit differently. I think that Lois should realize how much her insensitive behavior has hurt her partner, and bring dinner to his apartment (although we can only hope that she has the sense to pick up some Chinese take-out and not try to prepare any food herself ;-)), and then give him another shoulder massage. Can somebody write this story? Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:03:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Touching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Celia Carvalho said: >no, I >haven't seen any woman touch a man's chest at work as Lois did to Clark either - >not at work anyway. I don't think it's very appropriate either. > Thanks. This is what I was wondering about. It really raised my eyebrows to see Lois do it---that, and seeing Cat kiss CK on the lips. Wow! Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:14:33 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Fanfic Challenge--was Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peggy wrote: I'll take that challenge! But, under one condition. Peggy, you will have to read it before I post it. That way if it really stinks then, at least I can share the blame. Of course, if doesn't totally suck, I can share the praise. JOY:) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:03:59 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: NKWolke Subject: Loving Clark, hating Lois (was Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi Folcs :-) Kathy wrote: >>> Even today, though, I'll read fanfic where the author obviously loves Clark and hates Lois. This comes through in their characterizations and their dialogue. Sometimes I think "is this based on the same show I watched?" <<< I love this whole Saint/Non-Saint thread, but I must admit that I'm surprised about how generally accepted the theory is that Clark is the 'good' and Lois is the 'evil' part of their early realtionship. The funny thing is that among the german Fans *I* often get the feeling that I have to defend *Clark* all the time. The majority of the fans clearly takes Lois' side (and during all seasons). They critisize Clark because of his "heroic attitude", because he "lies to her", because he "always wants to do everything alone", because he "doesn't trust" her, because of his "protectiveness" against Lois (she's an adult woman not a child etc.), because "he always runs to his parents", because he "never takes the first step". They also yell a lot at Superman, because they think "he's arrogant" and "not able to learn anything." I'm pretty sure you won't find many fans among them who hate Lois, but you'll find a lot who think Clark is way too weak and sometimes even downright dumb. Kathy wrote: >>> Personally, I prefer a more balanced approach ... I think they both had their faults, yet could each take care of themselves just fine. Clark obviously survived and came back for more after each "attack" so he couldn't have been put off by Lois's behavior the way many of the fans were. ;)<<< I couldn't agree more. Personally I *am* a big Clark-Fan (look' at my nick )and especially in fanfiction I love trying to see the world through Clark's eyes. But I couldn't do that if I didn't love Lois, too, because *she* is the center of his universe. I fell in love with the show in the Pilot, I fell in love with Clark when he smiled at Beatrice (the old actrice) and I fell in love with Lois the same instant she stormed into the office. Smart, sassy, beautiful Lois - Clark was hooked and so was I :-). I never saw Lois' behavior really negative during any season. I didn't see her as nasty or arrogant, but as a strong, impulsive character with a heart of gold under that heartbidden-newswoman-image. To say it with Clark: I love her humor, her passion, the way she just dive into things, even if she shouldn't. I also never saw Clark as weak or dumb, but as gentle, caring and sensitive with a great sense of humor under his smooth surface. To say it with Lois: I love his quiet strength, his gentle grace and I've never known anyone with this pure heart. Long post, short message: They were (and are and will be) perfect for each other! Nicole AKA CKgroupie on IRC NKWolke@t-online.de ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:32:21 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/24/99 9:49:09 PM Central Standard Time, gremlino@PATHWAY.NET writes: << Yes, that's the scene I was thinking of, and yes, Lois did say "mother" instead of "wife," and yes, Clark worried about not being a good father, too, but...Clark isn't Lois and it's not at all out of character for CK, caring person that he is, to worry about being a good parent, but I couldn't see the LL that I came to know and love showing such insecurity. (I'll bet that someone is going to come back and say that Lois' self-confidence in the first & second seasons was mainly bravado, and it's only to CK that she can reveal her weaknesses and insecurities. Hmmm?) >> Why is *Clark's* insecurity seen as "loving and caring" but Lois' is out of character? Lois *always* cared, but because she wore her "I'm so tough" mask first season, she decried and hid positive emotions, viewing them as a sign of weakness. She was a woman who was trying to prove a father who wanted sons, wrong. Someone who had "federal disasters" in lieu of relationships. Part of the series was about "disguises". Clark was Superman, Lex posed as a respectable, altruistic businessman, and Lois pretended to be tough and unreachable: Look, but don't touch. Cry, but not when anyone can see you, Feel hurt, but never admit it. Be moved, but pretend you aren't. Feel attracted to someone, but keep him at arm's length lest he becomes the next federal disaster. I'm sorry, but I never subscribed to the idea that because Lois evolved beyond hiding her true feelings as she pretended to be tough only to rush home so she could weep into a carton of ice cream, made her "tough". I don't think she ever fooled Clark with her mask. If Lois was as mean-spirited for *real* as she pretended to be, then Clark would merely have been a masochist for loving her. But, Clark saw the tenderness, caring and vulnerability she tried so hard to hide. Lois didn't *change* so much as she learned to be *honest* and more open with her feelings. Nor was it a magic transition that happened overnight, one episode, or one season. Like *real* people, both Lois and Clark kept growing and learning. >>>I like to imagine Lois taking on impending motherhood with the same competitive spirit with which she tackles every other project<< Why in the world would Lois want to be "competitive" when it came to motherhood? Is she in a race against someone? Is an award involved? ;) Even women who have wanted children and had good parents who were good role models, experience insecurities when it comes to parenting. Lois' insecurities stemmed from the fact that her parents didn't make marriage and parenting "look like fun" (as Clark described his parents) Lois' parents made it look like "root canal" "I didn't *want* a family. I ran away as far as I could." Lois was simply being honest here. She wasn't whining, she was just afraid that due to the only role models she had, she could end up just as bad as they were. >>>>The point is, though, that Lois, especially fourth-season Lois, seemed like a different person to me, more melancholy than the choleric LL of previous years. I missed the banter between L&C, too.<<< Lois was "melancholy" fourth season? You'll have to point out the parts where Lois experienced loads and loads of joy first season for me I'll take on the task of fourth season. In the two-part season opener, Lois takes on the Kryptonians who have the Kents chained up outside, I love her "in your face" attitude. Clark warns her to be careful, but she finds that a little tough ;) She goes under cover as a concubine and in Smallville helps the people there and tries to find out if Nor's bunch has Kryptonite. I love when she tells the elders to "measure you manhood later". She finds out who really has the Kryptonite, gives Colonel Cash a good-bye "love tap" before she trots out to warn Clark about the Kryptonite gas. And I didn't see a smidgen of melancholy in Lois in that fire escape scene Lois and Clark finally get married, but not before Lois has had some more "in your face" confrontations with Nunk. I love it when she whispers to Clark (as Superman) "grab him, rough him up" and when Lois said to Nunk, "Superman is a very good friend of ours, and if he thought you were helping Myrtle in any way, well the phrase 'God help you' would take on a whole new meaning, because only God could." They have to fight for their honeymoon, and I love Lois finally getting to say "Duh" to Tempus. Loved her elbowing Tempus in the gut too ;) Oh my, but wasn't Lois "melancholy" making out with Clark on the ceiling, in the elevator and sitting in the windowsill? ;) Loved Lois fighting for her man when she grabs Dootsen, and the only thing that stopped her from punching her was the fact that she needed Dootsen to shut off the machine (gives Dootsen a nice shove too) and says, "If anything happens to either one of them, you don't have to worry about getting any older." Go, Lois! Sigh, 4th season was just awash in melancholy (smack me! ;) It's true that Lois and Clark tackled some serious issues together along with much more humorous ones 4th season, but I didn't see "melancholy" lurking anywhere on the premises. When Clark had to learn to "prioritize" his time so that he could have a life with Lois (and hopefully time to spend with their child in the future) and still maintain his role as Superman, it resulted in AKA Superman, one of the funniest episodes the series produced. Lois tossed her chopstick on the floor *twice* Clark was left to cover for her bizarre behavior, "You should see her with silverware, it's not a pretty sight." I loved 4th season, but I know fans have different taste, so I'll leave it at that ;) >>>This really surprises me; the fanfiction generally shows a more sympathetic portrait of Lois than I garnered from watching the show.<<< As someone already pointed out, Lois became sympathetic in fanfic after 1rst season finished airing. The earliest fanfics appeared in the summer of 94 (when the show was on hiatus between 1rst and 2nd season) Having *all* of 1rst season to judge Lois by, then her positive qualities exemplified in episodes such as Man of Steel Bars, All Shook Up, Green Green Glow of Home, etc., made their way into fanfic. >>>But it was primarily Lois's snide remarks to Clark, who was deserving of much better treatment (as she eventually realized), that make me characterize her as "mean."<< Clark was capable of snide remarks too, but because he was the sympathetic character, and Lois was not, he got a pass and she didn't. Also, Clark was so nice most of the time that launching barbs at him was like stomping on a baby bunny >>>I disagree--it was Lex Luthor seeing and recognizing Lois that blew Lois's cover, although Lois refused to believe it. Clark knew who--and what-- Lex was, and he strongly believed that Lois was in danger from Lex. Her reasoning that Lex was a friend of hers didn't hold water with him; he felt that she was in danger (and how much more strongly he would have believed that if he had known that Lex had been intimate with Toni Baines before he had her blown to smithereens! :( )<<< This doesn't wash either One of the scary ironies of this episode is that Clark, who was *supposed* to be her friend, betrayed her, at least to Lois' point of view. Lex shows up at Lois' apartment, and she thanks him for not blowing her cover. What does Lex say? "What are friends for." Ouch. The villain was the one here who treated her as a friend. Again, from *Lois'* point of view. Since Clark had no proof whatsoever that Lex was evil, just suspicions, and since Lex was fond of Lois in his own twisted way, I'd argue it was *Clark* who should have gotten out of there and *not* Lois. >>BTW, what do you mean by "recycled Moonlighting script?"<<< I could easily see David (Bruce Willis) playing "Charlie" the smarmy bartender and smacking Maddie (Cybill Shepherd) on the butt, throwing her in the garbage, and dismissing her anger as if she were a little girl upset over a splinter or something :P >>>I think CK was just trying to give LL a hard time in this one--part of that bantering relationship they had by that time. Any other interpretation would be, as you say, out of character. (See, I can always find some excuse for his behavior! )<<< Ah, Clark gives *her* a hard time, it's funny, but not the other way around, okay, I'm catching on ;) That was banter? >> If she loved Superman, why did she accept Lex? And why did independent career woman Lois Lane need to marry at all?<< I'd give no argument on that, I thought it was stupid then, and still think it's stupid >>>I loved first-season Lois Lane--quick-tempered, impetuous, self-centered, insensitive Mad Dog Lane; and I really missed her when she was replaced by that woman so strangely lacking in self-confidence who cried that she'd never be the kind of wife CK wanted. The first Lois was a lot more fun!<<< Boy, do I disagree with this. I loved *both* Lois and Clark, but if neither of them had ever evolved beyond what often was childish behavior with one another first season, and hurting and rehurting each other, I wouldn't have made it through 2nd season. It was the characterrs that hooked me, and so if they didn't grow up and grow together, then I would have had no reason to keep watching, I'd have seen it all before on a *lot* of other TV shows Zoomway@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:08:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Georgia E. Walden" Subject: Re: Loving Clark, hating Lois (was Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:03 PM 2/25/99 +0100, Nicky wrote: a terrific post :) >I also never saw Clark as weak or dumb, but as gentle, caring and sensitive with >a great sense of humor under his smooth surface. >To say it with Lois: I love his quiet strength, his gentle grace and I've never >known anyone with this pure heart. > >Long post, short message: They were (and are and will be) perfect for each other! This is exactly what I would have said, if I'd gotten around to saying it, so thanks Nicky for doing it for me. ;) And to avoid the dreaded "me too post" list violation ;), here's something to consider when evaluating Lois and Clark's behavior toward each other in first season. Instead of judging what they do by how you, or I, or anyone else, might have responded, look at how *they* responded. When Lois made her disparaging remarks about Clark in the Pilot, did he seem cowed, or seething with suppressed anger, or looking for a chance to get back at her or prove her wrong? Didn't look like it to me - usually he laughed, sometimes he looked thoughtful, and he always stayed right there with her. ;) His set-up in Neverending Battle wasn't really to retaliate for what she did to him (he got over that pretty quickly, I thought) but because he saw her spinning out of control, and knew that he was the best one to take action. And when he did it, how did she take it? She *understood* and accepted it, she was honest with herself and with him. I also think that despite what she said, she already knew that what Clark thought of her mattered. It's possible to pick moments in episodes that seem to support one view or another of the characters and how they felt, but if you follow Jimmy's advice to Perry in Chi of Steel, and look at the "big picture" ;) the scales balance out beautifully. CK to LL in DLW: "You are the best." LL to CK in DLW: "*You* are the best." They are the best. :) Georgia gwalde14@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:12:25 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carms Calvag Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wasn't there some rumors going on that Nicholas Cage was going to do a Superman movie? He is to be Clark and Sandra Bullock was going to be Lois. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:19:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is that a rumor, or have the actors confirmed it? I think that Sandra Bullock would make a great Lois Lane! :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:59:43 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE6112.8843C180" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE6112.8843C180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zoomway wrote: >Why is *Clark's* insecurity seen as "loving and caring" but Lois' is = out of >character? Lois *always* cared, but because she wore her "I'm so tough" = mask >first season, she decried and hid positive emotions, viewing them as a = sign of >weakness. She was a woman who was trying to prove a father who wanted = sons, >wrong. Someone who had "federal disasters" in lieu of relationships. = Part of >the series was about "disguises". Clark was Superman, Lex posed as a >respectable, altruistic businessman, and Lois pretended to be tough and >unreachable: Look, but don't touch. Cry, but not when anyone can see = you, >Feel hurt, but never admit it. Be moved, but pretend you aren't. Feel >attracted to someone, but keep him at arm's length lest he becomes the = next >federal disaster. > >I'm sorry, but I never subscribed to the idea that because Lois evolved = beyond >hiding her true feelings as she pretended to be tough only to rush home = so she >could weep into a carton of ice cream, made her "tough". I don't think = she >ever fooled Clark with her mask. If Lois was as mean-spirited for = *real* as >she pretended to be, then Clark would merely have been a masochist for = loving >her. But, Clark saw the tenderness, caring and vulnerability she tried = so >hard to hide. Lois didn't *change* so much as she learned to be = *honest* and >more open with her feelings. Nor was it a magic transition that = happened >overnight, one episode, or one season. Like *real* people, both Lois = and >Clark kept growing and learning. Right on, Zoom! My thoughts exactly. Wild applause ensues from stage = right. (And elsewhere too - although I won't repeat the entire post. = Things could get unwieldy! Agreed with every word of it though. Well, = maybe not that comma on the second last paragraph, but the rest of it = definitely. ) > Loved Lois >fighting for her man when she grabs Dootsen, and the only thing that = stopped >her from punching her was the fact that she needed Dootsen to shut off = the >machine (gives Dootsen a nice shove too) and says, "If anything happens = to >either one of them, you don't have to worry about getting any older." = Go, >Lois! Over here, the BBC edited out Lois pulling back her fist here in a = threatening manner, which for some reason I always find hysterically = funny. Maybe they thought it would give us strange ideas......there = could have been rioting in the streets..... LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat - labrat@dircon.co.uk. The ideal view for daily writing, hour on hour, is the blank, brick wall = of a cold storage warehouse. Failing this, a stretch of sky will do, = cloudless if possible. -- Edna Ferber. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE6112.8843C180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Zoomway wrote:

>Why is *Clark's* insecurity seen as "loving and = caring"=20 but Lois' is out of
>character? Lois *always* cared, but because = she wore=20 her "I'm so tough" mask
>first season, she decried and = hid=20 positive emotions, viewing them as a sign of
>weakness. She was a = woman=20 who was trying to prove a father who wanted sons,
>wrong. Someone = who had=20 "federal disasters" in lieu of relationships.  Part = of
>the=20 series was about "disguises". Clark was Superman, Lex posed as = a
>respectable, altruistic businessman, and Lois pretended to be = tough=20 and
>unreachable: Look, but don't touch.  Cry, but not when = anyone=20 can see you,
>Feel hurt, but never admit it. Be moved, but pretend = you=20 aren't. Feel
>attracted to someone, but keep him at arm's length = lest he=20 becomes the next
>federal disaster.
>
>I'm sorry, but = I never=20 subscribed to the idea that because Lois evolved beyond
>hiding = her true=20 feelings as she pretended to be tough only to rush home so = she
>could weep=20 into a carton of ice cream, made her "tough".  I don't = think=20 she
>ever fooled Clark with her mask. If Lois was as mean-spirited = for=20 *real* as
>she pretended to be, then Clark would merely have been = a=20 masochist for loving
>her.  But, Clark saw the tenderness, = caring and=20 vulnerability she tried so
>hard to hide. Lois didn't *change* so = much as=20 she learned to be *honest* and
>more open with her feelings. Nor = was it a=20 magic transition that happened
>overnight, one episode, or one=20 season.  Like *real* people, both Lois and
>Clark kept = growing and=20 learning.
 
Right on, Zoom! My = thoughts=20 exactly. Wild applause ensues from stage right.  (And elsewhere too = -=20 although I won't repeat the entire post. Things could get unwieldy! = Agreed with=20 every word of it though. Well, maybe not that comma on the second last=20 paragraph, but the rest of it definitely. <g>)
>
Loved Lois
>fighting for her man when she grabs = Dootsen, and=20 the only thing that stopped
>her from punching her was the fact = that she=20 needed Dootsen to shut off the
>machine (gives Dootsen a nice = shove too)=20 and says, "If anything happens to
>either one of them, you = don't have=20 to worry about getting any older."  Go,
>Lois!=20 <g>
 
Over here, the BBC = edited out Lois=20 pulling back her fist here in a threatening manner, which for some = reason I=20 always find hysterically funny. Maybe they thought it would give us = strange=20 ideas......there could have been rioting in the = streets.....
 
LabRat = :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat - = labrat@dircon.co.uk.
=
 
The ideal view for = daily writing,=20 hour on hour, is the blank, brick wall of a cold storage warehouse. = Failing=20 this, a stretch of sky will do, cloudless if possible.  -- Edna=20 Ferber.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE6112.8843C180-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:25:33 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: Loving Clark, hating Lois (was Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/25/99 4:11:11 PM Central Standard Time, gwalde14@MINDSPRING.COM writes: << It's possible to pick moments in episodes that seem to support one view or another of the characters and how they felt, but if you follow Jimmy's advice to Perry in Chi of Steel, and look at the "big picture" ;) the scales balance out beautifully. >> Nice posts, Georgia and Nicky ;) That's how I more or less look at the show all the time now, as a whole rather than piecemeal. I see certain important scenes or episodes as defining moments, or pivotal moments, but no given scene can define them completely by itself. As I said in another post, I had no interest in seeing the characters "stuck in neutral" so to speak, for the run of the series (I already watch a show like that, and it's not improving with age ;) You're right too that the *reacation" to an "action" is equally important. For the most part, Clark was good-natured and could tell Lois was playing her "tough" act and he wasn't really buying it. He could see her true strengths deeper down, and they had nothing to do with the false face she wore to scare the public He loved her for *all* she was, even her scary mask. Witness is a good example. When Clark tells Lois she's "high maintenance" and Lois replies, "Yeah, but I'm worth it." Clark's reaction is priceless. He smiles and nods, he knows darn well she's worth it Lois astutely nailed the problem they *both* had in Whine Whine Whine... "We work too much and we fight about silly things, and all because we're hiding from each other, and I'm *sick* of it. The only reason to hide, is because we're scared." I loved that the assessment came from Lois, because she had mastered the art of hiding her true feelings and so easily recognized when others were doing the same thing. It's that great old adage, "Takes one to know one" >>>CK to LL in DLW: "You are the best." LL to CK in DLW: "*You* are the best." They are the best. :)<<< Definitely! ;) Zoomway@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:38:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >; ) Margaret eventually divorced the businessman, and married the >newspaperman, who'd remained her very good friend throughout. She >continued to work on her romance novel in her spare time, and we *all* >know what that turned out to be ;) > >and for those of you who are still awake, > No, this is fascinating! I don't want to reopen the subject if it's already been talked to death, but...have many fans drawn a parallel between "Gone With the Wind" and L&CTNAOS? The GWTW story leaped out at me when I started watching the series and I wondered how many other people saw a resemblance. (I did notice that the novel was mentioned in the story "Identity Crisis," but I think that's the only time I've seen a reference to it.) Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:54:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peggy wrote: I never noticed a connection until you mentined it last night. But, you DO have a point. I had never seen GWTW until a couple of years ago. I finally saw Scarlett this past summer. There are certainly many differences, but I do see some of the same characteristics in some of the characters. JOY:) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:29:01 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Zoomway wrote: >>It was the characterrs that hooked me, and so if they didn't grow up and grow together, then I would have had no reason to keep watching, I'd have seen it all before on a *lot* of other TV shows << I could not agree more. I didn't discover the show until last spring in reruns on TNT and it was well into the fourth season by then. I absolutely loved it and was thrilled that TNT was going to go back and show all the episodes in order when they finished the fourth season. So you can imagine my surprise when I went from the 4th to the 1st season and saw Mad Dog Lane and clueless Clark. It took me until well into the reruns of the first season to rediscover the characters I had liked so much in the first place. I think both characters evolved and grew and got better, as people should do. I think that is one of the things that made the show so good. Most TV shows, even the very good ones, don't allow the characters to grow. They tend to be static, no matter how long the show runs. I do think that having seen the end of the show before the beginning did allow me to not want to strangle Lois at times. ( Nothing, however, could make me not want to strangle those responsible for the non-Wedding arc. ) Ann ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:25:20 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long In-Reply-To: <286dcff3.36d5c165@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:32 PM 2/25/1999 EST, Zoomwau wrote: >Re a message dated 2/24/99 9:49:09 PM Central Standard Time, >>from gremlino@PATHWAY.NET : >>>>>The point is, though, that Lois, especially fourth-season Lois, seemed >like >a different person to me, more melancholy than the choleric LL of previous >years. I missed the banter between L&C, too.<<< >Lois was "melancholy" fourth season? You'll have to point out the parts where >Lois experienced loads and loads of joy first season for me I think Peggy was talking about "audience" joy, not that of the characters. I can't pin down exactly what it was, but I too found season 4 "melancholy", or depressing, or...I'm not sure exactly what the right term would be. I can't point out specifics, I just know that of all four seasons I've rewatched the eps in season 4 the least (often I've only seen any given fourth season episode once--the first time it aired). At the end of an episode in the first three seasons I pretty much always felt like *I* had a fun ride, even if I didn't particularly care for the specific ep. I rarely got that feeling in Season 4. Margaret who actually *liked* IGACOY, so what do I know? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:37:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Kerth Award Nominations:D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have just seen my name on the Nominations list (three times...Wow!), and just wanted to thank everyone who nominated me:) I think most of the credit for my nomination should go to my proofers who have not only corrected my grammar and spelling but also given me ideas, hints, suggestions (orders) and generally quided me from going in the wrong direction:) Thank you all so much!:) Also, for all those people wondering when the *heck* part 4 is coming out...I *am* working on it, honest! I can't promise a deadline, but it should be ready in a few weeks (assuming I soon get over this ^&*$%* flu bug I'm suffering from right now;p) Thanks again:) Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:53:35 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: irene d Subject: character ages? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hi guys, I'm working on a fanfic with a complicated chronology (Yes, it's a time travel one) I was hoping to get some feedback re: characters' ages. In the last season, I figure Clark is 30, Lois around 29, Jimmy 21 or 22 but I would also like some input as what age everyone thinks Perry and Dr. Klein are in last season. Thanks for your help. Irene ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:00:23 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain You Wrote: >Wasn't there some rumors going on that Nicholas Cage was going to do a Superman movie? He is to be Clark and Sandra Bullock was going to be Lois. **** I don't normally write I just enjoy reading the discussions, but is there anyone out there that agrees with me that Nicholas Cage wouldn't make a good Superman. He is just to rugged and scruffy. His face anyway. I just don't think that he would be right for the part. In The old series you had George Reeves, Who had a smooth and clean cut face with a good Jaw line, as well as with Christopher Reeve. Dean Cain was a perfect addition to the many Supermans. But all this is just IMHO.. I hope I didn't offend anyone?! Back to just reading........... :) Annobelle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:03:27 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Joy Wrote: >Is that a rumor, or have the actors confirmed it? I think that Sandra Bullock would make a great Lois Lane! :) **** I agree!! she is "super" feisty and would make a very believable Lois. She even kinda looks like Lois should look...Do you think that she should cut her hair or leave it longer? I mean..This movie is supposed to be a continuation is it not? Back to reading.... Annobelle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:11:17 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carms Calvag Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I saw an Access Hollywood episode where Nicholas Cage admitted to planning of making a Superman movie called "Superman Reborn" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:12:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Totally unverified Dean movie sighting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tonight after class, one of my students watched me print out an article about Dean Cain, and the student said, "Oh, he's in a movie that's coming out. It may be in the cities now." I went, "Huh? He just finished shooting a movie a Puerto Rico, and he's in Bulgaria now shooting another one. Was this on video? Best Men or FutureSport?" He told me, no, it was being released in the theaters, that he had just seen an ad for it, either on TV or on a new-release video he just rented (he couldn't remember the video's title, either). He said, "Dean Cain plays a policeman." I did a double-take and said, "A policeman who used to be a priest and teams up with the ghost of his former partner?" He went, "Yeah! That's it!" So, it sounds like the pilot for Rag and Bone is getting a theatrical release, but I sure wish I could get some verification of this. Anyone out there heard anything? Sheila Harper sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:07:23 +0000 Reply-To: wbarbara@execpc.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Barbara Knutson Subject: Re: character ages? On 25 Feb 99 at 18:53, irene d wrote: > I'm working on a fanfic with a complicated chronology (Yes, it's a time > travel one) I was hoping to get some feedback re: characters' ages. > In the last season, I figure Clark is 30, Lois around 29, Jimmy 21 or 22 > but I would also like some input as what age everyone thinks Perry and > Dr. Klein are in last season. I figure Perry is probably mid-50s minimum, probably a few years older - just due to his societal references and the way he talks about having listened to Elvis. Dr. Klein is probably late 30's, early 40's (prematurely bald) - don't know why, just figure that with getting his doctorate and his position at S.T.A.R. Labs, he's been around a few years, but not a lot..... Barbara +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ wbarbara@execpc.com WAFFyBarb on IRC Brand-new-wife of Jon Knutson - the most wonderful man alive And a believer that fairy tales *can* come true.... check out his website, since Tripod won't let me into mine http://www.execpc.com/~waffyjon/index.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:13:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cassie Neil Subject: Re: Totally unverified Dean movie sighting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sheila said >>>one of my students watched me print out an article about Dean Cain, and the student said, "Oh, he's in a movie that's coming out.<<<< Why is people say things that you desperately want ot know but they never can remember "ALL the FACTS"? UGH!!! I'm glad he mentioned this to you Sheila, but I wish he would have known where he saw the ad, uh..TV or video and if it was a being released to vidoe ad which video did he rent to see that. How desperately apthetic we all are and you know who you are, but ya gotta love us. **NEW DEAN: where, when, how, & why don't I know about this. Oh well I will just wait until one of us desperate dean fan sees the ad and will all +/-500 sets of eyes looking out for new dean movie ads, I am sure it wont be too long before we all know and Blockbuster has to stop the dean stampede. CASSIE (who is really curious now as to whether she has late fees at blockbuster, oh well there's always Hollywood video) ~~~~Gotta Fly ~~~~~~~~~~CASSIE~~~~~~~~~~~~ SuperCAS or KryptnCAS JnC57@Juno.com & JnC57@Bauercom.net I'm on ICQ are you? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:03:50 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cliff Englert Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition In-Reply-To: <19990226030024.2638.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >::Nodding her head::. I agree with you Annobelle that Nicolas Cage would probably not make a very good Superman. Your right that his face is too rugged for the part! Sambrea ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:08:43 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990225230350.006ab734@pop.ticon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:03 PM 25/02/99 -0600, Cliff Englert wrote: >>::Nodding her head::. I agree with you Annobelle that Nicolas Cage would >probably not make a very good Superman. Your right that his face is too >rugged for the part! I have to butt in here to say that I read a report that the Nick Cage Superman Lives movie has now been permanently SHELVED. ie It is NOT going to be made, let alone released. There were all sorts of problems with the script, let alone the casting of Mr Cage (who, though a good actor, is not right for the part of Superman, IMHO). If can find the report that I read, I'll post it here. Jen jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (6) and Megan (3) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:29:25 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: character ages? In-Reply-To: <199902260408.WAA00832@mailgw02.execpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On 25 Feb 99 at 18:53, irene d wrote: > >> I'm working on a fanfic with a complicated chronology (Yes, it's a time >> travel one) I was hoping to get some feedback re: characters' ages. >> In the last season, I figure Clark is 30, Lois around 29, Jimmy 21 or 22 >> but I would also like some input as what age everyone thinks Perry and >> Dr. Klein are in last season. Clark turned 30 in February of S3, during the non-wedding arc (yes, it breaks my heart that he was supposed to celebrate the big 3-0 as a newlywed and instead he was probably crying in his beer because Wanda Detroit wasn't anywhere to be found ... but I digress. ;)) Clark turned 31 in the suprise party in AKASuperman, S4. Clark's birthday is February 28, 1966, so just figure out when your story takes place and do the math. Lois's birthday is Sept/Oct 1967, so again, do the math. Lois would have turned 30 in the fall of S*5*, so yes, she was 29 for all of S4. I'm trying to remember Jimmy's exact age. He mentions it in T:JO ... was he just 19 then? Or turning 20? That was S2, so we can add on appropriately from there and make him 21-22 in the final season of the show. At 10:07 PM +0000 2/25/99, Barbara Knutson wrote: >I figure Perry is probably mid-50s minimum, probably a few years >older - just due to his societal references and the way he talks >about having listened to Elvis. I agree with you. I would put Perry at 53-57. You didn't ask, but I would put the Kents in their early to mid 60's. >Dr. Klein is probably late 30's, early 40's (prematurely bald) - >don't know why, just figure that with getting his doctorate and >his position at S.T.A.R. Labs, he's been around a few years, >but not a lot..... I think Bernie might be a little older than this ... maybe mid-40's. I'd go early 40's, but not late 30's. With a MD and a PhD both (I assume, from all the research he does), the guy wouldn't have gotten out of grad school until 30 at least (4 years of med school and 4-5 of a PhD program), then he'd have to work his way up through the ranks of research labs. I give him 10-12 years experience, so that puts him in his early 40's. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:31:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: PDA (was Re: Touching) In-Reply-To: <6c54b4cd.36d523af@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:19 AM -0500 2/25/99, Annette Ciotola wrote: >Or when he wisked Lois away to that tropical island in a fit of animal lust >... > >Oh wait, that wasn't the show ... Anne, I am laughing so hard right now, I have tears in my eyes! >Anne ;) (who still wants to see that nfic /sound subtlehint.wav) You'll have a long wait. That one's not even on my radar. Feel free to use your imagination -- I know I did. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:08:11 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Comments: To: LOISCLA@vm.ege.edu.tr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Zara Kent wanted me to post this URL for the petition page for L&C. Apparently a mistyped URL was posted before, so, just in case: http://www.angelfire.com/mi/loisandclark/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:44:37 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Superman Lives Shelved - (was:Superman Snippet) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >his piece of info is a tad late, but I only just read it and I don't >think i've seen it on the group so heres a bit a blatantley snipped info >about SUPERMAN LIVES from Coronas Coming Attractions: > >January 4, 1999... Here comes a CA exclusive for you: info so hot most >Warner Bros. employees will learn about it here first. Thanks to our >friend 'Mr. WB', we learn that a meeting was held on Sunday that may >have sealed the film's fate... > >"It's me again, this time with another report from the Warner Bros. >publicity department. > >"This is the big news: it appears the top brass held an informal, >at-somebody's-house meeting yesterday (Sunday, January 3) and >decided a few things about WB's future schedule. It sounds like we're >in trouble, what with the relative and expensive failure of Soldier >(although people are pleasantly surprised by You've Got Mail, on its >way to $100). Some publicity ideas for The Wild, Wild West were >kicked around and approved, so work has begun en masse for that >flick. But here's what you really want to know: there was an order >on my desk this morning to destroy ALL PUBLICITY MATERIALS, >PROSPECTIVE OR OTHERWISE, for SUPERMAN LIVES. The >project has been shelved because of an unnecessarily escalating >pre-production budget ($103.4 million has been spent to date), and >the PTB are tired of delays. > >"So, I guess you can all let your collective breath out, because >SUPERMAN LIVES, for now, ain't flyin' nowhere." > > jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (6) and Megan (3) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:22:47 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: character ages? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In T:JO Jimmy says he is 20. However, continuity editors messed up, because in season 1, in All Shook Up, Jimmy tells Perry he's 21. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:40:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: Those nasty pages are down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was checking up on these URLs and they are all gone. You guys work really fast. Not only are these pages gone, but their entire directory are gone. Wow! I don't think these people are going to cause any more problems. >At 06:49 PM 20/02/99 EST, you wrote: >>I was wondering if anyone with all of the information on this whole issue >>would be so kind to put it all together in one e-mail. For instance, the >>URL's to the offensive sites, as well as the URL for Geocities complaint >page. > > >Sure, when you see how many there actually are (so far) you might be >surprised however. >The URLs are: > >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/theater.htm >http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/resist.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/bday.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/imagine.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/rumor.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/confused.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/aditp.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/tag.htm >http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting2.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/sy13ag.htm > > >The address to write to Geocities is: > >http://www.geocities.com/main/info/company/contact/alert_form.html farah :) farah@chisham.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:51:02 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: character ages? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Irene wrote <> The script for Season1, the pilot, describes Jimmy as "He is twenty-one, looks years younger." I figure Martha Kent was born in 1940 and that Jonathan is a couple of years older. This was a problem I had to work out when writing the S6 episode - "The Last Time I Saw Elvis" and there was a bit of discussion about it amongst the S6 group until we agreed that Martha was probabbly quite young when she married Jonathan. The problem was that the show had been a bit contradictory on the length of the Kents' marriage before they found Clark. Perry celebrated his 50th birthday with that bungee jump in season 1. On the show, I thought Dr. Klein looked to be in his early fifties. Good luck with your fanfic, Irene! Carol ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:55:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: Prematurely bald? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:07 PM 2/25/99 +0000, you wrote: >On 25 Feb 99 at 18:53, irene d wrote: >Dr. Klein is probably late 30's, early 40's (prematurely bald) - >don't know why, just figure that with getting his doctorate and >his position at S.T.A.R. Labs, he's been around a few years, >but not a lot..... Ummm, prematurely bald? A gentleman in his Late 30's (early 40's) who is bald (like Dr. Klein) is not premature IMO. My husband is mostly bald and he is in his mid 20's -- (i think bald men are definately sexier. Woof although, i'm not particularly attracted to Dr. Klein.) What is he--pre-prematurely bald? I think its quite common to see men in their early 40's with as much hair as Dr. Klein has. Please take this post lightheartedly. I'm just trying to state a debate. farah farah :) farah@chisham.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:42:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Saint/Non-Saint Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey guys, I've been enjoying this thread ... and I was thinking about Lois, first season last night. Lois was very prickly and tried to projec= t a very tough exterior, agreed. But I think it was just about protecting herself from rejection. When you think about it, she had *no* reason to think that she was likeable: --She had disappointed her father by not being a boy, and by not measurin= g up (two points left for improvement!) --She clearly wasn't a good enough daughter to keep her parents together,= or her mother from becoming an embittered alcoholic (kids tend to think they're at fault in these things) --She had a boyfriend in college who dumped her in favor of Linda King (i= f I'm remembering correctly) --She had a girlfriend in college who dumped her in favor of a guy (Ryan & Molly from Operation: Blackout) --When she fell in love at work, the creep used her and stole her work. --Even Perry, her supposed father figure, had never told her to her face that she was "the best damn investigative reporter" he'd ever seen; she w= as touched & surprised when Clark mentioned it. No wonder her life was "basically about work", and specificially about being the best, because she thought that was all she had to offer the world. As soon as anyone *really* knew what she was like, they'd reject her. Clark's support and friendship must have been a *very* strange experience for her, so I guess it's not surprising that it took her that long to be able to accept it. That'd make an interesting twist to a fanfic, actually (not that I have time to write it ): Sometime late first season or early second, Clark confesses both his hobby in tights and his love for her. She's abl= e to work through the Superman part, but refuses to believe she's loveable.= .. it'd be interesting to see her in on the secret, but not yet kissy-faced.= .. PJ !^NavFont02F05EA0007MGHHLECEE99 Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com) ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ It's KERTH time! Read all about it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html ~~~~~ Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ (I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could ) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:43:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> have many fans drawn a parallel between "Gone With the Wind" and L&CTNAOS? The GWTW story leaped out at me when I started watching the series and I wondered how many other people saw a resemblance. << Well, not me... but then I've never read the book, only seen the movie, a= nd I absolutely *despised* Scarlett O'Hara for an immature, stupid *brat* so= I try not to think about it... PJ !^NavFont02F013F000FMGJHGA5MGA7HH41EF68 Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com) ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ It's KERTH time! Read all about it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html ~~~~~ Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ (I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could ) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:13:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: character ages? Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> The script for Season1, the pilot, describes Jimmy as "He is twenty-on= e, looks years younger." << Yes, but I think when they changed actors, they also re-set Jimmy's age younger (was it mentioned in TJO?). So you'd basically have to pick whichever worked better for the story, I guess... Oh, and also in the pilot, but in a scene that wasn't included in either of the US versions, Lois was said to be 26. I'm not sure if that jives with the date on the tombstone we saw in Tempus, Anyone? so it might be another case of picking whichever works best. PJ !^NavFont02F01C4000FMGJHG53MG55HHC5E25E ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:41:02 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Christina Batouli Subject: Nock Cage movie was Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Players: Nicolas Cage as Superman/Clark Kent Kevin Spacey as Brainiac or Lex Luthor (unconfirmed) Chris Rock as Jimmy Olsen (unconfirmed) Linda Fiorentino, Michelle Forbes, Courtney Cox, or Sandra Bullock as Lois Lane (rumored) Jack Nicholson as the voice of Kay (rumored) John Mahoney as Perry White (rumored) Crew: Simon West, Steve Norrington or Shekhar Kapur / Director (rumored) Dan Gilroy / Screenwriter Jon Peters and Jeff Levine / Producers Warner Bros. / Distributor Status: In development Release Date: July 4, 2000 Also try: http://209.1.224.11/Area51/Vault/7771/s-movies.html But of course, a haiku poem shows what *some* people think (not mine) Nicolas Cage is Not my kind of Superman Balding, with big nose. Christina forum101@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:51:36 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: IRC Tutorial Comments: To: LOISCLA@VM.EGE.EDU.TR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, This year's Kerth Awards will once again be at IRC. I have decided to offer an IRC Tutorial again for anyone who wants to attend. Please let me know if you would like to participate. Once I have gotten a list of people who want to attend the tutorial I will post a mutually agreed upon time and date. Annie Lansbury :) Lansbury1@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:50:53 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Celia Carvalho Subject: Re: Prematurely bald? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I think I have a say in this subject...! You see, all men in my family (on my father's side) are all bald men. And the most annoying thing about this is that they all have lovely, strong and dark hair... before they start losing it, I mean. And when it happens, it's usually from their 20 years onwards. My father was bald at 27 and started losing his beautiful hair at 20 (he is always complaining about it, how much he misses his hair...). So, I wouldn't consider Dr. Klein as prematurely bald. When it's in the genes, it can start very early. And I think it's a pitty when men have beautiful hair and they lose it. That's the case in my family, every men has to face the same fate. Although I have to add that it's not the fact of having or not having hair that make men look more or less sexy. This is also a post to be taken lightheartdly. Celia. farah%CHISHAM.COM@interlock.lexmark.com on 26-02-99 13:55:58 Please respond to LOISCLA-GENERAL-L%LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU@interlock.lexmark.com To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L%LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU@interlock.lexmark.com cc: Subject: Prematurely bald? At 10:07 PM 2/25/99 +0000, you wrote: >On 25 Feb 99 at 18:53, irene d wrote: >Dr. Klein is probably late 30's, early 40's (prematurely bald) - >don't know why, just figure that with getting his doctorate and >his position at S.T.A.R. Labs, he's been around a few years, >but not a lot..... Ummm, prematurely bald? A gentleman in his Late 30's (early 40's) who is bald (like Dr. Klein) is not premature IMO. My husband is mostly bald and he is in his mid 20's -- (i think bald men are definately sexier. Woof although, i'm not particularly attracted to Dr. Klein.) What is he--pre-prematurely bald? I think its quite common to see men in their early 40's with as much hair as Dr. Klein has. Please take this post lightheartedly. I'm just trying to state a debate. farah farah :) farah@chisham.com Celia Assistant Secretarial Linda-a-Velha-Portugal Phone : 351 (1) 415 34 50 Fax : 351 (1) 419 21 12 CARVALHO@LEXMARK.COM ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:46:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the great post, Zoomway, and everyone else who offered constructive comments; my typing fingers are itching to debate some of the good issues you all have raised in your postings, but I'm going to have to pass, because it takes "way long" to get my thoughts down on paper--er, screen. There are a lot of conflicting opinions on Lois Lane's character and behavior, but I think that just goes to prove, in the words of Chris Mulder (but in a different context ;-) ), that Lois has the ability to "entrance and infuriate at the same time." Take care, Peggy, :-) LLL (Lois Lane Liker), but not TDOLL. gremlino@pathway.net Looking forward to discussing fanfiction, which was the reason I subscribed anyway, before being seduced by the fascinating subjects thrown open for discussion. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:05:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: TAN Re: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) In-Reply-To: <199902260843_MC2-6BF4-689A@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:43 AM 2/26/1999 -0500, Pam wrote: >Well, not me... but then I've never read the book, only seen the movie, and >I absolutely *despised* Scarlett O'Hara for an immature, stupid *brat* so I >try not to think about it... I thought the same thing when I saw the movie, then I read the book and realized *why* she was like that. The whole story takes place between the time she's 13 and 20! Somehow, her "insane" crush on Ashley suddenly made sense to me Margaret %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:45:09 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Kerth Award Nominations:D In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990225213704.007be6d0@capitalnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:37:04 -0500 Margaret Brignell wrote: > I have just seen my name on the Nominations list (three times...Wow!), and > just wanted to thank everyone who nominated me:) > ...of whom I'm one! And likewise, I would like to thank everyone who nominated me - I'm honoured and delighted to have received so many entries on the Nominations List when I've only been writing for less than a year. Thank you everyone. And good luck to all of the nominees - I'm going to find it very difficult to make a choice in many of the categories! Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:53:16 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Christina Batouli Subject: Re: character ages? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I think Loi sis 30 in the last season because she says she's "only 26" in the Pilot. Add four years and... I also think that she's one or two years older than Clark (1.5 years?) I don't know where I heard this (Or even if I really did) but I've read it in countless fanfics. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:54:01 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain >Is that a rumor, or have the actors confirmed it? I think that Sandra Bullock >would make a great Lois Lane! :) I'm praying it's a rumor, because, sorry to disagree here, but I don't think I could stand a different Lois Lane. I mean, maybe, if I'd never seen the show, I wouldn't mind so much, but TH *is* Lois to me now. And as for Cage as Clark, well, let's just say that my views on the subject should not be aired in public. Rachel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:36:46 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: combo: lots of stuff << I wouldn't want Lois's desk next to mine in the office--or Cat's or Linda's, either. >> I don't know if I'd want Lois's desk next to mine, but I do think Lois would be a wonderful employee to have. Sure, sometimes she gets riled up about something and does what she wants, but where does that seem to lead her? Right into the heart of the story, then onto the front page. << It was her acceptance of LL that ragged on me so much the first time I watched the show. If she loved Superman, why did she accept Lex? And why did independent career woman Lois Lane need to marry at all? >> Why does any woman *need* to marry at all? They don't. I don't think Lois's acceptance of Lex's proposal was because of a need to marry. I just think that everything around her was falling apart and she reached out for something to hold on to and she came up with Lex. Planet employees were losing their jobs even before the buildling was bombed, she confides in Clark about Lex's proposal and what does he do? He tells her that *he* loves her, too. She even grasps for Superman, who slides right out of her grasp (must be all the slick hair gel ;) Sure, it was *Lex* who was making everything around her collapse, but Lois didn't know that. I think she was impressed by his sterling exterior (like the rest of Metropolis, heck, the world, was) and I'm sure she wasn't very familiar with being loved. It'd be easy to mistake Lex's flattery and (at first) sticky-sweet exterior for love, especially if you don't think you've really been loved. Also, I'm sure there was a certain element of "one of the richest guys in the world loves *you* and wants to marry *you.* You'd be a fool not to say yes" in her thinking. << I really missed her when she was replaced by that woman so strangely lacking in self-confidence who cried that she'd never be the kind of wife CK wanted. The first Lois was a lot more fun! >> I know the wife/mother line from OP has been commented upon to death, but I wanted to add something about the 'strangely lacking in self-confidence' line, which I hope hasn't been commented upon to death. I don't think Lois was ever all that self-confident. She appeared that way in the beginning, but, as some have said, it was likely a cover for never feeling good enough. In fact, I think Lois may *grow* in self-confidence, and I'm remembering in particular TTNBM where Perry (in the first go-round of the Planet scene) says to Clark something along the lines of "confidence is one thing your wife does not lack, Kent." I think Lois's reporting gets better with Clark, as does her personal life. Sure, she may not be confident that she'd make a good mother, but was she confident about that in the first season? She'd never have considered motherhood and that says a lot for how much Lois grew. << Kathy (who loved the PDA in L&C, and would have been just as happy if they did more of it -- at work, at home, in the shower , whereever ... that's what makes it a fantasy show. ;)) >> The PDAs were fun, probably because Lois and Clark were in the newsroom most of the time and we just love to see them touch, kiss, etc, that we didn't care where it was. One thing that does bother me, though, is (and I think this is just in fanfic- I can't think of any examples in the show) when Clark or Lois introduce the other as "my wife/husband" to someone they are either interviewing or working with. I think that is completely unprofessional and inappropriate. While they are at work, it doesn't matter that they are married and their relationship while at the Planet is defined by the fact that they're a reporting team, not husband and wife. << I can't point out specifics, I just know that of all four seasons I've rewatched the eps in season 4 the least (often I've only seen any given fourth season episode once--the first time it aired). >> I also don't rewatch many 4th season episodes, but for me it has nothing to do with Lois being melancholy or less confident. I think some of the episodes were lacking in something (some kind of charge I got used to seeing the other seasons). But I think it was lacking that something in every way. The writing, at times, didn't seem as zippy(?), and neither did the acting. I don't think it was Lois's (or Clark's) character at all. There were, of course, episodes that made me think, "this is the reason why I fell in love with this show"- AKAS, LW, MJD, to name a few (and there are more). Especially AKAS, I thought, had the energy that seemed to be missing from some of the other episodes. I will still watch whatever episode is airing on TNT anytime I get the chance (since even if the energy of L&C in season 4 wasn't what I think it was earlier in the show, it's better than most any other show), but I don't find myself digging out my tape of, say, LotF or TPvLL very often. There were also episodes in earlier seasons that I didn't particularly like, but for me it felt like season 4 was generally not as energetic and exciting as the earlier seasons, for the most part. Maybe because it ended on such a sour note that that's all I think about when I watch S4. << Like *real* people, both Lois and Clark kept growing and learning. >> And wouldn't it have been a boring show if they hadn't? That's why, even though there are many S4 episodes I don't like, the show is still wonderful to me. If the whole show had had the same quality as first season, it would've gotten really boring really fast. Thanks for your wonderful post defending Lois, Zoom. I wish I'd been on-line during season 1 to back you up. My father just discovered the show when I recorded some of it from TNT and I would forever argue with him. He thinks Lois was mean and nasty in S1 and can hardly stand to watch the episodes. I've defended her to him, but it's been an uphill battle since I can't *prove* that Lois's insecurities were causing her meanness and he wants *proof*... << I figure Martha Kent was born in 1940 and that Jonathan is a couple of years older. [snip] we agreed that Martha was probabbly quite young when she married Jonathan. The problem was that the show had been a bit contradictory on the length of the Kents' marriage before they found Clark. >> When I was first starting the Martha series I'm working on, I sent a message to this list asking for opinions on Martha and Jonathan's ages, especially considering the contradictions on the length of their marriage. I finally decided on a birthdate of June 30, 1937 for Martha and a somewhat more nebulous "sometime in 1936" for Jonathan. (Even made a timeline to keep all the dates I needed straight ;) However, I was suprised over how many folcs replied to me privately and said that they believed Martha to be older than Jonathan. I don't think there has been anything to suggest this in the show, but that was a common response. Whew! Sorry this post was so long but I've been saving up messages to reply to when I had time. (Thank God it'll soon be spring break ;) -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:45:16 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: character ages? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-26 08:31:44 EST, Ccmalo@AOL.COM writes: << On the show, I thought Dr. Klein looked to be in his early fifties. >> I would think this too. Sorry, Kathy, but as someone already in therir 40's, I always felt that Dr Klein was older than me. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:53:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) In-Reply-To: <000e01be6118$21986f20$6731e7d0@gremlino> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Peggy: It seems to me I did a paragraph in a combo post about this subject a few weeks ago. I think I drew parallels between Scarlett and LL, and Rhett as CK. I will look for it if you like:) At the time, I was wondering if everyone would think I had gone round the bend. Glad to see you see what I saw Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu >>; ) Margaret eventually divorced the businessman, and married the >>newspaperman, who'd remained her very good friend throughout. She >>continued to work on her romance novel in her spare time, and we *all* >>know what that turned out to be ;) >> >>and for those of you who are still awake, >> >No, this is fascinating! I don't want to reopen the subject if it's already >been talked to death, but...have many fans drawn a parallel between "Gone >With the Wind" and L&CTNAOS? The GWTW story leaped out at me when I >started watching the series and I wondered how many other people saw a >resemblance. (I did notice that the novel was mentioned in the >story "Identity Crisis," but I think that's the only time I've seen a >reference to it.) > >Peggy :-) >gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:54:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mandy Crustner Subject: Re: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just have to jump in here! :) On my "Fanfic Ideas" list I have one listed where Lois is watching GWTW and falls asleep and has a dream about it. I've got a pretty good bit of it mapped out and one of these years I ought to be able to get around to writing it :) Mandy Back to lurkdom and working on When Separate Worlds Collide Book 2 Carolyn wrote: >Hi Peggy: > >It seems to me I did a paragraph in a combo post about this subject a few >weeks ago. I think I drew parallels between Scarlett and LL, and Rhett as >CK. I will look for it if you like:) > >At the time, I was wondering if everyone would think I had gone round the >bend. Glad to see you see what I saw > > >Thanks, >Carolyn >cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu > >>>; ) Margaret eventually divorced the businessman, and married the >>>newspaperman, who'd remained her very good friend throughout. She >>>continued to work on her romance novel in her spare time, and we *all* >>>know what that turned out to be ;) >>> >>>and for those of you who are still awake, >>> >>No, this is fascinating! I don't want to reopen the subject if it's already >>been talked to death, but...have many fans drawn a parallel between "Gone >>With the Wind" and L&CTNAOS? The GWTW story leaped out at me when I >>started watching the series and I wondered how many other people saw a >>resemblance. (I did notice that the novel was mentioned in the >>story "Identity Crisis," but I think that's the only time I've seen a >>reference to it.) >> >>Peggy :-) >>gremlino@pathway.net > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:33:08 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: combo: Partners, characters ages In-Reply-To: <009D4526.4830BB40.87@kenyon.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 1. Partners Christy wrote: >One thing that does bother me, though, is (and I think this is >just in fanfic- I can't think of any examples in the show) when Clark or Lois >introduce the other as "my wife/husband" to someone they are either >interviewing or working with. I think that is completely unprofessional and >inappropriate. While they are at work, it doesn't matter that they are >married and their relationship while at the Planet is defined by the fact that >they're a reporting team, not husband and wife. I agree, this always distracts me out of a fic, too. As a matter of fact, in the story I am currently working on (my S6 episode), I have Lois introduce herself on a conference call as "Lois Lane, Clark's partner at the Planet" (Clark intiated the call and Lois is listening in, until she wants to ask a question, too.) Only later in the call, when a reference to Clark's family is made, do he and Lois feel they need to explain that they are also married and have a young daughter. (LOL, I can just see this starting another "pet peeve in fanfic" thread. OK, I'll admit it now -- I've on rare occasion had Clark call Lois "baby" in fanfics, but only in private, and usually in the ... ahem .. heat of passion. ;)) 2. Characters ages: At 9:53 AM -0800 2/26/99, Christina Batouli wrote: >I think Loi sis 30 in the last season because she says she's "only 26" >in the Pilot. Add four years and... This "contradiction" is easy to explain ... the Pilot actually took place in May 1993, not September when it aired. We find this out in the S3 episode "Supermann" because there is a date of May 1993 posted on the bottom of the screen when they awaken and see Superman do an early rescue. So, in May 1993, Lois is 26. She turned 27 that fall, in Sept/Oct. This agrees with the tombstone in Tempus, Anyone. >I also think that she's one or two years older than Clark (1.5 years?) >I don't know where I heard this (Or even if I really did) but I've read >it in countless fanfics. Nope, the show gave birth years for each, and Clark is 1.5 years older than Lois. But you are right, many early fanfics did have Lois being a year or two older than Clark, probably because Lois was further along in her career than Clark was when he joined the DP. These fics were most likely written before the third season, when we find out both Lois and Clark's official birthdays/months. At 7:22 AM -0500 2/26/99, Ann E. McBride wrote: >In T:JO Jimmy says he is 20. However, continuity editors messed up, because >in season 1, in All Shook Up, Jimmy tells Perry he's 21. Well, as I think someone already mentioned, the actors changed, and you kind of have to discount S1 continuity in that regard. Justin Whalin was brought in specifically because he was younger (and was blonder -- some critics said that Michael Landis looked too much like Dean Cain, and fans would be confused. I think the critics were just clueless, but hey. ;)) So, I'd go by what Justin's Jimmy said in T:JO. As for the Pilot script describing Michael's Jimmy as "21 but looks years younger", I say "what were they smoking??" I always thought Michael's Jimmy looked to be about Lois and Clark's age, and I found this unique and charming in the Pilot. I liked that TPTB had purposedly (so I thought) made Jimmy L&C's contempory -- I thought that was a neat twist to have Jimmy and Clark be able to real friends, not just have a "big brother/little brother" relationship, which is what the producers went for with Justin. Carol wrote and Laurie agreed, << On the show, I thought Dr. Klein looked to be in his early fifties. >> Actually, the more I think about it, this was my first instinct (late 40's maybe) and I'm going to change my vote. I agree. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:42:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: combo: Partners, characters ages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kathy wrote: <(LOL, I can just see this starting another "pet peeve in fanfic" thread. OK, I'll admit it now -- I've on rare occasion had Clark call Lois "baby" in fanfics, but only in private, and usually in the ... ahem .. heat of passion. ;))> Yes!! However, since it wasn't in the boardroom, but in private, like on a camping trip or something, that is okay. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:58:29 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Partners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Christy wrote: >>One thing that does bother me, though, is (and I think this is >>just in fanfic- I can't think of any examples in the show) when Clark or Lois >>introduce the other as "my wife/husband" to someone they are either >>interviewing or working with. I think that is completely unprofessional and >>inappropriate. While they are at work, it doesn't matter that they are >>married and their relationship while at the Planet is defined by the fact that >>they're a reporting team, not husband and wife. > And Kathy seconded: > >I agree, this always distracts me out of a fic, too. > Thanks guys, for sorting out a personal niggle (and without being asked too! You guys are the best!). In my own fanfic, CAPED FEAR, I put in a segment where Clark introduced Lois as his wife (with good reason as it happened) and then had to field her annoyance because it was against their personal policy - they always introduced one another as partners when working. Indeed, later in the story, Clark introduces himself as "Clark Kent, Miss Lane's partner." And later still, both of them are disconcerted when an interviewee tags them as husband and wife and then tells them his organization has researchers just like the Planet. I did it almost without thinking, but it's always bothered me just a little as I wondered whether it was out of sync with the vast bulk of general fan opinion. In fact I quite expected to be challenged on it at some point, but I never was. Nice to see that I wasn't quite as out on a limb as I suspected I might be and I'm not the only one who went in that direction. Also......thanks to whoever it was who introduced the characters age thread and everyone who's posted on it. Just that very morning I'd decided I needed to know for the nfic I'm currently working on and was anticipating having to break to haul out my videos for some research. Are you guys pyschic or something? Luckily, I decided to download my mail first. ;) LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat - labrat@dircon.co.uk. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:50:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carolyn said: >It seems to me I did a paragraph in a combo post about this subject a few >weeks ago. I think I drew parallels between Scarlett and LL, and Rhett as >CK. I will look for it if you like:) If it's not too much trouble, I'd love to hear what you have to say on the subject. You can post it to the list or email me privately. I don't wish to reopen this subject if everyone's sick of it, and I'm trying not to spend too much time writing right now, but I like to read what everyone else has said on the topic. I'm going to go to Deja News, too, and see if I can find something on the subject. > >At the time, I was wondering if everyone would think I had gone round the >bend. Glad to see you see what I saw > Yes, the stories seemed to have some parallels, at least in the love "triangle": the headstrong woman stubbornly clinging to her childish infatuation for a man she can never hope to have; a man who also loves her, and out of weakness unwisely encourages her, even though he knows that their love can never be; and the *other* man who quietly looks out for her and watches over her while hiding his love under a facade of mockery and teasing--Lois as Scarlett, Superman as Ashley, and Clark as Rhett. Thanks. Again, only if it's not too much trouble. :-) Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:51:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Fanfic Challenge--was Touching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I seemed to have missed your post earlier, Joy--sorry about that; yes, of course, I'd love to read your story! Send it to me when it's finished, I'll look forward to it! Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net >I'll take that challenge! But, under one condition. Peggy, you will have to >read it before I post it. That way if it really stinks then, at least I can >share the blame. Of course, if doesn't totally suck, I can share the praise. > JOY:) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:58:00 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: IRC Tutorial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/26/99 8:04:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, Lansbury1@AOL.COM writes: > > This year's Kerth Awards will once again be at IRC. I have decided to offer > an IRC Tutorial again for anyone who wants to attend. > > Please let me know if you would like to participate. Once I have gotten a > list of people who want to attend the tutorial I will post a mutually agreed > upon time and date. Last year, during the tutorials, it was helpful to have adept IRCers available to take the newer people into IM for more detailed instructions if there was a problem. I would be happy to help out with this again... would you like others to volunteer as "tutors" as well? Just a thought :) -Crys- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:04:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Fanfic Challenge--was Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll work on it this weekend. I spent most of today working on the sequel to my second fanfic. I'll send it to you on Monday if I have the time to work on it over the weekend. :) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:54:36 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Partners In-Reply-To: <003f01be61e4$06faf3a0$053570c2@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:58 PM +0000 2/26/99, LabRat wrote: > In my own fanfic, CAPED FEAR, I put in a segment >where Clark introduced Lois as his wife (with good reason as it happened) >and then had to field her annoyance because it was against their personal >policy - they always introduced one another as partners when working. I can support this in real life as well. I have a friend who met and married her husband while we all worked together. Later, she went on to work in a different part of the company, and he left the company all together - but, in the ultimate irony, his new company (a supplier of sorts for ours) assigned him to do work for his wife's department!! Since they have different last names, few people (unless they've been around awhile) know they are related, and they prefer to keep it that way. They even chose not to attend the company Christmas party because they just didn't want to open that can of worms. So, I can certainly see L&C instituting this policy for themselves. They aren't ashamed of anything -- they just see no reason to distract people with their personal relationship. Kathy ("Are you a thing?" "What?" "You know, a thing. You look like a thing .. not a very happy thing ..." ;)) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:56:17 -0500 Reply-To: nightsky@erols.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genevieve Subject: Kerth Nominated Stories Web Site Comments: To: LOISCLA@VM.EGE.EDU.TR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, after three days, I've got links to all the stories nominated for Kerths up at . Whenever possible, I've included another link to the author's homepage or personal archives. If anyone knows of any other sites (or if you find some links that don't work) please let me know. Enjoy! I'm going out of town this weekend, but I'm printing out a bunch of stories to take with me. ____________________________________________________________________ Genevieve Clemens Lots of great stuff on my webpage Read the Great Lois and Clark stories nominated for Kerth Awards ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:25:36 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Partners Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I just thought I'd add my tuppence to this little thread. I have to say that I don't agree that it is always in bad taste for them to tell someone that they are married. I think that if one of them is introducing the other to a person who is soon to be a coworker they ought to add on that they are also married. I knew two people who worked together and I didn't figure out they were married for an extremely long time. I only discovered it when I made an embarassing faux pas that I don't even want to think about. That said, thanks for letting me share. Rachel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:29:18 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: IRC Tutorial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Pardon the ignorance. I'm new to this whole IRC world. Could someone explain how one even gets on IRC? Pleeeease? Rachel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:52:19 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain >Why is *Clark's* insecurity seen as "loving and caring" but Lois' is out of >character? Lois *always* cared, but because she wore her "I'm so tough" mask >first season, she decried and hid positive emotions, viewing them as a sign of >weakness. > Thanks for saying this in a *much* better way than I could. I wanted to say this, but somehow... >Why in the world would Lois want to be "competitive" when it came to >motherhood? Is she in a race against someone? Is an award involved? ;) >Even women who have wanted children and had good parents who were good role >models, experience insecurities when it comes to parenting. Lois' >insecurities stemmed from the fact that her parents didn't make marriage and >parenting "look like fun" (as Clark described his parents) Lois' parents made >it look like "root canal" Another good phrasing. Don't worry, I'm adding something here. Like you said before about Lois hiding her problems and just putting on a tough face to the world, I think this is a great example of this. Although, I have to say that she probably would feel the need to be a GREAT parent, just because she likes to be the best. However, after the first kid, I'm pretty sure she'd settle for just being able to sleep sometimes. >Lois was "melancholy" fourth season? You'll have to point out the parts where >Lois experienced loads and loads of joy first season for me That's so me. I loved the last two seasons. Okay, I loved it all, but I loved those the best. I thought she did a much more dramatic portrayal and she got to really stretch her acting skills with that non wedding clone arc. Uuuugh. "You should see her with silverware, it's not a pretty sight." > LOL!!! My favorite is when he says "We'll just take it away" The look on their faces is priceless. I still laugh insanely everytime I watch it, which is why I watch it alone, not in my dorm. They already think I'm nuts. > >Zoomway@aol.com Okay, I'll shut up and go do something boring, but useful like homework. Rachel rtenha@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:03:06 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Margaret wrote: >>I can't pin down exactly what it was, but I too found season 4 "melancholy", or depressing, or...I'm not sure exactly what the right term would be. I know what you mean. I think it had to do with the plots where instead of saving the world from evil villains or horrendous natural disasters, half of the fourth season's plots had Lois and Clark trying to save themselves from some weirdo. It was depressing to see them dealing with all the potentially lethal personal attacks. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:18:31 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: TAN Re: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit With regards to Gone With the Wind, I read the book before I saw the movie, and I heartily despised Scarlett in both versions. She always seemed selfish, spoiled and essentially shallow. Lois at her worst, is much nicer than Scarlett could ever be. One other instance of Lois' not greatest traits: In the Return of the Prankster, she uses Clark's question to get the President to open up and when Perry comments to Jimmy and Clark that it was a great question and the mark of a great reporter, she reacts as if it was her idea, not mentioning that Clark had suggested the question. Clark, on the other hand, just smiles and agrees. Then, when Jimmy says, "She's a class act, CK," Clark says "I've always thought so." Ann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:24:22 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: character ages? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Teri is a year or so older than Dean, but in the show he arrives in Smallville in 1966; and the date on Lois's tombstone in the alternate Metropolis in Tempus Anyone? is 1967-1993. So in the show, Lois is a year younger than Clark. Interestingly enough, though, in It's A Small World, they are going to her tenth reunion from high school. That would fit with the 1967 birthdate, but the quarterback character makes a comment about being 30, which doesn't fit at all unless he was a REALLY dumb jock and didn't graduate until he was 20. LOL There are some fanfics where Lois is a year or two older than Clark. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:58:07 +0000 Reply-To: wbarbara@execpc.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Barbara Knutson Subject: Re: TAN Re: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) On 26 Feb 99 at 11:05, Margaret Brignell wrote: > At 08:43 AM 2/26/1999 -0500, Pam wrote: > >Well, not me... but then I've never read the book, only seen the movie, and > >I absolutely *despised* Scarlett O'Hara for an immature, stupid *brat* so I > >try not to think about it... > > I thought the same thing when I saw the movie, then I read the book and > realized *why* she was like that. The whole story takes place between the > time she's 13 and 20! Somehow, her "insane" crush on Ashley suddenly made > sense to me You're a bit off here, Margaret - Scarlett is 16 ("going on 17") when the book opens - she's "dating", old enough to go to balls, and old enough to get married. But being so pretty and so pampered, she has no real grasp of the real world. At the end of the book, when she's finally given up on Ashley, she's 28. Rhett asks her, when she's trying to get him not to leave, and says "you never would tell me - how old are you?" Which mkes her inability to see the "true" Ashley, despite all her business smarts, truly sad. "Throwing away happiness with both hands" was how Rhett described it. Lois, God bless her, had/has a *lot* more smarts. Barbara GWTW freak > > Margaret > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > Margaret Brignell > brignell@capitalnet.com > Ottawa, Canada > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ wbarbara@execpc.com WAFFyBarb on IRC Brand-new-wife of Jon Knutson - the most wonderful man alive And a believer that fairy tales *can* come true.... check out his website, since Tripod won't let me into mine http://www.execpc.com/~waffyjon/index.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:28:04 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: Re: IRC Tutorial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/99 12:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, JCWimmer@AOL.COM writes: << I would be happy to help out with this again >> Thank you Crystal for offering to help. If there is anyone else who would like to help please let me know. All help will be appreciated. Annie Lansbury :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:49:33 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Partners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01BE623E.DC767E00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BE623E.DC767E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rachel wrote: >I just thought I'd add my tuppence to this little thread. I have to say >that I don't agree that it is always in bad taste for them to tell >someone that they are married. I think that if one of them is >introducing the other to a person who is soon to be a coworker they >ought to add on that they are also married. I knew two people who = worked >together and I didn't figure out they were married for an extremely = long >time. I only discovered it when I made an embarassing faux pas that I >don't even want to think about. That said, thanks for letting me >share. > Have to say, Rachel that I agree with you. Personally, I don't see much = wrong with letting colleagues and acquaintances know that you are = married. In fact, as you point out, it seems just a little cruel not to! = I'd say that in a situation such as you describe the occasional faux pas = is unavoidable! Even if you are determined to keep your personal and = business lives completely separate, the *knowledge* of your married = status isn't the problem per se. So long as you *act* professionally = (having taken that decision personally I mean. If you are into PDA = that's fine too! ) then you achieve the effect you want, surely? It = seems a slight overkill to sign the Official Secrets Act too. My take in CF was slightly different, I have to point out. Clark and = Lois hadn't come to the decision because they especially wanted to = distance themselves professionally at work from their marriage. = (Considering those PDAs that's a given!) It was simply that they had = observed - right back to when they were simply engaged - that it got in = the way when interviewing if their relationship was known. Male = interviewees immediately relegated Lois to the background and assumed = Clark was in charge. That kind of thing. Lois of course, as I mentioned = at the time, was never one to let herself be condescended to and usually = made sure the perpetrator was put right - and put down - but when you're = trying to get information out a reluctant interviewee that's not always = the best way to go about it, so they figured it was easiest if they just = kept strictly to partners when working and avoided the problem = altogether.=20 (And yes, I know that Lois immediately introducing Clark as her fianc=E9 = in VD slightly contradicts this POV, but Jaxon was a flake and that was = a special circumstance and besides they hadn't really taken on board = that there was a problem there by that point.) :D Otherwise, I'm sure that Clark takes quiet delight in introducing Lois = as his wife whenever he can. He's so proud of her - and of the fact that = he's her husband. I can't see him not wanting to let everyone he can = know.=20 LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat =20 labrat@dircon.co.uk. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BE623E.DC767E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>I just thought I'd add my tuppence to this little = thread. I have=20 to say
>that I don't agree that it is always in bad taste for them = to=20 tell
>someone that they are married. I think that if one of them=20 is
>introducing the other to a person who is soon to be a coworker = they
>ought to add on that they are also married. I knew two = people who=20 worked
>together and I didn't figure out they were married for an=20 extremely long
>time. I only discovered it when I made an = embarassing faux=20 pas that I
>don't even want to think about. <g>  That = said,=20 thanks for letting me
>share. <bg>
>
Have to say, Rachel that I agree with you. = Personally, I=20 don't see much wrong with letting colleagues and acquaintances know that = you are=20 married. In fact, as you point out, it seems just a little cruel not to! = I'd say=20 that in a situation such as you describe the occasional faux pas is = unavoidable!=20 Even if you are determined to keep your personal and business lives = completely=20 separate, the *knowledge* of your married status isn't the problem per = se. So=20 long as you *act* professionally (having taken that decision personally = I mean.=20 If you are into PDA that's fine too! <g>) then you achieve the = effect you=20 want, surely? It seems a slight overkill to sign the Official Secrets = Act=20 too.
 
My take in CF was = slightly=20 different, I have to point out.  Clark and Lois hadn't come to the = decision=20 because they especially wanted to distance themselves professionally at = work=20 >from their marriage. (Considering those PDAs that's a given!) It was = simply that=20 they had observed - right back to when they were simply engaged - that = it got in=20 the way when interviewing if their relationship was known. Male = interviewees=20 immediately relegated Lois to the background and assumed Clark was in = charge.=20 That kind of thing. Lois of course, as I mentioned at the time, was = never one to=20 let herself be condescended to and usually made sure the perpetrator was = put=20 right - and put down - but when you're trying to get information out a = reluctant=20 interviewee that's not always the best way to go about it, so they = figured it=20 was easiest if they just kept strictly to partners when working and = avoided the=20 problem altogether.
 
(And yes, I know that = Lois=20 immediately introducing Clark as her fiancé in VD slightly = contradicts=20 this POV, but Jaxon was a flake and that was a special circumstance and = besides=20 they hadn't really taken on board that there was a problem there by that = point.)=20 :D
 
Otherwise, I'm sure = that Clark=20 takes quiet delight in introducing Lois as his wife whenever he can. = He's so=20 proud of her - and of the fact that he's her husband. I can't see him = not=20 wanting to let everyone he can know.
 
 
LabRat = :)
Doc. Klein's = LabRat  =20
labrat@dircon.co.uk.
= ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BE623E.DC767E00-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:33:17 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eileen Barnard Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Ann E. McBride To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: 26 February 1999 19:03 Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long >Margaret wrote: >>>I can't pin down exactly what it was, but I too found season 4 >"melancholy", or depressing, or...I'm not sure exactly what the right term >would be. Actually, apart from all the plots against Lois and Clark, I think Season 4 was a bit depressing as well. I wondered whether this was because a lot of the anticipation between the the couple had disappeared (all the on-off engagements and weddings got a bit much in the end). I liked the way Season 4 explored their developing married relationship but I would have preferred to see more of the save the world stuff. Eileen eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:13:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 AM 2/27/99 -0800, Eileen Barnard wrote: >Actually, apart from all the plots against Lois and Clark, I think Season 4 >was a bit depressing as well. I wondered whether this was because a lot of >the anticipation between the the couple had disappeared (all the on-off >engagements and weddings got a bit much in the end). I liked the way Season >4 explored their developing married relationship but I would have preferred >to see more of the save the world stuff. I'm one of those who loved seasons 3 and 4 most, to the point that I can hardly watch seasons 1 and 2 because I'm so impatient of Lois not being in on the secret and embarrassed by the behavior (both Clark's and Lois's) that arose from that. Anticipation never was a big thing for me, and I adore exploring what being Superman does to L&C's marriage (so it's not surprising that I wrote for TUFS, S5, and S6 :). The only reason season 4 seems melancholy to me has nothing to do with the season and everything to do with what was going on around it. Our show was dying/being killed during the 4th season, and nothing we did seemed to make any difference, so the memory of that long, losing battle for L&C taints my feelings toward the episodes, especially from the Lex Files Trilogy on. April, May, and June 1997 were tough months :{ Sheila Harper ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:25:22 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: TV Movie Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/25/99 3:23:59 AM !!!First Boot!!!, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes: << They don't. ;) {want to make a new movie} Kathy No doubt but neither did Shatner and Nemoy when Star Trek was cancelled, but we know what happened there. Not saying we'll ever get the film we want but I still intend to keep trying. P.S. On the Superman newsgroup, one of my favorite people (kal-El...) suggested a minseries on TV and I think that's an even better idea than a movie. Charlotte >> ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:25:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: TAN Re: Gone WT Wind, was Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> One other instance of Lois' not greatest traits: In the Return of the= Prankster, she uses Clark's question to get the President to open up and when Perry comments to Jimmy and Clark that it was a great question and the ma= rk of a great reporter, she reacts as if it was her idea, not mentioning that Clark had suggested the question. Clark, on the other hand, just smiles and agrees. Then, when Jimmy says, "She's a class act, CK," Clark says "I've always thought so." << Not to beat up on Lois, but ... I thoroughly agree here. A real "class act" would have smiled and said that well, it was Clark's idea, really. = If she needed to, she could have added that *her* genius consisted of recognizing how great a question it was Even though Clark clearly didn't mind her appropriation of his question (the boy's in love...), thi= s was their boss she was talking to, and it would have been much more professional to share the credit. PJ (who always thinks of "Murder Must Advertise" by Dorothy Sayers in connection with this incident... there was an explanation of this very protocol in there. If you use someone else's idea and the boss likes it, you must share credit. If the boss doesn't like it, it's your own d*mn fault for being stupid enough to use it, and the other chap doesn't come into it.) !^NavFont02F0427000EMGJHH81MH83HKo402B Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com) ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ It's KERTH time! Read all about it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html ~~~~~ Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ (I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could ) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:50:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Doris Schmill Subject: Downloading Fanfics: Help Needed In-Reply-To: <42a8db46.36d80e62@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, guys, Does anyone out there download the fanfics from the Archive regularly and keeps a complete Archive of them on their own hard disk at home? I need help completing and keeping my own fanfic collection up to date. I missed downloading fanfics for several months, including at the end of last year. When I finally made a trip to the Archive a few days ago, I had to find out that the "New" section only goes to the beginning of the year now. Thus I could no longer download the stories I had missed at the end of last year. I have no idea how to find them as I know neither title nor author. I also find it difficult to navigate the web because I am blind and using my computer with speech. Some things are a bit more difficult there. I am hoping that one of you out there keeps their own archive and would be willing to email me the stories I missed and maybe even forward me the new ones.I would erally, really appreciate that. If you can help, please email me privately at: dorisschmill@gmx.net Also does anyone know if the Archive again has an ftp site for downloading stories? If so, I would be grateful if you would let me know where to find it. I hope to hear from you soon. Take care, Doris at dorisschmill@gmx.net OR schmill@mail.students.go-on.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:22:12 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Downloading Fanfics: Help Needed In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990227115003.015e4340@pop.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:50 AM -0500 2/27/99, Doris Schmill wrote: > When I finally made a trip to the Archive a few days ago, I had to >find out that the "New" section only goes to the beginning of the year now. >Thus I could no longer download the stories I had missed at the end of last >year. I have no idea how to find them as I know neither title nor author. Doris, if you click on "What's New", you'll find near the top of that page another link -- "Stories uploaded by Date". If you click on this link, you will indeed find a search vehicle that lists every month/year since April 1996, and a list of what stories were uploaded in that month. This should provide you (and everyone else) a pretty straight-forward way to get stories you may have missed. >Also does anyone know if the Archive again has an ftp site for downloading >stories? If so, I would be grateful if you would let me know where to find it. This I don't know, but since I haven't heard of it, my guess would be no, we don't have an FTP site. I remember this was requested by a couple fans some time ago, but at that time, we didn't have the capability to set one up. I have no idea if we are able to do that now or not. Lauren or Demi, could I pursuade either of you to come out of lurkdom to answer this one? Thanks, Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:41:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: FTP and the Fanfic Archive In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:22 AM 27/02/99 -0600, Doris wrote: >>Also does anyone know if the Archive again has an ftp site for downloading >>stories? If so, I would be grateful if you would let me know where to find it. At 11:22 AM 27/02/99 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote: >Lauren or Demi, could I pursuade either of you to come out of lurkdom to >answer this one? LOL sure Kathy ;) The answer to that question is YES We do have the ability now -- I just hadn't set anything up until this morning, for lack of requests and time mostly.. but it's done now.. ;P In fact, if anyone were to use their FTP client or browser to ANONYMOUSLY FTP to the address: lcfanfic.actwd.com -- they would see a directory there called "STORIES" -- (remember, you must use the ftp:// command in your browser, not the http:// command or you will simply hit the archive main page on the web :) ...if you go inside of that [STORIES] directory, you will then see a huge long list of filenames, pertaining to all of the stories currently housed in the archive. ;) Now.. before browserless people rejoice, there's still a hitch! What we're NOT up to date on, at the moment (because it's a huge job and would take up copious amounts of someone's real life to get done ) is a completed 0-INDEX.TXT file which is current to today's date, unfortunately. So if people were to go in there and use FTP, they'd pretty much have to either already know the filename of the story they're looking for OR simply download whatever they'd like to -- blind. There IS an 0-INDEX.TXT file there which was updated until the end of 1997, but since we hadn't access to a responsible FTP server after that, until much later, we despaired of ever using it again! Needless to say the file needs a wee bit of updating Hopefully we'll have the completed 0-INDEX.TXT file (or something like it) soon, however, as I said, there are over 700 stories to be cross referenced, it'll probably take someone a full couple of days to get it done, and since we all have real life 'work' as well... that may end up being broken down into several two or three hour sessions. Bear with us! (I say this now -- though knowing SUPERLauren she'll probably have a suggestion within a few hours LOL -- Either way, we'll try FoLCs.. ) Until then, feel free to look around in the FTP directory, you can only download or view files from there, there's no access to upload your own work or to delete other files (sorry ) NOTE: This is primarily a facility for people who DON'T (DO NOT) have access to a good or current WEB BROWSER like Internet Explorer or Netscape -- if you DO have a browser, I wouldn't worry about the FTP archive at all, it's an older access format and more confusing to search through than the web archive. Take Care All! Demi ___________________________________________ Demi/Demona Archive Coordinator demona@shaw.wave.ca or demi22@aol.com WWW - http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/ FTP - ftp.lcfanfic.actwd.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:19:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Fanfic Challenge--was Touching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peggy wrote: Challenge accepted and executed. Peggy, it should be in you e-mail box now. Let me know if it is okay before I post it!! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:54:32 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Small question!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hey everyone!!! I have a small favor to ask. Does anyone have Dean cains addres or where he lives? I just would like to know. I mean not the fan mail address his reall address. Thanks in advance Annobelle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:05:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jocelyn R Hoffman Subject: Fwd: Mailing Lists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just thought this was funny!! ~Jocelyn > Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? > > A: 1,343 - 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list > that the light bulb has been changed; > > 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the > light bulb could have been changed differently; > > 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs; > > 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light > bulbs; > > 53 to flame the spell checkers; > > 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames; > > 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb"; > > another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive; > > 156 to write to the list administrator about the light bulb > discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list; > > 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please > take this email exchange to litebulb-l; > > 203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-l, spelling-l and > illuminati-l about changing light bulbs be stopped; > > 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light > bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this mail list; > > 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where > to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for > this technique and what brands are faulty; > > 27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs; > > 14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and the post the > corrected URL's; > > 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to > this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list; > > 33 to link all posts to date, then quote them including all headers > and footers and then add "Me too"; > > 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they > cannot handle the light bulb controversy; > > 19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three"; > > 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ; > > 44 to ask what is "FAQ"; > > 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago on > Usenet?" > > 143 to ask "what's Usenet?" > The Good, Clean Funnies List: Good, clean funnies five times a week, FOR FREE! > > Send email to gcfl-info@gcfl.net for subscription information. > Or, use our web page -> http://www.gcfl.net == Jocelyn R Hoffman dreaminglight@yahoo.com jocelynr@hotmail.com ICQ # 17261915 <>< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:04:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: Small question!!! In-Reply-To: <19990227215432.14577.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hey everyone!!! Hiya! :) >I have a small favor to ask. Okey doke. :) >Does anyone have Dean cains addres or where he lives? I just would like >to know. I mean not the fan mail address his reall address. Well, I'm not sure about the accuracy of it, but I found the following address on a Netscape Celebrity search. The address I found was: 11718 Darrington Ct. #513 Los Angeles, CA 90049 However, I can't guarantee that's his "real" address. It seems unlikely to me that his real address would be publicized on the internet. Perhaps someone else can clarify? >Thanks in advance You're welcome. :) Although, I'm very curious as to why you'd want Dean's "real" address? Care to tell us? ;) Karen :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:30:27 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/99 9:22:26 AM Central Standard Time, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes: << I'm one of those who loved seasons 3 and 4 most, to the point that I can hardly watch seasons 1 and 2 because I'm so impatient of Lois not being in on the secret and embarrassed by the behavior (both Clark's and Lois's) that arose from that. Anticipation never was a big thing for me, and I adore exploring what being Superman does to L&C's marriage (so it's not surprising that I wrote for TUFS, S5, and S6 :). >> I'm with you on this, Sheila. I love all of the seasons, but I watch third and fourth season the most. First season is the least watched for me, not because I don't like it, but because what I *wanted* and *hoped* for from the series didn't start happening in a real sense until midpoint second season. First season is important to me in that when I go back and see Lois call Clark a "hack from nowheresville" it's an extra special victory to go forward to third and fourth season where Clark is the most important person in her life. I loved Lois being in on the secret, another great victory, and one that was a long time coming There's so much I love about fourth season, it's hard to even know where to start. It even had the return of alternate Clark, which I was so happy to see. It ended on a note of hope that HG Wells would help him find *his* Lois. I wanted so much to see him again after Tempus Anyone and I loved that he met the Kents. Martha even called him "honey" just like with *her* Clark. I thought that was sweet...or maybe it was "sweetie" ;) Great sexual tension in that episode between Lois, missing her Clark so much, and the other being so like him. Wonderful scene from Teri as Lois explaining to alternate Clark that he's really longing for and missing *his* Lois, even though he's never met her, but she's certain that he will find her. Lois and Clark "on the lam" from the law in Dead Lois Walking. There's so many great scenes and dialog in that one episode, I think I could do a synopsis of it purely in banter Here's some of my favorite bits: Clark has just busted Lois out of jail and they're officially "on the lam" now. Aside from the dialog, I also like the fact that Lois is changing clothes in the car in front of Clark Clark: "See any cops?" Lois: "Nope. Listen to us, just to meet us you'd never think of us as Bonnie and Clyde. Of course there is no "Clyde". I'm the one who's the hardened criminal." Clark: "Honey, you are *not* a "hardened criminal"." Lois: "Well, I'm a "wanted fugitive" Clark: "Well, there's a *big* difference." Lois: "That's very comforting." Clark: "Remember that TV show "The Fugitive"? Richard Kimball was the fugitive. He was wrongly convicted, and he escaped to prove his innocence, and eventually, he did." Lois: "How long did it take?" Clark: "I think the show ran four years." Lois: (amused) "I didn't even pack a toothbrush." One of my favorite scenes is when the state trooper shows up at the Cozy Motel where Lois and Clark are hiding out. It turns into a Dragnet deadpan type of humor that cracks me up every time. Dean got so good with comedy: Cop: "Have you seen a mad woman lurking about?" CK: "What kind of mad woman?" Cop: "Vicious, homicidal, maniacal." CK: "A handful." Then Lois steps on a board in the bathroom and causes a "creek" ;) Cop: "Was that a creek?" CK: "Was what a creek?" Cop: "Thought I heard a creek." CK: "I didn't hear a creek." Cop: "Could swear I heard a creek." CK: "It wasn't a creek." Cop: "No creek?" CK: "No creek at all. (Teri then gets doused with a bucket's worth of water, winning the L&C wet t-shirt contest ;) Well, I'll keep my eye peeled for that lunatic. A guy can never be too careful." Clark goes back into the motel room, confronted by a soggy, Lois: Lois: "That *lunatic*? 'A guy can never be too careful'?" Clark: "What did you want me to say? 'Lighten up officer, I'm *married* to that lunatic'?" Lois: "Well, even if I *am* a lunatic, I'm still *your* lunatic." Clark: (amused) "You know that's what I think, honey." There's also the scene of Lois babbling so close to Clark when he's trying to super hear, it's like a "knife" in his head ;) Lois' mom, though missing >from the episode, makes her presence keenly felt, and Lois is so Lois when she orders a "high maintenance" lunch, which causes a mortified Clark to observe: "I'm no expert, but I think that when you're "on the lam" you forego the subtleties of cuisine in favor of staying low key." Other great scenes include the "hallucination" Superman speaking with Dr. Klein, "Hiho, Dr. Klein." "Hiho?" ;) Lois talking on the phone to her mother, Clark dropping the District Attorney -- twice, Clark confronting Lois sitting right out front of the courthouse and asking her if she's crazy, and Clark saying "Maybe I should do that "hover around the building and x-ray thing"." ;) Then asks that she, "please not do anything "adventurous" while I'm gone." Okay, I got carried away on just one episode, but it had a lot of humor, Lois was feisty, did some nice "babble", Lois and Clark did a lot of investigative works, Clark was strong, supportive and smart, and there's a romantic and fun ending. Heck, what more would I want? ;) Like you, if there was something "melancholy" associated to 4th season, it was how badly the show was treated by ABC, but the episodes? Heck no Zoomway@aol.com ("If it wasn't you, who did I give the hybrid Kryptonite to?" "A hallucination." "But that's completely unauthorized!" ;) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:43:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eileen Barnard Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Harper To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: 27 February 1999 06:13 Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Actually Sheila I think you may be right about the whole season being a bit depressing because the show was being axed and like you and this did tend to take the edge of things. I especially hated the way the show ended and I would love to have seen how the writers developed the story using the baby. Personally, I loved Season Three because Lois and Clark got together at last after many stops and starts and like you I don't watch Seasons 1 and 2 an awful lot - mostly because I hated Lex Luthor and I wanted to keep throwing things at the screen whenever his smarmy face appeared! But the actually developing relationship between Lois and Clark was interesting even though I wanted to shake both of them at times. As I mentioned before, I loved the way they had started to get to grips with the whole marriage thing, especially the Lesley Luckerbey (not sure about the spelling here) thing and its a pity there wasn't another season to further develop this. I have just found out about the Season 5 and 6 fanfics so I am off to visit that web site to get another L&C fix. Eileen eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:01:38 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: Small question!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Karen wrote: >You're welcome. :) Although, I'm very curious as to why you'd want Dean's "real" address? Care to tell us? ;) I am just making a list of famous peoples address for a school project and I couldn't find it. Thanks again Annobelle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:24:25 -1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: Re: Small question!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen Ward wrote: > >>Well, I'm not sure about the accuracy of it, but I found the > following > address on a Netscape Celebrity search. The address I found was: > > 11718 Darrington Ct. #513 > Los Angeles, CA > 90049 > > However, I can't guarantee that's his "real" address. It seems > unlikely to > me that his real address would be publicized on the internet. Perhaps > > someone else can clarify?<< I thought he lived on in that beach house on Malibu where I thought he grew up? At least I was hoping it was true cuz my grandparents live very near there and I spent summers on that beach. We would walk down the beach looking at all the rich people's homes. I like to think that I possibly played on the beach with Dean as a child!:) But what ever his real address is, I'm sure there isn't only one, the rich and famous seem to accumulate many houses all over! jme > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:20:54 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Partners In-Reply-To: <199902270000.rdeuun.4fc.37kbi15@mx7.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Along the lines of Lois and Clark keeping their personal lives separate >from their professional ones, here's something I have seen in fanfics that I am curious about. I've seen several authors have Lois refer to herself, and be referred to, as "Lois Lane Kent". Did she do that on the show? I remember the episode where she talks to Clark about keeping her name professionally... did she ever hyphenate, or use both? I just thought that Lois used Lane professionally but didn't mind Kent personallly. Yes? No? any help on this one? thanks dana ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:12:45 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01BE62A6.AEECCBC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BE62A6.AEECCBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zoomway wrote: >There's also the scene of Lois babbling so close to Clark when he's = trying to >super hear, it's like a "knife" in his head ;) =20 I always *loved* that cross-babbling! I wished they'd done more of it. = Another favorite, of course, being the "This moment! Pick this one!" = conversation in the cell in OP. Wonderful stuff! I can never get tired = of hearing Clark complain, "As you - of *all* people - should really = understand by *now*!!" Lois' mom, though missing >>from the episode, makes her presence keenly felt, and Lois is so Lois = when she >orders a "high maintenance" lunch, which causes a mortified Clark to = observe: >"I'm no expert, but I think that when you're "on the lam" you forego = the >subtleties of cuisine in favor of staying low key." Other great scenes >include the "hallucination" Superman speaking with Dr. Klein, "Hiho, = Dr. >Klein." "Hiho?" ;) Lois talking on the phone to her mother, Clark = dropping >the District Attorney -- twice, Clark confronting Lois sitting right = out front >of the courthouse and asking her if she's crazy, and Clark saying = "Maybe I >should do that "hover around the building and x-ray thing"." ;) Then = asks >that she, "please not do anything "adventurous" while I'm gone." Plus, Clark gets to be marvellously exasperated just before meeting Lois = in one of my favorite moments from the episode ("You're kidding, right? = No, why would you be kidding?") Great delivery from Dean. Perfect. And Klein's marvellous "Superman, my boy, you are *losing* it!" just = makes me keel over clutching my ribs every single time I watch - and I = suspect always will. Plus, Lois and Clark got to work as a team - in perfect harmony, showing = us yet again why they are so good together. And the emphasis on Klein's = promotion problems and his battles with red tape was a nice little = sidetake. (Loved the drinking out of the flask. LOL!) LabRat :) (who still couldn't choose a favorite season if her life = depended on it.....but who could bore her captors to death citing = moments from all 4 while she tried to come to a decision. ) Doc. 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Zoomway wrote:
 
>There's also the scene of Lois babbling so close to Clark when = he's=20 trying to
>super  hear, it's like a "knife" in his = head=20 ;) 
 
I always *loved* that = cross-babbling! I wished they'd done more of it. Another favorite, of = course,=20 being the "This moment! Pick this one!" conversation in the = cell in=20 OP. Wonderful stuff! I can never get tired of hearing Clark complain, = "As=20 you - of *all* people - should really understand by = *now*!!"
 
Lois' mom, though missing
>from the episode, makes her = presence=20 keenly felt, and Lois is so Lois when she
>orders a "high=20 maintenance" lunch, which causes a mortified Clark to=20 observe:
>"I'm no expert, but I think that when you're = "on the=20 lam" you forego the
>subtleties of cuisine in favor of = staying low=20 key."  Other great scenes
>include the = "hallucination"=20 Superman speaking with Dr. Klein, "Hiho, Dr.
>Klein."=20 "Hiho?"  ;)  Lois talking on the phone to her = mother, Clark=20 dropping
>the District Attorney -- twice, Clark confronting Lois = sitting=20 right out front
>of the courthouse and asking her if she's crazy, = and=20 Clark saying "Maybe I
>should do that "hover around the = building=20 and x-ray thing"." ;)  Then asks
>that she, = "please=20 not do anything "adventurous" while I'm gone."
 
Plus, Clark gets to = be marvellously=20 exasperated just before meeting Lois in one of my favorite moments from = the=20 episode ("You're kidding, right? No, why would you be = kidding?") Great=20 delivery from Dean. Perfect.
 
And Klein's marvellous = "Superman, my boy,=20 you are *losing* it!" just makes me keel over clutching my ribs = every=20 single time I watch - and I suspect always will.  = <g>
 
Plus, Lois and Clark = got to work as=20 a team - in perfect harmony, showing us yet again why they are so good = together.=20 And the emphasis on Klein's promotion problems and his battles with red = tape was=20 a nice little sidetake. (Loved the drinking out of the flask. = LOL!)
 
LabRat :) (who still couldn't choose = a favorite=20 season if her life depended on it.....but who could bore her captors to = death=20 citing moments from all 4 while she tried to come to a decision.=20 <g>)
 
Doc. Klein's = LabRat
labrat@dircon. co.uk.
 
 

 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BE62A6.AEECCBC0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:27:39 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Partners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE62A8.C428F980" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE62A8.C428F980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dana wrote: >Along the lines of Lois and Clark keeping their personal lives separate >>from their professional ones, here's something I have seen in fanfics = that >I am curious about. I've seen several authors have Lois refer to = herself, >and be referred to, as "Lois Lane Kent". Did she do that on the show? = I >remember the episode where she talks to Clark about keeping her name >professionally... did she ever hyphenate, or use both? I just thought = that >Lois used Lane professionally but didn't mind Kent personallly. Yes? = No? >any help on this one? > As far as fanfic goes, Dana (and this is only my opinion, I haven't used = it myself and can't speak officially for any of the authors who have) I = think that FoLC Lore just took it as read that when Lois got used to = being a married woman and realized there was nothing threatening in = having to change her name, she took to calling herself Lois Lane Kent as = a nice little compromise between her professional and personal life. = Personally, I like it as a solution. Perhaps it also has some of its roots in that beautifully subtle moment = in IASWAA when Lois is standing in the darkened newsroom waiting for = Clark to show up for their meeting and almost wistfully begins to play = with the nameplates LOIS LANE and LOIS KENT, bringing them together just = for a fleeting moment so that they merge to produce LOIS LANE KENT - and = then smiles ever so slightly. I always thought that a terribly telling = and sweet little insight into her psyche just then.=20 LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@dircon.co.uk. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE62A8.C428F980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Dana wrote:

 
>Along the lines of Lois and Clark keeping their personal = lives=20 separate
>from their professional ones, here's something I have = seen in=20 fanfics that
>I am curious about.  I've seen several authors = have=20 Lois refer to herself,
>and be referred to, as "Lois Lane=20 Kent".  Did she do that on the show?  I
>remember = the=20 episode where she talks to Clark about keeping her = name
>professionally...=20 did she ever hyphenate, or use both?  I just thought = that
>Lois used=20 Lane professionally but didn't mind Kent personallly.  Yes? =20 No?
>any help on this one?
>
As far as fanfic goes, Dana (and this is only my opinion, I = haven't used=20 it myself and can't speak officially for any of the authors who have) I = think=20 that FoLC Lore just took it as read that when Lois got used to being a = married=20 woman and realized there was nothing threatening in having to change her = name,=20 she took to calling herself Lois Lane Kent as a nice little compromise = between=20 her professional and personal life. Personally, I like it as a=20 solution.
 
Perhaps it also has some of its roots = in that=20 beautifully subtle moment in IASWAA when Lois is standing in the = darkened=20 newsroom waiting for Clark to show up for their meeting and almost = wistfully=20 begins to play with the nameplates LOIS LANE and LOIS KENT, bringing = them=20 together just for a fleeting moment so that they merge to produce LOIS = LANE KENT=20 - and then smiles ever so slightly. I always thought that a terribly = telling and=20 sweet little insight into her psyche just then.
 
LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@dircon.co.uk.
=
 
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01BE62A8.C428F980-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:30:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: New Fanfic: Lucky Lois Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This was inspired by a) the recent fanfic list thread about Lois' behavior during first season being motivated by a fear of rejection, b) seeing Lucky Leon again on TNT yesterday, and c) some judicious nagging b= y Chris Mulder. :-) Lois is not her usual feisty self here, but give her a= break; she's had an emotionally trying night. Lucky Lois by Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com) Clark entered the newsroom slowly, unsure of what to expect. His relationship with Lois had been changing ever since he'd finally mustered= the courage to ask her out, and he had thought that things were going wel= l. Last night's dinner date had been the most wonderful experience -- the conversation, the air of quiet intimacy, and most especially the flashes = of mutual sexual tension that they usually took care to hide. He'd never known that a simple bite of dessert could be so sensual! = The whole evening had filled him with a deep, rich contentment. As Lois had said, it hadn't been the wildest, or the funniest, but it had all seemed to work. Until, that is, she'd said she could never see him again= , and had slammed the door in his face. = Now he was confused, and hurting, and trying vainly to figure out what he could possibly have said or done to offend her. = As he crossed the newsroom to his desk, he scanned the area to see if Loi= s was even there. He spotted her in Perry's office, where their editor was= pacing and making wild hand gestures, obviously in the middle of an impassioned speech about something or another. Clark smiled tiredly, and= wondered if he should listen in. Usually, he didn't eavesdrop around the= office, but right now he could think of no good reason to restrain his curiosity; besides, if Perry was that worked up, it was probably about a story, and he wouldn't mind some warning. He sat down at his desk and began switching on his computer as he tuned i= n. The first words he heard, however, riveted his attention, and his morning routine was forgotten. "It wasn't a bad date. It was a really *great* date..." Clark continued to listen, bemused, as Lois talked out her insecurities. = A belated flash of guilt convinced him to tune out before the end of the conversation, but he continued to sit motionless, processing what he had heard. So he hadn't done anything wrong, after all. This was just another instance of Lois firing up her defense mechanisms, as he'd seen h= er do so often in the past. Considering what he'd learned of her history, h= er attitude made a certain amount of sense. Subconsiously, she might even believe that she was unloveable; after all, no one who'd ever really know= n her -- her parents, her ex-boyfriends -- had really loved her. She might= want to believe that Clark was different, but her history would make it difficult. She had experienced just as much personal rejection as she ha= d professional acclaim. It was bound to affect her reactions. = Just like, he reflected wryly, a lifetime of secrecy had so far kept *him* from telling her everything about himself, even when there was litt= le reason for further deception, at least where Lois was concerned. That so= rt of programming was difficult to override. Well, he would overcome his own hangups real soon now, he promised himself, but in the meantime he would certainly do what he could to help her past hers. He had made progress in the last year and a half. Bit by bit, she had allowed herself to trust in his friendship. But a romantic relationship was a whole new level of risk, and at the moment, at least, she was terrified. Obviously he had to do something to fix that, to reassure her. = Lois bustled out of Perry's office, and he rose from his desk to greet he= r. "Morning Lois ... look, can we talk--" "Morning Clark," she interrupted, far too brightly, not really looking at= him. "Oh, look, it's a Shower Friend; Lucky Leon must have sent it." She= busied herself with inspecting the various features on the plastic contraption. "Yeah, I guess so," he replied, seeing that she was going to make this difficult. "But we really need to talk about last night, Lois, because I--" "It's kind of cute," she babbled on, trying her best to ignore his overtures. "In a hideous sort of way. And hey, you got a Desk Friend. = It's got a clock, and a radio -- and real imitation wood! Must be the deluxe model. And look -- a stapler!" Clark considered his options. Words obviously weren't going to get throu= gh at the moment. Maybe more drastic action was required. He glanced swiftly around the newsroom; people were at least pretending to ignore them. He took a deep breath and reminded himself that faint heart ne'er w= on fair maiden. "Lois..." Stepping forward, he gently pulled the Bath Friend from Lois's arms, and set it on her desk. She met his eyes for the first time= that day, looking upward in confusion. Without giving her time to react,= he embraced her, one arm around her waist, his other hand cupping her fac= e as he gently kissed her, trying to communicate without words how much he loved her. He forced himself to keep his grip loose around her, giving her the freed= om to move away if she so desired. After a long moment, however, she moved ever so slightly closer, and began returning the kiss, her hands moving u= p his chest to snake around his neck. Clark nearly trembled in relief, and= hugged her tighter. After a moment more, he broke off the kiss, and pull= ed back a few inches to see her face. She was flushed, and didn't quite meet his eyes. "I'm sorry about last night, Clark," she choked out in a low voice, "I panicked ... I just ..."= "Shh, it's okay," he whispered back. "This is me you're talking to. = I understand you better than you think." She looked up then, searching his eyes for reassurance. After a moment, she smiled shakily. "You do, huh?" "Yep," he nodded. "That's the advantage of dating your best friend. I know all about you, and I lo-- like you anyway." "Clark..." She seemed to be struggling to hold back tears. "That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me." He tapped her lightly on her nose and grinned, trying to lighten the moment. "Stick around, kid. It'll get better." She managed to grin back, and stepped slightly away from him, breaking the embrace with a self-conscious glance around the newsroom. "Oh it wil= l, will it? Well, we'll just see about that, but first," she firmly redirected the conversation, "we have a job to do." "Right." He followed her lead and got down to business, but inside he was grinning. *** Unnoticed across the newsroom, Mayson Drake watched the two of them and felt her heart break. She had really thought she had a chance with Clark= ... but it seemed he had made his choice. She wondered bitterly how long= he would have continued to lead her on, and decided abruptly that she couldn't bear to face either of them at the moment. She turned around a= nd headed for the elevator. She was strong, she didn't need any man, not ev= en Clark. And since her prospective lunch date had collapsed, she could use= the time to take her car into the shop, instead. It had been making some= funny noises lately; best to get that fixed before something went really wrong. The End :-) Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com) ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ It's KERTH time! Read all about it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html ~~~~~ Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ (I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could ) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:49:55 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: New Fanfic: Lucky Lois MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE62B4.4235A5C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE62B4.4235A5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pam wrote: This was inspired by a) the recent fanfic list thread about Lois' behavior during first season being motivated by a fear of rejection, b) seeing Lucky Leon again on TNT yesterday, and c) some judicious nagging = by Chris Mulder. :-) Lois is not her usual feisty self here, but give her = a break; she's had an emotionally trying night. What a sweet and waffy way to end my night online, Pam. Thanks!=20 Oh and.....Ra Ra, Clark! LabRat :) (signing off and into bed with that kiss reverberating in my = head. Sigh..... Now, where's that husband of mine got too........? ;) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@dircon.co.uk. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE62B4.4235A5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pam wrote:

 
This was inspired by a) the recent fanfic list thread about=20 Lois'
behavior during first season being motivated by a fear of = rejection,=20 b)
seeing Lucky Leon again on TNT yesterday, and c) some judicious = nagging=20 by
Chris Mulder. :-)  Lois is not her usual feisty self here, = but give=20 her a
break; she's had an emotionally trying night.

What a sweet and waffy way to = end my night=20 online, Pam. Thanks!
 
Oh and.....Ra Ra, = Clark!=20 <g>
 
LabRat :)  = (signing off and=20 into bed with that kiss reverberating in my head. Sigh..... Now, where's = that=20 husband of mine got too........? ;)
 
 
Doc. Klein's = LabRat
labrat@dircon.co.uk.
=
 
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE62B4.4235A5C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:24:32 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sue Modolo Subject: Super Hearing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I have been wondering lately - what was the FIRST episode where Clark/Superman first used his super hearing - where when someone is in trouble and he can hear them? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:56:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: New Fanfic: Lucky Lois--Contains spoiler! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warning! The following is a story "spoiler!" If you don't want to know the end, don't read! LOL at the ending! Thanks for getting Mayson out of the picture without killing her off (well, I've always liked Farrah Forke ever since "Wings.") Cheers, Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:14:05 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Other great scenes >include the "hallucination" Superman speaking with Dr. Klein, "Hiho, Dr. >Klein." "Hiho?" ;) LOL! I was just rewatching this ep and I noticed this little exchange for the first time. It was so hilarious. Then asks >that she, "please not do anything "adventurous" while I'm gone." >My fav. is after this when she says she won't and he just nods skeptically. I think that's my favorite thing about this show. They do such a good job with their unstated statements. Subtlety is such a hard thing to get nowadays. > >Zoomway@aol.com ("If it wasn't you, who did I give the hybrid Kryptonite to?" >"A hallucination." "But that's completely unauthorized!" ;) > Dr. Klein is great isn't he? I love that guy. Whoever brought him on was a genius. Rachel rtenha@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:32:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Small question!!! In-Reply-To: <19990227215432.14577.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:54 PM -0800 2/27/99, Anne Simmonds wrote: >Does anyone have Dean cains addres or where he lives? I just would like >to know. I mean not the fan mail address his reall address. Personally, I don't consider this a small question at all. I don't have the address, but even if I did, I wouldn't distribute it on-line. I would have all sorts of qualms about supporting stalkers, etc. Yes, Dean's a big boy and can take care of himself (i.e. I'm sure he has security), and no, I'm not accusing you of being a stalker. But things like this make me nervous, sorry. I have no idea if the address Karen found on-line was real or not. If it is, and I were Dean, I'd sue that site to have it removed. The last thing I'd want people to know was where I lived if I were a celebrity. There are just too many crazies out there. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:41:15 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Samantha Kegan Subject: Re: character ages? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain >I'm working on a fanfic with a complicated chronology (Yes, it's a time >travel one) I was hoping to get some feedback re: characters' ages. >In the last season, I figure Clark is 30, Lois around 29, Jimmy 21 or 22 >From what I understood, and information gathered from the episode "Tempus Anyone" Lois is actually older than Clark is. Samantha K ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:47:44 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Partners In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990227162054.007a26b0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:20 PM -0700 2/27/99, No Name Available wrote: > I've seen several authors have Lois refer to herself, >and be referred to, as "Lois Lane Kent". Did she do that on the show? The only time Lois refered to herself -- scratch that, allowed herself to be addressed -- as Mrs. Kent was when she and Clark went to the old age home in Brutal Youth. They went "under cover", sort of, under the guise of Clark wanting to put his parents in a nursing home and he and his wife were checking some out. They used their real names, but that cover story. In the scene, I believe the director (the person giving the tour) addressed them as "Mr. and Mrs. Kent". Some fans cried foul after the episode, saying "I thought Lois wasn't taking Kent!?!" (which, btw is right, she and Clark did discuss it on the show and they agreed she would stick with Lane). Most of us, however, agreed that the cover story was just that, a cover story, and Lois wouldn't draw further attention to themselves by arguing that her name was Lois Lane. The story was they were there not as reporters but for personal reasons, and drawing attention to the fact they were "Lane and Kent, investigative reporters" wouldn't be prudent. Remember, too, that Clark could have made the initial contact, introducing himself as "my name is Clark Kent, and this is my wife Lois", and the director made the logical jump. I actually kind of think both Lois and Clark would get a kick out of introducing themselves that way, especially since they had only been married 2 weeks, and supposedly only rarely left the apartment for that entire 2 weeks. ;) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:49:55 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genine Murray Subject: Re: Small question!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Delurking briefly to say something quickly about this subject: I agree with you Kathy, 100%. I don't want to make this a "me-too" post though, so, well, *DITTO*! I couldn't have said it better myself! For Dean's sake I hope that the address Karen posted ISN'T his real address. There are WAY too many sickos out there, I'm not really saying anyone on this list is of course, but him being famous, I'm sure he has at least a small problem with "stalkers" as it is now. I'd hate to think that the FoLCs were the cause for more of them finding him in the future. That's all I have to say on that. TTFN FoLCs, take care! :-) Genine SuperGem4@aol.com In a message dated 2/27/99 9:30:50 PM EST, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes: << >Does anyone have Dean cains addres or where he lives? I just would like >to know. I mean not the fan mail address his reall address. Personally, I don't consider this a small question at all. I don't have the address, but even if I did, I wouldn't distribute it on-line. I would have all sorts of qualms about supporting stalkers, etc. Yes, Dean's a big boy and can take care of himself (i.e. I'm sure he has security), and no, I'm not accusing you of being a stalker. But things like this make me nervous, sorry. I have no idea if the address Karen found on-line was real or not. If it is, and I were Dean, I'd sue that site to have it removed. The last thing I'd want people to know was where I lived if I were a celebrity. There are just too many crazies out there. Kathy >> ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:46:03 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: Re: Partners << I've seen several authors have Lois refer to herself, and be referred to, as "Lois Lane Kent". Did she do that on the show? I remember the episode where she talks to Clark about keeping her name professionally... did she ever hyphenate, or use both? I just thought that Lois used Lane professionally but didn't mind Kent personallly. Yes? No? any help on this one? >> According to the show, Lois kept her name in all aspects of her life, professional and personal. Her name is only mentioned twice in the show. In IAWSAA she tells Clark that she doesn't want to change her name. The second mention (sorta) is in BY where Lois, semi-undercover with Clark at the old folks' home where Veda Doodson gets her patients/victims from, is referred to as "Mrs Kent." Since Lois and Clark are undercover in this scene, it doesn't really "count" as Lois being referred to as "Mrs Kent" in her personal life, IMO. I have also seen Lois use Clark's last name in *many* fanfics and, to be honest, it always bothers me. Lois made a point in IASWAA of wanting to keep her name. There was no provision made for professional vs personal. In fact, Lois says, "I just feel attached... professionally and personally to Lois Lane." (And in one of my absolute favorite lines in the show, Clark says that he, too, is attached to Lois Lane, and that he's "not asking for any changes." yay, Clark! :) I understand that some of these fanfics are written before IASWAA so the authors don't have the episode to go on. But there are many stories written after IASWAA where Lois uses "Lois Kent" or "Lois Lane Kent." I'm not sure if those authors just decided to disregard IASWAA, didn't remember the scene, or what. -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:49:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: Small question!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >For Dean's sake I hope that the address Karen posted ISN'T his real address. >There are WAY too many sickos out there, I'm not really saying anyone on this >list is of course, but him being famous, I'm sure he has at least a small >problem with "stalkers" as it is now. I'd hate to think that the FoLCs were >the cause for more of them finding him in the future. That's all I have to >say on that. You're absolutely right! And I hesitated to post the address for that very reason. However, I never would have posted it had I not found it on a reputable Netscape site (Netscape Netcentre) and figured that, if it really was his home address, it wouldn't be there. I assumed it was just an alternate address for fan mail. I sincerely hope that is the case, anyway. The last thing I'd ever want to do is cause that kind of trouble for Dean. I hope that sounded more coherent to others than it does to me -- I'm a bit sleepy right now. ;) TTFN, Karen :) aka KamikazeK on IRC . . . as of tonight! Man, that was fun! :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:36:51 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pat Subject: Re: Margaret Mitchell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >At 11:04 PM -0800 2/24/99, I wrote: >>The story has a happy ending (and more twists than the non-wedding arc >>; ) Margaret eventually divorced the businessman, and married the >>newspaperman, who'd remained her very good friend throughout. She >>continued to work on her romance novel in her spare time, and we *all* >>know what that turned out to be ;) >> >>and for those of you who are still awake, > > >Awake? I can't take my eyes from the keyboard. Thanks, Pat. This is just >... amazing. > >Kathy (who feels as WAFFy as when she watches L&C ...) It's interesting that you should say that, Kathy. There have been a number of Mitchell biographies, and while they've all done a pretty good job (some better than others ;) of getting the names, dates and facts correct, only one has dealt with feelings and emotional issues. That one, "Margaret Mitchell & John Marsh: the love story behind Gone With the Wind," was published in late 1993. I was reading it while I was watching season 1 of L&C and was floored by the parallels in the two stories. It was also one of the reasons that I didn't see Lois as stupid or blind for missing the fact that Lex wasn't the person he represented himself to be. Lex owned companies, utilities, tv stations, and buildings, all of which supported his contention that he was a legitimate, albeit sharp, businessman. Reading the story of another intelligent newspaperwoman (Mitchell) who was also taken in, in her case by a man who never told her what kind of business he was in, never mentioned a company that he owned or worked for, etc., made Lois' situation very believable to me. I was reading the story of something very similar that had actually happened in the real world. I saw both women as being fascinated by some of the darker aspects of the men involved. Possibly they were impressed by the men's power, or daring, wealth. Maybe it was a situation of their being attracted by their opposite. Peggy asked: >>No, this is fascinating! I don't want to reopen the subject if it's already been talked to death, but...have many fans drawn a parallel between "Gone With the Wind" and L&CTNAOS? The GWTW story leaped out at me when I started watching the series and I wondered how many other people saw a resemblance. ... at least in the love "triangle": the headstrong woman stubbornly clinging to her childish infatuation for a man she can never hope to have; a man who also loves her, and out of weakness unwisely encourages her, even though he knows that their love can never be; and the *other* man who quietly looks out for her and watches over her while hiding his love under a facade of mockery and teasing--Lois as Scarlett, Superman as Ashley, and Clark as Rhett<< Also, the objects of both Lois' and Scarlett's infatuations are to some extent, creations of their own imaginations. At the end of the novel, Scarlett realizes that Ashley isn't the man she thought he was. At that point she says something about many of the fine qualities she attributed to Ashley existing more in her imagination than in reality. There's a quote (which I know I'm garbling terribly here) about her making up an ideal man, like a suit of clothes, and then fitting Ashley into that role. Lois does somewhat the same thing with Superman in season one. When she tells Superman that she would still love him if he was "an ordinary man, with no superpowers" after telling Clark that she doesn't have those kinds of feelings for him, it's an indication that the superhero who exists in her mind isn't necessarily the same superhero who exists in reality. Other comparisons (I'll try to do this quickly ;) : Both women are brave (sometimes foolishly so), stubborn, strong willed, quick-tempered, and focused. Both accept proposals of marriage from men who they admit they don't love: Lois from Lex, Scarlett from Charles Hamilton, Frank Kennedy, and Rhett Butler (not a fast learner, our Scarlett ;) Both have, as Chris Mulder said of Lois: "The ability to entrance and infuriate at the same time." Both women have fathers who wanted sons, but never got them. Oh, and one last one: both have mothers named Ellen The difference between Lois and Scarlett is that Lois is able to learn >from her mistakes, and grow into a sensitive, loving, and much happier person. Scarlett remains selfish and unhappy until the end. I find Scarlett O'Hara's creator far more intriguing (and likable ;) than Scarlett herself. Like Lois, she had the capacity to learn, mature, love and grow, so her story has a far happier ending than Scarlett's. Pat (If any one is curious about Mitchell's appearance, there is a photo at: http://www.gwtw.net/html/highlights_of_the_book.html ) peabody@mcs.com pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:59:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Fanfic Kansas-related question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all:) Can anyone tell me who in Kansas/Missouri can legitimately perform a wedding ceremony? (Justice of the Peace, Minister, Judge, Lawyer, Elvis impersonator, whatever?) Okay, okay, forget I mentioned Elvis. I had another "brainwave" last night, and I'm stymied for real-life information Margaret %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:55:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: Back to Non-Saint Lois ;) --Quite Long In-Reply-To: <937b8ef0.36d87203@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:30 PM 2/27/1999 EST, Zoomway wrote: >I'm with you on this, Sheila. I love all of the seasons, but I watch third and >fourth season the most. I loved third season until the non-wedding arc and then the show kind of fizzled for me (I've even re-watched the argh more often than most episodes >from season 4!). After the argh finished I have trouble keeping up the enthusiasm to continue watching. I guess the reset
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