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LabRat wrote:
>
> Hey guys!
>
> Just thought I'd run something past you that's been at the back of my mind
> (yes....I *have* one! Somewhere. Seem to have misplaced it at the moment,
> but it was definitely around at some point this morning.....) about Lois
and
> Clark having kids and dealing with pregnancy.
>
> For some reason, I had always just naturally assumed without much thinking
> about it, that if we'd had a fifth season with Lois becoming pregnant,
then
> Bernie Klein would a/ have to be told about Clark being Superman and b/
> horrendous a notion as it may seem (and I can just see Lois going
hysterical
> on us at the very thought! <g>) he would have to deal with the pregnancy
and
> deliver the child.
>
> Why? Well, I just couldn't see Clark and Lois gaily tripping down to the
> local maternity unit and Klein is the only sensible solution, albeit an
> imperfect one. Clark and Lois would have absolutely no idea how the baby
> would develop in the womb, with its hybrid Kryptonian/Human genealogy. Is
it
> really likely they'd risk months of visits to a prenatal clinic where at
any
> moment something could turn up in Lois' blood tests or show up on a
scanner
> that would be deemed unusual - at the very least? I mean, it would only
take
> one reckless moment and boom - the front page of the NW would be asking if
> there was a glut of alien babies being born in Metropolis! Would they
really
> feel able to take such a risk? They might well be reasonably reassured by
> the fact that Clark himself seemed perfectly human until puberty when his
> powers kicked in and, of course, the baby would be even less Kryptonian
than
> he is, but it would still be an incredible risk to take to entrust Lois'
> care to a large group of people who might blow Clark's secret at any
moment
> if the routine tests being performed brought up something questionable in
> the baby's development. There are so many possibilities, it would be a
> regular minefield.
>
> The reason I've brought this up is that I was surprised then when I
started
> reading fanfic to find that none of the authors who'd written pregnancy
> stories seemed to give this theory a second thought - it was never
> mentioned - that I can recall at least - in any one of a huge amount of
> fanfic I read on the subject, let alone raised as a potential problem for
> our heroes. Most every story I've read just has them attending clinics
like
> any normal, un-Superpower-burdened young couple.
>
> This *shouldn't*, I should firmly insist here, be taken as a criticism of
> any of these authors. Although my personal taste has never really run to
> pregnancy, or even kiddiefic, stories in the past, I do have to say that
> I've thoroughly enjoyed all of the fanfic I've read in this sub-genre in
the
> past year and many of them have become well read favorites. No......it's
> just that I was curious as to why none of them seemed to have considered
it,
> that was all and I'd be even more curious to hear from any of them (no
doubt
> as they shoot me down in flames in a trail of blazing smoke as they've
> thought of something obvious and simple which I failed to consider
> completely..... <bg>) as to why they didn't have a problem with the clinic
> concept. Authors - over to you!
>
> LabRat :-)
>
>
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> ************
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
good
> with ketchup.....
> ....Dawson Rambo..
>
****************************************************************************
> ************
Dear Lab Rat,

Last week I started writing a story with Superman telling Dr. Klein that
he thinks he can become a father (from what Mr. Wells said) because Dr.
Klein does not have enough information on Kryptonian males.  He wants to
make Dr. Klein the family phyician not just his personal physician.
What he wants first though is information (this is right befor they get
married).  For instance how much psi (pounds per square inch) pressure
can the human pelvis take?  Will he be able to control the amount of
force in the throws (bad spelling) of passion?  He is very concerned
with the mechanics of not hurting Lois.  That is as far as I have
gotten.  Now I am trying to decide if Dr. Klein is going to invent any
devices to measure Clarks action.  There, of course, are other questions
- will a condum hold the sperm or will he shoot through it?  Will he
shoot through Lois too?  Just how much natural force is involved here?
Yes, maybe Dr. Klein will put Clark though a lot of embarrassment to get
these answers.

Jacqueline
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Date:         Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:43:32 EST
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Hello,

It's that time again.  The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer of
the
Week.  You can check it out at the following URL.

http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html

If you would like to suggest someone for the Writer's Showcase please do so.

Annie Lansbury
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Annie shared....

> It's that time again.  The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer of
the
> Week.  You can check it out at the following URL.
>
> http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html
>
Is there something wrong with simplenet?  I've tried several times to
click on this link, and actually hand-typed it in, and keep getting
the "no DNS" message.....

I'd like to read the new profile, but.....:{

Barbara
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Date:         Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:09:58 -0600
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Conditions are dark. The forecast is deadly. Tea, anyone? wrote:
>
> << Why? Well, I just couldn't see Clark and Lois gaily tripping down to
the
> local maternity unit [snip a lot] The reason I've brought this up is that
I was
> surprised then when I started reading fanfic to find that none of the
authors
> who'd written pregnancy stories seemed to give this theory a second
thought -
> it was never mentioned - that I can recall at least - in any one of a huge
> amount of fanfic I read on the subject, let alone raised as a potential
problem
> for our heroes. >>
>
> I agree that, under normal circumstances, I can't see Lois and Clark
"gaily
> tripping down to the local maternity unit." I had this same problem with I
> decided to write a "pregnancy fic." I also do not want to imagine Dr
Klein,
> well-meaning as he may be, acting as an OBGYN. So, in a story that will
> hopefully be up on the Archive relatively soon, I put Lois and Clark under
> extra-ordinary circumstances for the birth of their first child. Hopefully
this
> isn't giving away too much of my story, but, like many others have, I had
Lois
> give birth to their firstborn while Clark was on New Krypton. This was a
> decision I agonized over since I know so many others have done this. But I
had
> my reasons for it and will hopefully follow up on them in other fanfics
(if I
> ever have time to write anything for fun again ;)
>
> In my mind, this was the only way to solve the doctor issue: Lois and the
Kents
> were too preoccupied with the fact that Clark was gone and was missing
this
> unique time of his marriage with Lois, and trying to cover his absence. So
the
> idea that the baby might be different because of Clark's Kryptonian-ness
never
> came up for them. (I know this is a stretch, and a pretty lame one, but I
> couldn't think of a better way for it to work, though I've read a lot of
very
> enjoyable fanfics where Lois and Clark treat the birth of their child like
any
> earth couple would.)
>
> Along with the hard time I had picturing Dr Klein as an OBGYN, I even
wonder
> what *kind* of doctor he is. (Has it ever been mentioned in the show? I
don't
> remember it.) Just because he is called "Dr" doesn't mean he is a medical
> doctor. He could have a PhD. His areas of expertise seem pretty wide, but,
from
> how he is portrayed on the show, he seems like more of a researcher than a
> physician. I know he sees Clark in a physician capacity, but everything
else he
> does does not seem physician-related, more physics or maybe
chemistry-related.
> And, in that way, Clark would be a really cool physics/chemistry
experiment. To
> me, Klein always seemed more into things like lasers, the circuitry of
Ching's
> transmitter, etc. It doesn't appear that he sees patients other thank
Clark.
> Just an observation...
>
> -Christy
>  kubitc@kenyon.edu
>  Attalanta on IRC

Dear Christy,

I was a medical secretary in Life Sciences at NASA Johnson Space Center
Houston, Texas.  Many of the doctors I worked with were both M.D., and
Ph.D. and even one Sc.D. (a British Degree I believe).  Most of the
medical doctors wanted (desperatly)[spelling I need a spell checker that
works with mail] to do research.  Research is a much more difficult
field to get into and become respected in than general practice.
However, once they got into research, they became concerned about
loosing their medical skills and often went on to a specialty or two
just to keep their hands in.  One passed around 3 specialty boards (at
his own expense) one of which was emergency medicine and worked weekends
in the Emergency Room at a local hosptial to keep his hand in.  They all
entered as Aerospace Surgeons through the Flight Medicine Clinic where
they took care of the astronauts and their families (originally because
all the astronauts were military and would ordinarily receive medical
care for themselves and their dependents regardless of where they were
stationed).  So while Dr. Klein probably was doing most of his work in
research, it didn't necessarily mean he had given up medicine.  With his
reputation, he probably had his Ph.D., and M.D., and a couple of Board
Certifications.

Jacqueline
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Crystal Wimmer wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/27/98 2:27:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> labrat@DIRCON.CO.UK writes:
>
> << The reason I've brought this up is that I was surprised then when I
started
>  reading fanfic to find that none of the authors who'd written pregnancy
>  stories seemed to give this theory a second thought - it was never
>  mentioned - that I can recall at least - in any one of a huge amount of
>  fanfic I read on the subject, let alone raised as a potential problem for
>  our heroes. Most every story I've read just has them attending clinics
like
>  any normal, un-Superpower-burdened young couple.
>   >>
>
> Okay... I need to blow my own horn, here... I did, I did, I did ;)
>
> Try reading Full Circle (the first one, not the TUFS one)... they have a
> complicated pregnancy, enlist Dr. Klein's help, the whole shebang!  It's
in
> the fanfic archive, I think, or you can find it on my site... or I can
e-mail
> it to you if you like.  I've been told it's pretty good... long, but good
;)
>
> Thanks for listening,
> Crystal Wimmer
> JCWimmer@aol.com

Yes, I remember Full Circle and I enjoyed it.

Jacqueline
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Date:         Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:52:59 -0700
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From:         Sara Kraft <srkraft@U.ARIZONA.EDU>
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Hey folcs...

I just wanted to share my excitement and disappointment.  =)  =(

I was trick-or-treating with my college friends (yeah, i know, i'm too old)
and we passed by tons of lights and cameras.  Sure enough, we asked and it
was a movie set.  I asked "what's the movie called?"   It's called
'Catalina Trust (or Trails...can't remember exactly).  Anyway...then I
asked who was starring in it.  The guy said John Shea!  My heart skipped a
beat.  (of course everyone else was like.."who?")  I then asked the guy if
John was there and he said that he had already finished filming and left
town.  =(  GRRRR!!!!  I was so excited! =(

Just wanted to share.

Sara Kraft
Tucson, AZ
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Date:         Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:42:34 +0100
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From:         Celia M Carvalho <carvalho@LEXMARK.COM>
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Hi there, you all!
Sorry for bothering you this way... I wanted to send an e-mail directly to
Jennifer Baker, but every time I try to do it (to the address in her
stories,
anyway --> Jiji@aol.com), I cannot do it.
Can anybody help...?
Thanks!

Celia
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Found out why I couldn't get to the Writer's Showcase, even when
I just clicked on Annie's listing....

there is no "www" in the URL!!!!!!

Don't know why that is, but I deleted those three letters (and the
"dot", of course!)  and got to read the profile on Missytoo!

(I also adjusted my bookmark, which wasn't working either!)

So if anybody else is having a problem (or is it just me?),
there's the solution!

Barbara
breathing a sigh of relief on "one problem down, only fourteen
hundred and ninety-nine left to go this week".....:}
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At 01:01 PM 11/2/98 +0100, you wrote:
>It was mentioned that Superman came to Portugal in
>November 1997 to help the south of the country due to the awful floodings
we had
>around that time. I couldn't believe my own eyes...! If only
>that would have been true! (the help, I mean. Unfortunately, the floods
were
>quite real).

Since you mention a date, it could have been Debby's Dawning.  I know that I
mentioned Superman helping with flooding in Portugal in my "Mxysplit."  I
don't remember why I chose Portugal, unless it was a dim memory of having
heard of disasterous flooding there, so it seemed like a likely place for it
to happen.

>Anyway... as I've never read so far any fanfic with Portuguese
>sentences/words/etc, I thought to just let you all know that I am here to
help
>if you need that kind of help.

Thanks, Celia, it's nice to know where some resources are!

Sheila
sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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In "Biology Lesson" by Ruth Ellison, the Nigerian Princess from Clark's
past comes to Metropolis with a boy that she calims is Clark's son.
Ruth says trat this fanfic answers several questions.  For me, it only
makes new ones.  WHat questions was the fanfic supposed to answer?

Also,

Does anyone have alist, can make a list, or knows where I can get a list
of everyone that knows, or is suspected of knowing that CK=S and how
they found out?

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A lot of the people who found out croaked, others went to jail (where they
probably formed the "I know a secret" club ;)

The List

Jonathan Kent

Martha Kent

Clark Kent ;)

The Smart Kids (kinda/sorta)

Jason Trask (dead)

Jack (maybe, but he disappeared)

Vat Man (dead)

Wanda Mae Waldecker (kinda/sorta, but she was in a home for the reality
challenged anyway)

Diana Stride (imprisoned)

Rolfe ('punished' ;)

Mayson Drake (dead)

Tempus

H.G. Wells (dead only some of the time)

Jason T Masik (imprisoned)

Nigel St. John (dead)

Lois Lane (finally!)

Spencer Spencer (dead)

Heidi (dead)

Pescado (dead)

Baron Sunday (iffy, he started sounding like he knew near the end)
The whole Alternate Metropolis/world ;)

Bud Collins (the guy who died from the car bombing in The Dad Who Came in
from
the Cold, before expiring, he said, "Superman, did anybody tell you you look
just like Clark Kent, only without the glasses?")

Lois' clone (dead)

Lex Luthor (dead ... again)

Ching (moved off the planet)

Zara (moved off the planet)

Other Kryptonians (dead or moved to another planet)

Mike (though seemingly an "other worldly" being who won't blab)

Mxyzptlk

Andrus (back to the future ;)

Lex's son a.k.a. Mr. Smith/troll (dead)

Leslie Luckabee (dead)

Woody Samms (now a Chihuahua, known as only being able to say "yo quiero
Taco
Bell")

Fat Head (brain deflated and debummered, doesn't remember)

Misha (debummered)

Sam Lane (debummered)

Ellen Lane (debummered .. as far as it could work on her ;)

Now there's some characters that may or may not have known, like Spencer's
gun-toting henchmen, but neither was in the room when Clark was unmasked,
the
one that entered the operating room didn't enter far enough to see Clark and
exited the way he came, and then both seemed to be firing blindly in the
foggy
operating room. Or, the Newtrich sisters, they did know Lois was Ultra Woman
and that Clark was her partner, but they really didn't seem to make the
connection that he was also Superman.

Anyway, those are the ones I can remember, and might have left out some
obvious ones, if so, I'll add them to the list.

Zoomway@aol.com (still waiting for that list of Clark shirtless scenes ;)
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At 10:18 AM -0800 11/2/98, Christina Batouli wrote:
>In "Biology Lesson" by Ruth Ellison, the Nigerian Princess from Clark's
>past comes to Metropolis with a boy that she calims is Clark's son.
>Ruth says trat this fanfic answers several questions.  For me, it only
>makes new ones.  WHat questions was the fanfic supposed to answer?

This story was written pretty early in the show's run on ABC, so it was
before we had it confirmed that Clark was a virgin, for example.  So, that
would be one question she answered (in her opinion and with the knowledge
she had up to then).

Another question answered would be whether a Kryptonian male could conceive
a child with an Earth female.

I suppose it also answers the question of who the Nigerian princess was.
Some FoLCs, for example, hypotesize that the princess Clark spoke of in the
Pilot was not a romantic liaison at all, but say a young girl he was
babysitting for or befriended. If those FoLCs write a fanfic describing the
princess as such, they, too, are answering a question (though giving a
different answer).

Hope that helps!

Kathy

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At 14:21 2/11/98 EST, you wrote:
>A lot of the people who found out croaked, others went to jail (where they
>probably formed the "I know a secret" club ;)

I am more interested in the stats - boy that is a secret with a high
mortality rate!  13 plus or minus 1 of the people who knew it died.
Admittedly, most were on the wrong side of the law when they died, but it
seems to me in retrospect that CK almost made less of an effort to bring
these people to justice, and 'let' bad things happen to them so he wouldn't
have to deal with them.  Not that I blame him, given that by the latter
seasons, most of the crims were targetting him personally...

I never really considered LNC to be a violent show.  And it never made the
gruesome details of death apparent, but when you sit down and think about a
body count, it sure stacks up!

Anyone ever done a total body count for the entire show?  It started with
Luthor and Baines going a little over the top cleaning up after themselves,
and while I can't think of anyone who died at the hands of Trask in SV,
Luthor showed from the start, in the Pilot and NB that he wasn't out to
spare lives.

And so on.  Anyone got a list already made up?

Wonder if CK ever goes on a guilt trip for all these people?

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At 02:21 PM 11/02/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>A lot of the people who found out croaked, others went to jail (where they
>probably formed the "I know a secret" club ;)
>

>
>Nigel St. John (dead)
>

When did he find out?

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In a message dated 11/2/98 2:16:33 PM Central Standard Time,
gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU writes:

<< When did he find out? >>

In the episode And the Answer Is... (2nd season finale)

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Thanks, Zoom,  I just love this list and was going to ask for it in an ep
thought.

I think the two henchmen in OP know the secret and was very concerned about
it when I review that ep the other day.  Just my $.02.

Carolyn
cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu

>A lot of the people who found out croaked, others went to jail (where they
>probably formed the "I know a secret" club ;)
>
>The List
>
>Jonathan Kent
>
>Martha Kent
>
>Clark Kent ;)
>
>The Smart Kids (kinda/sorta)
>
>Jason Trask (dead)
>
>Jack (maybe, but he disappeared)
>
>Vat Man (dead)
>
>Wanda Mae Waldecker (kinda/sorta, but she was in a home for the reality
>challenged anyway)
>
>Diana Stride (imprisoned)
>
>Rolfe ('punished' ;)
>
>Mayson Drake (dead)
>
>Tempus
>
>H.G. Wells (dead only some of the time)
>
>Jason T Masik (imprisoned)
>
>Nigel St. John (dead)
>
>Lois Lane (finally!)
>
>Spencer Spencer (dead)
>
>Heidi (dead)
>
>Pescado (dead)
>
>Baron Sunday (iffy, he started sounding like he knew near the end)
>The whole Alternate Metropolis/world ;)
>
>Bud Collins (the guy who died from the car bombing in The Dad Who Came in
from
>the Cold, before expiring, he said, "Superman, did anybody tell you you
look
>just like Clark Kent, only without the glasses?")
>
>Lois' clone (dead)
>
>Lex Luthor (dead ... again)
>
>Ching (moved off the planet)
>
>Zara (moved off the planet)
>
>Other Kryptonians (dead or moved to another planet)
>
>Mike (though seemingly an "other worldly" being who won't blab)
>
>Mxyzptlk
>
>Andrus (back to the future ;)
>
>Lex's son a.k.a. Mr. Smith/troll (dead)
>
>Leslie Luckabee (dead)
>
>Woody Samms (now a Chihuahua, known as only being able to say "yo quiero
Taco
>Bell")
>
>Fat Head (brain deflated and debummered, doesn't remember)
>
>Misha (debummered)
>
>Sam Lane (debummered)
>
>Ellen Lane (debummered .. as far as it could work on her ;)
>
>Now there's some characters that may or may not have known, like Spencer's
>gun-toting henchmen, but neither was in the room when Clark was unmasked,
the
>one that entered the operating room didn't enter far enough to see Clark
and
>exited the way he came, and then both seemed to be firing blindly in the
foggy
>operating room. Or, the Newtrich sisters, they did know Lois was Ultra
Woman
>and that Clark was her partner, but they really didn't seem to make the
>connection that he was also Superman.
>
>Anyway, those are the ones I can remember, and might have left out some
>obvious ones, if so, I'll add them to the list.
>
>Zoomway@aol.com (still waiting for that list of Clark shirtless scenes ;)
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In a message dated 11/2/98 2:09:35 PM Central Standard Time, aev@CIA.COM.AU
writes:

<<  am more interested in the stats - boy that is a secret with a high
 mortality rate!  13 plus or minus 1 of the people who knew it died.
 Admittedly, most were on the wrong side of the law when they died, but it
 seems to me in retrospect that CK almost made less of an effort to bring
 these people to justice, and 'let' bad things happen to them so he wouldn't
 have to deal with them.  Not that I blame him, given that by the latter
 seasons, most of the crims were targetting him personally... >>

Well, let's test this theory with the list of toe tags, shall we? ;)

Jason Trask (dead)

There was no way Clark could have saved Trask.  He had his back turned to
him,
he was without his super powers and Rachel Harris gunned him down as he
pulled
a gun on Clark to shoot him in the back.  So no, Clark is utterly blameless
here for Trask's death. (Trask seems to be responsible for the death of
George
Thompson,  the government ombudsman sent to shut down Trask's operations,
and
he would have killed Lois by throwing her out of the plane had Superman not
saved her, and would have killed Martha, Jonathan and Wayne Irig had Clark
not
been victorious)

Vat Man (dead)

Superman's imperfect clone was already dying before he started his
"showdown"
with Clark.  There was nothing Clark could have done to save him.

Mayson Drake (dead)

Admittedly Clark was slow off the mark on that one, but he was also slow in
Top Copy when a timer again is heard by him near the end of the countdown
and
the government witness gets wounded.  Plus, Mayson didn't find out until she
was already dying.  Not to mention Clark wouldn't want her dead, so that
wouldn't have been a motive in not getting there in time in any event.

Nigel St. John (dead)

Not much Clark could do about him. Nigel was being poisoned at the same time
that Clark was being killed by Kryptonite <G>

Spencer Spencer (dead)
Heidi (dead)
Pescado (dead)

This group of three from Ordinary People would be the most iffy.  Clark had
just frozen them saying "that'll hold you" when Spencer's gunmen came in
firing blindly. If he had *immediately* done that super speed maneuver and
knocked them out, then the Spencer ice cube group might have been defrosted
and sent to prison, though after Clark had been exposed to Kryptonite, it
might have taken him a bit to get back up to "speed" <g>  I could have lived
happily without the quip "He's a broken man" ;)

Lois' clone (dead)

Like Vat Man, she was going to die regardless of anything Clark could have
possibly done.

Lex Luthor (dead ... again)

Clark tried to save Lex when Lex made his swan dive suicide attempt, but was
left too weak from exposure to Kryptonite to save him.  Clark also cut the
electric wires when Lex tried to kill himself again in The Phoenix.  In
Seconds, Clark was concerned with getting Lois out of the underground
hideout
before it caved-in, and again, due to Lex's own devices, Clark wasn't up to
super speed. He seemed barely able to carry Lois he was so weak.

Other Kryptonians (dead or moved to another planet)

The dead Kryptonians were killed by Kryptonite gas, which made it impossible
for Clark to save them when he couldn't even save himself from such a
weapon.

Lex's son a.k.a. Mr. Smith/troll (dead)

Lex's son had a forcefield that prevented Clark from even touching him, much
less saving him.  Clark's plan had been to knock troll around a bit with his
super breath and get hold of the control device, unfortunately, Leslie had
other ideas...

Leslie Luckabee (dead)

Already shot by troll, and thus not in the best of shape as it is, detonated
the bomb. Clark barely had enough time to get Lois out before the whole
place
went up.

Bud Collins (the guy who died from the car bombing in The Dad Who Came in
from
the Cold, before expiring, he said, "Superman, did anybody tell you you look
just like Clark Kent, only without the glasses?")

Well, this guy, like Mayson (and sometimes it reads almost like a parody of
that scene from Lucky Leon) learned the secret (maybe in Bud's case) just
before he was going to croak anyway, and like Mayson, Clark certainly didn't
want him dead.

So, out of those who died and knew (or were strongly suspected of knowing),
I'd say only Spencer's group would be iffy, in that Clark might have been
able
to save them. The others, no, he was either powerless at the time, they were
already dying, or someone else took the matter out of his  hands.  To tell
the
truth, I think Clark would use  his last dying breath even to save a villain
who caused him to be issuing that last breath.

>>>Anyone ever done a total body count for the entire show?  It started with
Luthor and Baines going a little over the top cleaning up after themselves,
and while I can't think of anyone who died at the hands of Trask in SV,
Luthor showed from the start, in the Pilot and NB that he wasn't out to
spare lives.<<

Trask did seem to be responsible for the death of George Thompson, the
government ombudsman as mentioned above.  He had Lois thrown out of a plane
as
bait, and would have killed Clark, Martha, Jonathan and Wayne Irig (a man he
had already busted a couple of fingers of ;) Trask wanted to save humanity
>from an alien invasion no matter how much of humanity had to die in the
cause.

I'd say that the first couple of seasons had the most graphic violence, at
least in the sense of the "conventional" type of violence (guns, bombings,
stabbings).  To me, the most violent scene from the series was when Mrs. Cox
and the fake Lex had the shootout for the Kryptonite in the 1rst season
finale.  There was a sadistic quality to episodes with Lex.  Smart Kids, for
example, an otherwise fairly boring kiddie ep, had Lex talking to a man he
had
literally turned into a vegetable by force-feeding him (the funnel was still
strapped to his mouth) the super smart stuff.  His sadism with Superman
trapped in the cage was another stand out.

Any time Lex returned, the sadism returned with a vengeance.  In The
Phoenix,
he talked about cutting Bender open and sewing a rat up inside his chest.
Then Bender was of course killed with a poison dart. He pushed Gretchen
Kelley
into the power supply and electrocuted her.  In the non-wedding arc, Lex was
at the apex of cruelty and sadism.  He made Clark beg for his parents'
lives,
took glee in telling the clone he's lied to her about extending her life,
etc.
He had become the ultimate monster.

Third and fourth season, while lacking much of that graphic "conventional"
violence, and thankfully most of the sadism, a kind of cavalier approach to
deaths (or violence) took its place. Mindy Church polishing her nails while
a
group of crime bosses were gassed, though I have to admit I laughed, and
still
laugh at that scene especially when the warning voice says "In the unlikely
event of poison gas.."  (oh well, McNarmara's writing gets to me ;)
There's
also the screaming man strapped down in OP, the starting of the sacrifice
scene in When Irish Eyes are Killing,  the Smallville denizen burned down by
heat vision, etc.  One factor that might have lessened the impact of the
violence was the use of villains were not realistically threatening since
they
were used more for humor's sake like Mindy, Tempus (though he got darker in
4th season), Spencer, Tim and Amber Lake, Nell and Lucille, Mxyzptlk, Herbie
&
Katie, etc.  Some more effective than others and some were misfires, but
none
of the caliber of Lex, and to that I say "thank goodness" because Lex was
the
"undefeated" and like 1rst season he returned to that status during the non-
wedding arc, and that was costly in more ways than one.  I much preferred
Tempus, who would always wage war, but always lose the individual battles.
Lois and Clark worked as a team to defeat Tempus, but that never happened
satisfactorily with Lex.

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At 03:21 PM 11/02/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/2/98 2:16:33 PM Central Standard Time,
>gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU writes:
>
><< When did he find out? >>
>
>In the episode And the Answer Is... (2nd season finale)
>
>Zoomway@aol.com
>

How do we know that Nigel knew the secret?

Jason "Did I ever tell you how my father died?" Mazik wouldn't
have told him the secret id or that he knew it, only that he had
a way to get to S and needed green K. I think Nigel was present
only at the first of the 'revealing' transmissions between Mazik
and Clark, and Superman/Clark denied it. So Nigel may have believed
that CK=S but I don't think you can say he KNEW it.
And Nigel could have thought that Kent's parents as kidnap victims
were unrelated to CK=S, it is no secret that Superman is a friend
of Lois & Clark.

And if he did know it why didn't he drop Mazik like a hot potato?
He has the Kryptonite, why does Nigel need Mazik?
Only for the knowledge of the secret.

Therefore Nigel can't know, because it makes both he and Mazik the
biggest idiots on the face of the earth. Mazik for letting Nigel know
and Nigel for not leaving Mazik the second he found out.

And Mazik's double-cross proves he wasn't an idiot as does Nigel's
double-cross of Lex.

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Hi all!
This is in response to Zoom's post:
>
> I'd say that the first couple of seasons had the most graphic violence, at
> least in the sense of the "conventional" type of violence (guns, bombings,
> stabbings).  To me, the most violent scene from the series was when Mrs.
Cox
> and the fake Lex had the shootout for the Kryptonite in the 1rst season
> finale.

I would have to disagree.  I think that the most grphic violence would
be in the second season episode Chi of Steel.  Clarks friend from the
eye doctorwhy Clark would acually see an eye doctor is beyond me) who
also works for the newspaper gets beat up pretty badly.  You don't
acually see him beat up but you do see the blood.  This is the
deffinatly most if not the only blood you really see in the series.

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At 17:38 2/11/98 EST, you wrote:
><<  am more interested in the stats - boy that is a secret with a high
> mortality rate!  13 plus or minus 1 of the people who knew it died.
> Admittedly, most were on the wrong side of the law when they died, but it
> seems to me in retrospect that CK almost made less of an effort to bring
> these people to justice, and 'let' bad things happen to them so he
wouldn't
> have to deal with them.  Not that I blame him, given that by the latter
> seasons, most of the crims were targetting him personally... >>
>
>Well, let's test this theory with the list of toe tags, shall we? ;)

Nice summary:)
>
>So, out of those who died and knew (or were strongly suspected of knowing),
>I'd say only Spencer's group would be iffy, in that Clark might have been
able
>to save them. The others, no, he was either powerless at the time, they
were
>already dying, or someone else took the matter out of his  hands.  To tell
the
>truth, I think Clark would use  his last dying breath even to save a
villain
>who caused him to be issuing that last breath.

OK, So I phrased myself badly... I do that!  As you list above, in most
cases there was little CK could have done in a lot of cases.  Mostly what I
was trying to say is that if it was Lois or himself on the line, they found
a way to save themselves somehow.  Despite time generally being against CK,
there wasn't that same do or die attitude to the badies.  I don't blame
him, except that as you point out above, we expect he would use his last
breath trying to save some nasty nobody.  Anyway, what I was trying to say
>
As for 1st and 2nd season being more graphic, less subtle, less implied in
violence, I think that comes down to the audience they were aiming at.  The
first 15 eps (or what ever number Witness was) of S1 were aimed much more
the mature audience.  As the remaining seasons went on, the targetted
audience changed as did the violence (and IMO the brainpower) levels of the
show.

But I am still curious about how many people (including others who didn't
know the secret) were killed in LNC (on screen).  I have always regarded
LNC as basically non-violent.  It strikes me now that I obviously never
really considered the matter much before.  It has got more than it's fair
share of murder and senseless violence.

Do I need to support the senseless violence with examples?<g> - the
kidnappings in TS is a good example - totally necessary for the plot, but
still violence.

Anyway, enough senseless raving!
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Sara Kraft wrote:

> >> Anyway...then I
> asked who was starring in it.  The guy said John Shea!  My heart
> skipped a
> beat.  (of course everyone else was like.."who?")  I then asked the
> guy if
> John was there and he said that he had already finished filming and
> left
> town.  =(  GRRRR!!!!  I was so excited! =(<<

What a bummer!!!! Oh well it was a neat *almost* close encounter!=)

>
>
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At 08:48 AM 11/2/1998 -0500, Sheila H. wrote:
>At 01:01 PM 11/2/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>It was mentioned that Superman came to Portugal in
>>November 1997 to help the south of the country due to the awful floodings
>we had
>>around that time. I couldn't believe my own eyes...! If only
>>that would have been true! (the help, I mean. Unfortunately, the floods
were
>>quite real).
>
>Since you mention a date, it could have been Debby's Dawning.

Wasn't me (I just checked/searched). When I think of floods, I tend to
think of mountains and while Portugal may have mountains, I probably
thought of south of the US border :)

So it has to be you... :)

>I know that I
>mentioned Superman helping with flooding in Portugal in my "Mxysplit."  I
>don't remember why I chose Portugal, unless it was a dim memory of having
>heard of disasterous flooding there, so it seemed like a likely place for
it
>to happen.

Now there has been flooding in Kansas. I wonder if CK would swim home
quickly to help out...

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who heard of floods in Albuquerque just after she moved here...
then learned it happened a decade or so before I came and
that the Corps of Engineers or someone took care of it... whew!
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Celia-
Whoa.  OK, I dunno what you wrote here, but I got about 3 pages of this:

<<SGkgdGhlcmUhDQpCZWluZyBhIHJlY2VudCBGb0xDIGFuZCBoYXZpbmcgcmVhZCBzb21lIGdyZWF0

IGZhbmZpY3MsIHNvbWV0aGluZyBjYW1lIHRvIG1pbmQuDQoNCkFzIHlvdSBhbGwga25vdywgQ2xh>>

Maybe some wierd format that my Juno email system can't handle?  Did
anyone else have this problem?  Anywayz... um, could you maybe refrain
>from doing that again?  It's just a big ole mess to folcs like me...

-Jill aka AlienDove-
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Celia escreveu:
> Hi there!
> Being a recent FoLC and having read some great fanfics, something came =
to
> mind.

Benvinda, Celia!  (that's welcome, for those of you who don't speak Portu=
guese
here, and I'm really hoping I spelled it right <g>)

> As you all know, Clark traveled around the world and speaks fluently =
a great
> number of languages. To me, it's always
> great to read foreign languages in the fanfics (of course that English =
is also
> foreign to me, since I am Portuguese...!), be it French or Spanish (the
> only languages found so far). I think that it's very exciting for the =
fans of
> the show to read a few sentences in their home language, either spoken
> by Clark or anybody else in the story/plot.

Having grown up as an American in Brazil, I sometimes tend to think in =
a
mixture of Portuguese and English (commonly referred to as portuginglish =
;)
and have occasionally tossed Portuguese words into my stories ("...Shatte=
rs"
specifically comes to mind.)  And if I can ever get it finished, Lois & =
Clark
will be visiting Brazil in a little story to be called "Passion Fruit"

> Anyway... as I've never read so far any fanfic with Portuguese
> sentences/words/etc, I thought to just let you all know that I am here =
to help if
> you need that kind of help. I must remind you that Brazilian Portuguese=
 is quite
> different from the European Portuguese and that the official Portuguese
> language is actually the one from Portugal, not Brazil.

Oh, and Brazilians would argue that point with you!!! <g>  But it's true,
Brazilian Portuguese is as different from European Portuguese as American
English is from British English.

> And this is all for now,
> Thanks for keeping me so happy over these last few weeks, reading all =
the
> fabulous fanfics...!
> Keep writing, there's always someone paying attention,

Agradeco o encorajamento :)

Peace

A FoLC Named Peace
Lois & Clark fanfic and a personal love story
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In a message dated 98-11-02 23:01:04 EST, you write:

<< I'd say that the first couple of seasons had the most graphic violence,
at
 > least in the sense of the "conventional" type of violence (guns,
bombings,
 > stabbings).  To me, the most violent scene from the series was when Mrs.
Cox
 > and the fake Lex had the shootout for the Kryptonite in the 1rst season
 > finale.
  >>

The scene that disturbed me the most from the whole series was in "Target,
Jimmy Olsen" where Jimmy is choking Lois and the gruesome threesome is
watching in delight.  I always have to fast forward through that part, way
too
violent for me.
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In a message dated 11/2/98 8:01:17 PM Central Standard Time,
gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU writes:

<< How do we know that Nigel knew the secret? >>

I watched the ep <g>

>>>Jason "Did I ever tell you how my father died?" Mazik wouldn't
have told him the secret id or that he knew it, only that he had
a way to get to S and needed green K. I think Nigel was present
only at the first of the 'revealing' transmissions between Mazik
and Clark, and Superman/Clark denied it. So Nigel may have believed
that CK=S but I don't think you can say he KNEW it.<<<

Um, I'd say that when Superman showed up with Lois's dead body and asked
Mazik
"Where are *my* parents?" and then when tossed into the chamber with the
Kents, Martha ran to Superman shouting, "Clark!" it probably added up enough
for even a blind man to get the picture<g>  Sorry, Nigel seemed to know from
the onset that Mazik had uncovered the truth that Clark was Superman and
believed that.  Nigel, as is revealed in the episode, was contacted by
Mazik,
they had a "business arrangement" wherein Nigel would be given "certain
rewards" for delivering the Kryptonite.  Mazik is quick to point out that
the
rewards are half the money they make using Superman as their personal thief,
"and the diary ain't part of the deal", so spake Mazik to Nigel.

The diary contained information that made Mazik's father rich, it contained
the truth about Superman, so what else did it say?  If nothing else, then
surely Mazik would have had no objection to handing the diary over to Nigel.
All it's "magic" so to speak, had been spent.  Why, once he killed Superman,
not just hand it over if everything of true interest in it had been spoken
of
and exploited?  I have a feeling that Mazik kept it because it was still of
great value even with Superman dead. That there were things he could still
invest in, and know the coming of thanks to the diary and be ahead of the
game.

>>>And if he did know it why didn't he drop Mazik like a hot potato?
He has the Kryptonite, why does Nigel need Mazik?
Only for the knowledge of the secret.<<

If you rewatch the episode, you'll see that the knowledge that Clark was
Superman was of little interest to Nigel other than it's exploitable
monetary
value, and even he seemed to realize that such knowledge had finite
exploitability, "Getting a little greedy, are we?"   When you think about
it,
knowing that Clark is Superman isn't all that valuable unless you were more
interested in ruining his private life rather than blackmailing him, because
Nigel of all people would know about Lois being a weakness of Superman's and
could have kidnapped her and blackmailed Superman to commit crimes for him
without ever knowing or caring that Superman happens to also be Clark Kent.
So if Nigel's primary fascination had been to do what Mazik had in mind,
coerce Superman to commit crimes, he could have done that as soon as he
double-crossed Lex for the Kryptonite.

No, I think the diary and what it contained is what interested Nigel and
what
he really wanted.  It was to his advantage to let Mazik do all the contact
and
hands-on dirty work, if he learned nothing else from Lex, Nigel did seem to
learn that it's better to keep your own hands clean and let someone else
take
the fall if things go wrong. So Nigel simply waited, let Mazik do the
dastardly deed, and then he turned his attention to the diary.  Superman was
out of the way, and so Nigel was finally free and clear to navigate towards
the diary.  Of course he could have shot Mazik in the back as they left the
chamber, hoping that Mazik still was carrying the diary, but if he wasn't,
the
trail to the diary would suddenly turn as cold as Lois's body ;)

In summation: NIGEL KNEW! <g>

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At 03:42 PM 11/03/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/2/98 8:01:17 PM Central Standard Time,
>gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU writes:
>
><< How do we know that Nigel knew the secret? >>
>
>I watched the ep <g>
>

Oh sure, Zoom, take the easy way out....;-)

>
>Um, I'd say that when Superman showed up with Lois's dead body and asked
Mazik
>"Where are *my* parents?"

That doesn't necessarily imply CK=S, they could be brothers...

>and then when tossed into the chamber with the
>Kents, Martha ran to Superman shouting, "Clark!" it probably added up
enough
>for even a blind man to get the picture<g>

Twin brothers?

> Sorry, Nigel seemed to know from
>the onset that Mazik had uncovered the truth that Clark was Superman and
>believed that.  Nigel, as is revealed in the episode, was contacted by
Mazik,
>they had a "business arrangement" wherein Nigel would be given "certain
>rewards" for delivering the Kryptonite.  Mazik is quick to point out that
the
>rewards are half the money they make using Superman as their personal
thief,
>"and the diary ain't part of the deal", so spake Mazik to Nigel.
>

If Nigel knew why didn't Mazik say making Clark Kent their personal thief?
If they're criminals, shouldn't they enjoy the moment? Especially if your
theory that Tempus is a descendent of Mazik is true?

>>>>And if he did know it why didn't he drop Mazik like a hot potato?
>He has the Kryptonite, why does Nigel need Mazik?
>Only for the knowledge of the secret.<<
>
>If you rewatch the episode, you'll see that the knowledge that Clark was
>Superman was of little interest to Nigel other than it's exploitable
monetary
>value,

And who had deeper pockets Intergang or Mazik? He wanted to buy a boat,
a ready made boat, not even a custom one.

>
>No, I think the diary and what it contained is what interested Nigel and
what
>he really wanted.  It was to his advantage to let Mazik do all the contact
and
>hands-on dirty work, if he learned nothing else from Lex, Nigel did seem to
>learn that it's better to keep your own hands clean and let someone else
take
>the fall if things go wrong.

So Nigel is smart enough to keep his hands clean, but dumb enough to drink
first?
(Do you see why I have problem with this part of ep?)
It's like being smart enough to defuse a bomb but dumb emough to take a hot
pan
>from the stove without a potholder...

>In summation: NIGEL KNEW! <g>
>

He could've fooled me...Lex had a more appropriate reaction to the news.

If it looks like a duck and tastes good with plum sauce....

Nigel is unique in that he is the only one on your list of those who knew
who never acknowledged that fact. He never said CK=S or vague words to that
effect. So I rule him out on that technicality.

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> > Anyway... as I've never read so far any fanfic with Portuguese
> > sentences/words/etc, I thought to just let you all know that I am
> here to help if
> > you need that kind of help. I must remind you that Brazilian
> Portuguese is quite
> > different from the European Portuguese and that the official
> Portuguese
> > language is actually the one from Portugal, not Brazil.
>
> >>Oh, and Brazilians would argue that point with you!!! <g>  But it's
> true,
> Brazilian Portuguese is as different from European Portuguese as
> American
> English is from British English.<<

Just curious, but here in Hawaii there are a lot of Portuguese.  Which
kind is it?  Maybe Maeve knows?

I had a good friend in high school. She was by blood German, but was
born and raised in Brazil.  It was confusing spending the night at her
house cuz her parents only spoke portuguese. The Only two things I can
remember how to say from this experience is "I love you" and "Do you
want a slap in the face?!" *LOL*!!! But I won't even attempt trying to
spell it! :)

j-mee

>
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Does any one what Lois's middle name is?  I'm sure it came up in a past
massege.  I needed it for some reason the other day, I don't remember
why.  But it is starting to drive me crazy, I hate it when I can't
remember things that I should know.

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At 5:59 PM -0800 11/3/98, julie slisz wrote:
>Does any one what Lois's middle name is?  I'm sure it came up in a past
>massege.  I needed it for some reason the other day, I don't remember
>why.  But it is starting to drive me crazy, I hate it when I can't
>remember things that I should know.

It was never mentioned on the show, sorry.

In the comics, her middle initial was given as J and I believe someone
posted that in a recent issue, both their full names were given, but I
can't remember what the two middle names where.  I think Clark's might have
been Joseph?  Regardless, it wasn't the same as on the show (Jerome) and
so, even if the comics have given Lois's middle name, it is in no way canon
for L&C.

Kathy

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Kathy Brown wrote:
>
> At 5:59 PM -0800 11/3/98, julie slisz wrote:
> >Does any one what Lois's middle name is?  I'm sure it came up in a past
> >massege.  I needed it for some reason the other day, I don't remember
> >why.  But it is starting to drive me crazy, I hate it when I can't
> >remember things that I should know.
>

It's Joanne in the comics.

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In reply to julie slisz's question, Kathy wrote:

> It [L's middle name] was never mentioned on the show, sorry.

> In the comics, her middle initial was given as J and I believe
someone posted that in a recent issue, both their full names were
given, but I can't remember what the two middle names where.  I think
Clark's might have been Joseph?  Regardless, it wasn't the same as on
the show (Jerome) and so, even if the comics have given Lois's middle
name, it is in no way canon for L&C. <

According to last year's "Superman Secret Files", it's Clark Joseph
Kent, Lois Joanne Lane and Perry Jerome White. Jimmy, of course, we
already knew was James Bartholomew.

As far as L&C goes, well, do what you like. I've seen "Lois Marie" and
"Lois Ellen" in fanfics, and I kinda liked the first, but it's up for
grabs because, as Kathy says, it was never mentioned in the series.

Phil, whose family has a tradition of middle names being those of the
parents.
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Peace wrote:

Benvinda, Celia!  (that's welcome, for those of you who don't speak
Portuguese
here, and I'm really hoping I spelled it right <g>)

--> Celia here! Hi! You spelled it right, of course! It was great to hear
from
you. And then Peace wrote:

Having grown up as an American in Brazil, I sometimes tend to think in a
mixture of Portuguese and English (commonly referred to as portuginglish ;)
and have occasionally tossed Portuguese words into my stories ("...Shatters"
specifically comes to mind.)  And if I can ever get it finished, Lois &
Clark
will be visiting Brazil in a little story to be called "Passion Fruit"

--> I really must read your story some day. And I take the chance to renew
my
offer to review every
Portuguese word, if you ever need it! As for:

Oh, and Brazilians would argue that point with you!!! <g>  But it's true,
Brazilian Portuguese is as different from European Portuguese as American
English is from British English.

--> I have to agree with you in here! Believe me, * I * know what I'm
talking
about... You see, I work in
an American company in Portugal that manufactures printers . And it's been a
hard battle to make
the American believe that the software *has* to be in Portuguese, not
Brazilian... since it really doesn't
make any sense for us, not mentioning the legal aspects. Brazil does have
words
that we don't have in Portugal.
 As more specific a certain area/field/subject is, the more complicated it
gets.
They finally understood this and I'm glad!
Let me just say that the Brazilian Portuguese is much more different when
compared to the European
one than the American English when compared to the British English. It's
definitely not just a case of
accent...! (I have to say here that I prefer Brazilian accent, though!) And:

Agradeco o encorajamento :)

Peace

--> For those of you who don't understand, Peace wrote "Thanks for the
encouragement". Well,
I just want to be helpful... Ate a proxima!

Cheers,
Celia.
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Hi there again!
I'm just trying to answer to the following:

Just curious, but here in Hawaii there are a lot of Portuguese.  Which
kind is it?  Maybe Maeve knows?

I had a good friend in high school. She was by blood German, but was
born and raised in Brazil.  It was confusing spending the night at her
house cuz her parents only spoke portuguese. The Only two things I can
remember how to say from this experience is "I love you" and "Do you
want a slap in the face?!" *LOL*!!! But I won't even attempt trying to
spell it! :)

--> Well, I do know that there is a big colony of Portuguese people
somewhere in
      Hawaii. There

was even a programme on TV some time ago regarding this subject. But then
again,
      although

Portugal is a small country in terms of area, the Portuguese seem to be
spread
      all over the world!!!

I guess it must be that very old habit/custom that's stuck with us since the
      discoveries in the 15th century...!

Anyway, I think Maeve should know. She wrote once saying that she was in
      Portugal visiting Lisbon in

1993, if my memory doesn't fail me...

As for "I love you" and "Do you want a slap in the face?!", I can help here.
I
      couldn't help laughing at

this, though. "I love you" is "Amo-te" and "Queres levar uma bofetada?"
stands
      for the other sentence.

Of course they could have used other words for "slap", we have a lot of
them,
      you know! Such as:

estalo, chapada, lamparina, etc... Some are slang. I don't know what your
      friend's parents preferences

were...!

Bye now.
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On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:23:13 -0500 Gary
<gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU> wrote:

> >and then when tossed into the chamber with the
> >Kents, Martha ran to Superman shouting, "Clark!" it probably added up
enough
> >for even a blind man to get the picture<g>
>
> Twin brothers?
>
Errrr - *both* called Clark?

>
> Nigel is unique in that he is the only one on your list of those who knew
> who never acknowledged that fact. He never said CK=S or vague words to
that
> effect. So I rule him out on that technicality.
>
Hmmmm - I've just re-watched 'Fly Hard' - it's fairly clear
>from that episode that Jack has guessed something. With all
the Super things Clark did in Jack's vicinity it would have
been difficult for him not to have figured something out,
and I've noticed that FoLCs generally speculate that Jack
did know. As far as I remember, he was on Zoom's list.
But... he never said to Clark (or anyone) 'You are
Superman', or words to that effect; all he said, with a
'meaningful glance', was 'If I told anyone about this they
wouldn't believe it'. So I don't think the absence of
specific confirmation from Nigel's own lips is sufficient
reason to rule out his knowing.

Wendy
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Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Hi all :)

A few weeks ago I posted to this list that I'd had a much different version
of my fanfic, When You Needed Me Most, that told of Clark revealing to the
world that he was Supes.  Of course, I scrapped all that part of the fanfic
due to glaring A-plot holes, etc.  :)

But I was very surprised when I got several requests from folcs who wanted
to read this old version of the story.  So, to any one else out there that
might be interested in reading a "world revelation" type version of it,
please email me privately and I'll include you with the bunch of ppl I'm
sending it out to.  I was able to copy and paste it into a very long email
<g>, so it's not a problem for those who can't accept attachments.

Let me know if you want a copy.  My email addy is in my sig below.

Erin  :)
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At 08:43 PM 04/11/98 +0000, you wrote:
>On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:23:13 -0500 Gary
><gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU> wrote:
>
>> >and then when tossed into the chamber with the
>> >Kents, Martha ran to Superman shouting, "Clark!" it probably added up
enough
>> >for even a blind man to get the picture<g>
>>
>> Twin brothers?
>>
>Errrr - *both* called Clark?
>
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>  Twin brothers?
> >
> Errrr - *both* called Clark?
>
Could happen. I went to high school with two brothers--not twins,
though--both named Michael Bruce.
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At 08:43 PM 11/04/1998 +0000, you wrote:
>On Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:23:13 -0500 Gary
><gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU> wrote:
>
>> >and then when tossed into the chamber with the
>> >Kents, Martha ran to Superman shouting, "Clark!" it probably added up
enough
>> >for even a blind man to get the picture<g>
>>
>> Twin brothers?
>>
>Errrr - *both* called Clark?
>

I don't know about your side of the Atlantic, but over here people are
called
twins because they look alike, not because the have the same name. ;-)
And even if they didn't look alike, I'd be rich if I had a nickel for every
time my mother called me by my brother's name, and we look nothing like
one another.

>>
>> Nigel is unique in that he is the only one on your list of those who knew
>> who never acknowledged that fact. He never said CK=S or vague words to
that
>> effect. So I rule him out on that technicality.
>>
>Hmmmm - I've just re-watched 'Fly Hard' - it's fairly clear
>>from that episode that Jack has guessed something. With all
>the Super things Clark did in Jack's vicinity it would have
>been difficult for him not to have figured something out,
>and I've noticed that FoLCs generally speculate that Jack
>did know. As far as I remember, he was on Zoom's list.
>But... he never said to Clark (or anyone) 'You are
>Superman', or words to that effect; all he said, with a
>'meaningful glance', was 'If I told anyone about this they
>wouldn't believe it'.

That has to refer to CK=S, they were held hostage at a world-wide
newspaper, everyone will know and believe the hostage story after
it has been reported.

> So I don't think the absence of
>specific confirmation from Nigel's own lips is sufficient
>reason to rule out his knowing.
>

Just because someone doesn't say 'I love you' doesn't mean that they do
not love you, however because this is something important we expect/demand
that explicit proclamations be made. I feel that CK=S is equally important
within the context of any of the Superman/Lois & Clark stories.

>Wendy
>----------------------
>Wendy Richards
>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
>

Gary
who felt much better after "Who's asking, Clark or Superman?"

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At 08:55 AM 11/4/1998 -0500, Phil wrote:

[snip]

>As far as L&C goes, well, do what you like. I've seen "Lois Marie" and
>"Lois Ellen" in fanfics, and I kinda liked the first, but it's up for
>grabs because, as Kathy says, it was never mentioned in the series.

It's up for grabs as far as I'm concerned ;)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who will work in into a Dawning somewhere...
and who will be away from her computer from
Nov 6-12, daring the snows of Casper, Wyoming :)
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This was sent to me and I kept wondering how our favorite reporters would
deal
with a similar situation...

<<As if any proof was needed, the following AP dispatch demonstrates that
working on environmental issues isn't always fun and games. "Grapes of
Wrath," anyone?

  Regional
   Ex-Reporter Sentenced for Silence

   SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) -- A former newspaper
   reporter was sentenced to five days in jail for refusing to tell a
   grand jury his sources for articles about a landfill project.

   John Rezendes-Herrick, who worked for the Inland Valley
   Daily Bulletin, was also ordered Tuesday to pay a $500 fine. He
   was allowed to remain free while he appeals.

   Now a 7th grade teacher, Rezendes-Herrick was twice called
   before the San Bernardino grand jury to discuss his coverage of
   a proposal to import 20,000 tons of Los Angeles trash each day
   to a site in the Mojave Desert.

   Rezendes-Herrick cited California's shield law, which protects
   reporters from having to reveal confidential sources to
   government entities.

   The reporter was first called to testify about whether he had
   been paid to write negative stories about Cadiz Land Co., the
   main opponent of the landfill, according to legal papers filed by
   his attorney, Jim Manning. Rezendes-Herrick denied the
   allegations.

   Rezendes-Herrick was called again Tuesday and declined to
   answer questions that would have revealed his sources.

   The $130 million Rail-Cycle landfill has been on hold since
   1996, when San Bernardino County voters rejected a proposed
   tax needed for the project to go forward. Rezendes-Herrick
   began writing about the landfill in 1996.

   Santa Monica-based Cadiz had opposed the project, saying the
   proposed 40-story dump would threaten its grape vineyards
   and pollute water in a large aquifer underneath its farm.

   Superior Court Judge J. Michael Welch ordered
   Rezendes-Herrick to answer questions Tuesday after
   prosecutors cited a recent appeals court decision that said the
   rights of reporters to protect sources must be weighed against
   demands of both sides of a criminal case in their attempts to
   have a fair trial.

   Terry Francke, attorney for the California First Amendment
   Coalition, said the case ``represents a collapse of a major part
   of the shield law.''

   Rail-Cycle, its parent company Waste Management Inc. and
   five current or former employees were indicted last month on 23
   counts, including wiretapping and stock fraud.

   Waste Management was accused of attempting to ruin Cadiz by
   spreading false and misleading information about the company
   so it couldn't spend money opposing Rail-Cycle.

   Rezendes-Herrick left the paper voluntarily in good standing,
   Editor Mike Brossart said.

   (PROFILE (CO:Cadiz Land Company Inc; TS:CLCI;
   IG:REA;) (CO:Waste Management Inc; TS:WMX; IG:SVC;) )

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Larus2407 wrote:

>This was sent to me and I kept wondering how our favorite reporters
would deal
>with a similar situation...
>
><<As if any proof was needed, the following AP dispatch demonstrates
that
>working on environmental issues isn't always fun and games. "Grapes
of
>Wrath," anyone?
>
>  Regional
>   Ex-Reporter Sentenced for Silence
>
>   SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) -- A former newspaper
>   reporter was sentenced to five days in jail for refusing to tell a
>   grand jury his sources for articles about a landfill project.

Great premise, Larus, and lots of A and B plot possibilities,
depending on when the event occurs in the L&C timeline, and  which of
our reporters ends up in the slammer.

We've seen Clark arrested as Superman in MOSB, but what if he's
arrested as Clark?  Superman can't ignore a cry for help--does Clark
risk revealing his other identity by breaking jail to rescue someone
in trouble?  How does he cover his tracks and explain his absence?
("Uh...I just remembered, I have to return an overdue book to the
prison library," probably won't cut it with the guards <g>)

There was an early episode of Murphy Brown that had Murphy in jail for
refusing to reveal her sources for an article.  Murphy's behavior was
remarkably similar to what I would have expected from first or second
Lois.  Murphy was prepared to deal with a tough, high-security prison,
but nearly went insane from boredom when she ended up in a
country-club federal prison, surrounded by white collar criminals.

And If the episode is set after the wedding and *both* of our
reporters end up in separate jails, there are always n-fic
possibilities for conjugal visits ;)

Hope someone writes this one!

Pat

peabody@mcs.com
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Hey, isn't this the plot of the Source?  Except Lois didn't get jailed.

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FoLC's generally believe that Jack knows that CK=S.  But Jack who?  Jack
Olsen, Jimmy's father, or Jack the guy that broke into Clark's
apartment?

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>FoLC's generally believe that Jack knows that CK=S.  But Jack who?  Jack
>Olsen, Jimmy's father, or Jack the guy that broke into Clark's
>apartment?

Jack the guy that broke in CK's apartment :o)  At least that's who I think
knows!

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In a message dated 11/5/98 12:23:43 PM Central Standard Time,
forum101@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< FoLC's generally believe that Jack knows that CK=S.  But Jack who?  Jack
 Olsen, Jimmy's father, or Jack the guy that broke into Clark's
 apartment? >>

Jack, the kid who broke into Clark's apartment.  I hated the very hint that
he
would know.  The idea the kid Clark befriended knew the secret, started
sounding like Batman and Robin.  Worse, it seemed to indicate that the show
was seriously going to diminish Lois and Clark's relationship in favor of
"zap-pow" action for 2nd season, and so the kid would learn the secret
instead
of Lois (an icky girl ;).  Fortunately Chris Demetral (Jack) was only
hastily
added to the cast because Michael Landes (1rst season Jimmy) wasn't
appealing
to 9-13 year-old female demographics like Jon Brandis of seaQuest (L&C's
major
competition the first two seasons)  When Demetral flopped with the little
girls as well, he was history, and so the series managed to struggle through
without him ;)

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Hi all :)

Okay, I give up! <g>  Since I had such an onslaught of email (50+ since last
night ;)requesting this OLD version of my fanfic, When You Needed Me Most, I
thought I'd just go ahead and post it to the list.  I hope that's okay!  And
for those of you who are *not* interested in reading it, please hit the
delete key now.  :)

WARNINGS!!  please read:

I want to make sure everyone is forewarned...this is the OLD,
placed-in-my-recycle-bin-and-just-recently-recovered-from-an-old-disk
version of the last half of my story.  It was PUT in my recycle bin because
there were glaring A-plot holes, etc, and because of that, I never did put
the final polish on it.  So DO NOT expect this version to be
archive-submittable quality.  <g>  And please *do not* email me saying, "Do
you realize you have a plot hole in this part of the story?"  because I
know.  :)  That's why the "published" version of my fanfic is very
different.  :)  I am releasing this just because I've had enough ppl
interested in reading it, and thought it might give folcs something LNC
related to read.  <g>

Also, keep in mind that, since I never did use this alternate ending, I'm
going to be using various bits and pieces  from this old version of my story
in a NEW story I'm working on.  So if you read my soon-to-be-finished fanfic
on the archive in the next couple of months, and parts of it sound familiar,
you can't say I didn't warn you.  <g>

OH!  Also--since this story was so long to begin with, I'm not including all
of it;  just the part where it branches off and changes direction from the
original.  The version below begins after the doctors decide to use the
Kryptonite to weaken CK's skin to get the blood samples from him.  If you've
never read the original story and have no clue what I'm talking about <bg>,
I suggest you read the original version first.

Now, on with the story!

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WHEN YOU NEEDED ME MOST
(LAST HALF OF THE OLD VERSION)
by Erin Klingler
erink@ida.net

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.......
All the doctors in the room nodded, finally understanding what Clark was
telling them.  "So how long would you need to be exposed to the Kryptonite
for this to work?"  One of the specialists asked.

Clark looked over at Dr. Klein and they thought for a minute.  "Maybe about
ten minutes," they decided.

The doctors all looked at each other, mulling it over.  Finally Dr. Simons
said, "Okay, then let's do it!"  Instantly there was a room full of hustling
people as everyone went back to their stations or left the room to get
things ready for the blood analysis.

"Uh, Dr. Simons?"  Clark asked quietly.  Dr. Simons turned to him.  Clark
continued.  "Would it be okay if I went to tell my folks what we're going to
do?  Also, I'd like to send them back to my apartment so they could get some
sleep.  They've been here all night."

Dr. Simons smiled understandingly.  "You bet."  Then his smile brightened as
he tried to lighten the seriousness of the moment.  He winked at Clark.
"Besides,  I don't think I'm strong enough to keep you from going even if I
told you you couldn't."

Clark smiled.  "Thanks.  Oh... if you could make sure there are a couple of
security guards posted outside of Lois' room to keep an eye on her after my
parents have left, I'd be grateful."

Dr. Simons patted his arm.  "No problem.  Go on, and I'll call security
right now."

Clark smiled gratefully and took off the circular monitor pads that were
still stuck to him and placed them carefully on the machine beside the bed.
Then he grabbed his flannel shirt and slipped it on, fumbling tiredly with
the buttons.  "I'll be back in a minute."

"No hurry.  Take all the time you need."

Clark was pleased to see that when he reached Lois' room a few minutes
later, two security guards were already posted there.  And he was even more
pleased when they actually stopped him from entering the room.  "I'm sorry,"
the tall, very muscular man said as he stepped in front of Clark.  "This is
a restricted room.  No one is allowed in."

Clark smiled, relieved that Lois would be in good hands.  "I'm Clark Kent,
Lois' husband," he explained to the guard.

The guard suddenly seemed to instantly recognize him, and his face broke out
into a smile.  "Oh, Superman!" he exclaimed, stepping out of the way.  "Of
course, I'm sorry.  I didn't recognize you with your glasses on.  Please, go
right on in."

Clark smiled tiredly at the guard.  He could tell that he was going to have
to get some things straight about his identity so that everyone would know
what to call him.  "Please," he told the guard kindly.  "Call me Clark.
'Superman' isn't really my name. Okay?"

The two guards nodded immediately.  "Of course.  We understand."  Then Clark
smiled thankfully at them before pushing open the door to Lois' room.  He
saw that his parents were both dozing in their chairs by Lois' bed.  He went
quietly over to his mom and shook her lightly.  "Mom, wake up."

She woke up immediately, looking a bit startled.  But they she relaxed when
she saw Clark standing over her  "What time is it?"  she asked quietly.

"About five a.m."  he turned to his dad and woke him up, too.  "I want to
tell you guys what's going on."  His parents listened carefully as Clark
told them what they had decided to do.

His parents were obviously very concerned.  "But Clark, are you sure it'll
be safe?"  his mom asked.  "We know what Kryptonite can do to you.  I'm not
sure this is such a good idea."  And his dad nodded in agreement.

"Under the circumstances, I think that the Kryptonite is actually going to
save Lois' life.  Dr. Simons says that he's discovered that after they get a
sample of my blood, they can mix the healthy anti-bodies in my blood with
some of the blood they extracted from Lois, and mix them together with a
desensitizing agent that they could inject into Lois' bloodstream.  Since
it'll be a modified version of the anti-bodies in her blood, it should kill
off the poisoned blood cells.  Then everything would be back to normal."

Martha and Jonathan nodded their heads.  "That makes sense," they agreed.
"Listen,"  Clark told them.  "I want you two to go back to the apartment to
get some sleep.  It'll be a couple of hours before the blood injection is
ready to test.  I'll call you when it is."

They agreed, and Clark started to walk out of the room with them.  "On
second thought,"  he said suddenly.  "Maybe you guys ought to check into a
hotel nearby under a different name.  The morning edition of the Daily
Planet is due to come out in about an hour, and my apartment will be one of
the first places surrounded by media.  I don't want you guys to be
harassed."

Deciding that Clark was right, they told him they'd check into the Marriott
down the street under Martha's maiden name.  Clark saw them to the elevator,
then went back to the lab to wait.

**********

Dr. Klein was back with the Kryptonite in a lead-lined case about an hour
later accompanied by an armed guard.  When he opened the door to come into
the lab, Clark could hear all the commotion down the hall.

Dr. Klein closed the door quickly behind him and looked a bit frazzled.
"Man, it's  a madhouse out there.  Apparently, the morning edition of the
Planet just came out and the security has their hands full keeping all the
media out of the building."  When he saw Clark's worried expression, he
patted Clark's shoulder reassuringly.  "Don't worry.  I just checked on the
security in the maternity wing, and Lois and the baby are well protected."

Clark breathed a sigh of relief.  For the next few minutes, the other
doctors came filing in for a briefing by Dr. Simons, who had taken over the
case.
When everybody was there, they were all told what to expect and about how
much of a time window they would have to take the blood samples they needed,
etc. before they would have to stop Clark's exposure to the Kryptonite.

"Let's make this a positive effort, people.  We only want to do this once,
for Clark's own health, so let's get it right the first time."

About half of the doctors left the room to ready their lab equipment, while
the other half stood back, waiting for the time when they could move in to
do their jobs.

Dr. Simon had Clark take his shirt off and lay back down on the table.  "Dr.
Klein is going to be monitoring your vital signs as you're exposed to the
Kryptonite, so that he can compare them with the read outs we got on you
earlier.  If he sees that you're in any danger, we'll stop the exposure the
Kryptonite immediately, no questions asked."

But Clark shook his head.  "Don't stop it unless absolutely necessary.
Remember, it'll take about ten minutes before my skin will be vulnerable.
And I can handle a whole lot more than your charts say I can.  Besides, my
wife's life is depending on this."

Dr. Simon nodded.  "I understand."  He looked at Clark for a minute.  "Are
you ready?"

Clark nodded.  He tried to relax as he looked up at the bright lights on the
ceiling.  He could hear Dr. Klein roll the cart over beside him that held
the lead-lined Kryptonite box.  A minute later he heard him start to lift
the lid.
Almost immediately, Clark felt a wave of pain sweep through him and he
gritted his teeth against the searing pain.  He also felt Dr. Simon's hand
squeeze his right arm tightly, reassuring him in any way that he could.

The pain continued to move Clark's body in waves, and Clark gasped out in
pain and agony.  After about two minutes of this, Dr. Klein, who was
carefully monitoring his vital signs, called out.

"Dr. Simons, his EKG is already off the charts!  There's no way he's going
to be able to handle another five minutes of this!"

Clark heard Dr. Simons and Dr. Klein consulting quickly over his vital
signs.  But then Clark felt another strong wave of pain, and he yelled out
in pain.
Dr. Simon seemed to panic.  "We've got to stop this right now!"  Clark heard
him shout.  "We're killing him!  We'll just have to find another way to do
this."
He moved toward the Kryptonite to shut the lid, but Clark grabbed his arm
with what little strength he had left.  Through clenched teeth, Clark
managed to say, "No, please!  Lois is counting on me.  She needs this to
work if she's going to live."

But Dr. Simons shook his head.  "We'll just have to find another way to do
this.  I don't think your body's going to be able to stand this much
longer."

Clark held onto his arm tightly.  "Please, Dr. Simons.  I would personally
rather die than live a life without Lois.  And she needs this to work.
Please...."  he begged with as much force as he could muster.

It was quiet for a minute as Dr. Simon's mind whirled about frantically.
"Dr. Simons... his EKG!  What do you want me to do?"

Dr. Simons was silent for another moment as he stared into Clark's troubled
eyes, seeing the fierce love that this man had for his wife, and the
determination he saw there that would get him through this.

"Please,"  Clark repeated again.  "I can make it.  I have to make it."
It was in that instant that Dr. Simons made his decision.  "Let's keep
going,"  he told everyone quietly.

Everyone was quiet as they knew that Dr. Simons had just made an incredibly
tough decision.  They all went back to work without questioning it.
Clark released his grip on the doctor's arm and whispered, "Thank you" to
him before closing his eyes again to the pain.

When the agonizing ten minutes were almost up, Dr. Peterson tested Clark's
skin by pinching it lightly and attempting to press the tip of a needle
through it.  He was ecstatic when he saw that the needle pieced Clark's
skin.

"It worked!"  he called out excitedly.  "Let's get to work."  Then there was
a big commotion as everybody rushed around doing what they needed to do.

Clark was barely aware of what was going on, the Kyrptonite having sent him
into a drugged state.  He could see the blur of the people around him, and
hear the static of everyone's voices, but he was unable to do anything but
lie still and watch.

After what seemed like an eternity, Dr. Simons stepped back with a handful
of blood-filled viles.  "Time!" he called out.

Clark heard then shut the lid on the Kryptonite and said a silent prayer,
thankful that it was over.  Then he could see Dr. Simons leaning over him,
studying him carefully with concern in his eyes.  "Clark, can you hear me?
How are you feeling?"

It was all Clark could do to respond to the simple question.  Finally he was
able to whisper, "Weak."

"You're going to be fine.  Your EKG stats are returning to normal.  Do you
have any idea how long it will take for you to return to your normal
strength?"
Clark could feel some of his strength already returning, and this time
speaking wasn't quite as difficult.  "I don't really know.  I'm already
starting to feel a little stronger, though."

"Okay,"  Dr. Simons said.  "Then why don't we leave you in here to recover
while we get to work on this antidote.  Will you be okay?"

Clark nodded.  "Yeah, I'll be fine."

The doctor left the room, and Clark was alone.  He continued to lay on the
bed for a few more minutes, letting his strength return gradually.  After
about ten minutes he decided he felt strong enough to sit up.  He sat up
slowly, almost experimentally, and dangled his feet over the edge of the bed
and sat quietly for a minute.  A couple of minutes later, Dr. Simons poked
his head back in the room.

"There's someone out here who says he's a friend of yours.  He says his name
is Jimmy Olsen.  Should I let him in?"

Clark nodded slowly.  "Sure.  Send him in."  Clark focused his attention on
his feet as he put them firmly on the floor.  He had just barely stood up
when the door opened again and Jimmy came in looking frazzled and concerned.

"Hey, C.K.!  Are you all right?"  Jimmy asked with concern as he came in to
stand beside Clark.

"Yeah, I'm okay, Jimmy," Clark said weakly.

"Oh, man. I've been trying for the past half-hour to convince the guards
down the hall to let me in.  They're sure not letting anyone through."  He
paused long enough to take a deep breath.  "Hey, your folks called me about
half an hour ago and asked if I could come down here to be with you.  They
told me what you guys were planning to do with the Kryptonite.  How are you
feeling?"

Clark stood up, feeling more strongly now, and reached out awkwardly to
touch Jimmy's shoulder.  "I'll be fine in a few minutes."  He paused, then
looked into Jimmy's face.  "Hey, thanks for coming, Jimmy."

"Oh, sure.  No problem."

It was quiet for a minute as Clark concentrated on regaining his bearings.
Then Jimmy smiled broadly and gestured to Clark's bare, muscular chest.
"Wow, will you look at you!"  Jimmy said lightly.  "You are so beefed.  And
all this time I thought you just worked out a lot at the gym.  But I guess
you don't have to, huh?"

Clark laughed weakly and shook his head.  "No, I don't have to."  There was
a brief pause, and then Clark said, "I think I need to sit down for a
minute.  I still feel pretty weak.  Let's go over to the couch."

Jimmy offered his help right away.  "Here.  Let me help."

Clark thankfully put his arm around Jimmy's shoulder and leaned on him as
they made their way across the room to the black leather couch against the
wall.  Jimmy had his arm around Clark's middle as he helped support his
weight.
When they reached the couch, Clark dropped thankfully onto it.  He leaned
his head back against the backrest and clasped his hands together, lifting
them to his eyes so that the back of his hand was resting over his eyes in a
tired gesture.  Then he just sat like that for a minute.

"So, was it rough?"  Jimmy asked softly.

Clark nodded a little, but didn't change positions to do so.  From behind
his hands he said quietly, "Yeah, it was pretty rough."

Jimmy nodded, and again it was quiet in the room.  Then Jimmy asked, "Do the
doctors think this blood typing thing will work?"

Clark dropped his hands to rest them heavily on his legs.  Then he lifted
his head from the back of the couch and focused his stare on his hands in
his lap and sighed.  "They feel pretty confident that it will."

Jimmy sighed with obvious relief.  "That's good news.  Everybody at the
Planet has been really worried about her since they found out about
everything that's happened.  They all send their love."   Jimmy paused, then
in a quiet voice he said, "Do you think Lois will ever know what you went
through for her?  I mean, with this Kryptonite thing, and why you had to
tell everybody that you're Superman?"

Clark shrugged tiredly.  "I don't know, Jimmy."  He was quiet as he thought
about that.  Then he continued, "But you know what, Jimmy?  I love her so
much that I'd move heaven and earth for her if I had to."

Jimmy smiled kindly at Clark.  "Yeah, I know."  He was quiet for a minute.
Then a teasing smiled brightened his face and he elbowed Clark lightly.
"And I bet you literally could, huh?"

Clark turned slightly so that he looked over at Jimmy out of the corner of
his eye, then he laughed softly at Jimmy's joke.  In a soft, humble voice,
he joked back, "Yeah, I guess I could."

They were both quiet as they pondered the recent events.  Then Clark seemed
to realize what he had really done.  He moaned and let his head fall back
onto the back of the couch.  "Oh, man, what have I done?  My life's never
going to be the same again.   Everything is gonna change.  I mean, how am I
ever going to work at the Planet?  Everybody's going to be constantly
hounding me about this or that.  At least when I kept the whole Superman
thing a secret, I had some semblance of a normal life.  But that's all going
to change now, isn't it?"  He looked over at Jimmy as he spoke these last
words.

"Well, one thing won't change,"  Jimmy told him firmly.  "I'll always be
here if you need me.  And Perry will be, too.  You know what C.K.?"  Jimmy
paused, as if he were a little unsure of how to say his next words.  "I've
always considered you to be my best friend.  You've always been there for me
when I needed something, and I want you to know that I plan on returning the
favor.  Anything you need, anytime....you can count on me."

Clark smiled at Jimmy, touched by his words.  "Thanks, Jimmy.  That means a
lot."  They smiled at each other with a renewed sense of friendship.

Then Jimmy's teasing smile was back and he laughed lightly as he said, "Now,
about this Superman thing.  I know that girls really dig it, so if I meet
this really cute chick, is it alright with you if I drop your name and tell
them that I know you?"

Clark laughed, feeling pretty much back to his normal self.  "Sure, Jimmy,
sure.  I knew that there had to be a good reason for telling everybody who I
really am.  And that's definitely why I did it....to help you get women."

They were still laughing as the door to the room opened.  Instantly they
could hear the commotion of all the people outside.  "What's going on?"
Clark looked up seriously at Dr. Simons, who had just come in and shut the
door behind him.
"You wouldn't believe the number of people out there,"  he said.  "You were
right.  It's a madhouse."

"But I thought the guards were keeping everybody outside the building?"
Jimmy asked, confused.

"Well, apparently they found an alternate way into the building.  The guards
have had their hands full trying to keep them out of the wing.  The local
police department has been called in for help, and they're sending some
reinforcement over."

Clark looked worried.  "Can they keep all the people away from Lois and the
baby?"

Dr. Simons quickly reassured him.  "Everything's just fine, Clark.  Don't
worry yourself about it.  By the way, how are you feeling?"

Clark nodded.  "Better.  I'll be okay."

"Good.  Because I came in here to give you some good news."

Instantly Clark perked up.  "What is it?"

"Our blood typing and mixing idea worked.  We've been testing it over and
over again in the lab for the past half hour, and it's going to work
beautifully."

Clark was so relieved that he rested his head back on the couch and closed
his eyes, sighing with relief.  "Thank you,"  he whispered up to the sky.
Then he sat back up and asked, "So when do we start?"

"Dr. Peterson is finishing with the antidote as we speak.  In a few minutes
we should be ready to inject it into Lois."

Clark stood up slowly and went over to Dr. Simons to shake his hand, but
ended up hugging him instead.  "Thank you so much.  For everything."

Dr. Simons seemed surprised by Clark's openness and laughed lightly as he
hugged him back.  "You're welcome,"  he told Clark.  When Clark pulled back,
Dr. Simons said, "Consider it repayment for saving my son's life in Brazil."

Clark smiled.  "I'd say that's a fair exchange."

After a brief pause, Dr. Simons said,  "Well, if you're feeling up to it,
why don't we go back to Lois' room to wait for Dr. Peterson?  He should be
there in a few minutes with the antidote."

"That would be great."  Then he remembered Jimmy, and quickly introduced
him-as one of his best friends-to Dr. Simons.   The two shook hands.

"Well, let's get going,"  Dr. Simons said.

Clark reached for his flannel shirt and began buttoning it up as they headed
for the door.  Halfway there, he stumbled a little and had to grab the edge
of a counter to stop himself from falling.

Dr. Simons quickly reached out to steady him, looking concerned.  "Are you
sure you're up to this?"

Clark nodded determinedly.  "I'm still just a little weak, that's all."

Right away Jimmy offered to help.  "Here, Clark.  Lean on me and I'll help
you to Lois' room."

Clark nodded gratefully and put his arm around Jimmy's shoulders so that he
could lean on him.  "Thanks, Jimmy."

"Yeah, no sweat,"  Jimmy answered, putting his arm around Clark's middle so
that he could help steady him.

As soon as Dr. Simons opened the door, Jimmy and Clark could hear the crowd
noise down the hall.  When the threesome stepped out into the hall, Clark
looked in dismay at the huge crowd of newspaper journalists, television
reporters and camera crews that was being held back by the security guards
not fifty feet away.

Instantly, Clark heard the cry, "There he is!"  followed by a surge in the
decibel level as everyone spotted him.  The guards had their hands full
trying to keep them all back.  Flashes popped like crazy, and the bright
lights from the now alert television cameras nearly blinded them.

Clark could hear all the reporters instantly yelling out their questions to
him:  "Superman!  What made you decide to go public with your secret?"  one
yelled.  Another yelled out,  "How's your wife?"   Another joined in, "What
about your son?  Will he have your super powers?"

Clark cringed at the publicity, especially knowing that he was being filmed
looking so ragged, and as unlike the superhero everyone had come to see.  He
was very aware of the fact that he still had the same plaid flannel shirt on
that he had worn the day before, and that it was buttoned lopsided and that
the front of it was untucked from his jeans.  Not only that, but he knew how
haggard he must look after his Kryptonite exposure, and how he was having to
lean dependently on Jimmy to keep from falling down as they walked.

  "Oh, this is just great,"  he muttered under his breath wearily.  "This is
exactly what I had hoped wouldn't happen.  Can't they just leave us alone
for a while?"

Jimmy took the incentive and waved his right arm at the crowd in a 'go away'
gesture.  "Come on, you guys!  Give us a break!"

Dr. Simons jumped on the bandwagon, too.   He stepped up to address the
crowd.  "Can I have everyone's attention, please!"  he shouted, as Clark and
Jimmy took the opportunity to move down the hall so that they were no longer
in sight of the crowd.  "This is a hospital, not a street fair.  There are
patients here recovering from sicknesses or operations, and I will not have
them disturbed!  Now, everyone needs to cooperate and take this outside.  I
will see if I can get Clark to hold a press conference in a couple of hours
in the hospital's press room."

With that, the crowd seemed satisfied and allowed the guards to shuffle them
back toward the elevators.  Satisfied that he had sufficiently dealt with
that problem, he turned and went in the same direction that Clark and Jimmy
had just gone.

He found them in Lois' room a few moments later.  He was pleased to notice
how quiet her room was compared to the bedlam down the hall.  It was just
what a recovering patient needed.  He shut the door quietly behind him, and
both Clark and Jimmy turned to look at him expectantly.

"I told them I'd talk to you about doing a press conference in a couple of
hours,"  Dr. Simons told Clark quietly.  "It was the only thing I could
think of to get them to agree to leave the building peacefully."

Clark nodded.  "I guess I'll have to do it sooner or later, so I may as well
get it over with."

Just then Dr. Peterson came in with a rolling cart with a tray of needles
and other medications on it.  "We're ready to go,"  he whispered.

Dr. Simons nodded.  "Then let's get to it."

They took the new i.v. bag from the cart and exchanged it with the one on
Lois' stand, then prepared the three shots they were going to give her.

"It's going to take a bigger dosage them we initially thought,"  Dr. Simons
explained to Clark as Dr. Peterson proceeded to give Lois the first shot.
Everyone waited anxiously as the second and third shots were given.

Finally Dr. Peterson nodded and stepped back.  "That should take care of
it."

Clark turned to him.  "How long until we know if it's working?"

"I think we should give it about a half hour, and then we'll take another
blood sample from Lois to compare to her earlier ones.  That should be able
to tell us how well and how quickly it's working."

"Okay,"  Clark nodded, leaning back in his chair.  He took his glasses off
with one hand and rubbed his eyes tiredly with the other.

Dr. Simons could tell how tired Clark was.  "How long has it been since
you've slept?"

Clark sighed.  "A long time."

"Why don't we see about bringing a cot in here for you?  That way you could
get some sleep, but still be with Lois."

Clark smiled gratefully.  "That would be great.  Thanks."

The doctors left to do that, and Clark turned to Jimmy.  "How about you?  If
my folks called you early this morning, you probably didn't get much sleep
either."

"I guess I am pretty tired, too.  But I'll be fine if you want me to stay."

Clark smiled gratefully, but shook his head.  "No, I'll be okay.  Why don't
you go on home and get some sleep?  I'll call you as soon as we know
anything."

"Okay.  What about the press conference?"

Clark sighed again, now feeling the reality of the whole situation falling
upon him heavily.  He looked up at the clock on the wall and thought for a
minute.
"Well, it's 6:30 now.  What time do you think we should do this?"

Jimmy thought about that.  "I don't know.  Let's ask Dr. Simons."

Dr. Simons was back in a minute carrying a large folding cot, a pillow, and
a blanket.  Jimmy stood up and helped him set it up against the wall.  Then
Clark asked him what he thought about the time of the press conference.

"I want to be here with Lois when you get the answers to her blood test,"
Clark told him.  "And I definitely want to be here when she wakes up.  How
long afterward do you think that will be?"

"After we examine the new blood type, we'll have a pretty good idea how long
it will take to take affect.  I'd venture to say, though, that it would be a
couple of hours before the antidote kicks in and Lois is conscious again."

Clark nodded.  "Okay.  Then how about if we schedule the press conference in
about an hour and half?  That would be at..."  Clark looked at his watch.
"Eight o'clock.  That'll give us enough time for the blood tests, won't it?"

Dr. Simons nodded.  "Definitely."

"Why don't you let Dr. Simons and me announce it before I leave, then?"
Jimmy spoke up.  "That way you can stay here with Lois."

Clark smiled a little and nodded. "Okay.  Thanks.  Thanks for everything,
you guys."

Jimmy and Dr. Simons smiled at him, then left the room.  Clark leaned
forward in his chair by Lois' bed and very gently took her hand, squeezing
it softly.

"It won't be long, now, Lois, and you'll be better.  Then we can take that
precious little baby and go home.  Just the three of us."  He lifted her
hand to his lips and kissed it tenderly.

Then Clark laid her hand gently back on the bed and walked across the small
room to the cot.  He laid down on it and was immediately asleep.

**********

Clark was awakened when he felt someone gently shaking him.  He struggled to
open his heavy eyelids, and when he did, he found himself looking into Dr.
Simons' very excited face.  "What is it?"  Clark asked eagerly, suddenly
wide awake.

Dr. Simons nodded happily.  "We just got the results back on the blood test
we ran a half hour ago, and I'm pleased to report that the antidote is
working just like we planned.  She's going to be just fine."

All the stress, tension and worry that Clark had felt over the past
twenty-four hours seemed to just drain away, and Clark found himself
starting to cry happy tears.  He stood up immediately and hugged Dr. Simons
happily, unable to hold back his pent up tears and emotions.

Dr. Simons seemed just as happy as Clark, and he laughed quietly and hugged
Clark back.  He groaned, though, and joked, "Well, I can tell that your
strength is definitely returning."

Clark laughed, feeling happier than he had in many hours.  "Sorry about
that,"  he whispered, laughing.

"That's quite all right.  I didn't want to wake you earlier when we came in
to take the blood sample because you looked like you really needed the
sleep.  But I just had to wake you now to let you know that everything is
going to be just fine.  I suspect that at the rate her blood cells are
reacting to the antidote that she should be strong enough to regain
consciousness in a couple of hours."  He glanced at his watch.  It's twenty
to eight right now.  Are you sure you're going to be up for this press
conference?"

Clark nodded.  "Now that I know Lois is going to be well, I feel up for just
about anything." Then Clark said asked, "Is there somewhere I can take a
shower and get ready for this?"

Dr. Simons nodded.  "Sure.  There's a doctors locker room in the west wing.
I can show you a back route to get there so you won't have any encounters
with any reporters we may have missed."

Clark smiled at Dr. Simons, then reached out his hand to shake his.  "Dr.
Simons, thank you for everything.  I can't begin to tell you how much I
appreciate what you've done for me and my family."

Dr. Simons smiled gently.  "I'm just glad I could help."

"I hope this gets you in the International Journal of Medicine like you
wanted to be,"  Clark added with a smile.  Then he told him, "If you ever
need anything...anything at all.  You know, like having a meteor stopped
>from crashing into Brazil..."  Dr. Simons laughed at Clark's words.  Clark
continued, more seriously this time.  "You just let me know.  Okay?"

Dr. Simons nodded, still smiling broadly.  "Okay."

Clark was soon in the quiet of the locker room, climbing into the shower.
The hot water streaming from the shower head felt incredible, and Clark
stood still under its spray for several minutes, letting it soothe his tense
muscles.

What an unbelievable couple of days this has been, Clark thought silently.
First, his new son had been born and he couldn't have been prouder.  And now
Lois was going to be okay.

Just then Clark realized that he hadn't even seen his new baby in the last
twelve or so hours.  He'd been so preoccupied with Lois, that he hadn't had
time to see him.

Well, that was all going to change.  Lois would be well and ready to go home
in a couple of days, and then they could spend some quiet time as a family,
just the three of them.

Clark breathed a happy sigh.  It would be wonderful to have things back to
normal.  Then Clark cringed.  Nothing would ever be 'normal' for them again.
At least not in the sense that they would be the way they were.  Now that
the world knew that he was Superman, things were definitely going to be
different.  He knew they would probably never have the quiet, undisturbed
life that they had previously had.

Clark sighed.  They'd just have to get used to it.  With renewed
determination, Clark finished his shower.  Then he stepped out of the shower
and got dressed, wishing that he'd had a fresh set of clothes to change
into.  Oh well, he thought.  I'll just have to make do with these until I
can get home.

After running a comb through his towel-dried hair, he left the dressing
room.  He made his way back to Lois' room to check on her before heading
down to the press conference.

When he arrived, Dr. Simons was there checking on Lois.  He smiled at Clark
as he walked into the room.  "Feeling human again?"

Clark smiled.  "Well, almost."

Dr. Simons laughed, then stepped away from Lois' bed.  "She's improving
steadily,"  he told Clark.  "I'm happy to say that in a day or two she'll be
able to go home."

Clark breathed a happy sigh.  "You don't know how wonderful that sounds."
He paused, looking lovingly over at Lois.  Then he turned to Dr. Simons.  "I
guess I should head down to the press conference.  Do you have any
suggestions for me?"

Dr. Simons nodded.  "First of all, the other doctors and I have agreed that
it's in your best interest not to mention the Kryptonite treatment.  I know
I don't have to tell you about the consequences if that information got out
to the criminal population.  W