From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9808B" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:59:09 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Combo post on grammar: Demi, honey, you can skip this :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Leanne Shawler wrote: > While I would argue about the use of the hyphen (*Leanne ducks from Sandy's > thwap -- or was it the "..." you over-used, Sandra?*), I'll turn that aside > for another day (besides, I still make mistakes on that one too) and point > out that in "He shouted" the H should be in lower case.<< Sandra wrote: Are you talking to me, Leanne? Omigod, you called me Sandy. We've reached an epiphany! And then you switched back to Sandra. Oh well.... Sandy, Sandy, Sandy, Sandy, Sandy .... (*Leanne starts humming: "can't you see, I'm in misery ..." ala Revolta in Grease, if you're wondering*) Hope that doesn't send you in to epiphany overload *grin* So, where were we? Oh yeah, it was Joyce, I went momentarily brain-dead there. Did you know there's a Ulysses for Dummies out there on the web? It has pictures and everything *grin* Regina wrote: I agree with Leanne except for 2 points...you certainly can get and hold a job without being able to spell well, at all. Einstein was a horrible speller. Yeah, but he was also a genius :) But you're right -- you can get a job -- I would imagine that spelling wouldn't exactly be a major part of that job; and as I've learnt from my scientific hubby who does some reading for a journal (ie, is this paper scientifically valid?) if the paper's scientifically valid, leave it to the professional editors/copywriters to fix the grammar, spelling etc. Which is good for those wanting to publish in foreign journals! I have to say that when I write, I no longer get up and go to the side of the classroom to check the massive dictionary. I spell-check at the end, or when I get stuck :) However, I do toddle over to the bookshelf to grab the thesaurus if the right word is eluding me and I know I'll know it if I just can see the damn thing. Um Zoom -- you quoted an irrelevant bit of your email re: about emotion or lack thereof. I haven't kept the post, so I guess it doesn't matter now :) but I think it had something to do with my examples lacking emotion, which we've already addressed -- they were examples only and on the fly (both times). If I wanted emotion I would've written a short story to build up to that search ... hmm, did that already in Ep 3 of S5 ... Dan (that's my hubby for those of you who don't know) ribs me about my spelling and takes pride in how simpler the American spelling is: he said "hoo! that was close!" "What?" says I; he says "hoo!" "Don't you mean 'fee-yew'?" "No, that means 'about three'." "You're talking about p-h-e-w, right?" "Yes" "the p-h is 'ff' like in sulfur, which used to be spelt with a ph you know. In fact, when I was in high school, the syllabus changed so that we had to spell it with a 'f' instead of a 'ph'. I couldn't see why, so I never did. :)"; then segue into how American spelling is so much simpler. :) Umm, I think that was a digression :) Genevieve - thanks for the neato post on semi-colons and run-on sentences. I have big troubles with those. Sandy again: On the topic of "alright," I know the S5 writers and editors discussed this, and I remember posting part of the entry from my dictionary which says, ".... Since the 19th century some have insisted that 'alright' is wrong, but, though it is less frequent than 'all right,' it remains in common use and appears in the work of reputable writers ." For my purposes, I find the word, 'alright', to be a much better representation of the spirit of casual dialogue, and that's how I use it. You know, I recently joined another forum (Big Valley) and we lassies are starting to write fanfic for it, and having read Sandra, er --y's, post back then in S5, I threw my "all right" to the wind and started writing "alright" and immediately got taken to task for it *grin* Does this mean I have to go back to "all right"??? *pout* That's all from me for tonight, Leanne Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) Web Design: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/design/webdesign.html Home Page: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:14:42 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Re: Grammar Check This ;) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980808010041.00aad7d0@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 06:14 PM 8/7/1998 -0500, you wrote: >>Demi, ol' buddy, that's what the delete key is for. >>Personally, I've started skimming the posts myself > >"Awww...do I *have* to? Shucks!" > >Kathy you know I do too, it's just that decent unsuspecting folks were >being decimated over... punctuation ;P... and you know me, I just think >there's more to life *and* storytelling > Decimated? Since when is "hey, there's this rule, allow me to explain it" (and then a discussion over the semantics of "smiling") become "decimated"? Demi, it's your perogative if you want to focus on the creative process without regards to convention. And your fic is wonderful, so it really must work for you. However, that doesn't entitle you to be rude to those who actually think that grammar and spelling are a valid part of the writing process *to them*, and prefer not to leave everything to their editors ... Not to mention it being of interest to editors, who also read this list and might like to discuss such technical points! Leanne (who suspects that Demi was being her old flippant, sarcastic self -- but I have been feeling rather decimated just for *daring* to bring a grammar rule to people's attention!) Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) Web Design: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/design/webdesign.html Home Page: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:00:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Leanne, "My little tornado", this is for you too ;) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Combo post on grammar: Demi, honey, you can skip this :)<< Thanks Leanne! :) See guys? (Those of you who wrote to me privately, especially). ;) It's really that simple, yammer loudly at people long enough and they may realize you're a mad-woman, but they *will* start to let you know personally which posts you don't need to read. It's like programmable e-mail filtering, only FREE! I'm sorry, LOL I admit freely that any good writer knows their work has to be polished in the end but I (personally, me, myself, just talking about the first person here) can't discuss those technicalities on the side, with such 'term-paper' detail, it's too painful (for me). Infer from that what you will I didn't mean to suggest that I was attempting to place a global ban on the subject. >However, that doesn't entitle you to be rude to those who actually think >that grammar and spelling are a valid part of the writing process *to >them*, and prefer not to leave everything to their editors ... Not to >mention it being of interest to editors, who also read this list and might >like to discuss such technical points! Oh Leanne.. I'm sorry I offended you. I generally let pretty much everything roll of my back and sometimes I expect that others try to do the same thing. Which isn't always true even though if they did, people might (well, live longer ;) In any event, I really didn't intend to stomp in anyone's bubble bath. I guess I must be the last insane person on the planet because every time I think about the philosophical significance of the 'comma', I just can't take it seriously. And to be fair, I've tried I'm sure it *has *a philosophical significance, and I'm sure it's extremely integral to the very nature of all human kind, I just haven't been enlightened yet. :) And you're right. That doesn't mean it's my right to pronounce judgement on anyone who *does* feel an exciting tingle run along their spine when they're discussing it in detail. That's *their* right. Censorship wasn't my intent either. What I was trying to impart (somewhat unsuccessfully in fact) was that taken to extremes, and placed without consideration for the feelings of those authors discussed, even the most 'correct' of criticisms, if placed coldly onto the table, can be less than constructive. Perhaps even border on condescension. If *I* sounded condescending, it was probably because (in my 'sarcastic' way, as Leanne also astutely pointed out), I like to hold up a mirror in every good argument. ;) It's effective, most of the time. In the words of Dr. Frisken, sometimes we just need to have our own expressions "reflected" back at us, in order to see what it is we're really saying. It appears in this case, reflection in tone has offended...so food for thought? Again, to Leanne and anyone else who felt slighted by my remarks, I honestly do apologize. If it makes anyone feel better, it has nothing to do with personal grudges, I tend to take life as it comes and try not to pick it apart into too many unrecoverable pieces, smaller than my own fingernail. So perhaps I *am* flippant in that respect, as Leanne described. There are many things I take seriously, very seriously in fact. But where I place my commas just isn't one of them. Life's too short and I'm just another misfit in the literary world :) We'll agree to disagree ok? And I'll offer my heartfelt apology for being the grinch who stole grammar. >Leanne >(who suspects that Demi was being her old flippant, sarcastic self -- but I >have been feeling rather decimated just for *daring* to bring a grammar >rule to people's attention!) In all fairness, you didn't (just) bring the rule to people's attention, you took out a billboard on Broadway and defied contradiction. ;) Which, I actually admire for it's impact. Because I sometimes do the same thing when I've got something to impart as well. You're a good writer Leanne. Nothing takes away from that. You and I will simply agree to never have coffee and discuss the semi-colon, that's all. Demi ;) _______________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- You gotta dance like nobody's watching, and love like it's never gonna hurt. --- I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. ________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:48:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gary Subject: Blueprints MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:45 PM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >Gary wrote: >> >> At 11:45 AM 8/7/98 -0400, Sandy wrote: >> > >> >Speaking of other topics, Gary recently posted an address for his website >> >and I went to look at it and found that he had a blueprint-type layout of >> >L&C's townhouse (the first floor only) on his site. I enjoyed looking at >> >it and would have liked to have seen the second floor and/or more detail. >> > >> >> Okay, Okay, I'll put up the second floor. Do you want the basement, too?<< > > >Do we know that they have one? > >Actually, I'll explain my interest. When I was a young girl, a long >long time ago, I spent very little time writing. Instead, my cousin and >I wiled away many hours drawing the blueprints of houses we'd like to >live in as grown-ups. I took it a step further by taping lots of typing >paper together and drawing designs for towns, planning where houses >would be located, stores, schools, firehouses and other government >buildings. My mother probably thought she had a budding zoning >commissioner on her hands. I thought I was going to go to art school >for the longest time until I became interested in politics and stopped >drawing and sketching altogether. All was not lost, however. My cousin >went to art school and now she's an interior designer. And, I'm ... not >a zoning commissioner. > Well I put up my best guess of the 2nd floor, but it is something of an architectual paradox given the limited information, we've only actually seen the bedroom. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Gary A. Rudick mailto:gar8434@rit.edu | | My personal FoLC/Teri website | | "What's done to children, they will do to society." - Karl Menninger| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:20:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: The L&C Fanfic Archive Needs Editors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The L&C Fanfic Archive is in need of General Editors. We are understaffed right now (which is why we have a backlog, and also why my head is about to explode from the stress ), and we need your help. Job Description: The Archive uses General Editors (GE's) to review each story that is submitted. The GE reviews only for punctuation and typos (and the occasional grammar mistake), and ensures that the story is appropriate for the Archive (e.g. rated G, PG, or PG-13). The GE's job is *not* to point out plot holes, and especially not to rewrite a story for an author. The GE's main function is to catch any typos before the story gets uploaded to the Archive. Time Commitment: We ask for a time commitment of 5 hours/week. Most GE's are given 2-4 stories a month to proof. Our goal is to turn stories around within 1-2 weeks after submission. Currently, however, we have a delay of approximately 2-4 weeks, in part due to understaffing, and in part due to delays in hearing back from the authors. We try to be flexible (longer stories or ones that require a lot of work are not expected to be back as quickly as short stories), but we do need people who we can count on to "do the job." Qualifications: ** Must have excellent punctuation and grammar skills. ** Must be able to give corrections to authors in a tactful and friendly way. ** Must be organized enough to meet deadlines, and committed enough to follow through on assignments. ** Must provide regular updates on the status of outstanding assigned stories. ** Must have a reliable email system for receiving and sending stories. Pay: Nothing but the undying gratitude of your fellow FoLCs and your fellow Archive staff members. :) But you also get that great feeling of knowing you contributed to keeping our Fanfic Archive up and running. How To Apply: Contact Kathy Brown privately at . Replying to the listserv may result in your application being missed. Please include a summary of your editing experience. I will be collecting the names of interested people over the next week or so, then will be sending out a sample story for you to edit and get back to me. I'll make staffing decisions from there. Thanks, everyone. I'm looking forward to hearing from you and appreciate your help. If you know of other people that you think would be a good fit for this job but are not on this listserv, please forward them this message. Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kbrown@webmart.net KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:21:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Grace Wong Subject: Re: Off Topic: A year ago tomorrow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Laurie Stroh wrote: > > I have to jump in here too and say I had a great time at Laff97 and only wish > we could have repeated it this year. > > Actually, I just recently finished putting all my laff pics in an album...I'm > not usually that slow but I was waiting for some friends to send me copies of > their pictures...honest, and I had a great time reliving all the memories > while looking at the pictures. > > I can honestly say the best part was getting to meet people I had become > friends with online. My "real life" friends couldn't believe that I was > flying all the way to LA (I live in Florida) to meet a group of people I > didn't even know. They were worried that I'd meet up with some questionable > people but I knew I could count on the folcs, and I wasn't disappointed. What > a great time we all had that week. It's something I will never > forget....thanks for the memories guys! > > Laurie Stroh > ok, I couldn't help but to response to this post I don't know if I'm counted as a "true-blue" folc, (was that what was used? ) nor did I attend LAFF, (but I have a good explaination, I wasn't on the list then so I didn't know :-P) but after reading your post Laurie, I *long* for a chance to meet you guys. When I brought up the subject of NYFF to my mom, (which,I'm sorry to say was cancled because not many people wanted to attend :-( ) she immediately objected to it saying it's not safe for me going so far away and to meet strangers I don't know. I'm gonna save your post Laurie, and the next time someone holds a folcfest like this I'll show it to her and convince her to let me attend. Grace (who is upset still because she couldn't attend the New England folcfest. ) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:19:52 -1000 Reply-To: shore@maui.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: Re: combo post: spelling, breaking the rules, and Oz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Angee Chaudhry wrote: > In message <35C924310000006E@cncc.cncc.cc.co.us>, Sheila Harper > writes > > > >For you rr writers on "I Only Have Oz for You," I loved the symbolism > of the > >story. Each of Lois's companions represented a flaw in > herself--either real > >or perceived, and all the males at the Jade (i.e. Kryptonite) City > were > >visions of Clark. I thought you would make the Wizard--or at least > his huge > >face--more Superman-like, but I missed that connection until Lois's > return > >with the globe when she saw the real Wizard, Clark. Very interesting > look > >at her subconscious perception of Clark being the person behind > Superman. > >Good thing she didn't remember that part when she woke up! The stuff > with > >Lex was terrific--especially his motivation in providing her with > those > >particular companions--and I loved her constant longing for Clark to > talk > >to, to be with. Superman was almost an afterthought, just someone to > rescue > >her so she could get back to Clark. Nice, nice, nice :) > > > >Sheila > >sharper@cncc.cc.co.us > > >>That is *so* well put Sheila ... I couldn't have put it better > myself > and I may say I have to agree ..<< Well what more can *I* say now other than 'ditto'! And just that I thorougly enjoyed this fic! I too really dislike The Wizard of Oz, but this was great! Your imaginations are wonderful! Looking forward to more! jamee > > > Angee > -- > Angee Chaudhry ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:36:02 +1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Louise Kendall Subject: Re: Synonyms for the word "said" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit great list Lisa :) You know that life is a little boring when you say every word on the list out loud and try to say each the way it means (if you get my drift) jem :) (who misses L&C some days more than others) -----Original Message----- From: Lisa M. Ramirez To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: Tuesday, 4 August 1998 7:00 Subject: Synonyms for the word "said" I sent this to someone recently and she suggested that I send it to this list. This might be of assistance to all the fanfic writers (and editors) out there who get tired of using the word "said" all the time when writing dialog. My 6th grade English teacher gave it to me and I have found it quite useful over the years. He had this pet peeve about the word "said". He complained that students used that word too much when there were other words far more descriptive that accomplished the job even better. So here it is, a synonym list for the word "said" compliments of my 6th grade teacher Mr. Harris. SYNONYMS FOR THE WORD "SAID" added admitted admonished advised affirmed agreed answered apologized asked assured averred began begged bellowed blustered boasted boomed burst out cackled cajoled called chided chortled commanded commented complained confided congratulated continued cried declared demanded ejaculated exclaimed explained exulted gloated greeted grimaced grinned groused growled grunted informed inquired insisted interjected interposed interrupted invited jeered laughed leered mourned mumbled murmured mused muttered observed ordered pleaded promised proposed protested put in queried questioned rasped remarked repeated replied reported responded retorted returned roared ruminated scoffed shouted shuddered sighed smiled smirked snapped snarled sneered snickered sniffed snorted stammered suggested sympathized taunted thought told urged volunteered warned went on whispered yelled Lisa M. Ramirez ramirez@estuary.amrl.odu.edu To most people, solutions are answers to problems. To chemists, solutions are things that are all mixed up. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 21:36:22 +1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Louise Kendall Subject: Re: Leanne, "My little tornado", this is for you too ;) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: demona To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: Saturday, 8 August 1998 15:57 Subject: Leanne, "My little tornado", this is for you too ;) >In any event, I really didn't intend to stomp in anyone's bubble bath. What a truly delightful image - I did wonder if you considered the advisablity of clothes in such a situation - which begs the question of exactly who one would prefer to be *in* the bubble bath - after that I had submerged so deep into the gutter that I disappeared from view jem (who uses dashes when she wishes to indicate a droo.. er... stream of consciousness state - with pauses :D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:55:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Emily Angerer Crawford Subject: Re: Combo post on grammar: Demi, honey, you can skip this :) In-Reply-To: from "Leanne Shawler" at Aug 7, 98 09:59:09 pm Content-Type: text Leanne Shawler wrote: > Regina wrote: > I agree with Leanne except for 2 points...you certainly can get and hold a > job without being able to spell well, at all. Einstein was a horrible > speller. > > Yeah, but he was also a genius :) But you're right -- you can get a job -- > I would imagine that spelling wouldn't exactly be a major part of that job; > and as I've learnt from my scientific hubby who does some reading for a > journal (ie, is this paper scientifically valid?) if the paper's > scientifically valid, leave it to the professional editors/copywriters to > fix the grammar, spelling etc. Which is good for those wanting to publish > in foreign journals! Scientific journals probably aren't such a good example. I don't know how many articles I've read in which the English is terrible. I know that the journals I read and submit to, and the ones my husband reads and submits to, don't use much in the way of editors/copywriters. Articles go from the writer to the editor, who immediately forwards it to a referee, who judges scientific value. Many of the papers Daniel (husband) has refereed are loaded with serious grammar errors. He is willing and able to take the time to correct these, but not every referee does. The referee's comments go back to the editor with the paper; these get forwarded to the author, who makes any required changes; unless there was something serious scientifically, the papers are re-submitted with changes and immediately typeset. These days the final submission is generally electronic, and the papers are automatically formatted for the journal from that version! Proofs are sent to the author, corrections made if necessary, and the article is printed from there. At no point is the article reviewed by a professional editor or copywriter -- only the reviewer and the author ever really even look at the text. It's pretty appalling what actually gets published sometimes. In my one experience of publishing a technical document, I had to print the paper in the journal's format, copy ready. We didn't even go through the proofs stage -- it was just printed the way I submitted it. I found a couple of typos later (formatting problems, despite careful editing by myself and my advisors) that still make me cringe. I hope other fields are different. Scientific journals are terrible about what passes for English. And in my field (computer engineering) people are skipping the referee stage and just posting papers straight on the web. It's not good for your curriculum vitae, but it gets results to other people quickly! But no editors -- so, more typos, and more grammatical errors. Ick. My point (see, I knew I'd have one eventually) is that I don't like to leave things to editors and proofers. I prefer to get it right as early in the process as possible. > Dan (that's my hubby for those of you who don't know) ribs me about my > spelling and takes pride in how simpler the American spelling is: he said > "hoo! that was close!" "What?" says I; he says "hoo!" "Don't you mean > 'fee-yew'?" "No, that means 'about three'." "You're talking about p-h-e-w, > right?" "Yes" "the p-h is 'ff' like in sulfur, which used to be spelt with > a ph you know. In fact, when I was in high school, the syllabus changed so > that we had to spell it with a 'f' instead of a 'ph'. I couldn't see why, > so I never did. :)"; then segue into how American spelling is so much > simpler. :) LOL! I've never heard it suggested that "hoo" was a pronunciation of "phew". I say "phew" as a drawn-out "few" and "hoo" in the context of something like "hoo boy" (you have to get the drawl just right on that). Well, this post got much longer than I meant it to be. Hope all of you (not just Demi!) had the good sense to ignore most of it. Cheers! -Emily -- Emily Crawford/Warbler on IRC ccsupec@helen.oit.gatech.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:02:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beth Guide Subject: Re: Loiscla, Tahiti and a website In-Reply-To: <199808081555.LAA30612@helen.oit.gatech.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I know this the fanfic list and all but being the discussion list is down. That little Turget guy, who I picture sitting on a beach with a fez on his head and a daquri in his hand is on vacation in tahiti while we are all here e-mailess and wanting the scoop on Dean and Mindy's break up and what was that about Dean and Beverly Hills (not the show but the city of). Anyway the person who is left behind is clueless. Soooooo I just wanted to remind everyone that there is a discussion forum on Zoomway's site and it might help take up the slack of the missing e-mail list. And get us the scoop on what's going on. I can switch them out as you guys fill 'em up. Its doesn't require a password, doesn't require grammar skills, we don't mark off for typo'and, basically short of serious name calling, anything goes. If I see that you guys start filling it up pretty quickly I"ll set you up another. Speaking of which, I'll be switching out the nfic boards sometime this weekend so for those of you who have have entry screen bookmarked and don't know how to set your cache, remember to hit reload if it looks like no one is posting. It probabally means your in the wrong spot ;) So if you want to use the message boards to have a list while the list is down or even after the list is up...you can follow the link off of Zooms' main page or use this link and pick discussion. http://www.actwd.com/general/welcome_to_the_message_board_are.htm Also, if you bookmark a page, I recommend you book mark this page so you know that you are always going to the news page and when you select a topic. again if it looks like noone is posting hit reload on your browser.If anyone thinks we need another folder with a different name, let me know and I'll set it up. Old posts will be archived and still accessible. If anyone needs help, give me a hollar at my aol mailbox, I'll find you there quicker. bethgde@aol.com That's all for now. Beth ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:40:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: L&C Fanfic Archive (WWW) ANNOUNCEMENT :) Comments: To: loiscla@vm.ege.edu.tr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FoLCs, I have an announcement to make! :) The Lois & Clark Fanfic WWW Archive has found a new home!! "We're up, we're good!" ... at ... http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/ Special thanks to Beth Guide, and "A Creative Touch Web Design" for granting us the added space and new living quarters we desperately needed! We've got well over 700 stories up, and it's growing exponentially, so that our old provider, graciously donated by Chris Paterson, was no longer big enough to keep us up, believe it or not! :) It is partly because of that, that the fanfic archive staff now has a bit of a personal request to the FOLCs. As all of you know, keeping an archive the size of ours up and running isn't a simple matter. We've got some really amazing people volunteering to make things work, and keep things running smoothly, but we've been footing an almost $300-400 per year bill to make it happen. Last year, Chris Paterson bought and set up a site specifically for the archive, and this year, A Creative Touch is thus far donating space which they have purchased. And so now we approach you all, the fans with a request. If you feel that you might want to help us out a little with perhaps a $1 or $2 donation, we could help take the cost of keeping the archive down for those FoLCs who have been paying on their own until now. This is by NO MEANS something we insist upon, we just thought we'd ask those of you who might have the means. If that is you, ACTWD will collect donations on behalf of the archive and the two young ladies who have been paying for it so far at: ACTWD 4180 Greenwood Drive Bethlehem, PA 18020 If anyone wants to write a check it needs to be made payable to ACTWD or Acreative Touch. We want to keep this archive up and active for as long as there are FoLCs in cyberspace :) And we'll do that, for as long as we can, no matter what. God bless you all, FoLCs and folks alike Keep writing!! ...and thank you. :) Demi __________________________________________ Demi / Demona Archive Coordinator Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive http://lcfanfic.actwd.com __________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:22:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beth Guide Subject: Re: L&C Fanfic Archive (WWW) ANNOUNCEMENT :) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980808174045.00ab57b0@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Demi said > This is by NO MEANS something we insist upon, we just thought we'd ask > those of you who might have the means. If that is you, ACTWD will collect > donations on behalf of the archive and the two young ladies who have been > paying for it so far at: > > ACTWD > 4180 Greenwood Drive > Bethlehem, PA 18020 > > If anyone wants to write a check it needs > to be made payable to ACTWD or Acreative Touch. > > We want to keep this archive up and active for as long as there are FoLCs > in cyberspace :) And we'll do that, for as long as we can, no > matter what. Hey everyone, Man, twice in one day. Okay. regarding the fanfic archive, Originally the plan was to have the checks made payable to the company but for legal reasons, we thought that maybe it could be construded as we were trying to make a profit off donations. Heck you trusted me with $13,000 worth of your money you know I would never do that...but so that we don't get the hackles of WB and DC comics up I would like to ask that we make the checks out to Moreen Romans, who pays our internet bill anyway. This way, there is no confusion that although my company donated the site, we are doing it as FoLC and not employees of ACTWD. And that was my fault for not telling Demi that before she made her post. I get a Duh for that one. Anyway, anything you guys can do will help and this will insure that the achive and FOLCdom will go on for many years to come. Beth (no need to thank me, just trying to lead a hand) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:41:04 -1000 Reply-To: shore@maui.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: Re: L&C Fanfic Archive (WWW) ANNOUNCEMENT :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beth Guide wrote: > Demi said > > >ACTWD will collect > > donations on behalf of the archive and the two young ladies who have > been > > paying for it so far at: > > > > ACTWD > > 4180 Greenwood Drive > > Bethlehem, PA 18020 > > > > If anyone wants to write a check it needs > > to be made payable to ACTWD or Acreative Touch. > > > > > And then Beth wrote: > >>.but so that we don't get the hackles > of WB and DC comics up I would like to ask that we make the checks out > to > Moreen Romans, who pays our internet bill anyway.<< So do we still send it to the ACTWD address above and put attention Moreen Romans? Or do we need to send it to a different address? jamee...incredibly greatful for all who have donated time and money to keep L&C alive!:o) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:10:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beth Guide Subject: Re: L&C Fanfic Archive (WWW) ANNOUNCEMENT :) In-Reply-To: <35CCD400.8FE3DE71@maui.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > So do we still send it to the ACTWD address above and put attention > Moreen Romans? Or do we need to send it to a different address? Same Address she happens to live in our coporate headquarters, which kinda doubles as her house from time to time. Either way we will get it. Thanks, Beth > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:59:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEBRA GRAY Subject: Definition, please? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excuse my ignorance, but would someone please explain for me the difference between fanfic and nfic? Thanks a gazillion. PS, thanks to all of you who wrote me to answer my last ignoramus questions. Debra Gray dlgray@usa.net FoLC Trekker X-Phile (a 'Shipper to be precise!) M*A*S*Hnik JAG fan etc. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:04:35 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Definition, please? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/98 5:00:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dlgray@USA.NET writes: > Excuse my ignorance, but would someone please explain for me the difference > between fanfic and nfic? Thanks a gazillion. > Fanfic is fiction based on a television series or movie that is written by a not-professional type writer (a fan). Nfic is also fanfic, but it is normally rated NC-17... it has adult situations, sex, language, or whatever that make it inappropriate for kids to read. It is not a secret, but it is fairly well protected for Lois and Clark. It is not available for the general public, but rather directly from individual authors. It is also known as "adult" fanfic... and is available in many for many other series much more easily. The "N" comes from "naughty"... although I think that is a matter of opinion. Hope these definitions help you out. Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:30:09 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Alright Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-08-07 10:49:30 EDT, klane@DIGITAL.NET writes: << Alright as one word is not a word, regardless of whether it's in the dictionary or not >> Ah, yes, this brings back memories of 7th grade English class and our teacher's list of "unforgiveable errors." If you made one of those on a paper you would get it back with a big U and you'd have to figure out what to correct before it would be graded. I dont' remember most of the list--but one was to spell her name incorrectly, and one was "NEVER, NEVER use alright!" --Laurie (for whom 7th grade was decades ago...) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:41:50 +0000 Reply-To: wbarbara@execpc.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Barbara Knutson Subject: Re: Definition, please? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Excuse my ignorance, but would someone please explain for me the difference between fanfic and nfic? Thanks a gazillion. > > PS, thanks to all of you who wrote me to answer my last ignoramus questions. > > Debra Gray > dlgray@usa.net > Debra If you ask the question, you're ignorant of the knowledge. You're seeking information. If you don't even *ask*, you're continuing to be ignorant. This is all my not-so-humble opinion, of course.....:} "fanfic" is fiction written based on characters in a TV show or movie or whatever. "G" or "PG" or even "PG-13" rated "nfic", or "naughty" fic, is the adult-ization of it. "R" or "NC-17". Rarely XXX (hardcore)...... Barbara who can't do plot, and couldn't keep it clean to save my life, so I only write nfic.....:} +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ wbarbara@execpc.com WAFFyBarb on IRC from the land of Cheese and Beer and my beloved Brand-new-wife of Jon Knutson - the most wonderful man alive And a believer that fairy tales *can* come true.... http://members.tripod.com/~WAFFyBarb/index.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:50:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: L&C Fanfic Archive (WWW) ANNOUNCEMENT :) In-Reply-To: <000401bdc31b$15f12360$4d61cd98@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:22 PM 8/8/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Man, twice in one day. Okay. regarding the fanfic archive, Originally the >plan was to have the checks made payable to the company but for legal >reasons, we thought that maybe it could be construded as we were trying to >make a profit off donations. Heck you trusted me with $13,000 worth of your >money you know I would never do that...but so that we don't get the hackles >of WB and DC comics up I would like to ask that we make the checks out to >Moreen Romans, who pays our internet bill anyway. This way, there is no >confusion that although my company donated the site, we are doing it as FoLC >and not employees of ACTWD. And that was my fault for not telling Demi that >before she made her post. I get a Duh for that one. Naw, Beth Now that you mention it, I think I do recall you saying something about that, at least in passing, which means I get the "Duh" in all fairness ;P So give it back! LOL ;) Sorry about the confusion there, FoLCs. There has been a lot of decision making regarding the archive going on lately, I think that bit of changed information may have gotten lost in the tumble of figuring everything out. Thanks for clearing that up Mlle Guide ;) Demi __________________________________________ Demi / Demona Archive Coordinator Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive http://lcfanfic.actwd.com __________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 21:22:42 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: *hugs* to Demi (guess you can read this one, Demi :)) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, Demi, I read your post ... Verra gracious it was too. My apologies in turn for being so brusque. Demi ends: >>You're a good writer Leanne. Nothing takes away from that. You and I will simply agree to never have coffee and discuss the semi-colon, that's all. << Deal. So long as we don't discuss our colons, either! And ... do you mind if I have a lemonade? I've given up coffee :) Leanne (Demi's email filter :)) Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) Web Design: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/design/webdesign.html Home Page: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 01:21:35 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: Writer's Showcase Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Writers and Readers of L&CFanfic, I would like announce to everyone here that I now have a website which I have called Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Writer's Showcase. I love fanfic and I admire the writers of it. I have often wondered about who they are and how they get their inspiration for writing about the characters of L&C. I will 'Showcase' one fanfic writer a week. There will be a survey sent to fanfic writers and hopefully the authors will fill them out and return them to me. If you have a favorite writer you would like to see featured, please, feel free to pass on the name and email address to me. This is open for all writers 'old and new'. I hope everyone will enjoy learning more about the fanfic writers of Lois and Clark. Annie Lansbury Lansbury 1@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:02:35 +1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: trish Subject: Re: Writer's Showcase MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Annie wrote: > > I would like announce to everyone here that I now have a website which I have > called Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Writer's Showcase. I > love fanfic and I admire the writers of it. I have often wondered about who > they are and how they get their inspiration for writing about the characters > of L&C. It sounds great Annie.... but do we get the address for it ? :) Trish ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 06:50:36 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Comments: RFC822 error: MESSAGE-ID field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: Combo post on grammar: Demi, honey, you can skip this :) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:59 PM 8/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >Regina wrote: >I agree with Leanne except for 2 points...you certainly can get and hold a >job without being able to spell well, at all. Einstein was a horrible >speller. I've heard variations on this before, particularly (when I was a kid) "Einstein flunked English." But as I became older and more logical thinking (it happens from time to time!), it occurred to me that Einstein probably learned German (or maybe Hebrew) first and thus could not have "flunked English" or, in this case, necessarily have been a horrible speller. Indeed, he was no doubt fluent in several languages by the time he escaped 1930s Germany. That on top of being a mathematics/physics wizard of his time. I also tend not to believe the old urban legend that humans use only a small portion of our brains, though I do understand that there are redundant features, which is a good idea: in the event of an injury, a different part of the brain can sometimes take over when the injured part can't function any more... In other words, there are a lot of things that everybody knows that don't stand up under closer scrutiny... ;) Debby Debby@swcp.com glad that not everyone has good grammar or my job wouldn't be half so much fun ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 06:53:58 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: Combo post on grammar: Demi, honey, you can skip this :) In-Reply-To: <199808081555.LAA30612@helen.oit.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:55 AM 8/8/98 -0400, Emily wrote: >Scientific journals probably aren't such a good example. I don't know how >many articles I've read in which the English is terrible. I know that the >journals I read and submit to, and the ones my husband reads and submits to, >don't use much in the way of editors/copywriters. Articles go from the >writer to the editor, who immediately forwards it to a referee, who judges >scientific value. I have a friend who likes to tell the story of a local law firm she worked for. It was her job to type things up, and she was warned not to change a word, not even one. Well, being that she has a brain in her head and that she's a feisty woman, she would correct grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. They would turn around retype it as it "should" have been--ugly looking. Eventually, my friend fired them--they were about to fire her for "not fitting in", but she got the jump on them :) Debby Debby@swcp.com who quit a job once because everyone but me smoked ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:04:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gary Subject: Re: Combo post on grammar: Demi, honey, you can skip this :) In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:50 AM 8/9/98 -0600, you wrote: >At 09:59 PM 8/7/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Regina wrote: >>I agree with Leanne except for 2 points...you certainly can get and hold a >>job without being able to spell well, at all. Einstein was a horrible >>speller. > >I've heard variations on this before, particularly (when I was a kid) >"Einstein flunked English." But as I became older and more logical thinking >(it happens from time to time!), it occurred to me that Einstein probably >learned German (or maybe Hebrew) first and thus could not have "flunked >English" or, in this case, necessarily have been a horrible speller. >Indeed, he was no doubt fluent in several languages by the time he escaped >1930s Germany. That on top of being a mathematics/physics wizard of his time. > Einstein did fail math. But it was because he skipped all the classes, had a friend take notes and only showed up to take the exam. > >In other words, there are a lot of things that everybody knows that don't >stand up under closer scrutiny... ;) > Like the Moonlighting Effect, L&C's ratings went down after they DID NOT get married. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Gary A. Rudick mailto:gar8434@rit.edu | | My personal FoLC/MATH website | | "What's done to children, they will do to society." - Karl Menninger| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:48:32 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Layney Dixon Subject: sixth season? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ok, I am currently trapped in an alternative universe and unable to keep steady contact with the real world of Metropolis, thus I am 400 some posts behind on this list. So, my question may have already been thrown out there on the info speedway. If so, I apologize. Is there going to be a sixth season of S5...err...S6? And if so, when can we anticipate the season premiere? Oh....and what channel [site] will it be airing on? Thanks. Layney ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:53:06 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Archive Proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hi all, Let me start by loudly applauding, stamping my feet on the floor, etc etc for all those who work so hard in keeping the Fanfic Archive up and happening. I don't know about anybody else, but it was a bit of a shock to find out that the archive costs $300-$400 a month to run. I know Rhen gave it up because she had charges from the ftp side of thing (as well as the huge amount of time it took to maintain) but had rather blithely assumed that the new arrangements were, hmm, cost-efficient. So, I had an idea and I thought I would throw it out there for speculation, thoughts, etc etc It seems to me that the costs are coming from the amount of webspace taken up by over 700 stories as well as the number of hits or amount downloaded from the server. My idea was this: that each author or interested parties host a bunch of stories. It seems that many of our L&C authors have their own websites with their L&C stories, duplicating, in short, the archival effort. The head and foot of each story could have a nifty clickable banner such as: "This Story Is from the L&C Fanfic Archive" to "mark" it as an archive story. But wait, you say: what if a website with a bunch of stories disappears? Let's say one submits a story to the archive: it goes through the current process as it stands, the final version is approved. The author puts it up on their website (or the story is sent to an "interested party") and discloses the link to the archive -- the archive then merely links to the off-site story *and* keeps a copy of the story somewhere safe: on a zip disk, a hard drive -- where ever the backup is being kept now. So if the story disappears from the web -- it can be "restored" by the archive folc. The Archive will have every story in safe-keeping "offline". I would imagine that the Archive would also host those stories not picked up by "interested parties", for example, those authors who have since disappeared from FoLCdom. An interested party could offer to host stories/authors starting with a particular letter, or a theme, or even a country's worth (eg, UKFolc stories or Aussie stories) ... What would this mean for the archive? * less webspace taken up * less download charges Perhaps even whittling the expense away to nothing ... naturally, it's going to take quite a bit of organising -- all the authors should have the opportunity to host their own stories, for instance ... but if we folcs can't meet the $300-$400 a month *every* month ... this could be a way for the archive to survive. Thoughts? Leanne Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) Web Design: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/design/webdesign.html Home Page: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:54:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Archive Proposal In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:53 PM 8/9/1998 -0800, Leanne Shawler wrote: >I don't know about anybody else, but it was a bit of a shock to find out >that the archive costs $300-$400 a month to run. Yikes! It's not over $300 a month, it's over $300 a YEAR :) I said: <> That includes the inital set-up fee for the account, and then the monthly bills, plus the cost of placing Front Page extention software on the site so that we can organize and keep track of everything we've got there more easily. Believe it or not, running an archive like that and keeping track of how many different times a story, author name, title, filename, subject or theme needs to be cross referenced -- isn't easy. Ask Lauren W She was doing it by hand with a spread sheet for a long time before this, herself. Its a large administrative project. >I know Rhen gave it up >because she had charges from the ftp side of thing (as well as the huge >amount of time it took to maintain) but had rather blithely assumed that >the new arrangements were, hmm, cost-efficient. Well Rhen ended up having to pay for her space, that's what happens The only way we were 'cost-efficient' was because we had a FoLC donating a few hundred dollars of her own money to foot the bill. Chris Paterson actually went out and bought a completely new ISP just to get us up and running with the space we needed. She paid for it all this past year and she never onced asked for anything in return for that. She even volunteers her time updating with the archive team on TOP of that. But at present, she'd be looking at paying a few dollars per extra MB of space, since our cup(space) has runneth over with stories. Chris didn't suggest this, the rest of us thought it would only be fair. And now that Beth has done something similar all over again, all the more so, IMHO :) >The Archive will have every story in safe-keeping "offline". I would >imagine that the Archive would also host those stories not picked up by >"interested parties", for example, those authors who have since disappeared >from FoLCdom. >Thoughts? The idea isn't a bad one, however it's not feasible, unfortunately. When we took this task over from Rhen, we met several times and went over almost every option imaginable. Believe it or not, this one included. The thing with doing things off-site is: [] The archive needs to maintain a standard. By allowing authors to house their stories off-site we would have no way to verify their continued 'acceptible' rating, nor that the link we were presented with remains what we thought it was. In order to do that we'd have to run around at double time checking up on every story we've got listed in there, and that's a scary thought [] Also, there are a great many authors with little or no HTML experience. I'd imagine the bulk of them aren't web page creators, and they would therefore need to piggy back on someone else's site, or ours in any event. And for formatting and editting purposes, it's simply easier to keep everything uniform. This *is* truly the best way to keep stories up and available for the FoLCs. Either way you slice this, we need the space. We have unlimited space right now with the new address, so that will no longer be a problem. No one should feel that they have any obligation whatsoever to send $1 or $2 if that's not feasible for them. We aren't trying to make money off of anyone here, and we never have been. Those who have purchased the space for the archive aren't in this for a profit. They donated what they could. Some of us thought it would just be a nice gesture if we all pitched in a little now, whatever we felt like pitching in, because we're all enjoying the archive together. :) That's all. Sorry if that doesn't sound 'cost-efficient'. Take Care FoLCs ;) Demi __________________________________________ Demi / Demona Archive Coordinator Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive http://lcfanfic.actwd.com __________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:57:31 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Madden Subject: Re: Writer's Showcase Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Annie- I would thoroughly enjot checking out your new website and that survey you were talking about. Here's my name and e-mail address: Rachel M. Scardno007@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:24:19 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: -Audrey Howard Subject: Re: Writer's Showcase Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Annie- I would love to check out the website you talked about too. Here's my name and e-mail address: Audrey Howard Moped12646@aol.com By the way, what's the site's address? :) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:57:50 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Re: Archive Proposal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980809175421.00adf9a0@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 01:53 PM 8/9/1998 -0800, Leanne Shawler wrote: >>I don't know about anybody else, but it was a bit of a shock to find out >>that the archive costs $300-$400 a month to run. > >Yikes! It's not over $300 a month, it's over $300 a YEAR :) > > >No one should feel that they have any obligation whatsoever to send $1 or >$2 if that's not feasible for them. We aren't trying to make money off of >anyone here, and we never have been. Those who have purchased the space >for the archive aren't in this for a profit. They donated what they could. > Some of us thought it would just be a nice gesture if we all pitched in a >little now, whatever we felt like pitching in, because we're all enjoying >the archive together. :) > >That's all. Sorry if that doesn't sound 'cost-efficient'. > Ah :) (*Leanne blushes in embarrassment*) Well, if it's per year, that's a a lot more cost efficient than per month! *grin* Well, that was a waste of brain energy for me -- you guys have it totally under control! :) Leanne (crawling back under her rock ....) Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) Web Design: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/design/webdesign.html Home Page: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:05:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beth Guide Subject: Re: Archive Proposal Comments: cc: Kmcstr@aol.com, MoreenR@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ya, Know Leanne, I've about had it with you acting like the a sphincter muscle on the kickable back end of a donkey. Every stinking think someone does or says on this list you have to take them to task for. Demi said year LeAnn, a year 12 months, 365 days. Sorry that everyone has to put up with listening to this but its because not only can LeAnn not spell in English as evidenced by her post yesterday, she obviously can't read it either. I will say your idea sucks. You just tripled the workload. And that's why this wasn't implemented a year ago. We asked for $2 count them 2 stinking dollars to help defray a $600 bill Chris and I have incurred since Rhen decided she couldn't take it any more. That's over the course of 2 years. That goes to the server whomever they are, not to the archive staff. Finding a home for a site this large isnt easy and further more the amount of bandwidth that is involved is astronimical and if you really knew anything about anything, you would know that not only does size count (okay out of the gutter)but so does the traffic. We have a low cost server out there. So get off you high horse, take your plan and go sit back down. Again, Demi said yearly, $300 yearly, maybe where you come from there is 12 of them in a row. making up a year. But where I come from 12 months make up a year. ..now class if you take $300 and divide by 12 months you get $25 per month (and how long does a train going 50 MPH) and that's what it costs with the set up fees that again we incurred. The original home of the archive wasn't speedy enough to handle more that a handful of you requesting stories, thus why we moved it again. Speed dependability and unlimited bandwidth. We are addressing the single most issue we received from y'all as feedback nothing more nothing less. Now I want to commend Demi for her reply of this because for once she was far more level headed then me, however after a barrage of LeAnn Knows All posts over the past several days it was more than I could stomach. LeAnn before you knock someone next time and we all know there will be a next time have your facts straight. And, I may add, if you are going to grade me on grammar and syntax, I must say your little letter upset me so greatly that I'm surprised that I see to spell the words never mind worrying about the punctuation. Oh and one more thing, don't applause us and then proceed to knock every thing that this group has accomplished because that is an even bigger slap in the face than if you say it out right. Beth (taking LeAnn's Keyboard away and buying her glasses, and who wishes to apologize if I offended anyone else. In addition, this is written on behalf of Me, Beth, not the fanfic archive or anything else I'm affiliated with) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:29:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: What's the story on the Archive? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, I know I'm way behind, but I somehow missed the story on the funding crisis for the Archive. (The first thing I knew, the archive had moved addresses:( I don't remember seeing any posts about it being in trouble.) Could someone please give those of us that missed the initial crisis the Reader's Digest version of what's going on with the Archive? Thanks Margaret who *knew* that letting herself 400 posts behind was asking for trouble ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:50:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beth Guide Subject: Re: What's the story on the Archive? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980809192913.007ce290@capitalnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Margaret said >Okay, I know I'm way behind, but I somehow missed the story on the funding > crisis for the Archive. (The first thing I knew, the archive had moved > addresses:( I don't remember seeing any posts about it being in trouble.) > That's just it, its not in trouble, we just thought if anyone wanted to lend a hand, that it would help out those paying out of their own pockets...But no the archive is here to stay as long as people want it..sorry for any confusion that LeAnn may have caused making it sound like something it wasn't. There is no crisis. We moved the site to speed it up and give us more room. That's all. the new address is http://lcfanfic.actwd.com Sorry for the confusion Beth (who is answering for the archive this time) > -----Original Message----- > From: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic > [mailto:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU]On Behalf Of Margaret > Brignell > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 6:29 PM > To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > Subject: What's the story on the Archive? > > > Okay, I know I'm way behind, but I somehow missed the story on the funding > crisis for the Archive. (The first thing I knew, the archive had moved > addresses:( I don't remember seeing any posts about it being in trouble.) > > Could someone please give those of us that missed the initial crisis the > Reader's Digest version of what's going on with the Archive? > > Thanks > > Margaret > who *knew* that letting herself 400 posts behind was asking for trouble > > > ****************************** > Margaret Brignell > brignell@capitalnet.com > Ottawa, Canada > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > My fanfic now available at: > http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ > ****************************** > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:45:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: What's the story on the Archive? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980809192913.007ce290@capitalnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 08/08/1998 if you read a post made by me (demona): SUBJECT: L&C Fanfic Archive (WWW) ANNOUNCEMENT :) Everything is in there, pretty much. The archive is in a safe, stable new location, we're in no danger of closing -- just to make sure no one misunderstands. We aren't going anywhere if we can help it! We were just trying to help out the two ladies who've been paying for everything on their own until now. But again, we aren't closing down. Take Care All, Demi __________________________________________ Demi / Demona Archive Coordinator Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive http://lcfanfic.actwd.com __________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:58:08 -0400 Reply-To: salymc@gateway.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Organization: GWNET Subject: Re: Archive Proposal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beth Guide wrote: > > Ya, Know Leanne, I've about had it with you acting like the a sphincter > muscle on the kickable back end of a donkey. Every stinking think someone > does or says on this list you have to take them to task for. Demi said year > LeAnn, a year 12 months, 365 days. Sorry that everyone has to put up with > listening to this but its because not only can LeAnn not spell in English as > evidenced by her post yesterday, she obviously can't read it either. I will > say your idea sucks. You just tripled the workload. And that's why this > wasn't implemented a year ago.<< Beth, et al.: I'm not exactly the voice of reason on this or any L&C list, but I'm a little taken aback here. I looked at Leanne's post, and I don't see anything but suggestions for alternatives in the face of what she thought might be a financial problem. (Isn't it possible she just misunderstood you.) I don't think any L&C fan questions the hard work you've done, or your (or your colleagues') trustworthiness. I know that I plan to contribute something, and I only saw Leanne's post as a contribution of an idea. As for the other comments about grammar and such, there were more than a few people involved in that thread. It was a healthy debate. I hope that we always feel comfortable enough to voice our opinions in a constructive way about grammar, creativity, you name it, without anyone getting upset. I will be sending my donation this week. I use the fanfic archive a lot, I've always enjoyed it, and its the least I can do to keep it going. Sincerely, Sandy salymc@gateway.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:05:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Archive Proposal Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 um, Beth, can I offer you some paava leaves? It's sounding like you're a bit stressed. Seriously, I know Leanne can come across as obnoxious sometimes (sorry, Leanne but I'm sure you think the same of me) but the fact is that this particular suggestion of hers was very clearly meant to be helpful, and to flame her for trying to be helpful ... well, it doesn't reflect ve= ry well on anyone. We all need to vent sometimes, but this list just isn't the place to do i= t (I did it once or twice, a few months ago, but I do regret it). Far safe= r & healthier to sound off to a few good friends in private. I'm pretty sure all the FOLCs appreciate the hard work you and your staff= have put into maintaining such a classy archive, and I plan to send y'all= a contribution this week, I figure it's the least I can do. PJ who's not trying to sound like she Knows All (and I really hope this doesn't sound like a flame, because it's honestly not meant that way) and who cherishes the illusion that FOLCs are a nicer class of people than ordinary joes. !^NavFont02F03560007MGHHJ587D0C E-mail from: Pam Jernigan jernigan@compuserve.com / ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html Find all the IRC roundrobin fanfic / Featuring recommended fanfics ~~~~~ "I'm sorry, but Miles thinks he's a knight-errant. A rational government wouldn't allow him possession of a pocketknife, let alone a space fleet." --Cordelia Naismith Vorkosigan, discussing her son _Mirror Dance_ by Lois McMaster Bujold Distribution: 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of S INTERNET:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:06:09 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Archive Proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/98 4:58:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, salymc@gateway.net writes: > I'm not exactly the voice of reason on this or any L&C list, but I'm a > little taken aback here. I looked at Leanne's post, and I don't see > anything but suggestions for alternatives in the face of what she > thought might be a financial problem. (Isn't it possible she just > misunderstood you.) I don't think any L&C fan questions the hard work > you've done, or your (or your colleagues') trustworthiness. I know that > I plan to contribute something, and I only saw Leanne's post as a > contribution of an idea. Thanks, Sandy... I'm not the only one, then. I thought Leanne's suggestion was made with the best of intent... and I also understood Demi's explanation that it wasn't practical (and why). I have certainly misunderstood information and made erroneous suggestions as a result... it happens to us all. Actually, I have often wondered why so many stories are housed in so many different places... Demi's answer explained so much. Still, I thought Leanne had a creative solution, and it could have been "made" to work, if necessary. Didn't Demi say that the idea *had* been considered? That tells me the suggestion was valid... a good idea, even if it wouldn't hold up under practical application. Just my thoughts... Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:15:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Regina Gilchrist Ash Subject: reactions Hi, FoLC, Sandy said she was "taken aback" by Beth's reactive post to Leanne's...I was appalled. *FoLC* do not act/react like this. These kind of hurtful posts are the reason I left Highlander and La Femme Nikita...I just didn't think the ppl were very nice. Yes, many of us were involved in the grammar, spelling posts, but *none* were abrasive. (We disagreed very nicely, thanks :) Leanne's posts were not then, nor was her suggestions for helping the archive, out of line. She *misread* the month/year thing, and was offering a suggestion. I guess I need to calm down, too, but I just never expected to see FoLC treating each other in such a way. Regina -- Regina Ash (rash@dnet.net) ************************************************ "Science, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke *********************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cristin J Whitley Subject: I'm ashamed to be a FoLC (was Re: Archive Proposal) >Ya, Know Leanne, I've about had it with you acting like the a sphincter >muscle on the kickable back end of a donkey. Every stinking think someone >does or says on this list you have to take them to task for. Demi said year >LeAnn, a year 12 months, 365 days. Sorry that everyone has to put up with >listening to this but its because not only can LeAnn not spell in English as >evidenced by her post yesterday, she obviously can't read it either. I will >say your idea sucks. You just tripled the workload. And that's why this >wasn't implemented a year ago. Beth and anyone else who felt like reading this, This reply is by far the rudest, most hurtful thing I have ever read. Beth, if someone makes you mad, insulting them (especially as violently as you did) is not the answer. I am 100% sure you, like all of us, have misread something. You had absolutely no right to explode on poor Leanne who, from my viewpoint, was just trying to help you. Digs like the ones in the above paragraph are not only insulting, but also uncalled for. It makes me so mad to think that yesterday I was on the verge of complimenting you and Demi (Demi, I still extend my thanks to you. :o)) for the wonderful job you did in asking for help and a little bit of cash (which the archive most certainly deserves). This is not an easy thing to do. You both handled it quite nicely and extremely graciously right up until you sent this email. I just hope your rudeness doesn't discourage people from helping the archive. It is a great thing and I appreciate all of you who have made it possible over the years. >We asked for $2 count them 2 stinking dollars to help defray a $600 bill >Chris and I have incurred since Rhen decided she couldn't take it any more. >That's over the course of 2 years. That goes to the server whomever they >are, not to the archive staff. Finding a home for a site this large isnt >easy and further more the amount of bandwidth that is involved is >astronimical and if you really knew anything about anything, you would know >that not only does size count (okay out of the gutter)but so does the >traffic. We have a low cost server out there. So get off you high horse, >take your plan and go sit back down. Complaining like this is not a good way to encourage people to send those "2 stinking dollars". I know that you have certainly made me uneasy about the whole idea. Also, you are not the one to judge if anyone "really knows anything about anything" unless you *are* that person. >Again, Demi said yearly, $300 yearly, maybe where you come from there is 12 >of them in a row. making up a year. But where I come from 12 months make up >a year. ..now class if you take $300 and divide by 12 months you get $25 per >month (and how long does a train going 50 MPH) and that's what it costs >with the set up fees that again we incurred. The original home of the >archive wasn't speedy enough to handle more that a handful of you requesting >stories, thus why we moved it again. Speed dependability and unlimited bandwidth. >We are addressing the single most issue we received from y'all as feedback >nothing more nothing less. The sarcasm is not appreciated. I know you ticked me off, and I would imagine other FoLCs feel the same way. I find it quite amazing that someone smart enough to help run such a great website can be so dumb as to do something like this. >Now I want to commend Demi for her reply of this because for once she was >far more level headed then me, however after a barrage of LeAnn Knows All >posts over the past several days it was more than I could stomach. I also think Demi did a great job both with presenting the idea and replying to all posts. Thank you, Demi. I have not seen a single "Leanne Knows All" post in the time I have been on this mailing list. Personally. I think Leanne is a great writer and a great person. I appreciate all the info she has given out on this list, Unlike you, her posts have helped me to become a better writer. >LeAnn before you knock someone next time and we all know there will be a >next time have your facts straight. And, I may add, if you are going to >grade me on grammar and syntax, I must say your little letter upset me so >greatly that I'm surprised that I see to spell the words never mind worrying >about the punctuation. Oh and one more thing, don't applause us and then >proceed to knock every thing that this group has accomplished because that >is an even bigger slap in the face than if you say it out right. Just because someone read wrong doesn't mean they deserve such insulting replies. Also, I have never seen Leanne or any other FoLC for that matter knock someone on this list or on loiscla or anywhere else. Perhaps others have found grammar tips useful. Did you ever consider this? Leanne's post didn't knock anything that ya'll have done. In fact, I believe she was commending you on a good job. >Beth (taking LeAnn's Keyboard away and buying her glasses, and who wishes to >apologize if I offended anyone else. In addition, this is written on behalf >of Me, Beth, not the fanfic archive or anything else I'm affiliated with) I don't care if you say you aren't saying things on behalf of things you are affiliated with. When you say and do things, when any of us do, it reflects back on and is representative of our families, teachers, friends, and any groups we may be a part of. In the email that infuriated me so, you represented the FoLCs. I must say, when I read it, I was ashamed to be a FoLC (something I thought I'd never say). If you must know, I am crying as I write this because you have made me so upset. Cristin (who gives any FoLC permission to check the grammar in her letter. I'd love to learn from *my* mistakes. I also apologize for lashing out so publicly, but I wanted everyone to know how upset this made me.) CKandLL4ever@Juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:38:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gary Subject: What goes around, comes around, was (Re: Archive Proposal) In-Reply-To: <199808092005_MC2-5593-EEE7@compuserve.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:05 PM 8/9/98 -0400, you wrote: > um, Beth, can I offer you some paava leaves? It's sounding >like you're a bit stressed. > >Seriously, I know Leanne can come across as obnoxious sometimes (sorry, >Leanne but I'm sure you think the same of me) but the fact is that >this particular suggestion of hers was very clearly meant to be helpful, >and to flame her for trying to be helpful ... well, it doesn't reflect very >well on anyone. > As someone who has been flamed by Leanne for offering helpful advice before, I gotta say I'm not surprised... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Gary A. Rudick mailto:gar8434@rit.edu | | My personal FoLC/MATH website | | "What's done to children, they will do to society." - Karl Menninger| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:08:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEBRA GRAY Subject: Re: [Writer's Showcase] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Dear Writers and Readers of L&CFanfic, > > I would like announce to everyone here that I now have a website which I have called Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Writer's Showcase. I love fanfic and I admire the writers of it. I have often wondered about who they are and how they get their inspiration for writing about the characters of L&C. > > I will 'Showcase' one fanfic writer a week. There will be a survey sent to fanfic writers and hopefully the authors will fill them out and return them to me. > > If you have a favorite writer you would like to see featured, please, feel free to pass on the name and email address to me. This is open for all writers 'old and new'. > > I hope everyone will enjoy learning more about the fanfic writers of Lois and Clark. > > > Annie Lansbury > Lansbury 1@aol.com Annie, this sounds like a great website, and I'd love to check it out. But you never gave us the URL. :( Could you fill us in, please? Thanks. Debra dlgray@usa.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:20:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beth Guide Subject: Re: Archive Proposal In-Reply-To: <1da712d1.35ce3974@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry that I may have offended anyone...however, perception is everything. And after saying we are doing a good job and gave us a 30 minute dissertation on how we could do our job better, And what was the next post, is the archive in crisis. I too have misread posts. And no debate never bothers me. In fact I like it, I like to see other peoples opinions and maybe learn something from them. But, I guess after sitting here and reading, no matter what Demi says Leanne has to argue with it, and that's what I take humberage at. Its one upmanship at its finest. If this weren't the case, and there was some sincerity in this post, the fact Leanne housed season 5 on simplenet and she knows that there are far cheaper servers out there than $300 a month should speak volumns to back what I am saying. As the owner of a web design company she knows there is places cheaper than $300 per month. To offer one of those would make me believe her comments were heartfelt not a slap in the face. To offer a server that charges less that $300 per month as would have been of genuine help. I'm not sure what the intent here was. All I do know is that we got a letter saying hey do it this way when I am acutely aware that she KNOWS of places that would charge us far less than $300. And yet she choose to tell use this big plan of how to do it. In addition, the feeling I got was that my company was going to charge the fanfic archive $300 a month to house this site. I have never once taken advantage of anything and do not intend on starting now. Ya, know Demi, I knew better than to put the company name on the make payable line and I was worried about WB thinking we were profitting. I never guessed a folc would think that of me. Again to anyone that was offended I'm sorry. I was horribly offended at her implications across the board. And I should be allowed that right. Beth ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:12:55 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: [Writer's Showcase] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/98 6:09:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dlgray@USA.NET writes: > Annie, this sounds like a great website, and I'd love to check it out. But > you never gave us the URL. :( Could you fill us in, please? > Thanks. > First off... I'm not annie... but I have seen several of these posts, so I thought I'd fill you in. The site is in progress, and Annie is currently obtaining surveys from various authors. As soon as the site is up and running, she will announce the URL. Hope this clears things up :) Crystal (a friend of annie's) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:22:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: All Right, Alright ;) (Was Re: Archive Proposal) In-Reply-To: <1da712d1.35ce3974@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:06 PM 8/9/1998 EDT, you wrote: > Didn't Demi say that the >idea *had* been considered? That tells me the suggestion was >valid... a good idea, even if it wouldn't hold up under practical >application. Yes, we considered a lot of varying alternatives when the archive was re-housed. And Leanne's most recent idea was indeed one of them, at least in terms of having the stories housed off site. In all fairness I agree that Beth's response was harsh. It was perhaps even a little on the heedless side of 'proper'. But it also seemed to me that Beth's response came out that way because she felt hurt, personally. And she forgot to censor her feelings on the way out. We've all been guilty of that before. Beth is directly involved in the economics of keeping the archive up and running these days, and I know she was willing to do it on her own until we suggested otherwise. Because of that, I can see how Leanne's post could have been interpreted more than one way by Beth, in her position. Since I wasn't there when she wrote it, I don't want to interpret for her misleadingly, but I belive she responded the way she did because *she* interpreted the suggestion as being that Leanne was implying that people were attempting to make money off of this. And that Leanne didn't believe the expenses were real and challenged them. Which, quite truly she did. (Though she misunderstood the month vs. year aspect which probably played a large part in that). The fact remains, that over a $1 donation, it looked to me like Beth felt ... well I'll leave it to Beth to fill in that blank. Leanne's idea was valid, and her suggestion was not a bad one but I think since the economics of this are so close to Beth, she took Leanne's post very seriously. In so far as that goes, I can see why she wanted to set things straight. Yes, she responded a little (OK..a lot ;) emotionally, but I think we've all been guilty of that from time to time. Leanne made her angry. We've all been angry before and we all will be again. And before we hang *anybody* at high noon (Beth or Leanne), we need to remember that sometimes, what seems 'simple' to one person may be interpreted a lot differently by someone else. ...And other times, a post is worded a certain way purposefully so as to be received differently by 'certain' people and seem completely harmless to others who aren't as close to the issue. We all know how that goes too. Beth probably did misunderstand Leanne. In fact, I'm sure she did. But, to a certain extent then -- so did a few other people, who may not have been as eager to stick their necks out and let people know they were upset or hurt. In the end, I don't think this issue deserves to see anyone scandalized over it. It would just be wrong. I'm sorry Leanne was dragged through the trenches over it, and I'd be even sorrier of we all picked up sticks and began beating on one another defending our 'side of the fence' now. The fact remains that the *only* reason anyone posted on this subject, Leanne included, is because we *all* care about the future of FOLC fanfic, and we want what's best for everyone involved. I say...we leave it at that, and move on. Demi ;) __________________________________________ Demi / Demona Archive Coordinator Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive http://lcfanfic.actwd.com __________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:47:14 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Archive Proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-08-09 20:06:34 EDT, jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM writes: << and who cherishes the illusion that FOLCs are a nicer class of people than ordinary joes. >> Why Pam, I thought that this was absolutely true, not an illusion at all. :) --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:42:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: What's the story on the Archive? In-Reply-To: <000101bdc3f0$6ec34420$76b9ac98@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:50 PM 8/9/1998 -0500, Beth wrote: >That's just it, its not in trouble, we just thought if anyone wanted to lend >a hand, that it would help out those paying out of their own pockets... I either didn't get, or skipped, the message asking to help out, so I was a tad out of the loop. >But >no the archive is here to stay as long as people want it..sorry for any >confusion that LeAnn may have caused making it sound like something it >wasn't. There is no crisis. Actually, it wasn't Leanne's post that first gave me this impression--it was another post talking about a "corrected address" to send cheques to. Since I hadn't previously read anything about the original address (or the amount of a $1 or $2), I was under the impression that larger donations were being requested. Consequently, I had the impression that there was some kind of crisis like Rhen had run into earlier. Thanks for straightening me out:) >Sorry for the confusion >Beth (who is answering for the archive this time) Not a problem:) Since I don't have any US cash handy, does anyone have suggestions on how to donate a few bucks from outside the US? (The service charges on a US cheque are astronomical; and we won't even *talk* about the &*%^%@$# exchange rate) Also, could you reprint that correct address again? I've managed to lose it in the shuffle;\ Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:50:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sarah Murray Subject: Re: The L&C Fanfic Archive Needs Editors In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi FoLCs :) Just popping out of lurkdom to put in a (unsolicited! ;) plug for being a GE. I've been one since the archive started and have thoroughly enjoyed it. It gives me an excuse to actually set aside time to read fanfic, which is tough to do otherwise given the schedule of a college student I've had very positive experiences working with authors, and it keeps my proofing skills sharp. It does take some time (what Kathy mentioned is pretty accurate) but, hey, there are certainly worse ways to spend 5 hours a week than reading L&C fanfic :) Sarah scmurra1@students.wisc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:32:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LLOYD RALSTON Subject: my fic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A Revelation & the Bullet by CiceroCat (cicerocat@mailcity.com) First of all, I'd like to thank all who looked over this and gave me their opinons and comments. And I'd especially like to thank Becky, my editor on this fic, without her persistance and patience this fic would never be here. If you would like to send me comments on this fic, good or bad, please send them to: cicerocat@mailcity.com Disclaimer: I don't own any of the characters (except for the Roberts---I made them up), they belong to WB & TNT. Also I'm using some of the original text---or as close as I can remember it---for some of these parts. Also the suit and acid idea came from the Superman cartoon that comes on the WB Saturday mornings. This takes place right at the end of "And the Answer Is..." So you might be a little lost if you hadn't seen it. Note: * * is emphasis ----------------------------------------------------------------- A Revelation Story (part 1) As Lois and Clark walked through the park, they hardly noticed they were approaching a fountain, the same fountain that Clark had gone by earlier to drop off the diamonds he had been blackmailed into stealing so Mazik wouldn't kill his parents. Lois's thoughts were elsewhere, thinking about the man--make that two men--in her life, until Clark wrapped his arm more tightly around her shoulder, bringing her back to the present. "We have to talk, Lois," he said. "Yes, we do," Lois agreed. "You go first." "Okay. First of all, I have to say that...that I love you and I will always love you, Lois. Ever since I first set eyes on you, I knew you were the special someone I was always looking for--searching for my whole life." "Oh, Clark...I love you, too," Lois replied, her voice breaking slightly and her eyes growing moist at the sincerity of his declaration. He smiled and then pulled her down onto the edge of the fountain. She looked expectantly into his brown eyes that were hidden behind his glasses, waiting for him to go on. This is definitely something major since he has that look in his eyes...Is he going to tell me now, she thought hopefully. Finally, after all this time? Clark gazed into her eyes and started to speak, "Lois, I--" But suddenly a lightning bolt flashed across the dark sky with thunder following in its wake. The rain fell soon afterwards. Clark, looking totally exasperated, turned and spoke to the sky, "C'mon, can't you just gimme a break once?!" "Clark, uh, do you want to get out of the rain?" Lois asked. "Lois, not even if the earth opened up at my feet would I move till I asked this," Clark said determinedly, sincerely, as he proceeded to get down on one knee. Her breath stilled at his seriousness. Uh oh, thought Lois, is this what it looks like? Is it...? "Lois, will you marry me?" Clark said as he pulled a small box from his pocket and opened it up to reveal a beautiful diamond engagement ring. It was hard to see his eyes through the water droplets clinging to the lenses of his glasses, but Lois knew they were filled with hope; and she suddenly felt a wave of confused, jumbled emotions run over her---love, anger and disappointment were just a few of them. Though this was what she had dreamed of, it irked her that Clark wouldn't reveal his secret to her first. The nerve of him, Lois thought, then quickly calmed herself down. After all, Clark was expecting an answer. She reached out as if to caress the side of his face and answered him, "Who's asking, Clark Kent or..." and she slid his glasses quickly off his face and stared deeply into his shocked brown eyes. "...Superman?" His mouth fell open, his bottom jaw practically hitting the ground at her revelation. Lois was satisfied by his reaction; Clark wasn't expecting this. He thought *he'd* have to tell her. After staring at each other for just a moment, Lois tittered, "Clark, that's not a very attractive look on you." And she closed his mouth. Slowly rising to his feet, Clark broke the prolonged silence, "Lois...we, uh, we should get out of the rain. It's cold and..." "Like you have to worry about that, Mr. Invulnerable-To-Everything," Lois snapped angrily, all her pent-up emotions bubbling to the surface. "I was more worried about you, after all you went through--being frozen and all--you might catch a cold," he said meekly, avoiding her harsh, piercing gaze. Clark wanted to get her somewhere, anywhere not public, so that if her voice continued to rise, no one could accidentally overhear them. And I am vulnerable when it comes to you, Lois, he thought. But saying so would probably just infuriate her further, so he kept that to himself. "It's *so* nice to know that you cared," she drawled, her voice dripping with sarcasm. Even though she really did appreciate knowing he cared about her, she didn't want that concept to interrupt her current train of thought. Realizing she really was cold and wet, she turned and walked off in a huff, Clark right behind her. They ended up underneath a building's marquee--its canopy was the closest shelter from the rain--and she stood shivering, waiting for him to say something to explain his reasons for keeping her in the dark for so long. "Lois, you're wet, I--" "Well duh, Clark, you know *that is* what happens when you go out in the rain without an umbrella." He ignored her sardonic retort and sighed, "I can dry you off in a jiffy, just hold still." Then he used his heat vision to remove all dampness from her clothes. Lois was secretly thrilled when he used his superpowers as Clark in front of her. She was almost afraid that he would try to deny that he was, in fact, the famed "Man of Steel," but she didn't let any of her emotions show through except her anger. "Show off," she murmured, but she knew he heard anyway from his smile. "I don't mind showing off for you, Lois," he replied softly as their eyes locked. Lois' anger subsided for a second, just a second, as he looked at her with his earnest, puppy dog eyes, begging to be forgiven. You aren't going to get off that easy, buster, she thought and glared at him. He sighed in resignation, this wasn't going to be easy for either of them. "Lois, we do need to talk," he finally said as the rain began to let up. "You bet we do! So ask away, I know you are dying to." "Okay..." he started, "how long have you known?" She was genuinely surprised at that question. "That's your first question? I thought you'd ask how I figured it out." "Yeah, well, that's tied with the 'How mad are you?' question," he said. Lois finally noticed that the rain had subsided considerably so she started walking aimlessly down the street and Clark followed her. Like he has a choice, she thought. "Okay," Clark asked again, "how long?" "Since yesterday." "How?" Lois turned to him, forcing him to stop. "When you did this," she said and put her hand on the side of Clark's face, touching him like Superman had touched her in her apartment right before he froze her with his superbreath. That day seemed like an eternity ago, Lois thought wistfully, wishing things could go back to being easy; where Clark Kent did not equal Superman and didn't bring up all these confusing and frustrating issues. But at least the truth was better than living in a constant lie. She recognized the realization in his eyes and said, "You did that as both Superman and as Clark Kent." "Oh," he said, and looked down at the wet sidewalk, avoiding eye contact with her again. Lois walked a bit further down the street, leaving Clark behind momentarily with his memories and allowing him time to collect his thoughts. After a moment, he caught up with her and asked, "So, how mad are you?" "I'm not mad," Lois said curtly. "Yeah, right, and I'm *not* Superman, but we both already know that's not true." In an attempt to control her voice and belie what she truly felt, she responded, "I'm not angry, I'm more...hurt." But Clark could sense the deep, painful emotions coursing through her and he felt very guilty that he was the source of them. "Oh," he replied. She whirled on him. "Why didn't you ever tell me!? Don't you trust me? Did you think I'd betray you to the world just for a story?" she shouted, mad at herself for the loss of control and the tears she could feel starting--and they weren't tears of happiness this time. Get a grip, Lane, she thought. He *is* *not* going to see you break down like this, about this. Stay strong! God, why can he always do this to me? He's the only one who could ever get to me like this. Why?! But even as she asked herself that, she knew the answer in her heart--she loved him with every bit of her being and she couldn't imagine living without him. That's why they had to get past this hurdle thrown in their path, so they could get back together again and be as close as they used to be, as they should be. She definitely wanted them to be back together. But will this change everything, she wondered? Can we ever go back to the way we used to be, so in love and content with each other? Yes, this will change everything, she decided, but the real question is--will it be for the better or for the worse--Lois simply didn't know. But she did know they were both strong, and if they were meant to be together, they'd overcome this obstacle and hopefully, in the process, be even that much more closer than they ever were before. Clark's brown eyes softened at the sight of her tears and at how she pulled herself together, determined to hide how much this bothered her. I've really hurt her by lying, haven't I? I never meant to...no one ever means to hurt the one they love, even if it's for their own good. Can I explain that to her, he wondered? That it was for her own good? Would she even listen? I have to try, for both of our sakes, he decided just as Lois began to impatiently tap her foot on the sidewalk. "Lois, I'm sorry I hurt you. Believe me, I never wanted to." Clark touched her cheek, quickly wiping away a lone tear which had streaked down from her eye before he pulled away, so afraid that she'd pull away first. Right now he didn't think he could stand rejection of any kind. "I-I never meant to cause you this much pain. I trust you with my life, Lois," he said with all the sincerity in his heart, hoping that Lois would see it and believe him. That she'd know exactly how much she meant to him. Clark hoped she could see that he had hated lying to her and wanted to tell her nothing but the truth now, but before it hadn't been possible. "Then why?" she asked, barely above a whisper, as the tears threatened again. Clark was furious at himself for being the cause of them. Suddenly, before he could respond, a sound caught his attention and he got a far-off, intent expression on his face as he slightly cocked his head to one side. "Clark?" Lois asked, and then it dawned on her what that expression meant---he was hearing, actually superhearing, something. It also explained why he always ran off at the most inopportune times conceivable with really lame excuses, like that one about the "Cheese of the Month Club." She approached him, recapturing his attention in the process, "What is it?" Clark's face had an anguished look on it; he didn't want to leave Lois as he had done countless times in the past--especially with this current problem. Clark felt that their relationship was in a delicate balance, that if something went wrong in the next few days, if something upset it, they might never be able to restore it like he so desperately wanted to do. And like always, it seemed that someone needed Superman right when they were in the middle of an important discussion. He sighed in frustration and exasperation, but at least Lois finally knew the real reason why he was always running off--no more lies. "I hear something...a cry for help," Clark said, and then jerked his head around as the noise got louder and even Lois could hear it. He started toward it, but turned back to look at Lois, silently asking, pleading with his eyes for her permission to go. She knew he'd stay if she asked him to, even though both of them would regret it. "Oh, go, Clark. Go...do your thing," she said in a slightly irked voice. But at least she knew why he was running off this time, that helped dissipate some of the anger she was feeling. "You're sure?" "Go!" Lois shooed him off with her hands. He smiled at her as he stepped back a bit from the sidewalk and quickly spun, transforming into Superman right before her ever-widening eyes. He grinned again, "I've wanted to do that in front of you for a long time," he said. This comment had a mollifying effect on her, and the anger she felt at him for running off again instantly disappeared. "I'll be right back, just don't go anywhere," he said, and then took off in a blue and red blur toward the screams. Lois was filled with awe and astonishment--she hadn't expected him to change right in front of her, nor had she guessed he'd really *want* to, so all she got out was a simple, "Wow!" Once she recovered somewhat, Lois took off after him; both to appease her curiosity and also for the chance to see Clark in action. She had seen him stop many muggings, robberies and the like before, but she had never thought of him as Clark doing those things. This is going to be a whole new experience, she thought as a tremor of excitement ran through her. * * * * * * continued in part two.... (Thanks Becky for cutting this up in appropriate sizes ;-) Please tell me what you think, this is my first ever fic (and first one completed of any kind I'm writing). Do you want me to continue posting this here? Btw, I'm going to send this to the archive as soon as I recieve confirmation on the address (email) to send it to. Has it changed since the move? --cc-- Lloyd Ralston Preferred Company lloydr@ldd.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:58:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: hi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know I am sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, however... >Sandy said she was "taken aback" by Beth's reactive post to Leanne's...I >was appalled. *FoLC* do not act/react like this. These kind of hurtful >posts are the reason I left Highlander and La Femme Nikita...I just didn't >think the ppl were very nice. I usually don't care what people say on this list, its just we get newbies every day and I'd hate to see them unsubscribe because they may think this is an unfriendly list ( i just had a couple of people unsub today). This is my only reason, honest! I know writers are passoniate people! please remember that its much harder (for me anyway) to really express my feelings and tone of voice when we type out our words. I may come off brash when I state certain opinions as well, but, I don't think we need to begin name calling. I understand as soon as you send messages that you wish you could call them back, but if you need to do so [to send your soap-box emails], please do it privately. I hope you understand my point, and if I don't make sense, i have a cold and the Nyquil is starting to kick in. have a nice monday :) farah :) fchisham@indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:09:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Archive Proposal Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> In addition, the feeling I got was that my company was going to charge= the fanfic archive $300 a month to house this site. I have never once taken advantage of anything and do not intend on starting now. Ya, know Demi, I= knew better than to put the company name on the make payable line and I w= as worried about WB thinking we were profitting. I never guessed a folc woul= d think that of me. << Well, Beth, I can reassure you that the thought never crossed my mind, but, now that I think about it, I can also understand that you'd be very upset at the (real or imagined) implication; that sort of thing would mak= e me go ballistic, too. PJ who hopes that this thing will die quickly = as everyone calms down !^NavFont02F023A000FMGJHH3DMH3FHI3C1849 E-mail from: Pam Jernigan jernigan@compuserve.com / ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html Find all the IRC roundrobin fanfic / Featuring recommended fanfics ~~~~~ "I'm sorry, but Miles thinks he's a knight-errant. A rational government wouldn't allow him possession of a pocketknife, let alone a space fleet." --Cordelia Naismith Vorkosigan, discussing her son _Mirror Dance_ by Lois McMaster Bujold Distribution: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of S INTERNET:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:17:28 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: OT: my new screensaver project... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01BDC3E3.7EF32B60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01BDC3E3.7EF32B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all :) I know this really isn't fanfic list material, but with the other list = down, I needed to go somewhere to ask for help. =20 Have you guys seen those funny programs that will spontaneously pop = something up onto your screen every hour or so for a few secs while = you're working on something? Well, I'm having my hubby embark on a new = project now that my waving cape screensaver is done. :) (Aren't I a = slave driver? ) I thought it would be cool to find a program like that where I could = have him record from my LNC eps tapes that scene in VD at the end where = Jaxon pops up on the DP monitor yelling, "Noooo!" just before that cool = "duh duh-duh duhhhh" music ends the ep. (music and Jaxon yelling would = be included, of course ) You know the scene: the one where it looks = like he's trapped inside the computer? =20 Anyway, I thought it would be cool for the program to show the avi of = that scene on my computer screen every so often during the day. I'd = could be working on some doldrum spread sheet or something, and suddenly = have Jaxon appear on my screen yelling. Maybe I'd hate it after the = sudden and unexpected appearance of him yelling scares me to death. :) OK...MY POINT IS... Does anyone know of a program like this they = could recommend? Thought I'd pick your brains before having him search = the net for one. And of course I'd post the thing to my web page when it was done so that = anybody who wanted to download it, could. Thanks for putting up with this off-topic, cry-for-help post.=20 Erin :) aka ELK on IRC erink@ida.net ******************** "The truth is no one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the = years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." "You bet your sweet chumpy I am." ******************** ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01BDC3E3.7EF32B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all :)
 
I know this really isn't fanfic list material, but = with the=20 other list down, I needed to go somewhere to ask for help. = <g> =20
 
Have you guys seen those funny programs that will=20 spontaneously pop something up onto your screen every hour or so for a = few secs=20 while you're working on something?  Well, I'm having my hubby = embark on a=20 new project now that my waving cape screensaver is done. :)  = (Aren't I a=20 slave driver? <g>)
 
I thought it would be cool to find a program like = that where I=20 could have him record from my LNC eps tapes that scene in VD at the end = where=20 Jaxon pops up on the DP monitor yelling, "Noooo!" just before = that=20 cool "duh duh-duh duhhhh" music ends the ep.  (music and = Jaxon=20 yelling would be included, of course <g>) You know the = scene:  the=20 one where it looks like he's trapped inside the computer?  =
 
Anyway, I thought it would be cool for the program = to show the=20 avi of that scene on my computer screen every so often during the = day.  I'd=20 could be working on some doldrum spread sheet or something, and suddenly = have=20 Jaxon appear on my screen yelling. <g>  Maybe I'd hate it = after the=20 sudden and unexpected appearance of him yelling scares me to death.=20 :)
 
OK...MY POINT IS... <g>  Does anyone know = of a=20 program like this they could recommend?  Thought I'd pick your = brains=20 before having him search the net for one.
 
And of course I'd post the thing to my web page when = it was=20 done so that anybody who wanted to download it, could.
 
Thanks for putting up with this off-topic, = cry-for-help post.=20