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Date:         Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:56:39 PDT
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I think that the fanfic your looking for is called "In the begining."
You can find it on the main fanfic archive.
           K.C.

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Date:         Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:56:18 -0800
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>>X-From_: PEverett9@aol.com  Tue Jun 30 09:20:38 1998
>>From: PEverett9@aol.com
>>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:09:05 EDT
> >Subject: from Peace
>>
>>Hi, all,
>>
>>Just touching base here -- my AT&T Worldnet account has
>>gotten screwed up, and I have been told it probably won't be
>>fixed for a week.  Makes me glad for once that I still have
>>AOL... :S
>>
>>Anyway, just wanted to let you know I haven't died, just
>>temporarily relocated.  I'll let you know as soon as Worldnet
>>gets its act together again, and in the meantime, I'll be
>>checking the mail here on AOL.
>>
>>[Nancy, would you forward this to the fanfic list, so that
>>people there will know where to find me?  I don't really
>>want to resubscribe for just a week.]
>>
>>Peace
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From:         Kathy Brown <kbrown@WEBMART.NET>
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Catching up on fanfic list mail, as I'm finally semi-moved into my new
house (and this is much more fun than unpacking boxes ;)) ... oh, and I
finally got subscribed under my new email address. :)

At 10:20 PM -0400 6/27/98, Margaret Brignell wrote:
>Trust me, they're *all* like this:P  e.g. in TA, Lana grabs Clark after
>7pm, the Langs and he have dinner and talk wedding plans, then Clark
>rescues Lois and *then* they go shopping for ski suits, boots and cape
>material?  It's the middle of the *night* for crying out loud<g>

Since Clark can fly and Lois knows it (i.e., he doesn't have to hide it
from her), maybe they flew to an earlier time zone to buy the material.  If
this Clark speaks half as many languages as our Clark, I'm sure he could
negotiate a good deal on some European or Asian spandex. <g>

Kathy (who loves being a FoLC -- we can explain away anything ;))

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Hi, just checking to see if the list is still up and running; I might be
having server problems, but I'm not sure!
Sorry to take up your time!  This is just a test....
Angie
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This is a question regarding nfic... please delete if the subject offends
you...

Hello everyone... long time no post ;)

I have a legality type question.  I am in the middle of a story, a "first
love" type of theme, and it ranges into nfic... heavy R, maybe even NC-17...

Anyway, what are the regulations regarding stories like this.  I have seen
several disclaimers in stories telling us that the characters are over 18
for
legality's sake, and in this case, the characters are a bit underage.  Not
REALLY underage, but they are high school students.  I thought about
changing
their ages, but this story is a followup to an established story, and
waiting
until they are "old enough" would really disrupt the story...

I have seen strange things posted in adult fanfic... ranging from
homosexuality, to groups, to really, really kinky stuff... I'm wondering,
how
much trouble would I get in putting this on a clearly labled adult site??  I
don't want to be in trouble, but I think the story is pretty good, and I
hate
to see it hidden (especially when it was requested by readers following the
first story).

Does anyone know what the rules are??

Thanks,
Crystal
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Date:         Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:37:23 -0400
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This is a question regarding nfic... please delete if the subject offends
you...

>>Anyway, what are the regulations regarding stories like this.  I have
seen
several disclaimers in stories telling us that the characters are over 18
for
legality's sake, and in this case, the characters are a bit underage.  Not
REALLY underage, but they are high school students.  I thought about
changing
their ages, but this story is a followup to an established story, and
waiting
until they are "old enough" would really disrupt the story...<<

As I understand it, it's not the characters who should be over 18 in nfic,
but the *people who read the stories* should be adult.  At least, that's
what my provisos have always stated.  Be that as it may, I don't think L&C
stories should *ever* venture into children "making love" -- not that
anybody is suggesting that that is what you want are asking.  However, if
you're talking about  young adults who love each other and are experiencing
their first initiation into lovemaking, I think -- if handled with
sensitivity, care, and with a discussion about the very issue of their age,
as many novels do which choose to tackle such a real life possibility --
that it certainly can be no more objectionable to the vast majority of
readers than other stories which handle these issues with the same amount
of care.

This is my personal feeling and as a concerned adult, I think stories which
handle young love in a responsible manner, can teach lessons about what it
means to be an adult and how important it is to understand all the possible
implications and "dangers" of taking such a delicate step before reaching
legal age as well as the joy of sharing something with someone (when the
time is right --> *big* issue) who loves you, respects you and takes every
necessary precaution.

Frankly, there are people over the age of 18 who should spend more time
thinking about these things.
Sandy
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Hello All,=20
        Well I have decided to leave this list. My life is changing and I
have =
decided (sob sob) to move on from Lois and Clark fanfiction. I will =
still be on the main list, and if you want to contact me for any reason =
please feel free to do so. (gardners@htc.net) I really want ya'll to =
keep in contact, so write me and don't forget to visit Brad's World. If =
a season 6 ever starts I might get back on, but don't count on it. I =
hope to hear from some of you soon,=20

Brad Gardner
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http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/brdswrld.html  <--Visit Brad's =
World
Spencer Spencer: You can be my sex slave.=20
Lois: Kill Me.
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From:         Gary <gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU>
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At 05:08 PM 7/2/98 -0400, you wrote:

>
>Anyway, what are the regulations regarding stories like this.  I have seen
>several disclaimers in stories telling us that the characters are over 18
for
>legality's sake, and in this case, the characters are a bit underage.  Not
>REALLY underage, but they are high school students.  I thought about
changing
>their ages, but this story is a followup to an established story, and
waiting
>until they are "old enough" would really disrupt the story...
>

>
>Does anyone know what the rules are??
>
>Thanks,
>Crystal
>

I've read the New York State Penal Code, and nfanfic of any type is
completely
legal (on sexual grounds). As long as the works remain words and never
become
visual, or other 3-D representations thereof.

And as long as they're both 16 it should be okay, you can get married at
that age
anyway.

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In a message dated 98-07-02 22:20:45 EDT, gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU writes:

<< I've read the New York State Penal Code, and nfanfic of any type is
completely
 legal (on sexual grounds). >>

Now, Gary, I'd be quite surprised if NY Penal Code specifically refers to
nfanfic <g>. Tell me I live in a state that is so cyberaware that it
actually
mentions such things!

--Laurie
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Sorry I'm *so* late in getting in on this thread, but I'm trying to catch
up this weekend :)  I've only read Sandra's reply, but it makes me want to
reply, so...

At 10:18 PM 6/18/98 +0000, you wrote:
>>>I'll also ask the *big* question.  Why was it wrong for Lois to love
>>Superman instead of Clark?  She didn't know they were the same guy,
>>that was the idea Clark had in mind, wasn't it? Create a persona to
>>fool the public?<<

>Why is it "not okay" to love Superman instead of Clark?

>Well, for the sake of argument, because Superman is the disguise and Clark
>is the real person.  Superman is the vehicle through which Clark performs
>his acts of heroism.  Loving Superman, without knowing anything about him
>other than that he shows up periodically and performs heroic deeds is a
>fantasy kind of love.

I agree that it's fantasy, but in Lois's defense (I liked 1st season Lois
because she survived all her trials and got stronger), in Lois's defense,
she had tried "real" guys and found them wanting. She was a hard-working
woman who didn't have time for an ordinary, dull social life. If she was
looking for anyone, it was a man who was her equal intellectually and
spiritually (not in a religious sense but in an approach to the world), a
man who would be her true partner. I think she fell hard for Superman
because he more than fulfilled that dream guy role: he was as super as she
was and more, and she saw him as a real person who might possibly need a
person like her.

Further in her defense, she did want to know more about Superman.  She was
always gathering facts about him for the Daily Planet and she was his chief
cheerleader. But it was more than a "The suit comes off?" kind of knowledge
she wanted, she also wanted to cook for him (salad, noodles), to get
domestic for him--to nest with someone who could fly in reality while she
flew metaphorically. She also unconsciously proved herself his equal when
working along side him and in working to the same ends as he did, to fight
crime and to help people (despite her cynical outlook on life).  She may
have wanted to mother Superman; she definitely protected him (from the
Kryptonite secret getting out) and fought for him (squaring off against
Diana Stride).

She also wanted him to know more about her and was startled to find that he
did ("You read my work?") On the other hand, when he wasn't around she
wasn't afraid to put him in his place when it conflicted with a greater
goal ("Leave the truth and justice stuff to Superman!" I think is the
quote).

In summary, she wanted a more full relationship with the slippery fellow
and about the first half of season two it looked like she might get her
wish as Clark was written into the background.

Fortunately for all involved, the ratings floundered and the only solution
was writing Lois as expanding her viewpoint and seeing you-know-who as a
real person, and writing Clark as getting a kickstart from some off-stage
mechanism.  I found that the second half of season two was a very powerful
growth period for Lois and I'll always like that about that period of the
show. Lois grew up then--she was as resourseful as ever but showed the
mature, interesting emotional stability that flighty Clark needed.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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good response!!

Mercedes
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In a message dated 98-07-03 13:39:32 EDT, debby@SWCP.COM writes:

<< I agree that it's fantasy, but in Lois's defense (I liked 1st season Lois
 because she survived all her trials and got stronger >>

I think Lois definitely started to get stronger 2nd sesason, but 1rst season
ened with her switching from almost marrying Lex, to almost confessing
deeper
feelings to Clark, to smirking up at Superman overhead saying "I'm not
finished with you yet either, big fella" (oh I hate that line ;) All that
within the last few minutes of the finale, and she wasn't a clone, didn't
have
amnesia, or a therapist hypnotizing her<g>  She was allegedly in her *right
mind*.  Just too big a trauma I suppose, so let's go to the smaller trauma
that led to the bigger one.  Lois couldn't  have the man (Superman) she
*really* loved, so she was going to marry a man she admitted to not loving,
and she did this because ... well...er, because ... uh ... hmm, let's just
say
it wasn't because she was terribly strong<g>

>>>in Lois's defense,
she had tried "real" guys and found them wanting. She was a hard-working
woman who didn't have time for an ordinary, dull social life.<<<

Actually, I think as Perry said, Lois threw herself into her work like it
was
going to save her.  By her own admission at the time back in first season
she
was a work-aholic. That's not quite the same as 'hard working'.  It created
the perfect dodge when a guy, who could have been a perfectly nice guy (like
Clark maybe ;) showed an interest, she could say "I don't have time for it."
The main flaw in Lois's escapist tactic is that no one was fooled by her
"I'm
too busy" act.  Her zero social life was a running gag.  Lois was not
perceived by co-workers as not having time for a 'dull social life', but
rather Lois *herself* was the one perceived as dull ("Poor, Lois. All work
and
no personality"),  work-centric ("Are you saying I don't know how to have
fun?") and socially inept ("I have dates."  "You have interviews, it's not
the
same thing.")  The good news, of course, is that both Lois and Clark were
socially inept to some degree.  Lois, due to a string of 'federal disaster'
relationships, and Clark due to having zero relationships.  Since IGACOY was
recently brought up, it's a great example of how maybe Lois herself might
easily have created the federal disaster relastionhips.

I mean think about it, right after Clark ruined her cover, threw her in the
garbage and brushed off her anger, she went home, wept into a carton of ice
cream and sobbed "I *am* jealous" boo hoo hoo.  Of what? A guy who had just
treated her so badly?  If she was able to even remotely ascribe affection to
that kind of treatment, then it's easy to see that the *men* weren't the
problem.  It's why when Lois decided to marry Lex, for ... whatever reason,
and took a great deal of humiliation from him,  it came as no surprise.
Mrs.
Cox was draped all over Lex, and she and Lex were obviously keeping secrets
from Lois, but Lois had lost all but the vestiges of her spine by this
point,
and so just 'took' it.  Clark, fortunately, treated Lois worse than Lex in
the
finale, and so naturally Lois started to feel that attraction pendulum swing
towards the worse offender, and thus was thankfully able to say no to Lex at
the altar because her thoughts were all warm and gooey for Clark. It may
have
taken a therapist, but Lois finally had a breakthrough:

"But if I want that kind of man, and I *get* that kind of man, why am I not
happy?"
"You like chocolate, right?"
"How come everybody knows that?"
"But you know it's not good for you, and the older and wiser we get, the
less
tolerance we have for things that aren't good for us."

Lois may have had a history of being attracted to "bad boys", rotters, cads,
users, etc., and so maybe Superman was the first exception to that rule. He
showed her that 'powerful' or 'strong' didn't have to equal negative
personality traits.  That's why I didn't care how many fans screamed that
Lois
was an idiot for loving Superman, or even if the show's creators painted her
love for Superman as wrong, I think loving Superman taught Lois something
valuable, and paved the way for loving Clark. Superman may have been the
only
decent, tender, caring man she'd ever loved up to that point, and so also
allowed her to gradually see that all of those positive traits Clark
possessed, like Superman, made him incredibly strong.

>>>But it was more than a "The suit comes off?"<<

Oh gosh, I hate that line<g>  I know it was just a gag line, but it made
Lois
sound as dumb as Cat when she thought Tsunami was a shrimp and avocado dish
... geez, it seemed like a Scooby-Doo episode where Shaggy would make an
utterly stupid comment and unwittingly end up saving the day<g>

>>>Fortunately for all involved, the ratings floundered and the only
solution
was writing Lois as expanding her viewpoint and seeing you-know-who as a
real person<<<

The reason I will never see just Clark or just Superman as the real person,
or
rather I refuse to just see Superman as nothing more than a disguise, is
because the other night on IRC we were talking about the Superman movies.
In
those movies, Clark saw *Superman* as who he was and Clark Kent was the
*disguiise*.  That was the premise for years and years of the Superman
legend.
If the "just wishing could make it so" policy were applied here, than it's
only because that version of Clark thought of Superman as the *real* guy,
and
*not* because it was the truth.  On  Lois and Clark, that Clark believes
that
Clark Kent is the *real* guy, but could just as easily have decided that
since
Superman represented more of the truth about his powers and alien origins,
then he too could have proclaimed Superman as his *real* persona.   On the
series,  *both* Clark and Superman were disguises. They were both leading
people to believe a lie, or at least leaving out a whole heck of a lot of
the
truth<g>  Essentially Lois was labeled 'wrong' for not picking the preferred
disguise ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (Happy 4th of July Folc, buena suerte ;)
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Hi, I'm posting this to both lists in the hope that it will reach the most
FoLCs.  Please accept my apology if you receive it twice.

I'm cataloguing my Lois & Clark sound bites in preparation for creating a
web-page to make them available to as many of you as are interested.
However, I'm having trouble identifying the episodes where many of them
come from.  Out of 348 wav files, I can tell who is talking in most of
them, but I'm lost as to the origins of 92 of them.  I'll list those 92 by
name and content below.  If you can identify them, please email me!
PRIVATELY! at the address below.  If you want copies of any of the ones
I've listed here, also please email me PRIVATELY!  When the list is
complete, I intend to put them up (or at least their names) on a webpage so
everyone will have access to them! =20

title                   speaker(s)              dialogue
medicate.wav                                    Are you on any type of
medication, ma'am?
woah.wav                                        woah!
beverage.wav            Bobby Bigmouth, Lois    B: Wait a minute, you don't
have any
crackers? No nuts? L: Ice? B: Oh come on, what am I? A beverage?
forever.wav             Clark                   It's not the M word that
makes it forever for me Lois,
my love is forever because, because it just is.
lex.wav                 Clark                   Clark: So, how was your
date? Lois: Very... interesting.
Clark: What does that mean? Lois: Lex wasn't quite=85 himself. Clark: Well
that must have been a welcome change!
moan.wav                Clark                   mmmm! MMMM! <kiss>
NOT.WAV         Clark                   Absolutely not.
ohjoy.wav               Clark                   oh joy
ooh.wav                 Clark                   <intake of breath thru
teeth> oooh!
SMOOTHIE.WAV            Clark                   How about a smoothie? It'll
only take a second
SQUAGGLE.WAV            Clark                   Uh! =85 Oooh! (grunting)
tellme.wav              Clark                   tell me about it.
UPOOPS.WAV              Clark                   Oop-oops! Here he comes!
askdate.wav             Clark, Lois             CK: Lois, I want you to go
out with me! L: What?
You're asking me out? CK: Yeah, you know, like, on a date. LL: A date, you
mean like a real date, where I take out my good perfume, the one that I got
after I saw Love Affair, the good one, not the remake and I put a dab
behind my ear, I don't know why? CK: Yeah, I guess that's what I'm saying.
LL: Well, that's, Well, I, I just, I don't know what to say!"
crazy.wav               Clark, Lois             C: Can I ask you a question?
L: Yes sweetheart? C:
Are you crazy?!
daymetu.wav             Clark, Lois             I kept waiting for this
incredible feeling of
connection, like I was exactly where I belonged, but that's only happened
once in my life. L: When? C: The day I met you.
dontlve.wav             Clark, Lois             C: I'll find him. L: No!
Please don't leave me!
C: Ok, I won't.  I'm here, I'm right here! I'm right here.
fonekiss.wav            Clark, Lois             mmmhmmm<phone rings> oh!
,mmmhmmm
hard.wav                Clark, Lois             C: It's hard. It's just
hard. It's harder than I
ever thought it would be.  L: We can make it work.  I know we can!
kerth3.wav              Clark, Lois             C: Since we already went
ahead and made plans, I
was wondering if you'd like to go to the Kerth awards? L: You mean, as your
date? C: I was gonna go as yours.  L: So you want me to hang on your arm
and smile and tell people how proud I am of the great big reporter man? C:
Sounds good to me!
lampfall.wav            Clark, Lois             C: I - I, oh! Ooh! L: aah!
C; um... L: sorry!
llbest.wav              Clark, Lois             Clark: Ta dum! Lois:  You=85
are the best!
marryme.wav             Clark, Lois             C: Marry me, Lois. Let's not
plan, let's not
wait, let's not let clonemakers, or psycho psychiatrists, or women who
shrink people into little people keep us apart.  Just marry me. L: You
know, that's precisely what I was thinking.
NOPAIN.WAV              Clark, Lois             C: It could be rigorous and
intensive. L: No pain,
no gain.  Whaddaya say we start =85 now?
prioritz.wav            Clark, Lois             Clark: I gotta prioritise.
Besides I think I
should really spend my time on much more important things. Lois: Mmm. But
I'm telling you that this is really important. And see then Superman would
feel all the good. Clark: Superman's feeling really good. Lois: I know he
does. But I'm your wife, and I think you should take it!
steel.wav               Clark, Lois             Clark: Ah, I am Superman.
Lois: Mmmm! The Man of
Steel!
tornado.wav             Clark, Lois             Clark: honey. Lois:That's
amazing! I like it! I
never thought of myself as a honey. What's happening to me. So you got any
other names in mind?  Clark: Sweetheart? Lois: Mm. Clark: Darling. My
little=85 tornado. Lois: Oh, this is disgusting!
so_so.wav               Clark, Lois, Jimmy      Clark: So. Lois: So.  Jimmy:
Am I
interrupting something? Clark: No Lois: No, no.
PEP.WAV         Clark, Lois, Perry, Jimmy       Clark: I just remembered
that I left=85
ah. Lois:  The name of your friend, the mine engineer - Clark: in your car.
I'll be right back.  Perry: That what I like to see around here. Some pep!
Jimmy: Pep's my middle name
FLYBACK.WAV             Clark, Martha           So what are you saying, I
should go crawling
back on my hands and knees? No honey, fly back.  It's faster.
HOWFEEL.WAV             Dr Friskin              And how did that make you
feel?
ouch.wav                Dr Klein                        ouch?
LTLROOM.WAV             Dr Klein, Superman      K: Well there is one last
test I need to
run, it'll only take a moment S: Great, can we do it right now? K: Well,
right, yeah, ok.  Well then , why don't you just step down the hall into
that little room, and we'll=85 we'll go from there.  S: Which little room?
K=
:
That little room, there. S: Just me? K: Just you. S: Alone? K: Alone. S:
What's in the room? K: Nothing's in the room S: Nothing? K: No, alright, a
couple of magazines, S: oh, OK.<pause> I don't understand.  What exactly is
supposed to happen in there? K: Oh god, get me on the plane right now!
SICKO.WAV               Ellen                   Of all the sicko, psycho,
sexual=85
POOF.WAV                HG Wells                Yes, yes, yes quite. If she
did, she would have been
caught in the, ah, poof! The interdimensional vortex.
comin.wav               Jimmy, Lois             Where you going? Nowhere!
I'm comin' too!
yikes.wav               L&C (together)          Yikes (laugh)
hottime.wav             Lex                     There's gonna be a hot time
in the old town tonight
surprise.wav            Lex                     You surprise me Mr Kent. I'm
not often surprised.
throwup.wav             Lex                     I may throw up.
WAR.WAV         Lex                     This is war!
ANYTHING.WAV            Lois                    Do anything you want to me!
barf.wav                        Lois                    Because they make me
wanna barf!
CDUH.WAV                Lois                    Duh!
COFFEE.WAV              Lois                    <gasp> Get your own damn
coffee!
comefrom.wav            Lois                    Where did *that* come from?
dontcare.wav            Lois                    I don't care. Anything's
fine.
DONTSTOP.WAV            Lois                    don't stop!
DREAM.WAV               Lois                    You know, I dreamed of this.
Spending the night in your
arms. First it was Superman I dreamed of, then it was Clark.
duck.wav                Lois                    If something looks like a
duck, walks like a duck and
talks like a duck, chances are pretty good it is a duck.
fair.wav                        Lois                    Gee that's really
fair.
frisked.wav             Lois                    It is horrible the way
they're treating us.  See that
agent over there?  He frisked me, twice!
galactic.wav            Lois                    L: What do you think I am?
Galactically stupid?
goodtime.wav            Lois                    Well, you know how to show a
girl a good time!
hereitcom.wav           Lois                    Oh boy. Here it comes
hlps.wav                Lois                    Help! Superman
kidding.wav             Lois                    Are you kidding me?
losingit.wav            Lois                    I am *this close* to losing
it!
makeit.wav              Lois                    How are we gonna make it
through the day?
MENHOFLY.WAV            Lois                    ahum. I only marry men who
fly.
notgood.wav             Lois                    Oh, that's not good. No, no
no, that's not good either!
OY.WAV                  Lois                    oy!
started.wav             Lois                    Don't get me started
UPGOOD.WAV              Lois                    It's up! It's good!
whata.wav               Lois                    Lois: What a day this has
been! What a rare mood I'm in!
KISS.WAV                Lois, Clark             l&c kissing
kiss3.wav               Lois, Clark             kissing
grtbody.wav             Lois, Clark             L: Is that why you love me?
C: You have a really
great body
kerth5.wav              Lois, Clark             L: So, how did I rate as a
date?  C: Oh, A-Plus.
L: I hung on your arm decoratively. C: You did, L: fawned appropriately, C:
Absolutely. L: and just faded into the background during your big moment.
C: You were beautiful, yet immutable <?> L: Mmm make me go through another
night like that and I'll rip out your spleen! C: Ok, fair enough. <pause>
It's smaller than I thought. L: Not quite as shiny close up.  You know, you
win a few of these, you find out they don't mean as much. Quick rush, a few
pats on the back then you're back on the beat only as good as your next
story.  C: Where do you think I should keep it?  L: I'm the wrong person to
ask, I keep mine in the bottom of the closet.
nitealon.wav            Lois, Clark             L: I love when you do that.
C: Yeah, how about
this?  <kiss> L: I can't imagine how I slept all those nights alone before
us. C: Mmm.
obsess.wav              Lois, Clark             L: You're obsessing.  C:
Well, it bothers me.  I
mean, a bank robber?  L: Clark, nobody's perfect.  OK, scratch that.
You're perfect.
OHHHH.WAV               Lois, Clark             L: mmmm! C: MMMM! <kiss>
oneway.wav              Lois, Clark             L: I hope you don't do
everything that fast!  C:
Hmm there's one way to find out!
soigrin.wav             Lois, Clark             Lois: So what are you
grinning at? Clark: You.
You are brilliant, you are talented, you are gorgeous, and you are my wife.
So I grin. Lois: Well, you're not so bad yourself!
waff.wav                        Lois, Clark             L: I'm really glad
we talked=85 C: Me too. L: You
know, just when I think I know everything there is to know about you, you
take my breath away with something new.  C: Good, because that's exactly
how I feel every single time I see you!
WORTHIT.WAV             Lois, Clark             Lois: So it was worth it
then?  The wait I mean?
Clark: Lois, it was perfect, mmm, better than perfect
anywork.wav             Perry                   Awww does anybody still work
here?
kerth2.wav              Perry                   Allright everybody let's
gather round, listen up.  The
nominations for the Kerth Investigative Journalism Prize are in and I'm
happy to announce that one of our very own has gotten the nod.
kerth4.wav              Perry                   P: Haha! Oh boy, what an
evening!  I'll tell you now I
know exactly how the Colonel felt when Elvis brought home that first gold
record. C: Yeah. P: Clark, I'm so proud of you, I can't see straight!
lcwoohoo                Perry                   Let's give it up for Lois
and Clark! Woo hoo hoo hoo!
nearthat.wav            Perry                   Ooh, I'm just not gonna go
near that.
closet.wav              Perry, Clark            P: When are you coming=85.
Out of the closet? C:
Soon sir!
excite.wav              Superman                Yeah well don't worry,
you're not the only ones in
for some excitement!
Fall.wav                        Superman                Its all right Lois
I've got you
GOTHERE.WAV             Superman                don't go there!
likelighting.wav                Superman                I like the lighting;
makes them look=85 bigger.
strangev.wav            Superman                As I am a strange visitor
from another planet.
supehi.wav              superman                hi.
thereyou.wav            Superman                there you go!
duh.wav                 Tempus                  Duh.
gstupid.wav             Tempus                  Galactically Stupid!
hello!Duh.wav           Tempus                  Hello? Duh!
irony.wav               Tempus                  God! I love irony!
ohplease.wav            Tempus                  Oh please!
sidesplt.wav            Tempus                  Ha, ha, oh Lois, ever the
funster, stop my sides are
splitting
WHATEVER.WAV            Tempus                  whatever
LOL.WAV         Teri & Dean             <laughing>
WV.wav                  villain                 Maybe next time West
Virginia will take more time coming
up with an original name.
NOBODY.WAV              Wanda Detroit           part of Nobody Wants You
when you're down and=
 out.
oldfish.wav             Wanda Detroit           Trouble sticks to me like
stink on an old fish.
WANDAD.WAV              Wanda Detroit           singing Nobody knows you
when you're down and out

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Hello, my name is Kimberly D Janecki Iam new to the fanfic list I just
wanted to tell all of you authors out there that I have enjoyed reading
your stories alot and to keep more of them coming. There is so many on the
Lois and Clark archieves that it's hard to choose which one to read at
times. Which can be hard when your husband or your 11month old son won't
let you have any computer time.
Bye for now,
                           Kimberly D. Janecki
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Test please ignore.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Jul 1998 06:59:21 +1000
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Thanks to everyone who has responded to my cries into the wilderness for
help <G>
The webpages are now up (with no sounds attached - I don't have room for
them!).  Check them out starting at http://www.ozramp.net.au/~jenerate
If you want to check the 5th page, you'll see a vaguely current list of
sounds which I'm still waiting on ID on.  I won't have time to update the
page every day, probably once a week or so at this stage, so don't worry if
your information doesn't show.  Any corrections are also welcome!

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At 06:25 AM 7/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-03 13:39:32 EDT, debby@SWCP.COM writes:
>
><< I agree that it's fantasy, but in Lois's defense (I liked 1st season
Lois
> because she survived all her trials and got stronger >>
>
>I think Lois definitely started to get stronger 2nd sesason, but 1rst
season
>ened with her switching from almost marrying Lex, to almost confessing
deeper
>feelings to Clark, to smirking up at Superman overhead saying "I'm not
>finished with you yet either, big fella" (oh I hate that line ;) All that
>within the last few minutes of the finale, and she wasn't a clone, didn't
have
>amnesia, or a therapist hypnotizing her<g>  She was allegedly in her *right
>mind*.

She was also being written by some guys who had orders to take the show in
a more action/Superman oriented direction. The 2nd half of season 2, IMO,
was her strongest showing, but I still like how, at least until BatP and
HoL, she managed to bounce back from every insult and become a fuller, more
interesting person in the process, despite sometimes mediocre script
writing.

>Just too big a trauma I suppose, so let's go to the smaller trauma
>that led to the bigger one.  Lois couldn't  have the man (Superman) she
>*really* loved, so she was going to marry a man she admitted to not loving,
>and she did this because ... well...er, because ... uh ... hmm, let's just
say
>it wasn't because she was terribly strong<g>

Let's say the writers were ordered to write something to move the series in
the new direction and no one paid any heed to what it did to Lois's
character. Too, Lois already had a history of being blind to some people's
true selves, so it's not surprising that she--and of course 98% of
Metropolis--didn't see Lex for what he really was anymore than they saw his
polar opposite, Superman, as really being Clark Kent.

[snip]

>The good news, of course, is that both Lois and Clark were
>socially inept to some degree.  Lois, due to a string of 'federal disaster'
>relationships, and Clark due to having zero relationships.

Except, of course, with Nigerian princesses. I suspect he had fine
relationships, tons of friends, and a good, even comfortable grasp of a
worldwide variety of social niceties. He simply [sic ;)] couldn't be
entirely himself with anyone but his folks. He couldn't find a place to
settle down and he hoped, in the Pilot, that Metropolis would be that
place. Now, if you mean close, intense, personal, romantic relationships in
which he would reveal all about himself to the subject of his affections, I
agree.

[snip]

>>>>But it was more than a "The suit comes off?"<<
>
>Oh gosh, I hate that line<g>  I know it was just a gag line, but it made
Lois
>sound as dumb as Cat when she thought Tsunami was a shrimp and avocado dish

I thought it was cute and I could relate immediately. There she was, hoping
to help (like she would later help the fellow in "Ides of Metropolis"),
when she was suddenly reminded that she was dealing with *Superman* here,
not just some innocent unfortunate person wrongly accused and persecuted
and in need of her mad-dog style of assistance. Typical Lois: a true hera
without superpowers.

>... geez, it seemed like a Scooby-Doo episode where Shaggy would make an
>utterly stupid comment and unwittingly end up saving the day<g>

I strongly dislike cartoons with ugly dogs who are smarter than their ugly
human counterparts. Five minutes of that series was more than enough for me.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
Bugs Bunny and Duckman
are more my speed :)
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In a message dated 98-07-05 21:20:37 EDT, you write:

<< She was also being written by some guys who had orders to take the show
in
 a more action/Superman oriented direction. The 2nd half of season 2, IMO,
 was her strongest showing >>

If you're saying the 2nd season writers wrote Lois better than 1rst
season..well ;)  2nd season introduced John McNamara, probably the best
writer
the show had of any season in an 'over all' sense simply because he could
write an interesting plot and great characterization on a par with Bryce
Zabel, but also had a truly wicked sense of humor, but DJL and her brother
Dan
wrote the 1rst season finale, and so it's not like we're talking "one-shot"
writers here who didn't know the characters.

>>>>but I still like how, at least until BatP and
HoL, she managed to bounce back from every insult and become a fuller, more
interesting person in the process, despite sometimes mediocre script
writing.<<<

I agree, since the episodes weren't connected to each other 1rst season, it
was easy for Lois to 'bounce back' as if nothing ever happened, because
well,
it was almost as if nothing ever did<g>

>>>
Let's say the writers were ordered to write something to move the series in
the new direction and no one paid any heed to what it did to Lois's
character. <<<<

I'd hate to think DJL of all people would have "paid no heed to what it did
to
Lois's character"

>>>Too, Lois already had a history of being blind to some people's
true selves, so it's not surprising that she--and of course 98% of
Metropolis--didn't see Lex for what he really was anymore than they saw his
polar opposite, Superman, as really being Clark Kent.<<<

This has nothing to do with Lois being blind to who/what Lex really was. As
you said, everyone in Metropolis thought that Lex was a 'darn nice guy' and
that Clark and Superman were two separate people.  The issue for me is
*why*?
Why did Lois almost marry Lex? A man she admitted she didn't love.  I could
see her being hurt by the way Clark as Superman treated her, but did that
mean
she *had* to get married to *anyone* at that moment???  I mean even if she
were temporarily traumatized by the rejection from Superman (assuming he was
her only linchpin left after the Planet went 'kaboom' ;) we're talking about
some serious time passing between saying "yes, Lex, I'll marry you" to
turning
him down at the altar (and only because images of yet another man spared her
the fate)  Why did she decide to marry Lex?  Her horoscope said "today is
the
day to accept a proposal from a billionaire"?  She was ready to retire from
reporting and might as well have a wealthy meal ticket?  Oh yeah, I forgot,
it's so that the initials on Lex Lulthor's monogrammed stuff wouldn't have
to
be duplicated, they could just ... share ;)

>>>Except, of course, with Nigerian princesses. I suspect he had fine
relationships, tons of friends, and a good, even comfortable grasp of a
worldwide variety of social niceties.<<<

Which are all swell, but all *very* different from a close, loving
*romantic*
relationships with someone, and that's what the issue is.  He had no
experience in that field by his own admission, so he and Lois were both
'dancing in the dark' but at least they started dancing there together<g>

>>>Now, if you mean close, intense, personal, romantic relationships in
which he would reveal all about himself to the subject of his affections, I
agree.<<<

Why, yes indeedy, I was ;)

>>>I thought it was cute and I could relate immediately. <<<

Believe me, I know most people thought the line was "cute" or funny, but I'd
hate to think Lois would be that stupid, or maybe she thought that was the
natural coloration of Kryptonian males, and when they molt, they have that
hot, tight, black suit ;)

>>Typical Lois: a true hera
without superpowers.<<<

Uh huh, and as thick as a brick<g>

>>>>I strongly dislike cartoons with ugly dogs who are smarter than their
ugly
human counterparts. Five minutes of that series was more than enough for me.
<<<

You thought ole Scooby and Shaggy were ugly?  Aw, I thought they were kind
of
cute..*and* thick as bricks<g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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---The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM> wrote:
> The reason I will never see just Clark or just Superman as the real
person, or
> rather I refuse to just see Superman as nothing more than a
disguise, is
> because the other night on IRC we were talking about the Superman
movies.  In
> those movies, Clark saw *Superman* as who he was and Clark Kent was
the
> *disguiise*.  That was the premise for years and years of the
Superman legend.
> If the "just wishing could make it so" policy were applied here,
than it's
> only because that version of Clark thought of Superman as the *real*
guy, and
> *not* because it was the truth.  On  Lois and Clark, that Clark
believes that
> Clark Kent is the *real* guy, but could just as easily have decided
that since
> Superman represented more of the truth about his powers and alien
origins,
> then he too could have proclaimed Superman as his *real* persona.
On the
> series,  *both* Clark and Superman were disguises. They were both
leading
> people to believe a lie, or at least leaving out a whole heck of a
lot of the
> truth<g>  Essentially Lois was labeled 'wrong' for not picking the
preferred
> disguise ;)

I tend to disagree with these entire arguments.  Pre 1986, it was
known that Clark Kent was a nerd and a klutz (to the extent that is
was) from the movies and the comics series, because that was how it
was in the beginning in the comics (the bible of Superman information
if you will, since that is where he began, and continues to be even
after a really stupid movie, and a reneged TV series).

Now, in 1986, a man by the name of John Byrne changed all that.  He
wrote a 6 issue (episode) mini-series entitled "The Man of Steel".  In
this series, Mr. Byrne rewrote the legend of Superman, and how he came
to be among us, etc.  After this series, every comic book that wrote
about Superman used this new concept to show Superman.  (IE Clark is
real, and Supes is a disguise.)

When the writers (and their many faults) began and continued writing
the LnC episodes, they used this fully accepted format for the basis
of their stories.

So Clark is real and Superman is the disguise.
**Period**

Clark Kent is not a disguise.  Clark Kent is Clark Kent.  He is an
alien sent to Earth as an infant, raised by what is probably the best
set of parents in the history of parents (Let's face it, if all of us
had Jonathon and Martha as parents, this world would truly be
incredible, but I digress.)

He does not pretend to be a different person, or to hide his
Kryptonian heritage.  He is *Kryptonian*.  *Period*.

Every look he makes, every way he says things, every fiber in his
being is Kryptonian.  All he does is *refrain*, not hide, not pretend,
but *refrain* from using his more obvious bits of Kryptonian heritage
in front of other people.  (Even this is an exception to the rule,
because in the series, he used his superhearing, his x-ray vision, his
heat vision, his superspeed, his flight while Clark Kent, and, for
that matter, even in front of others at times.)

In both the comics, and the series, 'Superman' is the *disguise* if
you will, but even that is inaccurate, because 'Superman' is Clark
Kent, in gaudy clothing, *refraining* from using *least* obvious bits
of his Kryptonian heritage (his personality, his laugh, his sparkling
eyes, his mirth, etc; and there were several occasions (especially in
the series) where 'Clark' showed through even in the 'get-up').

Now, is it wrong for Lois to love Superman and ignore Clark, even
though they are the same person.  Depends on what she fell in love with.

If your working from the Love at First Sight theory, then no.

Test this, and then we can argue about it later!

Lois falls in love with Clark Kent before she ever met Superman.  Lois
was a person who was strict in her work, didn't trust anyone, and had
'interviews', not dates.

Within hours of meeting Clark Kent, she is shocked by what he looks
like ("It's nine o'clock, I thought you'd be naked, er ready!), allows
herself to be consoled by him (when the find the dead body of Dr
Platt), and even conveys some of her deepest secrets and fears (when
they are captured by Dr Baines).

However, like most of us mere mortals, she listens to her head and not
her heart (or she just lets her fears overrule her true feelings).
She tells Clark "Don't fall for me farmboy, I don't have time for it!"
 Not "I don't like you," or "Your not my type," but "I don't have time
for it."

This says to me that her heart has thought about it, but her head says
it doesn't fit into her scheme of what she wants in her life, or what
she wants her life to be (even though she truly doesn't know!)

So she falls in love with a Kryptonian being who refrains from using
his more obvious bits of his heritage.  However, she is scared to
death of how to deal with it, so she ignores it, pretends the feelings
don't exist, and continues with her life.

Next, she meets 'Superman'.  And she experiences Love at first sight!
Why!  2 reasons!

She falls in love with a Kryptonian being who refrains from using his
least obvious bits of his heritage.

She falls in love with someone she feels comfortable with, like she
has already met him.

What she doesn't recognize is that she already has met him.  Does this
in anyway change her feelings of falling in love with Clark. No.  They
are still there.  They are what she is feeling, only now, she can't
ignore them, and better yet, doesn't want to ignore them.  She just
lets her judgement be clouded by the Kryptonian who keeps switching
which bits of his heritage he is refraining from using.

At least, that's my $218.02 worth!!!

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At 09:26 AM 7/6/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>However, like most of us mere mortals, she listens to her head and not
>her heart (or she just lets her fears overrule her true feelings).
>She tells Clark "Don't fall for me farmboy, I don't have time for it!"
> Not "I don't like you," or "Your not my type," but "I don't have time
>for it."
>
I think this is even more significant, when you consider this exchange
from P,ML:

LOIS:   I don't get it, I mean Dr Freedman said that it should only work
if you're already physically attracted to the person and then it just
overrides your normal restraints.
CLARK:  Right. There has to be some animal magnetism there to begin with.
All this substance does is inhibit that part of the brain which acts as
an intellectual defense mechanism, leaving that person helpless to control
themselves.
LOIS:   But that would mean that I found you... Clark, you were sprayed,
how come you didn't fall for me?
CLARK:  Guess I'm just not attracted to you Lois.
LOIS:   Liar! You are so attracted to me!
CLARK:  I Guess not.
LOIS:   Guess so!
CLARK:  Guess not!
LOIS:   Guess so!
CLARK:  Can we get back to the story now please?
LOIS:   Fine by me!

Hmm...all that's missing is for Clark to pull on Lois' hair...

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In a message dated 98-07-06 12:27:32 EDT, you write:

>>>I tend to disagree with these entire arguments.  Pre 1986, it was
known that Clark Kent was a nerd and a klutz (to the extent that is
was) from the movies and the comics series, because that was how it
was in the beginning in the comics (the bible of Superman information
if you will, since that is where he began, and continues to be even
after a really stupid movie, and a reneged TV series).<<<<<

'Clark Kent' *was* seen as a disguise.  This is established in the very
*first* appearance of Superman in Action comics from 1938.  Lois is being
pushed around by a gangster at a dance. Then here's the telling line
"Reluctantly Kent adheres to his *role* as a weakling"  He is playing the
Clark Kent persona as a *role*, and he wears glasses so we won't look so
much
like Superman, and *that* is a disguise. The gangster wants to dance with
Lois, but she doesn't want to dance with him. Clark, who was her *date*, not
only doesn't help her with the gangster, he says "Be reasonable, Lois.
Dance
with the fellow and then we'll leave right away."   Lois says to Clark, "You
can stay and dance with him if you wish, but I'm leaving now!"  The gangster
says to Lois, "Yeah? You'll dance with me and *like* it."  Lois smacks the
gangster's face.  *Mentally* Clark says 'Good for you, Lois!'  but *aloud*
he
says "Lois--don't!"   Later Lois sums up her feelings for Clark in that
first
issue "You asked me earlier in the evening why I avoid you. I'll tell you
why
now!  Because you're a spineless, unbearable *coward*!"  What am I missing
here?  Sounds like Clark is a disguise to me from the beginning.

<< He does not pretend to be a different person, or to hide his
 Kryptonian heritage.  He is *Kryptonian*.  *Period*. >>

Ya mean if someone walked up to old Clarkie boy and said "hey, are you a
Kryptonian?"  He'd say "Why yes I am, and thanks for noticing"<g>  You *bet*
as Clark Kent he was hiding it.

>>>Now, in 1986, a man by the name of John Byrne changed all that.  He
wrote a 6 issue (episode) mini-series entitled "The Man of Steel".  In
this series, Mr. Byrne rewrote the legend of Superman, and how he came
to be among us, etc.  After this series, every comic book that wrote
about Superman used this new concept to show Superman.  (IE Clark is
real, and Supes is a disguise.)<<<

Yup, I have every single issue from 1986 to the present.  I was glad Byrne
established this, however, as long as he picked up some glasses he didn't
need
so that he would look different from Superman, it's still a disguise at
least
on a visual level, and making people believe he's human when he's not
(talking
physically here) then he's a disguise as Clark Kent too.

>>>So Clark is real and Superman is the disguise.
**Period**<<<<

Hardly.  They are *both* not the truth, and therefore they are *both*
disguises to one extent or another.  Clark may identify more with 'Clark
Kent', and he should, since that's the name he grew up with and he did try
and
*hide*  the truth and that's why he couldn't get really close to anyone
until
Lois.  But *that's* the truth ...****period****<g>

>>>Clark Kent is not a disguise.  Clark Kent is Clark Kent.  He is an
alien sent to Earth as an infant, raised by what is probably the best
set of parents in the history of parents (Let's face it, if all of us
had Jonathon and Martha as parents, this world would truly be
incredible, but I digress.)<<<<

Do you see the contradiction here?  First you say "Clark Kent is not a
disguise. Clark Kent is Clark Kent..."  then go on to say that he's an
*alien*.   Do people know that Clark is an alien? Do they even *suspect*
he's
an alien? Does he tell people he's an alien?  Don't people *believe* him to
be
just as *human* as they are? Just as vulnerable?  That he's from..I don't
know...*Earth*!?<g>  If you're talking about how he *perceives* himself,
that's swell.  He was raised by humans, went to school with humans and is in
love with a human and so I'm sure that he's quite human psychologically just
like the men we've seen on talkshows who say they feel like they're trapped
in
a male body but have always felt like a woman psychologically. However, one
thing that does make people angry on those talkshows is when a transexual
allowed a man to fall in love with 'her' and neglected to tell that person
that physically 'she' spent most of 'her' life as a *man*.

I don't doubt for a moment that transexuals genuinely do believe they're
trapped in the body of the wrong gender, no more than I doubt that Clark
believes that he is a 'regular guy' from Kansas. What we believe of
ourselves
psychologically is more or less who we are (to ourselves anyway) despite the
physical evidence to the contrary. If a guy is in a home for the 'reality
challenged' believing he's Napoleon, despite the fact that Napoleon is long
dead, it doesn't matter.  To that person, he *is* Napoleon no matter who
else
believes him. Who knows, maybe he's a reincarnation ;)  So if you're saying
that Clark psychologically is Clark Kent, I'd never disagree.  It's part of
the whole charm to me.  I watched 'The Mask' last night (a collective groan
from the Jim Carrey haters rises ;)  The mask in the title is from Loki of
Scandinavian myth who was into mischief and being a trickster.  Donning the
mask brought hidden or suppressed character traits to the surface. When
Ipkiss
(Carrey's character) speaks to a psychologist who wrote a book about the
metaphorical masks people wear, he asks the doctor if he should meet with a
woman he's falling in love with wearing the mask, or should he just go as
himself.  The doctor tells him to do both, because they both represented
everything he really is/was.

>>>Every look he makes, every way he says things, every fiber in his
being is Kryptonian.  All he does is *refrain*, not hide, not pretend,
but *refrain* from using his more obvious bits of Kryptonian heritage
in front of other people.  (Even this is an exception to the rule,
because in the series, he used his superhearing, his x-ray vision, his
heat vision, his superspeed, his flight while Clark Kent, and, for
that matter, even in front of others at times.)<<<<

Ah, so 'refraining' is the word for Clark "hiding" who/what he is or can
do?<g> Actually, Clark called it "controlling himself" but we'll go with
'refraining' if you like.  The things he did with his super powers whether
dressed as Superman or Clark Kent seemed to define whether or not he was in
a
'refraining' frame of mind, no? ;) Even as Superman he had such power that
he
could have killed any human with little effort, buy "that's not how I work".
He wasn't into killing, and so he wasn't so much 'refraining' as he was
being
Clark Kent, or being Superman a person who does not believe in killing as an
option.  A person of great power who wouldn't use it to pretend to be a god,
or to force people to worship or pay him tribute, or to mine his own gold
and
diamonds (though if Lois had mentioned 'the world's biggest diamond' instead
of the 'perfect pearl from Japan' then he might have mined it for *her*  but
thankfully Lois didn't want him to do that)  The point is, if someone asked
Clark Kent point blank if he was from Krypton would he tell the truth, or
would he ... refrain? ;)

>>In both the comics, and the series, 'Superman' is the *disguise* if
you will, but even that is inaccurate, because 'Superman' is Clark
Kent, in gaudy clothing, *refraining* from using *least* obvious bits
of his Kryptonian heritage (his personality, his laugh, his sparkling
eyes, his mirth, etc; and there were several occasions (especially in
the series) where 'Clark' showed through even in the 'get-up').<<<<

No, in both the comics and the series Clark, as Lois astutely pointed out,
led
people to believe he was *two* separate people, and he did that by
lying...er
I mean by 'refraining'  or declining to tell the truth. If you looked like a
famous movie star and someone mistook you for that movie star, would you
tell
that person right away they were mistaken, or would you lead them to believe
you really were that movie star by 'refraining' from telling them the truth?
Your response will depend on how you view yourself, or how honest you are.
If
you don't think of yourself as that movie star and you're not into lying,
you'd have no problem saying "No, I'm not that guy"  On the other hand, if
you
truly believe that's who you are, you wouldn't be lying or refraining by
leading the person to believe you're that movie star, because you're just
being who you believe yourself to be, just as Clark believes himself to be
that regular guy from Kansas.  It may be delusional, but at least it
wouldn't
be lying ;)

We can also take the reverse tactic.  You *are* a famous movie star, but you
don't want to be loved for being a movie star, so when you're not doing a
movie, you don glasses you don't need and paste on a mustache and bag
groceries at the AP hoping you'll be loved for *who* you are as a person and
not some glammed up movie idol.  Sigh, doesn't that sound like it has the
makings for a made-for-TV romantic comedy?<g> The problem is, as would come
out in the movie, is that the movie star isn't really a boxboy and unlike
his
co-workers, he's not living from paycheck to paycheck and even if his
'disguise' went so far as to have him paying for a crummy apartment and
leasing a lemon of a car, none of it is permanent.  He doesn't even have to
think in those terms, or dream of one day being the manager in the deli
section.  If he lost his boxboy job, his apartment burned down, and his car
threw a rod through the oil pan and needed hundreds of dollars of engine
repair, so what?  He's got millions of dollars and doesn't have to worry
about
it at all, and because he doesn't, then his 'boxyboy' disguise is no more
than
that, a disguise that has no substance behind it whatsoever.  At least with
Clark, even if his 'regular guy' from Kansas persona, he at least *believed*
that's who he was, so he was a few strides ahead of the boxboy movie star<g>

>>>What she doesn't recognize is that she already has met him.  Does this
in anyway change her feelings of falling in love with Clark. No.  They
are still there.  They are what she is feeling, only now, she can't
ignore them, and better yet, doesn't want to ignore them.  She just
lets her judgement be clouded by the Kryptonian who keeps switching
which bits of his heritage he is refraining from using.<<<

I knew Clark's 'refraining' and or 'lying' would end up being Lois's fault
when I got to the end of this<g>  Wasn't it the Kryptonian the one who was
doing the "clouding"???  Oy<g> She loved Superman, but no, that wasn't
permitted because Clark didn't reeeally believe that's who he was, so, she
falls in love with Clark, but guest what, Lois finds out *that's* not who he
reeeeally is either<g> She had to learn to love the *truth* and the truth is
a
guy I'll call Clarkent (not a typo ;) He's the guy who psychologically
believes himself to be a regular guy from Kansas but who can also make love
to
Lois on the ceiling or in midair and then make instant coffee for them
afterward with his heat vision!   Clarkent is the Clark that only Lois
knows,
even his parents don't know this guy.  He's stronger than than the Clark
they
raised (though they raised him to be strong and confident, this version
outshines that one) because he has somoene who loves him for all that he is
and for all he believes himself to be, and Lois had to learn to love all
that
he is, it wasn't a *given* as parenthood often is when it comes to that kind
of love and acceptance.  Believe me, as great as it would be to love
Clarkent,
Lois paid her dues and it's only fair she gets the credit.

>>>At least, that's my $218.02 worth!!!<<<<<

Zoomway@aol.com (is who I am, but excessively long posts is what I can do ;)
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>In a message dated 98-07-06 12:27:32 EDT, you write:
>
>>>>I tend to disagree with these entire arguments.  Pre 1986, it was
>known that Clark Kent was a nerd and a klutz (to the extent that is
>was) from the movies and the comics series, because that was how it
>was in the beginning in the comics (the bible of Superman information
>if you will, since that is where he began, and continues to be even
>after a really stupid movie, and a reneged TV series).<<<<<
>
>'Clark Kent' *was* seen as a disguise.  This is established in the very
>*first* appearance of Superman in Action comics from 1938.  Lois is being
>pushed around by a gangster at a dance. Then here's the telling line
>"Reluctantly Kent adheres to his *role* as a weakling"  He is playing the
>Clark Kent persona as a *role*, and he wears glasses so we won't look so
much
>like Superman, and *that* is a disguise. The gangster wants to dance with
>Lois, but she doesn't want to dance with him. Clark, who was her *date*,
not
>only doesn't help her with the gangster, he says "Be reasonable, Lois.
Dance
>with the fellow and then we'll leave right away."   Lois says to Clark,
"You
>can stay and dance with him if you wish, but I'm leaving now!"  The
gangster
>says to Lois, "Yeah? You'll dance with me and *like* it."  Lois smacks the
>gangster's face.  *Mentally* Clark says 'Good for you, Lois!'  but *aloud*
he
>says "Lois--don't!"   Later Lois sums up her feelings for Clark in that
first
>issue "You asked me earlier in the evening why I avoid you. I'll tell you
why
>now!  Because you're a spineless, unbearable *coward*!"  What am I missing
>here?  Sounds like Clark is a disguise to me from the beginning.
>
><< He does not pretend to be a different person, or to hide his
> Kryptonian heritage.  He is *Kryptonian*.  *Period*. >>
>
>Ya mean if someone walked up to old Clarkie boy and said "hey, are you a
>Kryptonian?"  He'd say "Why yes I am, and thanks for noticing"<g>  You
*bet*
>as Clark Kent he was hiding it.
>
>>>>Now, in 1986, a man by the name of John Byrne changed all that.  He
>wrote a 6 issue (episode) mini-series entitled "The Man of Steel".  In
>this series, Mr. Byrne rewrote the legend of Superman, and how he came
>to be among us, etc.  After this series, every comic book that wrote
>about Superman used this new concept to show Superman.  (IE Clark is
>real, and Supes is a disguise.)<<<
>
>Yup, I have every single issue from 1986 to the present.  I was glad Byrne
>established this, however, as long as he picked up some glasses he didn't
need
>so that he would look different from Superman, it's still a disguise at
least
>on a visual level, and making people believe he's human when he's not
(talking
>physically here) then he's a disguise as Clark Kent too.
>
>>>>So Clark is real and Superman is the disguise.
>**Period**<<<<
>
>Hardly.  They are *both* not the truth, and therefore they are *both*
>disguises to one extent or another.  Clark may identify more with 'Clark
>Kent', and he should, since that's the name he grew up with and he did try
and
>*hide*  the truth and that's why he couldn't get really close to anyone
until
>Lois.  But *that's* the truth ...****period****<g>
>
>>>>Clark Kent is not a disguise.  Clark Kent is Clark Kent.  He is an
>alien sent to Earth as an infant, raised by what is probably the best
>set of parents in the history of parents (Let's face it, if all of us
>had Jonathon and Martha as parents, this world would truly be
>incredible, but I digress.)<<<<

You're both only seeing things in black and white while the world is in
shades of grey.  Even in the early comics, Clark Kent was a klutz only
because he had to prevent people from associating him with Superman.  Jim
Byrne created a "cooler" Clark Kent who could be an athlete and brave but
still was able to hide his superhero identity.  The "real" person is, of
course, Clark Kent.  Kryptonian or not, that's who he was raised as.  That's
the person who's value system he has.  He lived his whole life as Clark and
found these amazing abilities thrust upon him.  Still trying to maintain as
normal a life as possible, he also has to find a way to use his powers to
help the world.  Hence the creation of Superman.

Superman is a costume Clark can put on and be able to do good while still
maintaining his privacy.  Granted, his powers are as much a part of him as
you or me walking is a part of us, but while he can use his powers and still
be Clark, the Superman persona must be used in public to avoid exposure.

But neither identity is the total of his being.  Due to the nature of his
life, he can't be entirely open in either identity.  If we take Lois and
Clark as - at least - part of the Superman bible, then the real man is a
superpowered Clark Kent using his powers in everyday life to paint a room in
10 seconds or read a 500 page novel in the same time.  Since, however, he'd
have zero privacy if he lived that way openly, Clark has to separate his
actions to private expediencies and public superfeats (as Superman.)  Both
identities are real (though Clark's was the original) and both serve as a
cover for the other.  As Superman, Clark can do the good for the world he
feels driven to do.  As Clark, Superman can find peace and relative
anonymity - and love.

Paul
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>
>Clark Kent is not a disguise.  Clark Kent is Clark Kent.  He is an
>alien sent to Earth as an infant, raised by what is probably the best
>set of parents in the history of parents (Let's face it, if all of us
>had Jonathon and Martha as parents, this world would truly be
>incredible, but I digress.)
>

Hey Christopher,

A fresh insight into an overworked, rather repetitive thread :) Thanks. I
agree with your Lois falling in love with Clark and then Superman ... but
then I pull from Zoomie's post in that she stayed in love with and married
the whole enchilada :)

Anyway, I wanted to make a comment about the paragraph above ... If we all
have Jonathon and Martha as parents .. would the world be truly
incredible??? Or would, perhaps, would the world's denizens be going into a
fit of sulks every time something didn't go their way! *grin*

I'm just kidding -- please do *not* reply to this idea seriously :)

Leanne
(coming soon -- a real, live fanfic thread --- as opposed to a LOISCLA
thread like this one)

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Hi FOLCs,

I'm back home and using my regular ISP and return address.  Mike and I
had a great time in DC, and especially enjoyed getting together with
Genevieve, Sandy, Craig and Michelle to discuss (what else? <g>)
fanfic.  Thanks for being such a good hostess, Genevieve!

I'm taking a break in reading the 468 posts that accumulated while I was
gone, to add to Crystal's comments on Deathfic.

Crystal Wimmer wrote:
><snipped first part of Crystal's post... As for the fics where Lois loses
Clark > (either on New Krypton or to
> Kryptonite)... I see her character as going back into the painful, lonely
> existance that she had before she found Clark, and I don't see much to
write
> about there.
>
> I know in our enormous wealth of fanfic authors out there that there must
be
> good stories written regarding these situations, and I'm sure I just
haven't
> run across them yet.

Like Crystal, I've never been much of a fan of the deathfic genre.  IMO,
for
every insightful, well-written, sensitive exploration of the issue, I've
found
at least three stories who's authors have used either Lois or Clark's
death
as an easy way to create drama and manipulate the readers' emotions.  (I
suppose all of us who write fanfic attempt to manipulate the reader's
emotions,
in one way or another; I just find exploiting the death of one of the
main
characters for that purpose to be unimaginative, and usually pretty
depressing.)

Now, after having expressed a very negative view of deathfics, I'll
mention that
there are a few that I've found to be creative, thoughtful, and
emotionally
satisfying.  One deathfic that particularly impressed me was "Three
Grandmothers,"
written, I believe, by Piper (if I'm wrong on this, I hope that both
Piper and
the actual author will forgive me) Commenting on what I like about this
particular
treatment of the topic will give away the plot of the story, so those
readers
who like to be surprised should stop reading now.

The story deals with Lois's life after Clark fails to return from New
Krypton.
Lois, with help and support from the Kents, attempts to deal with
Clark's loss
in a positive and life-affirming way.  Rather than going back to the
"...painful, lonely existence" she had prior to meeting Clark, she
allows herself to love again.  Lois's relationship with Clark has helped
her to grow into a more loving, open person; hurt, but willing to take
another chance on love.  I think that's what
I like most about this story--there is a positive, upbeat ending to a
very sad situation.  While Clark is to lost to Lois (and to the
universe) the universe is a better place and Lois a better, happier,
more-loving person, for having been touched by his love and caring.

The author's characterizations are very on-target, which is probably
essential
to working successfully in this genre.  She also managed to avoid the
temptation to wallow in angst; another pitfall that writers in this
genre
can very easily fall prey to.

Okay, that's about all of the posting I have time for this week; (lucky
you!)
back to the 467 e-mails still in my in-box <sigh>

Pat
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Now, one of the things that came up whilst we were editing each others
episodes in S5, was the use of punctuation: to comma or not to comma (or
hyphen or semi-colon)? That was frequently the question.

While hunting for an old fanfic outline for The Big Valley (don't ask, I
still haven't found it) I came across this article by Kenneth Tynan, who
may be familiar to some of you as a great English critic (etc...) This was
originally printed in Punch in 1953, but it turned up in my then local
paper about 10 years ago.

words bracketed in * are italicized

********

"Lost words without dots and dashes" By Keneth Tynan

Punctuation is more powerful than we think. It can help you to make friends
and influence people. What follows is a preliminary guide, designed to show
how a working knowledge of dots and dashes can disguise almost any lameness
of brain and make it look as stylish as all get out.

* The Exclamation mark. Unfashionably nowadays [my note: obviously IRC
wasn't around then], the E. Mark can still occasionally do good service by
infusing a shot of bright astonishment into the greyest platitudes. "Aha,"
by itself, is dull news; but by adding an E. Marl ("Aha!") you evoke a
circle of raised eyebrows and a whole penumbra of fascinated incredulity.
The margins of borrowed books are true E. Mark territory. "!" is the
correct comment on hanging participles in the ntest. Resever "!!" for such
statements as "Shelley was the first anarchist" or "I never finished *War
and Peace*".

* The Question Mark. Two principal usages: (a) to build up suspense.
Variations of this are in frequent journalistic us, hopefully following up
a limp and quite pointless anecdote: "The little boy's name? Mahatma
Gandhi." (b) More advanced, the rhetorical question which the writer
himself cannot be bothered to answer. Example: "Who will deny that
Bankhead's Camille outshone Bernhardt's?"

* The Semi-Colon. Here we arrive at the prize-winning supporting crutch of
English prose. The semi-colon remains a boon to the weary; a hammock in
which any sick sentence (this one, for instance) can convalesce and start
afresh. It enables yuo to snuff out a statement and begin again without
recapitulation or apology; for example, "Everything he did stripped
strength of its arrogance; his pride foreswore cruelty; it mingled iron
will with mercy; he had, it might be said, compassion." Four sentences for
the price and sense of one and a splendid tribute to the semi-colon's
genius for extending a half-thought into a paragraph.

* The Comma. Particularly helpful to novelists working against time. For
example: "Nobody noticed she was there, and nobody stared at her, and
nobody laughed, but everyone senseed her, sense her special chill, and felt
a pang, and everyone shifted a little, and changed the subject, and was
suddenly ashamed." Here the comma has come to the rescue with a posse, like
the cavalry at the end of a western.

Note: The difference between the comma and the semi-colon is Pride.

* The Three Dots (...). Another haven for the tired novelist. If, having
begun to write a novel, you keep falling askeep at the foot of page six,
simply add three dots and sell it as a short story. The dots will have
given you "mood" and "an indefinable flavour of your own".

* Quotes. These are unrivalled as receptacles for (a) opinions you are
chary of admitting to, and (b) little epigrams of your won whose brilliance
genuinely frightens you, since they stand out like obelisks from the desert
of your normal style. But quotes demand toil. Their use involves the
invention of fictional characters. Any writer of profiles will testify,
however, that the results are well worth the labour, for example: "Several
critics pointed out that Rokesby's style would be imnproved if he borrowed
from the best writers, instead of the second-raters. At a cocktail party
given in his honour a jaded voice was heard to remark: 'Rokesby? He's just
a wagonload of manques!'" You will note, as a point of technique, that the
author had to get his mouthpiece a little sloshed to get that one off.

* Parentheses. In expert hands these are identical with quotes. Use them as
a shroud of unsupported opinions you want to throw in without being
challenged. For example: "His much underrated speech at Toronto (superior
in many respects to the Gettysburg Address) caused a sensation in what was
then a prairie township."

* Italics. Never fail to act like a tonic on a moribund paragraph.
Italicise any word (any word) in the last sentence, and your worries are
over. What had been numb with inanity will look fresh and sensitive. To
take a complex instance: "Wordsworth was not only a good poet, but also --
and in a very real sense -- a *good* poet."

* The Hypen. Seen at its best in such triumphantly cryptic phrases as "the
new-old sophistication of baroque" or "the curious classical-romantic
quality of Fiesole". (If queried, explain that you didn't have space enough
to develop the idea).

* The Capital Letter. Old friends are best: this still comes in handy for
the writer wishing to imply enormous respect for certain jumbo-size
abstractions (Death, Nation, Dark Gods) which he would prefer not to
define. Here is an opportunity well taken: "The poet's task is to
disentangle the frail, perishable sinews of Beauty, and to plait them into
the durable vine that is called Art." In a limited edition you may even get
away with "Poet".

Note: the difference between pride and Pride is pride.

That seems to cover most of the ground. Quite intentionally, I have left
one gaping omission. It concerns the least versatile symbol of all. There
is no joy in discussing the single, unalterable function of the full stop.

FINIS

Leanne
PS. I hope y'all caught the sly humour :)

Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com)
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Not so much a response as a comment on this debate - particularly the last
couple that managed to get through - finally <g>

In a message dated 98-07-04 06:26:42 EDT, Zoomway writes:

<<  On the
 series,  *both* Clark and Superman were disguises. They were both leading
 people to believe a lie, or at least leaving out a whole heck of a lot of
the
 truth<g>   >>

After about a million words (well, okay, maybe not a million but "a lot"
<g>), this seems to me to be the essence of why the show worked for me for
four years and continues to provide food for thought <g> - while the comics
seem to keep repeating themselves and the movies fell apart, for me, in the
middle of Superman II (I *really* dislike that movie <g>).

The seed of the idea that "Superman" is an inextricable mix of the alien
Kal-El and the Kansas farmboy is present in the very earliest strips, but
not really faced.  In the early stories, there was no interest in pondering
the psychology of the superhero. He was a tough, rather down-to-earth ;)
vigilante who saw a problem and fixed it with absolutely no doubt or
hesitation.

Later (after WWII destroyed our innocence, according to Mark Waid - he
could be right <g>Superman could no longer be so unthinkingly hands-on), he
was an alien demi-god who walked among us but yearned for his lost planet.
When the goofiness got too much for even the comic book audience, he
morphed again and he became self-appointed policeman of the galaxy, who
also worked as a journalist and occasionally took a moment out of his busy
schedule to go out on a date.

There are other wrinkles in the story - 60 years is a long time and a lot
of writers have tackled the character.  Throughout them all, he *pretended*
to be a regular guy. Sometimes he seemed to be sort of laughing up his
spandex sleeve ("Ah, if they only knew..."); other times he was the 'man
who has everything' and nothing, the tragic hero of that Fitzgerald quote
that Zoom is fond of ;). The Clark Kent persona varied to a greater or
lesser degree as often as the Superman half, but always, always, he was
split.

Sometimes the importance of being grounded by his human upbringing was
given more emphasis by writers.  It was the source of his moral code and
his reason for being so devoted to the Earthlings he protected.  Very nice,
but what condescension.  Despite this affection for Earth, the idea that he
might ever have a genuine personal life always seemed to run up against the
difficulty in dealing with his 'true' nature and his job as defender of the
planet.  The writers would get so close and then back off, going for the
noble sacrifice. I love you, Lois, too much to commit to you.  Uh-huh. ;)

In Superman II (which was written and shot at the same time and by the same
people as the first Superman movie), he loves his parents and values their
teachings, but once he learns about his origins, his 'Clarkness' is nothing
but a facade, and an irritating one at that.  He loves Lois though it's not
really clear why and she loves his Superman persona.  It's pretty much
first season L&C without the depth. ;)

Even the 1986 re-structuring drifted into an extension of that attitude.
Byrne threw out the Kryptonian clutter and brought Ma and Pa Kent back to
life, but when push came to shove, the "new" Clark Kent wasn't all that
different from the old one. Most telling to me in this latest version of
the story was that despite the emphasis on his Kansas roots, it wasn't
until he thought he'd lost his powers permanently that he proposed to Lois
and he was conveniently powerless when the two of them finally tied the
knot and went on their honeymoon.  It wasn't the old 'woman of kleenex'
argument either - the writers didn't seem to balk at Superman having a
sexual relationship with a woman, they just couldn't seem to deal with the
idea that their superhero might need a wife or that such a relationship was
a source of strength, not a problem, or as has often been the case since
the wedding, an inconvenient little detail.

Just recently, the comic book based on the animated series, which is not
part of the regular continuity, did a story about the difficulty of leading
two lives, and had Superman asking himself - why bother?  The answer was
that Clark Kent, the reporter, could do things that the Kryptonian couldn't
do and that it took both sides of him *to do his job.*  I found that a
rather chilling resolution.  Though it stressed the love Clark and his
parents share, it seemed to me to once again leave out the real person, who
just might want something from his life that isn't work-related, or as Zoom
noted in another post, can be provided by a parent.

"Lois and Clark" tried to make the duality *work.*  To make it plausible
that a being like Superman could or would have an on-going life with Lois
Lane, they had to abandon the either/or thinking. They tried to present us
with a character who could reply to Lois' question: "Who's answering, Clark
or Superman?" with "I'm answering" and we would believe it could be true.

To be fair to the other versions, television is the best format for this
take on the story.  A big budget movie has only a few hours to dazzle its
audience; a superhero comic book is limited by its perceived audience and
the fact that it's 22 pages of drawings and sometimes minimalist writing.
No matter how good they are, these are restrictive formats.  But television
offers the best of both worlds - the visual flair, the emotional
involvement of live actors, the frequency of a weekly comic book title,
plus the smaller scale and intimacy that puts the people, not the spfx, in
the foreground. Despite the comic book look and light-hearted style of L&C,
we got quite a lot of character development, broad strokes and subtle
touches, in the visuals and in the acting, over four years.

Even more than the form, the creators of "Lois & Clark" somehow figured out
as they went along, perhaps accidentally, that Lois loving Superman wasn't
just a adolescent crush that had to be put aside, but an essential element
in making the marriage work, and that Clark's idea that 'Superman is what I
can do; Clark is who I am' just might not be the last word on the subject.
The characters created a wonderful life together because they were
*completely* in love with each other:  Clark Kent and his alter-ego, the
Man of Steel, and Lois Lane, award-winning journalist, and her alter-ego,
the woman who married Clark Kent AKA Superman and sustains him - *all* of
him.

Georgia (romantic to the core, and very sorry about the really long post)

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At 07:40 PM 7/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
> One deathfic that particularly impressed me was "Three
>Grandmothers,"
>written, I believe, by Piper (if I'm wrong on this, I hope that both
>Piper and
>the actual author will forgive me) Commenting on what I like about this
>particular
>treatment of the topic will give away the plot of the story, so those
>readers
>who like to be surprised should stop reading now.
>
>
I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly don't consider that
story a deathfic.

>
>
>The story deals with Lois's life after Clark fails to return from New
>Krypton.
>Lois, with help and support from the Kents, attempts to deal with
>Clark's loss
>

Yeah, but Clark isn't necessarily dead, you may want to think that death
is the only thing that will keep him from Lois, but he could be alive and
<shudder> well.

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Hello,

I am very happy to say the The SoulMate Chronicles:  Sea Hawk is finished.
Due to work schedules, summer vacations and a few other obstacles.  It is
finally
ready to be distributed.

I want to thank Julie (Macteach) for having faith we would finish this
story.
This has been truly a 'Labor of Love' for us both.  We both loved the
characters and have had a good time telling their story.  In fact, we are
even
discussing a possible sequel to this one.

I hope you like this episode in the continuing saga of The SoulMate
Chronicles.
Let me know your thoughts.

Happy Reading :)

Annie Lansbury
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<Lansbury>

Carlos looked from the two women to the small strangely dressed man standing
now beside the carriage.

"Dona Marta, who is your traveling companion?   I don't recall ever seeing
him
on the island."

"He is someone we met on the road, Carlos.  He said his horse threw him and
ran away.  I could not leave him along the roadside for bandits to find him
-
he looked so helpless.  See that he gets what he needs to continue on with
his
journey."

Carlos turned to Wells as the two ladies walked into the house, approaching
him with an outstretched hand of welcome.  Wells took the hand and was
amazed
at the gentle strength he felt in the handshake.

"As you heard from Dona Marta, everyone calls me Carlos.  I would be honored
if you would do the same.  Now, Senor, what should I call you?"

Wells looked as the smile playing around the mouth of the tall, dark,
handsome
young man.  It moved with lightning speed to his eyes, eyes which for all
the
world were the same as Clark Kent's.

"I am H. G. Wells from London, England.  You could say I am a writer and
explorer-at-large."

With his free hand he waved it in a half-circle to emphasize his statement.
Carlos gave a loud laugh and slapped Wells on the back, sending the little
man
flying forward.  Carlos immediately caught him before Wells lost his
balance.

"Forgive me, Senor Wells, I did not mean to hurt you.  I sometimes don't
know
my own strength."

"That's quite all right, my boy.  No harm was done.  You are a very solidly
built young man,"  Wells said as he straightened his black suit coat.

"Where are you from, Senor Wells?  From your speech, I detect an English
accent."

"Quiet right.  I am from London to be exact.  Have you ever been to England,
Carlos?"

"No, but my father had been there once as a young man.  When I was a child,
he
would tell me tales of street after street lined with stones and each filled
with tall buildings.  He delighted in telling stories of the many different
kinds of shops you have there.  I loved to sit and listen as he described
the
sights, sounds and smells of your city."

Wells could tell by the tone of his voice it wasn't just stories of England
Carlos enjoyed, but that he loved to hear his father's stories of any kind.

"Where is your father?  I would like to meet him.  Much has changed in
England
over the last twenty years."

Carlos stood still for a brief moment, facing the direction of the ocean
close
by.

"My father is dead," he said quietly.  "It has been some time now, but I
like
to think of him being out to sea.  He loved the time he spent on the sea and
it brought him great joy."

Wells was touched by the young man's love for his father.  Softly he said.
"I
am sure you gave him more joy and happiness than any voyage he ever took."

Carlos gave Wells a searching look which went passed his outter
trappings but one which seemed to go straight into his soul.  He nodded
approvingly at what he saw.

"That is very kind of you to say so. I like you, Senor Wells.  I sense you
are
a person of integrity and I envy you the opportunity of exploring the
world."
Gesturing towards the house he motioned for Wells to enter.

"Now, why don't I see to your needs.  May I offer you something to drink?"

"Yes, thank you, Carlos  I would love to have a touch of brandy to ease my
parched throat."

"Certainly," said Carlos as he led Wells towards the front salon.

Carlos was secretly glad to take him into the salon.  He wanted to be close
by
if he were needed to throw a certain Russian out on his ear.  Earlier, he
had
greeted Alexei Alexandrovich and led him into the house.  He was one man
Carlos had disliked instantly.  He had a feeling that Alexandrovich made his
fortune in an illegal manner.  He just needed to find proof of the illegal
dealings of this slick weasel to put him in a dark dungeon where he
belonged.

Mackteach]

The two women refreshed and tidied themselves.  Dona Marta studied herself
in
the looking glass for a moment before deciding that she and Lolita were
presentable.

"Come, Lolita.  We cannot keep our guest waiting."

Lolit looked like she was going to her execution.  "He calls himself a
nobleman, Mama.  Carlos has more honor and nobility in his hand than this
Russian does in his entire body."

[Lansbury]

Wells and Carlos stood beneath the staircase near the entrance of the salon,
the main room. Dona Marta and Lolita descended the stairs and passed through
the doors to the salon without observing them.  Wells could not help but
hear
what was being said in the room in front of them.  He was a little surprised
that Carlos let him remain and be a witness to what was about to transpire.

"Carlos, perhaps I should take my brandy and retire to another part of the
house?"

"Shhh!" was the only sound that came from Carlos.

Wells knew in a flash something important was about to take place and came
to
stand closer to Carlos.  They both listened intently as the conversation
began.

<chrispat>

As Dona Marta and Lolita entered the salon, a distinguished looking
gentleman
rose to his feet and slowly regarded the two women, his thoughts going over
the plan he was about to set in motion.

<Mackteach>

No one could ever accuse Alexei Alexandrovich of a lack of self-importance.
He was Russian, one of the "exiled" Russians whose bloodline was currently
not
in favor with the Emperor.  Luckily, no one in Cuba had discovered exactly
how
"unfavored" his family was.  Alexei Alexandrovich had passed himself off as
a
wealthy noble when in actuality he had no title, no land, no family to speak
of.  He had made his way to the Americas, intent on making his fortune,
returning to Russia in triumph, and building his own army to overthrow the
Emperor.  Lofty plans for a man, but Alexei Alexandrovich did not think of
himself as a "mere" man.  He thought of himself as the savior of Mother
Russia, possibly the world.

He had spent his monies creating an aura of nobility about himself, and, he
silently rejoiced, these "peasants" had fallen for his charade.  He had been
welcomed into the homes of the landed gentry, had charmed his way into the
right social circles, and had quickly amassed a great deal of wealth.

He laughed to himself, if only these wretched people knew exactly *how* I
made
my money.  He already had most of the storekeepers in town under his
control.
He knew that there were some among the aristocracy of Cuba that would
condone
the practice of slavery.  But, he also knew that there was one person, one
who
held a great deal of respect among the people, both wealthy and poor, who
would not.  He had to neutralize Don Juan De La Fuenta Vasquez in some way.
His devious mind had concocted the perfect plan.

In spite of his charm, in spite of his air of sophistication, there was one
thing that eluded Alexei Alexandrovich.  Respectability.  The working-class
Cubans feared him.  The wealthy landowners tolerated him as a "foreign
oddity."  Thanks to his coin and a few ladies from Senora Gonzalez's
establishment, he knew what was said about him.  And how many secretly hoped
that The Sea Hawk would rid their island of his presence.

He would teach them.  He would teach them all.  He would gain
respectability,
by force if necessary.  And how better than to *marry* respectability?  He
would marry the lovely Lolita and, as an added bonus, gain some leverage and
control over Don Juan.  The hacienda would be the perfect hiding place from
which to oversee his illegal activities.  And who would question the comings
and goings of Lolita's husband, the son-in-law of Don Juan?

*******
<chrispat>

Dona Marta extended her hand. "Senor Alexandrovich, I am so sorry to have
kept
you waiting, but here we are ... at last."

Alexei Alexandrovich bowed and kissed her hand. "Your apology is accepted,
Dona Marta.  I've come to expect rudeness in this backward community." His
attention turned to Lolita. "And this must be your lovely daughter."

Lolita glared at him. That snide remark had not gone unnoticed, and she had
to
bite her tongue to keep from uttering a sharp retort. Her mother frowned at
her warningly, but went on with the introduction. "Yes. This is our
daughter,
Lolita."

Lolita nodded, but stayed near the door. There was no way she was going to
let
him kiss her hand. She had to admit to herself that he was a handsome man,
but
she could sense something repellent about him. An aura of evil?

She shook her head. This was no time to be fanciful. Her father was counting
on Alexandrovich to invest some much needed money into the family estate.
She
gritted her teeth and greeted him politely.

"Senor Alexandrovich."

<Demi>

Alexei smiled.  "She has a fire in her. I *like* that!"  His powerful voice
echoed in the dining room, and Lolita couldn't help but feel a cool shiver
of
dread pass through her body.

She narrowed her eyes only slightly and inclined her head, hoping that it
would be respect which was conveyed, rather than the icy disgust she was
feeling.

"Senor, you are welcome in our hacienda.  What is ours is yours."  Dona
Marta
warmly nodded and tossed her daughter a quick, warning glance before
continuing.  "But I know you will be anxious to discuss business ..."

"Yes, where is your husband?"  Alexei's tone changed as the subject of
business came up and Dona Marta had to quell her angry retort.  Little did
he
know that in most matters, including the business of the hacienda, she and
Juan participated equally.  He would know soon enough.  She decided to bide
her time, and smiled instead.

*******
<Lansbury>

Carlos led Wells to an alcove near the salon as they watched Dona Marta and
Alexei leave the room.

"I must hear what Alexandrovich wants from Don Juan.  He is like a father to
me.  I cannot stand by while I know what an evil ..."  He stopped as he
realized what he was about to say.

Wells put his hand on the young man's forearm.  "You told me you sensed I
was
a man of integrity. I, too, sense you are a man of loyalty and truth.   One
who could not and would not stand idly by as his friends or loved ones are
about to be hurt in anyway.  I would venture to say you would not even stand
by to see a stranger harmed without coming to his aid."

Carlos looked at this man who seemed to know him all to well.  He stared a
few
seconds, looking deeply into the eyes of the older man.

"Senor, have we met before, you and I?  I can't help but get the impression
we
should be more than mere acquaintances."

Wells, too, looked into the eyes of man before him.  He thought of the
saying,
"A person's eyes are the window to his soul."   For the second time in the
course of a hour he had the most uncanny feeling.  For all intents and
purposes, he was gazing into the eyes of Clark Kent.

A deep sigh came from Carlos.  "Maybe you and I have met in another place
and
time," he said, but before Wells could reply, Carlos laid a hand on his
shoulder.  "I am going to trust you.   Come, let us follow where The Dona
leads."

They came to a stop outside Don Juan's study.  A small gust of wind
prevented
the door from completely closing and they both listened to what was being
said.
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The SoulMates Chronicles: The Sea Hawk

A group writing effort by Lansbury1@aol.com, Mackteach@aol.com,
chrispat(cp13607@aol.com), Demi(Demi22@aol.com) and peabody

Characters:
Carlos/The Sea Hawk/Clark
Lolita/Sea Hawk/Lois
Jefe Pedro/Perry
Jaime/Jimmy
Alexei Alexandrovich/Lex
Dona Marta De la Fuenta Vasquez/Martha
Don Juan De la Fuenta Vasquez/Jonathan

<Lansbury>

H.G. Wells sat at his desk looking down at the journal in front of him. The
memories were still fresh in his mind of the beautiful Lolita, the handsome
Carlos and the tropical island of Cuba.

Ah, Cuba, he thought.  The seaward isle, located just south of the Tropic of
Cancer in the Caribbean Sea, was still a colony of Spain in the eighteenth
century.  Its citizenry spoke Spanish and their ways of living reflected the
Spanish background.

One aspect of that way of life which many in that time took exception to was
the import of Black Africans. They had been first brought to Cuba in 1522,
mainly to work on the sugar plantations and in the tobacco fields.  Since
the
island was close to the new nation of the United States of America it was
also
a stopover for some of the slave vessels headed there.

Slavery!  Just the thought of it now made his heart ache for the humans who
were taken from their homes to never return.   The Sea Hawk had also
detested
slavery and took special issue with it.  This incarnation of one of the
souls
he was tracking saw it as a personal affront to humanity and, Wells had
learned through his observations, had pledged to free as many of the
captives
and destroy as many slave vessels as possible.

He leaned back into his chair.  "Now where do I begin?" he said aloud, not
expecting to get a response.  In a flash of inspiration his eyes started to
glaze over as he began to write in his journal.

I,  H. G. Wells, found myself transported in an instant through time back to
the year 1793 ...

*******
Wells quickly removed himself from the time machine.  He pulled it out of
sight and covered it with leafy branches for safekeeping.

"There, that should do for now!   I wonder where exactly my two soulmates
might be?"

He took the Soul Tracker from the inside pocket of his black suit coat.
Holding it in front of him he began turning, scanning the beautiful island.
A
small golden light began to pulsate on the Soul Tracker as it located one of
the souls he had set it to find.

"Ah, wonderful! That didn't take long at all."

Without hesitating, Wells moved to the center of the dirt road and held up
both arms.

A black-lacquered carriage pulled by two white horses came to a sudden stop
in
front of him, missing him by only a few feet.  The driver, being an expert
at
the reins, avoided the collision without bringing harm to his passengers or
to
the little man standing in front of the carriage.

Wells stood in the middle of the road with the horses snorting their
disapproval at being abruptly stopped.  He shouted above the heads of the
beasts at the people staring down at him.  A beautiful raven-haired woman
with
dark, inquisitive eyes stood up to look at the person who had stopped their
carriage, only to be pulled back into her seat by a regal older woman
sitting
next to her.

"Lolita, be careful!  He is a stranger.  He may be a bandit.  We know
nothing
of him."

Wells heard the younger woman laugh softly at the words of the older lady.

"Mama, I don't think we have anything to fear from this man. He is not
dressed
as a bandit and he is no bigger than Carlos when he was but twelve."

Before she could make any further comment, Wells spoke.

"Please excuse the interruption of your journey, but I am in a spot of
trouble.  Would you mind helping me?  Perhaps give me a lift to the nearest
ah
... hacienda? It seems as if my horse has thrown me and I am now without
transportation."

The younger woman looked at her mother expectantly, waiting for her to make
a
decision.

"Mama, Papa would never pass a person in need on the roadway without
stopping
to offer assistance.  We have Pedro here to protect us if the need should
arise."

"You are right, my daughter. Juan would offer his help and in his name I
will
do the same.  Besides, this man does not look harmless."

Without hesitation, the older woman stood up in the carriage and ordered the
driver to make room for him on the front seat beside him.

"Senor, you are more than welcome to join us as we are returning to our
home.
There you will receive what you need to continue with your travels."

Wells walked to the side of the black carriage and looked up at the lady.
He
removed his hat, placed it on his chest, and gave a slight bow.

"Thank you, kind lady, for your most gracious offer.  Allow me to introduce
myself.  I am H.G. Wells, a writer and traveler."

The older woman smiled serenely at him.  "No thanks are necessary, Senor
Wells.  I am Dona Marta De la Fuenta Vasquez and this is my daughter,
Lolita."

Lolita nodded her greeting, a soft smile playing on her lips at Wells'
impeccable manners.  Her instincts had been right about this stranger.  They
had nothing to fear from him.  Beyond that, she felt an immediate connection
with the little Englishman.  "Senor Wells."

Wells bowed slightly again.  Behind her natural beauty and grace, Wells had
recognized the intelligence and natural curiosity that marked the soul of
Lois
Lane.  "Senorita Loi ... er, Lolita."

His attention returned to Dona Marta.

"As Lolita has reminded me, my husband, Don Juan, would have done the same
and
in his name I am most honored to help someone who is in need."

Wells, with no help from the driver, struggled to make his way into the
carriage, stumbling before he was finally seated beside him.   One glance
from
the driver let him know he was not happy with the intrusion but would
tolerate
him on the seat.

They were quickly on their way again and the new passenger was soon
forgotten
as mother and daughter began to talk.

<Mackteach>

Wells took the opportunity to study the countryside.  The green rolling
hills
were covered with a luscious rug of green even as the warm earthy brown of
the
road led towards a sprawling ranch house.  Wells had recognized the souls of
Lois Lane and Martha Kent.  Apparently, as when he had met Lulu and The Lone
Rider, Lois was the daughter of Martha and, he assumed, Jonathan Kent.  He
smiled at the variations on the same theme that occurred.  He was curious to
see how the other souls intertwined with Lois and Clark manifested
themselves
in this lifetime.

As the carriage passed through the gates that marked the beginning of their
property, Dona Marta turned to her daughter.  "Now, Lolita, *promise* me you
will be polite to our visitor.  This Alexei Alexandrovich has become quite
the
influence in the short time he has been on our island.  Your father has some
business to discuss with him."

Lolita sighed in exasperation.  "I will, Mama. It's just that I don't know
*why* I can't be out riding my horse or out on the sea."

Dona Marta gazed sternly, but fondly, at her only child.  "I know, querida.
I
know that it is in your blood, but even as a sea hawk must be landlocked
once
in a while, so too must you attend to your duties and responsibilities."
She
patted Lolita's hand.  "Besides, with the recent activities of The Sea Hawk,
you know Papa doesn't like you out at sea."

<The Sea Hawk?> Wells thought.  <Well, well.  As always, a secret identity
makes its appearance.>

Lolita smiled at her mother's last statement.  "That's only because he can't
join me out at sea himself.  You forget that he told me about his days on
shipboard."

<Not all of them, my darling daughter,> Dona Marta thought.  She sighed,
partly in relief that her husband's secret was still a secret and partly
because of the fond memories that came to her.

"And how I regret that he did.  Filling your head full of ideas.  I still
remember when you were seven years old and announced that you were going to
be
a swashbuckling pirate!"  She shook her head in mock distress.

Lolita smiled, wishing that she could tell her mother exactly how much of a
swashbuckler she had become.  Instead, she smiled softly and reminded her,
"Mama.  You know that if it weren't for Papa's adventures, you would never
have met him."

Her mother smiled.  "Yes, and those were some of the happiest days of my
life.
Falling in love with your father ... marrying him ... having you."  She cast
a
loving smile on her daughter.  "I thank God every day for the two of you in
my
life."

Lolita leaned over and kissed her mother's cheek.  "I know, Mama.  I know."
Her gaze grew thoughtful.  "But yet, I can't help but wonder if there isn't
more to Papa's stories than just two youths off to see the world ..."  Her
voice trailed off as she thought of her own adventures, adventures that
would
surely outrage her mother if she ever knew.  Lolita's heart had skipped a
beat
when her mother had mentioned a sea hawk earlier.  She wondered just how
much
her mother had guessed or actually knew.

Dona Marta looked anxiously at her beautiful daughter.  <It's time to tell
her
the truth> she thought.

Wells turned in his seat and cleared his throat.  "Excuse me, Dona Marta.  I
couldn't help but hear.  The Sea Hawk?  Should I be worried about him as I
continue my travels?"

Lolita smiled.  "Unless you are a slave trader, Senor Wells, the Sea Hawk
will
not bother you."

"My daughter is right, Senor Wells.  The Sea Hawk has made it a personal
mission to stop as many of the slave ships that he can from completing their
ungodly route."

Wells smiled.  "So, the Sea Hawk is a defender of the weak and the
oppressed?"

Dona Marta further explained.  "Many would call The Sea Hawk a vigilante,
and
one that ignores our constabulary."  As she saw Lolita about to protest, she
turned to her daughter.  "Now, mi hija, you know that there are many on the
island that do not believe, as we do, that there is anything immoral about
slavery and the trading of humans."

Lolita sighed.  "Yes, Mama.  I know.  I am just glad that our family does
not
share this belief.  I cannot comprehend the owning of another person.  Where
is the truth and justice in that?"  Her eyes blazed with anger.  "The slave
traders will have to answer to a higher authority eventually.  But, for now,
The Sea Hawk will do what must be done."

The three of them fell silent as they lost themselves in their individual
thoughts.  As the carriage slowed to a halt at the main house, Dona Marta
adjusted her countenance.

"Here we are.  Now, Lolita.  Remember."

"Yes, Mama."

Their foreman, Carlos, stepped forward to assist the two women from the
carriage.  As he held Lolita's hand, a small jolt of electricity passed
between them.  Their eyes locked for a moment.

"Thank you, Carlos."

"My pleasure, Senorita 'Lita."

A soft smile played upon both their lips.

*******
Lolita and Carlos had known each other all their lives.  Carlos and his
family
had been employed by Don Juan's family for generations, but over the years
and
generations the line separating employer and employee had blurred between
the
two families. In fact, Don Juan and Carlos' father, Simon Montoya, had
served
on the same ship during their youth, sharing adventures and bonding to the
extent that Don Juan considered Simon his brother in spirit.  Each was
godfather to the other's child, a position that brought along with it a
great
deal of trust, respect, and honor.  Carlos was, for all practical purposes,
considered by Juan and Marta a member of their extended family.

What the exact nature of Juan's and Simon's adventures at sea had been,
neither Carlos nor Lolita had ever been able to discover.  When they were
children and asked, a conspiratorial look and smile was always exchanged
between their fathers. "Just doing what men our age did, eh, Simon?" was all
the answer that they ever got.

As his father before him, Simon had been foreman of the hacienda and upon
his
death, Don Juan had named Carlos to replace him, entrusting Carlos with the
well-being and health of their home and those who lived on the hacienda.
Don
Juan did not believe in slavery, and therefore employed many of the
townspeople, having them work on the hacienda during the day and returning
to
their own families at dusk.

It was a huge responsibility and one that Carlos never took for granted.
Under first his father's and then Don Juan's tutelage, Carlos had learned
everything that the two friends could teach him.  From Simon, Carlos had
learned how to defend himself and the hacienda as well as all the little
details that went into overseeing the daily activities at the hacienda.
From
Don Juan, Carlos had learned how to keep accurate books and ledgers, how to
deal with merchants, and how to trust in his instincts.  From both men,
Carlos
had learned about honor, truth, and justice.  Both Simon and Don Juan had
watched with pleasure and pride as the young man channeled his youthful
energy
into his studies.

Everyone loved Carlos.  He was a hard-working, dependable man.  He didn't
drink and he didn't swear.  And, unlike some of their other employees, he
didn't indulge in the local "scenery" down at Senora Gonzalez's cantina.

Don Juan,  especially, had been pleased that his daughter, Lolita, had found
a
friend in Carlos.  Unlike many of his peers of the time, Don Juan believed
that education should not be restricted to the male members of the
aristocracy, that knowledge was important to a person's self-worth.

And so Lolita took her lessons side-by-side with Carlos.  Lolita had
followed
Carlos everywhere, doing what he did whether it was mucking out the stables
or
tending to a sick horse.  And, from the tutor that Dona Marta had employed,
Carlos learned the same subjects that Lolita did, sitting next to her and
forming a lifelong friendship .

Where Carlos excelled in geography, mathematics, and the sciences, Lolita's
forte was languages and the arts, especially writing.  The tutor had once
told
the Don and Dona that Lolita had a talent for writing, for telling a tale so
vividly that the reader or listener was immediately drawn into the imaginary
world that Lolita had created.

He had also commented that Carlos hung on every word that Lolita spoke,
willingly giving his assistance when needed.  That comment had brought a
smile
to the Don's and Dona's lips.  Dona Marta and Don Juan had always harbored a
secret dream that Carlos and Lolita would fall in love and marry each other,
further strengthening the bond and closeness between the two families.
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*******
<chrispat>

Carlos was just reaching for the trademark plumed hat, mask, and cape of The
Sea Hawk when he heard someone in the stables.  He walked forward stealthily
and hid in the shadows as Lolita entered.  Some instinct made him hide
deeper
in the shadows as she went to the tack room.

She opened a tack box and then a hidden bottom to the tack box.  She pulled
out the full coat, gauntlets, a plumed hat,  ... but first, the mask.

Carlos was about to reveal his presence when, to his stunned amazement, she
started to remove her clothing.  His face was burning with shame, but he
couldn't tear his eyes away from the sight of her graceful body. He had
spent
many long nights tossing and turning in restless sleep as his dreams had
pictured a similar scene. He closed his eyes for a moment and pinched
himself,
but when he opened them, she was still there. This was no dream.

After a moment, he managed to turn away. An endless few minutes later, he
heard her talking to her horse, and turned back to see a masked stranger
buckling on a sword.  If he hadn't heard her voice, he would never have
guessed she was female, let alone his Lolita. What on earth was she doing,
and
where was she going, dressed as a man?

He watched as she swung nimbly into the saddle and rode off. As soon as she
was out of sight, he hastily snatched up his sword and bridled Don Juan's
prized stallion.  Stuffing his own hat, cloak and mask into a bag, and
without
taking time for a saddle, he took off in pursuit.

<Lansbury>

In the early dusk of the warm evening he followed her, being careful to stay
far enough behind so she wouldn't be alerted to his presence.  Carlos was
shocked when her horse turned to go down the long roadway which led to
Alexei
Alexandrovich's home.  He paused just long enough to open the bag he had
quickly put his disguise.  He quickly donned the mask, cape and plumed hat
as
he kept Lolita in sight.

<What is she up to now?> he thought as he watched her tie her horse out of
sight of the huge mansion.  Carlos hid in the tall bushes and watched as she
crossed the lawn and crept slowly towards an open window on the side of the
house. Just as she was about to climb into the window there was a sound as
two
workers came from a wagon parked near the rear of the house.

She quickly hid in the shrubs nearby.

Carlos at that moment chose to quickly make his way towards her hiding spot.
He reached her as the men entered the house.  A wave of anger swept over him
as he placed a hand on her arm.

"Lolita!  What in heaven's name are you doing?" His anger was about to get
the
best of him when he said, "Why are you dressed as you are?"

Seeing only the mask, Lolita demanded, "Who are you and why have you
followed
me?"  Her eyes grew large as recognition came to her at the same time it
came
to him.  In an instant everything came into focus.

"No, nooo..." they stumbled with the words. "You can't be! You can't be
the...." Each was pointing at the other.

Carlos recovered first.  "Yes, Lolita.  I am the Sea Hawk.  I have known for
a
while someone was out there pretending to be the Sea Hawk but I would never
have guessed it was you."

<Mackteach>

Carlos smiled at Lolita.  "This explains The Sea Hawk being seen both at sea
and on land at the same time.  I had often wondered about that and had just
assumed that they were exaggerations.  But then again, there were too many
sightings, too many different stories for it to be just an exaggeration."

"The Sea Hawk?   Is it true, Carlos?  *You* are The Sea Hawk?"

He smiled at the stunned look on her face and began to softly chuckle.
Lolita
couldn't help the soft smile that came to her face as she remembered her
mother's words from earlier.  "It appears that at this moment *both* Sea
Hawks
are landlocked."

She knew they both had questions and wasn't surprised at his next words.
"So,
what are we doing here?"

She looked into his eyes.  In the moonlight, Lolita saw the usual respect
that
he always had for her.  Beyond that, she saw something else.  She didn't
want
to think about what that "something else" could be.  At least, not right
now.

She smiled tightly.  "There is no 'we' in this, Carlos.  *I* have to do this
alone."

She turned away from him, intent on entering the mansion.  His grip
tightened
on h