From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9801C" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:41:34 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEB0603 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All! I am a new member to the List. I just want to say Thanks so much to everyone. I got the two stories 3Capes to the Wind and The Next Step the other day. They were both SUPER!!! I keep hearing about Sanctuary. I also got Joyce's e-mail addy- but I am reluctant to send the mail and ask for the story. I read what Kathy said- and I must agree. So Joyce.... PLEASE let us know if we can e-mail you for the story. You can e-mail me and let me know or I will keep checking the list to see what your reply is. Once again- Thanks to all. I am really enjoying all the mail. Deborah M. (FoLC 4ever) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:37:37 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: Re: Sanctuary In-Reply-To: <199801150418.XAA18317@aus-d.mp.campus.mci.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:18 PM 1/14/98 -0500, Sharon L. Gilbert wrote: >Who is the author? Thanks. Whoa, missing most of a day of e-mail because of my daughter's birthday then wandering in at three o'clock in the morning to find all these messages with the same question, more or less, can certainly wake a person up. Yeah, who did write that thing? Okay, Kathy meandered around this, so, I guess I should confess and clear up the confusion. I'm the guilty party and used a pen name, B.B. Medos. No, the story isn't on the L&C archive because it is nfic although it wasn't supposed to be. That's another story altogether. I'll happily distribute it privately but it is rather, er, large. If I remember correctly, it was around 145 text pages and 21 parts if sent separate e-mails, but I can also send it as one file and zipped. Joyce also has it on file each way, I think. Or she did originally. However, this does bring up a question that I've been meaning to ask related to the hassles of sending a story this size individually. I recently changed the e-mail address that I put on all the stories for that name to Ergo, I need to change that address on all my stories, even the ones on the archive. I've already asked Kathy about resubmitting those as I get the chance to do some re-editing on them and, when I do, I'll probably post them here, too. Then I wondered about the nfiction list and that whopper. Because I am getting ready to start submitting some stories in the same universe to the regular archive, I was wondering whether I should resubmit SANCTUARY to the nfic list first which might take care of all these newbies at one time. But wouldn't that be rather redundant for the ones on that list that already have it? Has anyone sent a story back through all over again? How IS that handled anyway? Beverly :-) Who's wondering if any of this made sense considering I'm probably half asleep zzzzzzzzzz ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:51:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joan Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.com) Subject: Comment on 3 capes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "3 Capes To The Wind" is a great fanfic. I really like the idea of Clark getting drunk. Well, it's never done before!!! Seeing him losing some(or is it all)of his inhibition and it's just real fun to read. I was smiling or laughing the whole time I was reading it. It's a great one. I think the idea of an intoxicated Clark can be explored further. Yeah, it won't hurt a bit if it developed into a nfic. Though it is quite sexy as it is now.:) Big thanks to all the writers. --- Joan aka dmj ***************************************************************** * My Lois & Clark page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~dmyeung/ * ***************************************************************** Free web-based e-mail, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:41:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: 7 days a week? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:54 AM 1/14/98 +0000, you wrote: >Just a quick question that I have been pondering about. I figured maybe some >of you could help me figure out the answer. Did Lois and Clark actually work 7 >days a week (I know that a newspaper *is* printed 7 days a week) or did >they have certain days, such as the weekend off? I figure what must be the biggest newspaper (in circulation and prestige) in the world must have several editions a day. This requires a lot of employees, including a top-flight, round-the-clock newsroom crew. This is why I never understood why there were episodes in which we saw the newsroom dark. There might be days--or rather, evenings in which things might be a bit slow, say, on a Sunday or Monday night, thought it would depend on what was happening in the news. There has to be some time for the cleaning crew (Rahalia for the newsroom) to get in there and clean up :) As for days off, in my stories I gave CK Wednesday and Lois Thursday off. I figured she would want at least the appearance of a shorter time before the weekend, even though she works on Saturday. CK got Wednesday maybe by default; maybe that was the day the fewest people took off. He works on Saturday, too. They both take Sunday off, though they make work into Sunday (i.e., work late Saturday), depending on the story(ies). I don't see any of them working (or maybe wanting to work just) an eight-hour day. There's the potential for too much excitement :) Then again, CK probably has trouble staying in the office, given his other, um, duties ;) Somebody who always seemed to be at work is Perry, even if after the first season he wasn't doing much but having Alice problems. I'm glad you're thinking about these things, Genine, it will make your version of the newsroom a little more lifelike :) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:51:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: AMCIOTOLA Subject: Re: Sanctuary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, May I request Sanctuary..I am over 18 and I will not redistribute Thanks Anen ---------- > From: Beverly Latham > To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > Subject: Re: Sanctuary > Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 04:37 > > At 11:18 PM 1/14/98 -0500, Sharon L. Gilbert wrote: > >Who is the author? Thanks. > > Whoa, missing most of a day of e-mail because of my daughter's birthday > then wandering in at three o'clock in the morning to find all these > messages with the same question, more or less, can certainly wake a person > up. Yeah, who did write that thing? Okay, Kathy meandered around > this, so, I guess I should confess and clear up the confusion. I'm the > guilty party and used a pen name, B.B. Medos. No, the story isn't on the > L&C archive because it is nfic although it wasn't supposed to be. That's > another story altogether. I'll happily distribute it privately but it > is rather, er, large. If I remember correctly, it was around 145 text pages > and 21 parts if sent separate e-mails, but I can also send it as one file > and zipped. Joyce also has it on file each way, I think. Or she did > originally. > > However, this does bring up a question that I've been meaning to ask > related to the hassles of sending a story this size individually. I > recently changed the e-mail address that I put on all the stories for that > name to Ergo, I need to change that address on all my > stories, even the ones on the archive. I've already asked Kathy about > resubmitting those as I get the chance to do some re-editing on them and, > when I do, I'll probably post them here, too. Then I wondered about the > nfiction list and that whopper. Because I am getting ready to start > submitting some stories in the same universe to the regular archive, I was > wondering whether I should resubmit SANCTUARY to the nfic list first which > might take care of all these newbies at one time. But wouldn't that be > rather redundant for the ones on that list that already have it? Has anyone > sent a story back through all over again? How IS that handled anyway? > > Beverly :-) > Who's wondering if any of this made sense considering I'm probably half > asleep zzzzzzzzzz > > > > ******************************* > Beverly Latham > blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net > ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:14:59 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: AMCiotola Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry guys that should have went private email Anne ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:15:46 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lalapoop2 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: FoLC SIGHTING: Peace on tv Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Peace on TV??? I am definitely looking forward to this. We might not know your real name, but we'll know what you look like, cool! Michelle (Lala2 on IRC) Peace wrote: >Just wanted to let you all know that if you've just been dying to know what I look like :P on January 22 you'll get your chance. My brother's wedding was taped by The Learning Channel for their program A Wedding Story. It aired for the first time on December 17, and will air again on January 22 (also two or three more times during this spring). The program is on every day, Monday through Friday, at 2 p.m. -- they show two weddings, one after the other, and I don't know whether my brother's will be the first or the second, but watch for the names Heather and Joel right at the beginning. I show up about halfway through, arriving at Heather's parents' house during the rehearsal dinner -- I'm the short round lady in the white turtleneck, hugging the bride and saying, "It's so nice to finally meet you!" < ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:58:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Resubmitting stories [Was Re: Sanctuary] In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980115033737.0069ca40@hop-uky.campus.mci.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 3:37 AM -0600 1/15/98, Beverly Latham wrote: >Okay, Kathy meandered around >this, so, I guess I should confess and clear up the confusion. Yeah, well, I knew you were on the list, so I figured I'd make you 'fess up to your adoring public. >I'll happily distribute it privately but it >is rather, er, large. If I remember correctly, it was around 145 text pages >and 21 parts if sent separate e-mails, but I can also send it as one file >and zipped. There's your answer, FoLCs. :) >However, this does bring up a question that I've been meaning to ask >related to the hassles of sending a story this size individually. I >recently changed the e-mail address that I put on all the stories for that >name to Ergo, I need to change that address on all my >stories, even the ones on the archive. I've already asked Kathy about >resubmitting those as I get the chance to do some re-editing on them and, >when I do, I'll probably post them here, too. I know how it is with reediting. My email address had been changed twice before I got around to reediting Camping with Clark and reposting it back to the Archive. Heck, it took me working for the Archive to kick my butt into gear. Hey, Bev, want a job? Seriously, though, if you want me to change the address (and this goes for anyone out there who has changed email addresses that has a story on the Archive), let me know which files you want updated, and we can do that for you. If you'd rather reedit the story (I cleaned up some typos and punctuation errors in Camping at the same time I changed my address) or change the address yourself, you can send an updated version to , with instructions on what you want us to do. Try to include the txt file name (camping.txt) so we'll know which file to replace. > Then I wondered about the >nfiction list and that whopper. Because I am getting ready to start >submitting some stories in the same universe to the regular archive, I was >wondering whether I should resubmit SANCTUARY to the nfic list first which >might take care of all these newbies at one time. But wouldn't that be >rather redundant for the ones on that list that already have it? Has anyone >sent a story back through all over again? How IS that handled anyway? I have seen the occasional story resubmitted to the nfic list, usually story that has been revised in some way, or one that was unavailable for awhile, then became available again. Newbies should have received a list of all the old ads, but I think by this time, there are so many to read, a lot get lost in the shuffle. As with the regular Archive, you see a list of a few hundred stories and you have no idea which ones to request. So, unless you get a recommendation, you just don't read them. I would say there is no harm in resubmitting an ad for SANTUARY on the nfic list. The ads are short, and those that have read it before can simply delete the ad. I think it's a good idea. :) Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:38:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sara Kraft Subject: Re: 7 days a week? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Did Lois and Clark actually work 7 days a week (I know that a newspaper *is* printed 7 days a week) or did they have certain days, such as the weekend off? If all else fails, I suppose I will have to make up my own answer, but I just wanted to be sure first. Any input would be greatly appreciated. << You could always be like Debby and give Lois and Clark each one seperate day off, which does make sense not to have two star reporters off on the same day, but makes for an extremely frustrated reader, not to mention an epic (and completely wonderful ) series. Sara (who, through sporadic visits to the email world, has decided to start responding to some of them, and also reccomends Heaven's Prisoners with a tissue) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:48:00 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-14 22:17:46 EST, you write: << >Sanctuary is nfic. It is available through I'm not sure that anyone besides the author should announce where to find a particular nfic. Maybe I'm overreacting ... I've certainly been known to do that. But putting out this information on a public listserv makes me uncomfortable, especially given the sensitive nature of the story. Also, people should keep in mind that not all nfic is distributed through one source. Many authors distribute their own stories, and I would hate for Joyce's mailbox to get filled with requests that she can't help with. She very kindly helps distribute stories for nfic list members ... I don't know how she'd feel about her address being released to the general public. Just my opinion ... but I think we should let the author either answer, or decline to answer, this sort of question. Kathy ______________________ >> My apologies. I was merely passing on information in the same manner I recieved it, and I was unaware that it was inappropriate. It will not happen again. I certainly would do nothing deliberately to upset Joyce. She performs an invaluable service to us all, and I truly apologize if I have caused her any inconvienience. Once again, I am sorry. Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:56:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: Real Names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys! Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. ------------------------------------------ Brad Gardner Gardners@htc.net Visit the Gardner family web directory at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html ------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:00:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Sanctuary In-Reply-To: <2f1a13a1.34bebc54@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:48 PM 1/15/98 EST, you wrote: >My apologies. I was merely passing on information in the same manner I >recieved it, and I was unaware that it was inappropriate. It will not happen >again. >I certainly would do nothing deliberately to upset Joyce. She performs an >invaluable service to us all, and I truly apologize if I have caused her any >inconvienience. Cystal, yoru apology was really considerate. I'm sure there were no upset feelings though :) It's also very understandable that many people who are genuinely interested and/or curious about NFic, those who hear about it somewhat frequently on this list or elsewhere in FoLCdom, merely in passing, will want to know how to find it. That's normal and it's not a secret. It's just not available for those under 18. ;) I know that while Nfic *used* to be a very secretive and private medium, it has since expanded into something much larger than any secret could possibly remain. If an author doesn't want their work talked about they won't distribute it at all, most often ;) People love to discuss what they read, it's natural. Joyce is open about what she does, she hasn't taken out any big ads, but she doesn't hide in a dark corner either and she's always very patient and understanding with the mass of mail she gets from those curious.. that's why we call her St Joyce! :) She's somehow able to handle all her requests and with grace and class ;) so I am sure there was no harm done at all. I suppose there are some folks more protective of the fact that they write Nfic than others, so if you *are* curious about an author's work, it's probably best to write them privately, but mentioning Joyce, or even Debby's Nfic list is not a crime It's public knowledge... :) IMHO.. as always... Take Care All ;) Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:07:07 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEB0603 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary& NFIC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Question? Is there one place where you can get the NFIC? Or is it only gotten from the author of that particular story? Please let us all know. Thanks so much! Deborah ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:39:16 -0600 Reply-To: peabody@mcs.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pat Organization: Amarna House Subject: Fanfic with a tissue (WAS: Re: 7 days a week?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi FoLCs, Sara Kraft wrote: > Sara (who, also reccomends Heaven's Prisoners with a > tissue) You're right, Sara, Heaven's Prisoners was a great story *and* a wonderful tearjearker! For those of us who like to read with tissue in hand, two of Sheila Harper's fanfics; "Faster Than a Speeding Bullet" and "Shot in the Dark" also immediately come to mind. All three of these stories are the genuine article. They work because they deal with the characters and their situations honestly and sincerely, rather than attempting to manipulate the reader's emotions. I can remember reading a number of well-written fanfics that triggered that same kind of emotional response; unfortunately, I can't remember all of their names! Pat -- peabody@mcs.com pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:15:32 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genine E Murray Subject: Re: Real Names Hey FoLCs, No Brad, you aren't the *only* person who uses his/*her* own name. *I* use my own name... Genine Murray. I think that many, if not most, FoLCs use their own name. I can probably name a couple dozen others just off of the top of my head right now who use their "real" name on the list(s)... not just us. ;) Genine ~ GemFoLC51@juno.com ~ SuperGeM on mIRC Watch "Lois & Clark : The New Adventures of Superman" on TNT "You fill me with life." CK - Family Hour On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:56:14 -0600 The Gardner Family writes: >Hey guys! >Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea >some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. >------------------------------------------ >Brad Gardner >Gardners@htc.net >Visit the Gardner family web directory at >http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html >------------------------------------------ > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:31:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Real Names In-Reply-To: <19980115.221539.8502.0.GemFoLC51@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Hey guys! >>Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea >>some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. LOL you have no idea how many people thought that my real name was/is "Demona", I had never imagined, because when I decided to take that alias, I did so because "Demona" was my favorite character on the Gargoyles cartoon, mysterious and without conscience Demi is short for Demona, so there's an alias for an alias and I never use my real name online anyway so, I say, welcome to the world of make beleive LOL We are all..what we make of ourselves, online, or off ;) Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:33:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: <7c443eb6.34becee2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:07 PM -0500 1/15/98, DEB0603 wrote: >Question? >Is there one place where you can get the NFIC? Or is it only gotten from the >author of that particular story? Please let us all know. >Thanks so much! >Deborah Nope, no archive for nfic, though I know of at least one FoLC who really wants to put one together (and no, it's not me ... I have my hands more than full! LOL!) At this point, unless an author has set up a website for their work, you generally either have to ask the author of the story, or Joyce, if she's agreed to distribute it for that person. But remember, people, you must be 18 or older to get this stuff, and promise *never* to redistribute the stories. (/me has nightmares of my stories being passed around some high school locker room. ) The fear among many nfic authors (myself included) is that we may be legally liable if a minor has possession of our work. Congress and the courts have gone back and forth over issues such as these, and while I think the government has much better things to do with their time than worry about this issue, I don't want to be the one that Newt Gingrich makes an example of when his 15 year old niece reads my stories. So, you can see why some people get a bit nervous when we start discussing this stuff on an open listserv. Now, all that said, I'd like to extend my apologies to Crystal if I came off sounding harsh in my last message. I certainly wasn't angry, and there are no hard feelings. :) I just wasn't sure if we were allowed to discuss stuff like that on this listserv (heh heh, a little late now, eh? ), and I guess I tend to be a little more protective than some when it comes to nfic. But, if Demi assures us all that it's OK, I certainly won't contradict her. ;) Kathy (who just finished up page 50 on hers and Demi's WIP and we're not even close to being done. LOL!) ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:45:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: Real Names Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:56 PM 1/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey guys! >Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. >------------------------------------------ >Brad Gardner A lot of us are so young and innocent that we cannot help but use our real names :) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:45:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: How to Join NFanfic List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:07 PM 1/15/98 EST, Deborah (a great name!) wrote: >Question? >Is there one place where you can get the NFIC? Or is it only gotten from the >author of that particular story? Please let us all know. >Thanks so much! >Deborah The Nfanfic List is a private list. You can join if you assure me, Debby, that you are +17.99 years of age ("an adult", or someone old enough so her/his mom/dad/parents/church/etc. can't take action against us), and you understand the nature of the list (spicy, sexually explicit stories, some complete with "A" plot) (and some of those A plots pretty good!), *and* that you will not distribute any of the stories unless you have permission to do so from the authors. :) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:26:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gary Subject: Defending NFIC In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: > >The fear among many nfic authors (myself included) is that we may be >legally liable if a minor has possession of our work. Congress and the >courts have gone back and forth over issues such as these, and while I >think the government has much better things to do with their time than >worry about this issue, I don't want to be the one that Newt Gingrich makes >an example of when his 15 year old niece reads my stories. > I certainly don't want anyone to be in court, nor am I a lawyer, but I'd love the opportunity to defend Nfic morally/legally. I'm confident I could get the judge and/or jury to join the list after it's all over... Baliff: "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?" Witness: Yes. Me: (grabbing the Bible out of the Baliff's hands) "Oh, I'm going to need this..." (and I don't even need the Song of Solomon...which frankly I'd be more embarassed to quote here than most of the Nfics...) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Gary A. Rudick mailto:gar8434@rit.edu | | "You decide what you feel heaven is worth" - Deborah Gibson, TWYH | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:33:46 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Larus2407 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: NFIC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-15 23:32:45 EST, you write: << (/me has nightmares of my stories being passed around some high school locker room. ) >> Nah, Kathy, we won't do that till you have teenage kids --Laurie ;) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:14:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >I just wasn't sure if we were allowed to discuss stuff like that on this >listserv (heh heh, a little late now, eh? ), and I guess I tend to be a >little more protective than some when it comes to nfic. >But, if Demi assures us all that it's OK, I certainly won't contradict her. ;) Thanks Kath ;) IMHO, it's a lot like discussing the existance of X Rated movie rental stores... without going into the actual content of same, knowing that they're around is fairly innocuous information... knowledge is what you know, wisdom is what you do with what you know So it's MHO that the online world and it's contents is one we can't well police for other people, only ourselves. I'll have to tell you guys (in more detail than I'm about to go into ) about the letter I once got from an irate mommy whose daughter had written to me, stating she was well over 18 and on a certain (then exclusive) list for Nfic, and wanted my work...Happily for me, I save all my requests! LOL So I went back through them and sent "mommy" her daughter's well written request letter, very chic too Anyway, "mommy" then had to yank her shoe out of her mouth pretty quick But she did so with style LOL I'd better get back to sifting through story files and sorting things out now or I'll *never* get done Take Care all! Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:33:01 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Patric6928 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Rag N Bone Status Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Should we start writing letters to Leslie now to save another show....or should we wait Patricia -------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1998 The Times-Picayune Publishing Co. The Times-Picayune January 14, 1998 Wednesday, THIRD SECTION: LIVING; Pg. E1 LENGTH: 656 words Anne Rice's ghostly detective drama "Rag and Bone" won't join the CBS schedule this spring. But CBS programmer Leslie Moonves said the prospective series, starring Dean Cain as an ex-priest-turned-detective who's haunted by the ghost of a dead policeman, is still a candidate for the '98 fall schedule. "We did the pilot and it'll be in the fall mix," Moonves said. "We didn't really need it right now." New Orleans location filming for the one-hour pilot episode wrapped in November. Moonves said he "had some clarity problems" with the first cut, "so I asked them for a re-edit." But he maintains it is still "very much" in the running for a schedule berth next season, particularly in light of the network's determination to find new shows that appeal to younger viewers. "It's a nice pilot," he said. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:32:29 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Patric6928 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Rock N Jock-He's confirmed! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit He is confirmed!! So get your tickets to Rock N Jock now! Patricia ----------------------------------------------------------- The San Diego Union-Tribune, January 15, 1998 January 15, 1998, Thursday SECTION: ENTERTAINMENT; Ed. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8; Pg. NIGHT & DAY-4 LENGTH: 2166 words HEADLINE: The Super Bowl celebration SERIES: UP FRONT; SUPER BOWL XXXII BODY: The party gets under way tomorrow when the NFL Experience opens at Qualcomm Stadium, but the real fireworks begin next week. That's when the big Super Bowl events begin and the parties, street fairs, music festivals and sporting events jump into high gear. ..... [very long article about all the activites] GRAPHIC: 1 PHOTO / 2 DRAWINGS; 1,2. TIM HAGGERTY / Illustration 3. JEFF KRAVITZ; 2. (NIGHT & DAY-5) 3. Television's "Superman" Dean Cain and actor John Leguziamo will be making an appearance at the NFL Experience as part of MTV's "Rock 'n' Jock" on Saturday, Jan. 24, at Qualcomm Stadium. (NIGHT & DAY-5) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:25:21 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joyce Fitch Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A lurker steps forward... Having just returned home, this post jumped out of the 749 I received, and I felt compelled to say just a few words: There is good reason not to put a website up for nfanfic. I distribute a lot of it, and I have been approached by "concerned" self-deputized spammers that underaged people are getting stories. I have some technolgical expertise and have dealt with these creeps well, but they could be intimidating to many! I am careful to keep all the disclaimers I get, so that I would have a bit of evidence should anyone decide to legally challenge the sending of the stories. I also take those off the my list if someone confirms that they have lied about their age. Obviously anyone can take the risk of establishing a site for nfic. It would be very easy to put these stories in one place for anyone to access, but, in my opinion, the risks are not worth it. I considered doing this and using a password - for about 4 seconds. Enough said! Just thinking about the people a site like this would attract..... Also, in answer to a thought Linda expressed about cast and crew reading nfic. Yes, some do. Now, if only they would also write! ;-) I'm off to catch up on mail, but I'll try to keep track of this thread. Joyce >At 10:07 PM -0500 1/15/98, DEB0603 wrote: >>Question? >>Is there one place where you can get the NFIC? Or is it only gotten from the >>author of that particular story? Please let us all know. >>Thanks so much! >>Deborah > > >Nope, no archive for nfic, though I know of at least one FoLC who really >wants to put one together (and no, it's not me ... I have my hands >more than full! LOL!) > >At this point, unless an author has set up a website for their work, you >generally either have to ask the author of the story, or Joyce, if she's >agreed to distribute it for that person. > >But remember, people, you must be 18 or older to get this stuff, and >promise *never* to redistribute the stories. (/me has nightmares of my >stories being passed around some high school locker room. ) > >The fear among many nfic authors (myself included) is that we may be >legally liable if a minor has possession of our work. Congress and the >courts have gone back and forth over issues such as these, and while I >think the government has much better things to do with their time than >worry about this issue, I don't want to be the one that Newt Gingrich makes >an example of when his 15 year old niece reads my stories. > >So, you can see why some people get a bit nervous when we start discussing >this stuff on an open listserv. > >Now, all that said, I'd like to extend my apologies to Crystal if I came >off sounding harsh in my last message. I certainly wasn't angry, and there >are no hard feelings. :) > >I just wasn't sure if we were allowed to discuss stuff like that on this >listserv (heh heh, a little late now, eh? ), and I guess I tend to be a >little more protective than some when it comes to nfic. > >But, if Demi assures us all that it's OK, I certainly won't contradict her. ;) > >Kathy (who just finished up page 50 on hers and Demi's WIP and we're not >even close to being done. LOL!) > >______________________ >Kathy Brown >kbrown@toolcity.net > >KathyB on IRC >______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:59:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Michelle Glenn Subject: Re: Real Names In-Reply-To: <01BD21F8.0940F560@ppp47.htc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No, I use my real name, Michelle Glenn. "I've got to go do that thing that I have to do in that place that I'll be back from in just a minute."--Clark (TCoM) On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, The Gardner Family wrote: > Hey guys! > Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. > ------------------------------------------ > Brad Gardner > Gardners@htc.net > Visit the Gardner family web directory at > http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html > ------------------------------------------ > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:01:54 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lalapoop2 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Real Names Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Brad wrote: . Seriously, I know a lot of women use aliases, because we get some feeling of security thinking people don't know how to find us (i.e. ax murderers, etc.). Debby wrote: Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: Re: Real Names In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980116055016.36974aac@swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:45 AM 1/16/98 -0700, Debby Stark wrote: >A lot of us are so young and innocent that we cannot >help but use our real names :) ROTFL! Hey, I think I might just resent that remark! But, seriously . . . if I can get serious after that doozy , there probably are a lot online that use nickname/screenname/pen-names truly for privacy's sake to stay anonymous. Quite a lot use their real names. Then there are those of us strange ones that do both. I think I used a pen-name originally on the fanfiction I wrote simply for the comfort factor. I just wasn't sure I wanted to or was ready to put my real name on them and let them float around in cyberspace or even in an archive and such. I'm still not, but it also doesn't bother me if someone knows because I'm not ashamed of anything I've put out there. The name I use is at least half real, because I've been stuck with the Bebe nickname for most of my life, off and on. [The rest of it comes from my odd sense of humor. ] The strange thing is that most of my family [the more extended family, you know, not dh and the kids because they're read most of the things I've written] wouldn't recognize the name or my writings, but many friends both online and off might. Beverly :-) ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:35:44 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Michell944 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How does one get a copy of "Sanctuary" ~Michelle ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:17:40 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Breezae Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Real Names Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I would also come forward and say... Breezy is my real name, kind of... everyone calls me Breezy and they have since I was a baby, I have even considered changing it legally, but since I'm only 17 and I need a parent's signature... I'm a slacker... if you really want to know my real name here it is : Brianne. And for any axe murders out there if you really want to hunt me down they know where to look once they find my body for the killer. :D Breezy aka Brianne aka Breezles aka Breezers aka Breezily aka Breezerella aka Frank Schwartz aka Don't call me Brie, I hate that. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:40:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 15/01/98 -0500, Kathy wrote: >I just wasn't sure if we were allowed to discuss stuff like that on this >listserv (heh heh, a little late now, eh? ), and I guess I tend to be a >little more protective than some when it comes to nfic. Yes, I was under the impression this was an nfic free zone. I've read a number of messages in the last few days putting in glowing recommendations about nfic. I've read nfic, I find it...boring. Sorry, but if the one's I've read are anything to go by, it's like reading a story about a couple having a romantic dinner and the author going off on a five page tangent, in infinite, excrutiating detail about how the couple masticates their food. I *know* how to chew food!;) I don't need the infinite detail. [I also resent the Pavlov's dog aspect of nfic, but that's a whole other issue. (I'd rather drool over my husband).] I've tried reading the PG versions of some nfic. Either there isn't any viable story once the excrutiating detail is gone...or the author takes great delight in lording it over the reader about what "joy" they're missing by not reading the salacious version. Since most of the audience for the PG version is either underage, or doesn't *want* to read the other version, I find these comments to be demeaning. I realize that some people enjoy nfic. That's okay, if that's what you like, read it...but don't push it in front of me when I *don't* want it. I stopped going on IRC because I got fed up with the nudge-nudge-wink-wink atmosphere there. If it continues here, I guess I'll be staying away from here too;\ So in summary, I'd prefer it if this list didn't become a front for nfic. Some of the people on the list *can't* get it, and others of us would just rather not. Thanks for your attention, if you read this far:) Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:10:44 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LRSABC Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Romance Novels vs. nfic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have been reading the posts on nfic and the pros and cons of its distribution or lack thereof. And finally feel that I have something to contribute. Having read several nfics (Temporary Insanity and Heaven's Prisoners) and more trashy romance novels than I care to or will ever admit to. I can't say that the nfic is any more detailed than the romance novels, yet if nfic were easily accessable in the internet, it would be wrong? Many bookstores have numerous shelves dedicated to trashy novels. Ever see anyone get carded in a bookstore? I think that if ample warnings are included on a website, anything you could get in a book store should be fair game. Afterall, is it not a parent's duty to be aware of what his or her child is viewing/surfing. Food for thought. Leslie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:35:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: marlene macdougall Subject: Nfic/list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Another lurker speaks up... Hmmm, this thread really generated some posts didn't it? I also didn't expect this nfic discussion on a general list but hey ... here is my humble opinion: I have written both fic/nfic. As for an nfic web archive - I agree with many in that I don't want to see it happen (again this is my opinion). In fact, if it did I would not send my nfic there. I prefer the distribution methods we have now. As Joyce said the risks of a nfic webarchive just aren't worth it. However, should any author choose to put their nfic on a website that is their prerogative. That's how I found Gorn's nfic ;) Back to lurking... Marlene (macdougm@cadvision.com) We must have courage, faith and chocolate! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:59:05 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joyce Fitch Subject: Saint ? Joyce In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980115220045.009dcb70@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually Demi, when I try to claim sainthood, I'm usually told "yea, a Saint Bernard!" ;-) I am happy to answer people's questions regarding nfic and the list, but it is really easier just to send people directly to Debby to sign up. I noticed that Debby posted this info so all those who qualify and are interested can apply. I do have many requests and this discussion has and will add more, but that's no problem as long as everyone is patient ;-) I've been gone for a week so I have a bit of catching up to do; that means all of you who have requests pending may have to wait a few days. I must say it is fun opening my mail to find such nice comments about me. Now back to reading... St. Joyce - who seems to be reading her mail backwards > >Joyce is open about what she does, she hasn't taken out any big ads, but >she doesn't hide in a dark corner either and she's always very >patient and understanding with the mass of mail she gets from those >curious.. that's why we call her St Joyce! :) She's somehow able to handle >all her requests and with grace and class ;) so I am sure there was no >harm done at all. I suppose there are some folks more protective of the >fact that they write Nfic than others, so if you *are* curious about an >author's work, it's probably best to write them privately, but mentioning >Joyce, or even Debby's Nfic list is not a crime It's public >knowledge... :) > >IMHO.. as always... > >Take Care All ;) >Demi >_________________________________________________ > > Demi (a.k.a) Demona > or >http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm > --- > L&C Site > http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy > --- > "See, the thing is, I've > loved him my whole life..." >_________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:29:43 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debra M Berg Subject: Re: Romance Novels vs. nfic: a combo post On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:10:44 EST LRSABC writes: >I have been reading the posts on nfic and the pros and cons of its >distribution or lack thereof. And finally feel that I have something >to contribute. > I, too, have been reading this thread about the "nfanfic". I rarely post to *any* of the lists that I subscribe to because I usually don't like the "me too" posts from individuals, or someone has already posted my thoughts already, so why be a repeater. However, there are a few items that I would like to address. The first item is that there are certainly "categories" of nfics. I have read both the well prosed stories and the trashy "romance" stories. And, I will be honest to say that I will save the ones that are well written and delete the ones that I feel are trash. And, so as not to flame anyone, or have hurt feelings, I would like to refrain from listing the stories that I can read over and over, or the stories that I deleted. Again, taste is in the reader. I do not like Stephen King as a writer. However, my teenage daughter has read everything he has ever written. So, I choose NOT to read his works. I like female detective novels, but my daughter falls asleep with the first page. My point is that if all the world enjoyed the same style of writing, it would be very boring and there would be no creative styling in writing >Having read several nfics (Temporary Insanity and Heaven's Prisoners) >and more trashy romance novels than I care to or will ever admit to. I can't >say that the nfic is any more detailed than the romance novels, yet if nfic >were easily accessible in the internet, it would be wrong? Many bookstores have >numerous shelves dedicated to trashy novels. Ever see anyone get carded in a >bookstore? > The second item I would like to say is this: I wish that I could say that I never bought a romance novel but last summer I had the shock of my life. I was running through my local library when a book caught my eye. It was "Outlander" by Diana Gabaldon. The library had it listed under "historical fiction". I was drawn to it by the back cover that stated that a post WWII *nurse* was flung back into the 18th century Scotland. Being a *nurse*, I thought it would be a good book to pack along for the beach on vacation. To my surprise, I couldn't put the book down. I thought it was fantastic. Yes, it had adventure, sadness, and sex written about in it. But, I found myself drawn to the author and she told the story in a wonderful way. When I finished the book, I learned that she had 3 more about the same characters out. But, my local library had them on a long waiting list. So I went to the local Borders and searched *everywhere* for them in *fiction*. I finally went up and asked the information desk. Well, was I embarrassed when the young teenage boy said "Oh, *that's* in the *romance* section." I had NEVER bought a romance novel before! That was when I decided that there was *classy* romance and there was *trash* romance, and it is up to the reader to decide which one is for them. >I think that if ample warnings are included on a web site, anything you >could get in a book store should be fair game. After all, is it not a >parent's duty to be aware of what his or her child is viewing/surfing. > And I agree with this! I know on some of the other fanfic sites of other shows, there is fair warning about the content of the story. Perhaps the same could be done with the fanfic. Remember the SPOILER warnings with the new episodes? How about using a format similar to that? >Food for thought. > >Leslie > Yes, Leslie, and thank you for your commentary. However, I would also like to present Margaret's side of the debate. She says Margaret BrignellYes, I was under the impression this was an nfic free zone. I've read a >number of messages in the last few days putting in glowing recommendations >about nfic. I've read nfic, I find it...boring. > I can sympathize with you with some of the stories, but could example a number that are so well written that it's hard to believe these writers aren't professionals and would be one of the people putting in glowing recommendations! >Sorry, but if the one's I've read are anything to go by, it's like reading >a story about a couple having a romantic dinner and the author going off on >a five page tangent, in infinite, excrutiating detail about how the couple >masticates their food. I *know* how to chew food!;) I don't need the >infinite detail. [I also resent the Pavlov's dog aspect of nfic, but >that's a whole other issue. (I'd rather drool over my husband).] > I'm pretty partial to my own husband myself . >I've tried reading the PG versions of some nfic. Either there isn't any >viable story once the excrutiating detail is gone...or the author takes >great delight in lording it over the reader about what "joy" they're >missing by not reading the salacious version. Since most of the audience >for the PG version is either underage, or doesn't *want* to read the other >version, I find these comments to be demeaning. And again, this is not for Margaret. I have read Margaret's stories and find them also very well written with excellent story lines. But just because there is no *extra* steps to the relationship, doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy her stories as much as I enjoyed some of the nfic. >I realize that some people enjoy nfic. That's okay, if that's what you >like, read it...but don't push it in front of me when I *don't* want it. I >stopped going on IRC because I got fed up with the nudge-nudge-wink-wink >atmosphere there. If it continues here, I guess I'll be staying away from >here too;\ No, I don't like to ONLY read nfic. I enjoy the action adventure ones also. I have been a closet Superman Comicbook buyer for years. The Comic shop thinks they are for my daughter, (no, the X-Men cards are hers!). But, I thought that this listserv was for "Fanfiction", and if that includes the trash with the classics, then bring it all on and let the reading begin! >So in summary, I'd prefer it if this list didn't become a front for nfic. >Some of the people on the list *can't* get it, and others of us would just >rather not. If we are voting on this one, couldn't a compromise be found? >Thanks for your attention, if you read this far:) > >Margaret Thanks, Margaret and Leslie, for your thoughts and opinions on this subject. Meanwhile, I am willing to read almost anything about a Classic character that I fell in love with in the early 60's as a youngster. Debbie Berg abbra15@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: Sanctuary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:50 PM 1/14/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-14 20:28:46 EST, you write: > ><< Sanctuary is nfic. It is available through Joyce Fitch at: > yooyceef@mcs.com >> > >Um, I think that's joyceef@mcs.com > >--L And you can only get it if you're a member of the nfic list. Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:38:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:25 AM 1/16/98 -0600, Joyce wrote: >There is good reason not to put a website up for nfanfic. I distribute a >lot of it, and I have been approached by "concerned" self-deputized >spammers that underaged people are getting stories. I have some >technolgical expertise and have dealt with these creeps well, but they >could be intimidating to many! I am careful to keep all the disclaimers I >get, so that I would have a bit of evidence should anyone decide to legally >challenge the sending of the stories. I also take those off the my list if >someone confirms that they have lied about their age. When someone sends me a request to join the Nlist, I always ask them to confirm their age and understanding of the list... and I've kept all these letters, sending copies to Joyce so she'll have them on hand to check against if she wishes to or if her antenna tingle. I'll throw in my thanks for Joyce, too :) When I decided to keep the idea of a list alive, all I had was a laptop with 4 megs of ram and 80 in storage, a black and white monitor, a 14.4 modem, and, eventually, a broken "e" key. Months before the "e" broke, though, and back when we had maybe only, oh, 100 members maybe, Joyce volunteered to send out the stories. She had a much bigger system than I did and the idea was feasible (at the time, I was only sending out advertisements for the stories and the authors handled the requests). I have a bigger, desktop system now, but I suspect Joyce is leaps and bounds beyond that. She has to be since we now have, um (counts quickly) 393 members :) If it weren't for Joyce, I'd still just be handing out the ads and the writers... if there were any such brave souls looking at that number of readers, well, they'd be very busy! Debby Debby@swcp.com who just put a picture of her writer's blocks on her site: cats.jpg ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:39:42 -0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vanna Subject: "Great expectations" premiere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Teri is in the guest list for the premiere of "Great Expectations" on Tuesday, Jan. 20. More information can be found in yahoo news. Check out my Jon Tenney Page Http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Boulevard/9848 vsantana@br.homeshopping.com.br ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:49:38 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genine E Murray Subject: Dean's FoLC Sponsored B-Day Gift Comments: To: LOISCLA@VM.EGE.EDU.TR Hey FoLCs, I am sending this notice to both lists, so please forgive me those who receive it twice. <<< Anyone who is interested in becoming involved with Dean's 1998 Birthday Gift, please speak up! :) We currently have about 50 people working on this project, but of course, more are always welcome!! We started this little project back in August of '97... and it has been steadily growing ever since. Our motivation is to send Dean Cain the *best* birthday gift he could ever imagine from a group of fans. If you qualify as a "Dean-fan", and are even the slightest bit interested, please send e-mail to deanfolcgift98@juno.com asking to be added to the mailing list. OR.... You can visit our website at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/3709/ for alternate instructions on how to join up... and get the up-to-date information on this project. We are always looking for new feedback and ideas for a gift... as of now we are undecided exactly *what* to send to Dean... that is still in the works. We *definitely* plan on sending him flowers, a card, and quite possibly a collage of everyone's pictures (but you have to be involved with the gift! ). There has also been some brief discussion among us about adding a little wedding gift in honor of Dean's recent engagement. We would really appreciate your input. Again, if you are interested, please e-mail the above e-mail address. Thanks! We look forward to hearing from you!! :) Sincerely, The Dean FoLC Gift '98 Crew Visit our website at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/3709/ >>> PLEASE NOTE: DO *NOT* reply to this message. Do *NOT* send a reply either to the list, *or* to gemfolc51@juno.com... ONLY send e-mail regarding this subject to deanfolcgift98@juno.com.... otherwise your message will more than likely be ignored. Thanks so much! Take care FoLCs. =) Genine ~ GemFoLC51@juno.com ~ SuperGeM on mIRC Watch "Lois & Clark : The New Adventures of Superman" on TNT "Generation after generation, we are all blinded by love, Ms. Lane. Especially that one great love that changes us forever." H.G. Wells - Tempus Fugitive ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:28:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Re: Romance Novels vs. nfic: a combo post In-Reply-To: <19980116.212943.3542.0.abbra15@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Debra wrote: >The second item I would like to say is this: >I wish that I could say that I never bought a romance novel but last >summer I had >the shock of my life. I was running through my local library when a book >caught my >eye. It was "Outlander" by Diana Gabaldon. The library had it listed >under "historical >fiction". I was drawn to it by the back cover that stated that a post Me too! I found it in general fiction and when I went to get the sequel (currently on order -- this is a darn good yarn) .... I was told to look in romantic fiction. I looked at the girl like she was out of her tiny little mind! >On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:10:44 EST LRSABC writes: >>I think that if ample warnings are included on a web site, anything you >>could get in a book store should be fair game. After all, is it not a >>parent's duty to be aware of what his or her child is viewing/surfing. >> Actually it *is* a parent's duty to be aware of what his or her child is viewing or surfing ... you don't let them watch NYPD Blue (or television after a certain hour) and you certainly don't let them surf the net without putting some restrictions on that. Search engines can turn up the darndest things sometimes. You don't let them wander over to the Playboy-plastic-covered section at the store either. Children, young teens can quite easily ignore warnings on a site ... and you can't rely on "blocking" software. In short, putting it on a website or on an apparently "generic" mailing list without any *real* checking, is shirking *our* responsibility as netizens. Let's give parents a hand and keep nfic where adults can read it and not those that are underage... (C'mon, I mean, if a teen thinks super sex is all there is, they're gonna be disappointed *grin*) Leanne Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Lois and Clark Season 5 Fanfic: http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/ ********************************************************** Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:51:16 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rochelle Harrison Subject: Re: NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Joyce wrote, perhaps to regret later: >Also, in answer to a thought Linda expressed about cast and crew reading >nfic. Yes, some do. Now, if only they would also write! ;-) Care to expand on that comment? Rochelle -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Love can move you to a place inside your heart, Where you can feel no evil, acceptance is a natural part of life." - Savage Garden "Love Can Move You" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:10:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980116173959.0069ac94@capitalnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:40 PM -0500 1/16/98, Margaret Brignell wrote: >I've read a >number of messages in the last few days putting in glowing recommendations >about nfic. I've read nfic, I find it...boring. I like to read well-written stories, whether those stories are rated G, PG, PG-13, R or NC-17. Are all nfics good stories? No, definitely not. I find many of them "boring", as you do. Are there stories that happen to have an adult rating that are worthy of the "glowing recommendations" that we've been giving them? Yes, absolutely. I have yet to see an nfic recommended on this list that didn't have a full story behind it. That story may not have been to your liking (just as there are fanfics of all ratings that others love yet I dislike, because the story is not to my liking.) But that doesn't make them inferior stories, or stories not worthy of recommending to others. Are nfics the only great stories? No, of course not. Indeed, on the list of my all time favorite stories, many, if not most, of them are regular fanfic stories, including my top several stories. But to say that all stories that have an adult rating are boring is no better than someone else saying that all stories with a G rating are boring. To say that one will not read a story simply because it is rated G or R or NC-17, is to miss out on some really great stories. And that is every reader's choice -- to decide what stories to read and not read. There are some extremely well-written stories out there that I choose not to read because I've learned I don't like the author's take on the characters. But I don't understand getting angry when other people who do enjoy that particular rated story (be it G or NC-17) want to discuss/recommend it. Now, if your argument is that we shouldn't recommend stories that everyone can't get (because they are nfic or out of circulation as I accidentally did with a Challenge story), then I think that is a reasonable suggestion. However, that argument was a tiny fraction of your post. >I've tried reading the PG versions of some nfic. Either there isn't any >viable story once the excrutiating detail is gone...or the author takes >great delight in lording it over the reader about what "joy" they're >missing by not reading the salacious version. Obviously you have not read the PG versions of Sheila Harper's nfics, Shot In The Dark, Faster Than A Speeding Bullet, and her TUFS two-parter, Mxysplit and All Mxyed Up. These have so much "viable story", they leak out around the edges! (Actually, I shouldn't say you "obviously" haven't read them ... perhaps you have and don't agree there is a viable story there. No disrespect was intended; I'm simply trying to respond to what sounded to me like a blanket statement that PG versions of nfic don't have any substance to them.) >I realize that some people enjoy nfic. That's okay, if that's what you >like, read it...but don't push it in front of me when I *don't* want it. I >stopped going on IRC because I got fed up with the nudge-nudge-wink-wink >atmosphere there. If it continues here, I guess I'll be staying away from >here too;\ Are we "pushing" it in front of you by talking about it and recommending it on a fanfic listserv? I thought that was the point of this listserv, to discuss and recommend fanfics. If I post that Chris Mulder's two-parter "Love Beyond All Measure" and "Dimensions of Loving" are my two all time favorite fanfics of any rating (they are) and gush over how incredible the story is, and you don't agree, am I "pushing it in front of you when you *don't* want it"? If someone recommends a "death fic" (a theme that I choose not to read), and several others jump on the bandwagon and join into the recommendation, are they pushing it on me? If I'm bored with a thread, I skim or delete unread the messages with that heading. Or better yet, I try to come up with a thread or two on a different topic, to distract people from the "boring" topic and start a conversation more to my liking. >So in summary, I'd prefer it if this list didn't become a front for nfic. >Some of the people on the list *can't* get it, and others of us would just >rather not. I guess I just don't see how one thread with maybe 20 posts over a couple of days is turning this list into a "front for nfic". I've been on this list since Day 1 (ok, actually, it might have been Week 1, but there weren't many people here when I got here ), and I've seen a pattern to our posting. Maybe it's a common pattern with smaller listservs, I don't know. We tend to fixate on one topic for a few days or weeks, then move onto something else. The "Kathy's Challenge" thread filled my mailbox for close to a month, generating a flurry of activity that hadn't been seen on this list before. This thread hasn't generated nearly that activity. The Challenge thread died down as people got busy and moved onto other things. This pattern has been shown with each of our threads so far. This thread will do the same. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:25:05 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-17 11:09:48 EST, you write: << >From Kathy: Are we "pushing" it in front of you by talking about it and recommending it on a fanfic listserv? I thought that was the point of this listserv, to discuss and recommend fanfics. >> IMHO, this is a great idea. I am still (I think) new to this list, and it is intimidating to encounter a 600 story archive and dozens of others. I for one would love to see some of the FoLCs who have actually read most of the stories (you know you're out there ) recommend a starting point for the rest of us. The best stories I have read have been suggested on this list, and I'm sure you all have your personal favorites. How about sharing that information with the rest of us as a starting point. One Rule: Make sure the story is still available, to do otherwise is just plain frustrating! I realize that we do this occasionally, now. But maybe everyone could look back through their stuff and suggest, say, their 5 all-time favorites. I'm sure there will be some repetition, but most of us can think of 5 that we just love, and those are worth passing on. What do you think? It could be as much fun as the Challenge was (now THAT generated some great reading!) Thanks for reading! Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:11:28 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joyce Fitch Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980117195113.0092aa40@fox.uq.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rochelle, I'm so old I don't think I regret anything anymore ;-) I keep all names of people on the nfic private as does Debby I'm sure. To explain just a bit further, several list members who "know people who know people" have given crew or cast info about nfic and the list, even asked writers to participate anonymously. Of course when any one of these people contact me I am most gracious. And also of course, they could be complete frauds. That's about it! Joyce >Joyce wrote, perhaps to regret later: > >>Also, in answer to a thought Linda expressed about cast and crew reading >>nfic. Yes, some do. Now, if only they would also write! ;-) > >Care to expand on that comment? > >Rochelle >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Love can move you to a place inside your heart, > Where you can feel no evil, acceptance is a natural part of life." > - Savage Garden "Love Can Move You" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:38:54 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Larus2407 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-17 11:30:22 EST, you write: << But maybe everyone could look back through their stuff and suggest, say, their 5 all-time favorites. >> OK, Louette McInnes's "Turning Point" Debby Stark's "Carry Tiger to Mountain" Neither even have any romance in them . And watch for Margaret's forthcoming story in several parts ... --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:47:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gary Subject: Re: Story Recommendations In-Reply-To: <8ac9733.34c0db63@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:25 AM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: > >IMHO, this is a great idea. I am still (I think) new to this list, and it is >intimidating to encounter a 600 story archive and dozens of others. I for one >would love to see some of the FoLCs who have actually read most of the stories >(you know you're out there ) recommend a starting point for the rest of >us. > That's easy...start with Zoomway! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Gary A. Rudick mailto:gar8434@rit.edu | | "You decide what you feel heaven is worth" - Deborah Gibson, TWYH | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:30:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: RE Thou shalt read NFIC In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980116173959.0069ac94@capitalnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:40 PM 1/16/98 -0500, Margaret wrote: >Yes, I was under the impression this was an nfic free zone. I've read a >number of messages in the last few days putting in glowing recommendations >about nfic. I've read nfic, I find it...boring. I am sorry Margaret, but a recommendation for a story, whatever the actual story's rating, does not violate any censorship laws that I am aware of. The word "sex" is not what we try and shield our precious youngesters from, it's the details of same, which were never brought forth on this list in any event. So I must admit that your attempt to quell a discussion on the basis that you personally do not find the medium worthwhile is a little small. As I recall also, most of the stories in question *did* have PG alternatives, (whether you enjoyed them yourself or not ;) and it was those versions which were being discussed, not the NFic versions. We've all read the guidlines of this list, we've (most of us) been here since the day it went up, and there will never be any non PG fiction posted here. The discussions you are questioning stemmed from discussions of PG stories which, yes, do indeed have uneditted versions, but no one was suggesting these be put up here or transcribed to someone's kids. They are also *unavailable* from any public forum, and therefore, anyone curious from the WWW, or any listserv would not have easy access to them in any event. >Sorry, but if the one's I've read are anything to go by, it's like reading >a story about a couple having a romantic dinner and the author going off on >a five page tangent, in infinite, excrutiating detail about how the couple >masticates their food. I *know* how to chew food!;) Ah, so this is about your own taste then, and not the moral ramifications of our discussion. :) You might have framed your post that way instead. >I don't need the >infinite detail. [I also resent the Pavlov's dog aspect of nfic, but >that's a whole other issue. That is a potentially fascinating discussion ;) I'd love to go into the psychsomatic ramifications of Classical Conditioning and it's role (or lack thereof) in Nfic with you some time, I don't see that your comparison holds true, and if you want to discuss that at some point, I'd love to know why you see it that way :) >I realize that some people enjoy nfic. That's okay, if that's what you >like, read it...but don't push it in front of me when I *don't* want it. I >stopped going on IRC because I got fed up with the nudge-nudge-wink-wink >atmosphere there. If it continues here, I guess I'll be staying away from >here too;\ You know something, I'm really sorry you felt that way. When I read something online, I know that it's a figment of electrons in cyberspace representing someone else's opinion, and the only way it's getting shoved down *my* throat, is if I start thrusting it in there myself ;) Im the words of Dr Friskin, Margaret, quite frankly.. "You're not a victim. Stop acting like one." ;) >So in summary, I'd prefer it if this list didn't become a front for nfic. >Some of the people on the list *can't* get it, and others of us would just >rather not. That is moot. There never has nor will be Nfic posted or available through this list. But it does exist out there in cyberspace, and whether you choose to care for it or not, some of it is really well written, and worthy of the same accolaids as any other work of fiction. Unfortunately, neither you, not anyone else can censor the discussion of it's existence. But rest assured that you will never ever have to read it if you don't want to. The A-Team assigned to your home with torture equipment and a few story copies has been recalled ;) Take Care All ;) Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:29:11 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: Re: Story Recommendations In-Reply-To: <8ac9733.34c0db63@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:25 AM 1/17/98 EST, JCWimmer wrote: >IMHO, this is a great idea. I am still (I think) new to this list, and it is >intimidating to encounter a 600 story archive and dozens of others. I for one >would love to see some of the FoLCs who have actually read most of the stories >(you know you're out there ) recommend a starting point for the rest of >us. I know exactly what you mean. I've actually read very few fanfics, mainly because I have to chose time-wise between writing them or reading them. For now, I'd rather write them BUT I do sometimes feel the urge to read something and usually have no idea where to start. The new list on the archive is a big help but not always satisfying in terms of hitting the spot on any particular day. >I realize that we do this occasionally, now. But maybe everyone could look >back through their stuff and suggest, say, their 5 all-time favorites. I'm >sure there will be some repetition, but most of us can think of 5 that we just >love, and those are worth passing on. This isn't a bad idea, however from recent experience going through websites which review romance novels, I'd have to guess that just listing the stories might not be all that much help. The reason I say this, and it is just MHO but based on repeated experience of seeing lists of top favorite romances or top-rated novels which I end up disliking intensely, is that everyone's tastes are so different, using those kinds of lists would STILL be like looking for a needle in a haystack without more information to go on. However, they could be a good starting point for complete newbies to fanfic. For others, it might be more beneficial to do something more along the lines of common, and maybe even unusual, themes and THAT could be incorporated into the Inquiry part of Kathy's Challenge. This is something used on several romance website to everyone's benefit because people do tend to like, and dislike, the same kinds of stories themes and writing styles over and over even within a genre that they love. Using lists of this nature, I've found quite a few stories to avoid because I don't like that theme and it does save time in the long run. The L&C archive does something along this line, but is very limited in terms of space. It might be interesting to see what we could come up with on the list. Somebody make an INQUIRY, i.e. label it that in the subject, about a theme or style they like to read in L&C fanfic -- examples: first baby, alt-Clark, young Clark, young Lois, script-style stories, etc -- and I'll add it to the Kathy's Challenge listing. Then people could toss out stories they've enjoyed with those in them. But if we do, remember NO SPOILERS, PLEASE because if knowing the theme is really a spoiler for the story, this could get messy. Just a thought and suggestion, Beverly :-) ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:04:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: Tired of seeing RE:nfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys! I must say the comments about nfic are interesting but are getting = pretty old. Why don't we start talking about something else. I have an = idea. Why don't we form some kind of monthly contest for web sites. All = who have sites and want to be part of the contest could send them to me = and I could do a vote thing. If you guys/gals like the idea I will = organize it. Let me know what you think Thanks=20 Darb (my name backward) ------------------------------------------ Brad Gardner Gardners@htc.net=20 Visit the Gardner family web directory at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html=20 ------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:42:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: NFIC - Not Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 AM 17/01/98 -0500, Kathy wrote: >But to say that all stories that have an adult rating are boring is no >better than someone else saying that all stories with a G rating are >boring. To say that one will not read a story simply because it is rated G >or R or NC-17, is to miss out on some really great stories. And that is >every reader's choice -- to decide what stories to read and not read. >There are some extremely well-written stories out there that I choose not >to read because I've learned I don't like the author's take on the >characters. Yes, but unless you *do* read the story you don't know if it's worth reading. Some people on this list can't read the stories being recommended. With my bad experience reading nfic, I avoid reading that type of fanfic now. >But I don't understand getting angry when other people who do enjoy that >particular rated story (be it G or NC-17) want to discuss/recommend it. > >Now, if your argument is that we shouldn't recommend stories that everyone >can't get (because they are nfic or out of circulation as I accidentally >did with a Challenge story), then I think that is a reasonable suggestion. That was my point:) Thanks for wording it better than I did:) >However, that argument was a tiny fraction of your post. >Obviously you have not read the PG versions of Sheila Harper's nfics, Shot >In The Dark, Faster Than A Speeding Bullet, and her TUFS two-parter, >Mxysplit and All Mxyed Up. These have so much "viable story", they leak >out around the edges! I've read the mxy versions issued on TUFS. [Actually I'd trashed the TUFS eps, because my experience with the previous episodes of TUFS wasn't good, and I figured "why waste my time" (are you seeing a trend here?). Someone recommended these two to me, and sent them to me again] I wasn't aware there was an nfic version of them...or perhaps I would have said no I didn't want to read them, since my experience with nfic converted to PG stories hasn't been good in the past. >Are we "pushing" it in front of you by talking about it and recommending it >on a fanfic listserv? I thought that was the point of this listserv, to >discuss and recommend fanfics. As I mentioned above, I thought this listserv was here to discuss fanfic *not* nfic. >If I post that Chris Mulder's two-parter "Love Beyond All Measure" and >"Dimensions of Loving" are my two all time favorite fanfics of any rating >(they are) and gush over how incredible the story is, and you don't agree, >am I "pushing it in front of you when you *don't* want it"? It is if I can't get those *great* stories (and I agree they *are* great)...and you *know* I can't get them...and keep going on and on about what a wonderful thing I'm missing and then point out to me, that no matter how much I want to read them, that I can't get a copy of the story because...I'm not in the US...or I'm not young enough to appreciate them...or, some other such reason why it's not possible for me to read the stories and have an opinion for myself. I do have the choice of reading nfic. Based on past experience, and how I feel about that experience, I'd just rather not read nfic...thank you very much. Since I was under the impression this list was for discussion of fanfic (not nfic), I figured I would be spared the nudge-nudge-wink-wink faction of fandom here...I was wrong. So when a bunch of posts touting nfic hit my mailbox, it seemed to me that people were pushing a product that I *thought* was verbotten here. >If someone recommends a "death fic" (a theme that I choose not to read), >and several others jump on the bandwagon and join into the recommendation, >are they pushing it on me? I have no idea what "death fic" is, so I'm not sure I have an opinion. (My gut instinct is telling me I don't *ever* want to know what it is;) However, if there had been a message early on in the list stating "no death fic" and you figured you'd be spared hearing about it...what would *your* reaction be if a number of posts hit this list telling you what a "wonderful" genre this is? >If I'm bored with a thread, I skim or delete unread the messages with that >heading. Or better yet, I try to come up with a thread or two on a >different topic, to distract people from the "boring" topic and start a >conversation more to my liking. I wasn't bored with the *thread*, I was *mad* at it. I was under the impression this list was for fanfic...not nfic. I don't read nfic, by choice, because my experience with it has *not* been good. The worst one was so sadistic and twisted it turned me off the whole genre;\ There *are* people on this list that cannot read nfic. I think it is inconsiderate, at the very least, to promote stories that aren't available to everyone on this list. I understand that there are "official" channels that do promote nfic. I suggest using them, instead. >I've been on this list since Day 1 (ok, actually, it might have been Week >1, but there weren't many people here when I got here ), So, you *did* see the post from Farrah about *no* nfic >We tend to fixate on one topic for a few days or weeks, then move onto >something else. This pattern has been shown with each of our threads so far. This >thread will do the same. Since I want this thread to end...I should shut up, eh? Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:45:53 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: Tired of seeing RE:nfic In-Reply-To: <01BD2340.4103F760@ppp06.htc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Darb! I think your contest idea is very good. I would point out that you might= want to limit it to web sites with fanfic, since this is a fanfic list, = or move the contest to the main L&C list if you prefer to keep the contes= t open to all sites. In either case, I'll toss my hat into the ring - A FoLC Named Peace http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/7137 Peace who readily confesses that her mother never (well, almost never) calls her that ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:17:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: RE Thou shalt read NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:30 PM 17/01/98 -0500, demona wrote: >So I must admit that your attempt to quell a discussion on the basis that >you personally do not find the medium worthwhile is a little small. I guess I hit a nerve, eh? I just got tired of a one-sided "discussion" about nfic, and wanted to point out that there *are* people that are *not* absolutely fascinated by them. >As I recall also, most of the stories in question *did* have PG >alternatives, (whether you enjoyed them yourself or not ;) and it was those >versions which were being discussed, not the NFic versions. My recollections are different. >yes, do indeed have uneditted versions, but no one was >suggesting these be put up here or transcribed to someone's kids. They are >also *unavailable* from any public forum, and therefore, anyone curious >from the WWW, or any listserv would not have easy access to them in any event. Sorry, but you're wrong. I do *not* belong to any of the "official" distribution lists, never have (Debby tells me I'm her *last* hold-out)...and I *have* read nfic. Does that give you *any* idea of how widespread the stories are? Once the story leaves your C: drive...you no longer have control. >Ah, so this is about your own taste then, and not the moral ramifications >of our discussion. :) You might have framed your post that way instead. I thought I had. >>I don't need the >>infinite detail. [I also resent the Pavlov's dog aspect of nfic, but >>that's a whole other issue. >That is a potentially fascinating discussion ;) I'd love to go into the >psychsomatic ramifications of Classical Conditioning and it's role (or lack >thereof) in Nfic with you some time, I don't see that your comparison holds >true, and if you want to discuss that at some point, I'd love to know why >you see it that way :) Gee, I didn't know you were a psychoanalyst...I thought you were in theatre arts Put more simply...I don't like being manipulated. >You know something, I'm really sorry you felt that way. When I read >something online, I know that it's a figment of electrons in cyberspace >representing someone else's opinion, and the only way it's getting shoved >down *my* throat, is if I start thrusting it in there myself ;) Ah, yes, to quote Eleanor Roosevelt "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." >Im the words of Dr Friskin, Margaret, quite frankly.. >"You're not a victim. Stop acting like one." ;) I would have been "acting like a victim" if I'd kept my opinion to myself. That's why I decided to voice my negative opinion. I was tired of sitting back and listening to a lot of bilgewater about how "wonderful" nfic is. > Unfortunately, neither >you, not anyone else can censor the discussion of it's existence. Didn't you mean "fortunately"? I wasn't aware I was censoring the discussion out of existence, just requesting that it move to another venue. A venue in which only people over 18 would be involved, and the parameters of the discussion explained as you walked through the door. > But rest >assured that you will never ever have to read it if you don't want to. The >A-Team assigned to your home with torture equipment and a few story copies >has been recalled ;) I *am* relieved...I'd hate to have them slip on the ice on my front walk and hurt themselves Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:27:08 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I wasn't going to send this until tomorrow, but decided we needed a distraction. Enjoy, I hope. Beverly ;-) ********** "Characters in this story are copyrighted by December 3rd Production, Warner Brothers, and ABC. No infringement is intended in any part by the author, however, the ideas expressed within this story are copyrighted to the author." DEDICATION: This story is dedicated to my two children, Mark and Amy, who share my love of the modern myth of Superman and the timeless love story embodied in his two 'other' identities, Lois Lane & Clark Kent. I also want to especially thank my two alpha editors for continuing to prod me along, even when I balked and wanted to desert the ship. Enjoy your new careers with my blessings and all my love. AUTHOR'S NOTES: Essentially, this is a prologue installment of a series of stories about Lois & Clark's developing relationship. HOPE is both mysterious background as well as another look at the PILOT episode of LOIS & CLARK. Oh, and one more thing, while each installment, or season, of this story will have its own title, I have to admit that the universe I'm using and even parts of the story are the same as my previously created SANCTUARY nfanfiction, so I've jokingly taken to calling the entire desperate attempt to get these images out of my head and into words NEBS, for short, or . . . THE NEVERENDING BATTLE FOR SANCTUARY THE PILOT: HOPE by B.B. Medos [bbmedos@aol.com] A BEGINNING . . . Or is it an ending? And does it truly matter? Because it's not the time, Or place, that's important, But what we do with the time we're given And the people we meet along the way . . . One second he was performing a series of intricate high- speed airborne maneuvers, totally in control, and the next he was plunging headlong towards the waters far below, completely unable to regain any form of control. For some reason, the ability to come to an immediate full stop at the incredibly high speeds and altitudes he was able to achieve during flight still eluded him. It was extremely frustrating because, for him, control was everything. Yet, even that momentary setback wasn't nearly as irritating as abruptly realizing that what he'd assumed was open ocean was not. Whenever he was doing his workouts, he always made sure there wasn't anything damageable within sight, so where the heck had this island come from? Picking himself up out of the three foot deep water, spitting out both sand and seaweed in disgust, he looked around in considerable consternation. His eyes widened as he took in the cottage sitting against the backdrop of trees directly in front of him with something akin to dread. Islands were one thing, inhabitants were something else all together. This was not good. What was really unnerving was the old man yelling at him from the porch of said cottage. "Well, don't just stand there, Skyboy. Come on in, supper's almost ready." He blinked a few times before walking towards the cottage rather hesitantly. At the bottom of the steps, he stopped and eyed the old hermit with a mixture of distrust and amusement. He'd met plenty of hermits of all kinds in his travels, but something about this guy was unusual, enough to make him more nervous. "Ah, well . . . I really don't want to bother you, sir." "Nonsense, Skyboy, no bother at all. Besides, supper IS almost ready and I might as well share it with you as anyone else." The stranger chuckled then stopped walking into the cottage to look back over his shoulder. "Oh, by the way, the name's Charlie." "How do you stand the loneliness?" The white-haired man leaning against the porch rail beside him didn't move. Didn't speak. Skyboy had almost decided his friend wasn't going to answer the question. Then again, Charlie had seemed distracted and withdrawn, even more than normal, ever since Skyboy had arrived on the island earlier that morning. Maybe he hadn't even heard. Skyboy started to repeat his query when the shaggy white head finally turned in his direction. "What loneliness?" Skyboy stared at the other's expression of honest puzzlement, not understanding the reaction at all. "What loneliness? Being stranded on this island for one thing. How do you stand it?" Charlie chuckled, but it ended up sounding more like a wheeze causing Skyboy to study him a little more closely than he had before. He immediately moved to help his friend lower himself onto the chair but was waved away. "What you call being stranded, I call peace. There's a difference. A very big difference." "Well, I don't see it." Charlie shrugged. "No, I don't suppose you do." Skyboy frowned, uncertain from the sarcastic note in the gruff voice whether he was being rebuked or teased. Sometimes with Charlie, he simply didn't know. "Either way, you're still alone." "Maybe. Maybe not. But what it really gets down to is that one is torment, the other, comfort." Skyboy lowered himself down onto the top step leading down to the beach and leaned back against the railing. He appeared to relax with his long muscular legs stretched out in front of him on the porch, but Charlie sensed the tension in the casual pose and knew from the troubled expression the youth tried to hide as he turned to stare out at the ocean waves in the distance that Skyboy had figured out the same thing he had. Charlie was very close to death. Maybe not today. Or even tomorrow. But . . . soon. Charlie sighed, realizing the knowledge was more burden for his young friend than it was for him. At this point, death held absolutely no horror for him. The opposite was true. He welcomed it. Oh, he wasn't rushing towards it, by any means, but he'd reached the point where dying was more appealing than continuing to live. Besides, his physical body, at least, was tired. Tired of the continued fight to keep itself going. Of course, he also knew the young pup in front of him had no way of understanding that concept. For him, life was just beginning. The irony of it was that Skyboy was so young he didn't even have enough memories of his own to warrant holding onto life and yet, instinctively, he did . . . with both hands. Not just for himself but for his friend and with the typical arrogance of youth was totally frustrated and baffled when he couldn't. Charlie, on the other hand, had reached the point where he had nothing but memories, good, bad and in-between, and perversely wanted to escape them and life itself in the process. No, not escape them, not exactly. More . . . become one with them again. Did that mean that he now felt the loneliness after all these years? With a rueful shake of his head, his gaze returned to Skyboy. "There are many kinds of loneliness, my friend, some much worse than others. The worst kind has absolutely nothing to do with being around others." "And that is?" "When you can't stand your own company. That's when you're alone in the middle of a crowd. That kind of loneliness is torment. Of the soul." "So you're saying you like staying here alone because you like yourself?" Charlie began laughing so hard he started coughing again and couldn't stop. When the spasms eased and he was finally able to focus his eyes again, Skyboy was standing in front of him with a glass of water. With his friend's persistent help, Charlie took a sip then leaned back in the chair. He smiled. "I could, as you say, 'like myself' anywhere. I chose to stay here because there isn't anywhere else I want to be. I simply want to be here. Nowhere else." "But . . . why?" "Why not?" Skyboy blinked and fell silent, unable to answer the simple question. Finally, he whispered again. "Isn't there anyone you'd like to visit. I mean, I could . . . " "No." When Skyboy looked crestfallen at the gruff answer, Charlie sighed and tried again. "The simple truth of the matter is that it's not my world, not anymore. This island . . . " The old man's voice trailed off, then he smiled before continuing, "Well, she's all that's left of my world. I wouldn't fit in the other . . . nor do I want to. Not anymore. Besides, I'm too old to change and too tired to make the effort in the first place." Skyboy stared at the ocean. "Did you ever?" It was Charlie's turn to blink at the quiet question. "Did I ever what?" "Fit in." The old man's white eyebrows rose. "To be honest, I'm not sure. There were times I thought I did. There were also times I was positive I stood out like the oddity I always believed myself to be. That's one of the reasons I love this island. She takes care of everything, even me, and I don't have to care anymore. About anything." Skyboy's head slowly turned towards his friend and he smiled, a soft wistful smile. "I think I understand." And so, far into the unknown future or remote in the distant past, depending on whose eyes you gaze out of, or stare into, the one called Skyboy fought to hold his emotions in check as the white-haired man on the bed opened his eyes. He didn't like watching helplessly as the last of his friend's strength ebbed away. He'd never appreciated feeling helpless and appreciated it even less as he matured into adulthood. Sometimes, though, there was nothing one could do, no matter how determined, how brilliant, or how . . . powerful. Sometimes nature simply won the battle and death followed life. Slowly, the older man's wrinkled hand reached out and he took it in his. Their eyes met, unwaveringly and his grip tightened as the other strained to whisper. "Exactly at the top of the island. You'll remember?" "I will." "And the other--you promise?" For a moment, Skyboy didn't answer, couldn't speak, because he realized that last struggling effort to gain his pledge had been the older man's last and his friend's eyes were finally closed in an endless sleep. After a second, he nodded again, anyway. "Yes, Charlie, I'll keep an eye on her for you. Always." Always. Forever. Or, the blink of an eye. Eternity measured in seconds or millennia. The passage of time is perceived so differently by the old than it is by the young. For someone at the end of a long and eventful life, a year, or even a decade, can seem extremely brief. For the young at the beginning of the journey, the same span of time can be a literal eternity. Sometimes, the human method of measuring time simply isn't an adequate way of describing a life of love. Sometimes, there is simply no one way to satisfactorily explain the connection between two individuals. Sometimes their love, and their story, is as unique as they are. And what brings two such hearts together? Destiny? Fate? An act of God, whatever one might call their own personal creator? Maybe, but if so, then that same supreme destiny is sometimes shaped by very physical, very human hands even though circumstances beyond their control force those hands into action. For example, what could possibly cause two loving parents to choose to send a helpless infant across a vast universe to a completely unknown, solitary fate? Fear? Unquestionably. Desperation? Certainly. Determination? Without a doubt. Yet, are any of those an adequate explanation? Maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps the secret of what motivated their final decision lies not in the circumstances which initially began their labor of love but in the destination they eventually chose for that beloved child. Maybe, through means which would seem almost magical to us, they saw all they needed in the eyes and hearts of the people waiting to receive him into their welcoming arms. "My name is Jor-El and you are Kal-El, my son. The object you now possess has been attuned to you. That you now hear these words is proof that you survived the journey into space and reached your full maturity. Now it is time for you to learn your heritage. To that end I will appear to you five times. Watch for the light. Listen and learn. Time grows short and we continue to search. The immensity of space is both a blessing and a curse. In that near infinite variety there must be some place suitable. Hope and desperation drive us in equal measure. Lara works by my side. She's tireless and endlessly patient. Considering what is to come, this is my greatest consolation that we are together." "This is second of the five times I will appear to you. You may wonder that I speak your language and not my native Kryptonian. Unmanned Kryptonian probes have explored every corner of the known galaxy and beyond. For thousands of centuries, we've received data back from those probes. I have every confidence that given enough time, we can achieve the conversion to a manned vessel but will we have the time? There is an ancient Kryptonian saying 'On a long road, take small steps.' Precision and care are the watchwords yet we still have far to go." "There is no longer any doubt, the chain reaction has begun. As panic spreads, the population awakens too late to its fate. Our future is inevitable. At last the computers have located a suitable destination, a planet physically and biologically compatible with Krypton whose inhabitants resemble ours and whose society is based on ethical standards which we too embrace in concept if not always in deed. The inhabitants call it simply Earth." "We have installed the hyper-light drive and tested it as best we can. So much is unknown. Contained within the sphere is the navigational computer that will guide the ship through the maze of hyper-space as well as this account of our final days." "I try to picture where you are now as you hear this last chapter. What do you look like? Are you alone? What have you become? Lara and I will never know but that you should live to experience this, that is enough. We are content. We give you to Earth, to a realm called America and a place called Kansas. Remember us and do not regret our passing. All is fate." --from FOUNDLING THE NEW COLOSSUS by Emma Lazarus Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Inscribed on a tablet in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty in 1908. --continued tomorrow in part 2 of HOPE ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:50:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980117132708.006b32c4@hop-uky.campus.mci.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can't wait to read the rest ;) That was great! Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:42:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NFIC - Not In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980117134139.006a62f4@capitalnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:42 PM -0500 1/17/98, Margaret Brignell wrote: >I have no idea what "death fic" is, so I'm not sure I have an opinion. (My >gut instinct is telling me I don't *ever* want to know what it is;) No .. you don't. But for those of you who do want to know, it's a story where either Lois or Clark dies (age can range from 1st season to their 80's+) and we get to see how the surviving spouse or family deals with the situation. In defense of those stories, there have been the very rare few that I've found worth my time to read once -- and they have all been the 80+ variety. But the vast majority aren't my cup of tea. >However, if there had been a message early on in the list stating "no death >fic" and you figured you'd be spared hearing about it...what would *your* >reaction be if a number of posts hit this list telling you what a >"wonderful" genre this is? I'd disagree, then delete the posts and change the subject. >I would have been "acting like a victim" if I'd kept my opinion to myself. >That's why I decided to voice my negative opinion. I was tired of sitting >back and listening to a lot of bilgewater about how "wonderful" nfic is. I guess this is why I'm taken aback. I understand what your feelings are about the genre, even if I don't agree. I can certainly agree to disagree with someone, or have a difference of opinion without getting nasty (and I don't think I have). But we have apparently been reading posts differently, since I can't recall one post that talked about how wonderful nfic was as a genre. To my recollection, this thread started because someone mentioned a particular fanfic (that happened to be nfic), and a few others agreed that it was a great story. Someone asked where they could get it, and were told it wasn't on the Archive because it was nfic. Then others provided information on how to get on the nfic list. A few nfics were mentioned specifically by title (most with PG versions), but I never saw anyone saying that nfic was better than regular (it's not; it depends on the story) or how everyone should read it (not everyone is interested, and some people are offended). I remember posts that talked about a few specific stories (three, that I can recall), and I remember posting myself that *not* every nfic was worth reading. So, when did anyone say how great nfic was as a genre? BTW, my dictionary lists the meaning of "bilgewater" (yes, I had to look it up) as "stupid nonsense". Thus, I can only assume you mean I wrote "stupid nonsense" when I posted that there are some wonderful nfics. I find this comment (bordering on a flame, IMO) hurtful. I would have hoped we could avoid such digs. >I don't read nfic, by choice, because my experience with it has *not* been >good. The worst one was so sadistic and twisted it turned me off the whole >genre;\ LOL! OMG, how awful! I would pay money (seriously ... I have some Canadian quarters I can send you ) to find out what this story was. If you have any willingness to tell me, please email me privately. I'd really love to know. (I'm not laughing at you for being turned off; I'm seriously fascinated by what story could do this to someone. There have been a few stories so incredibly bad they were almost worth reading to laugh at them , and many that I would call just "boring" (to me), and there have been some that I found unsettling ... but I can't think of ones that were sadistic and twisted (to me). Taste is so subjective ... I find it fascinating. :)) >So, you *did* see the post from Farrah about *no* nfic I remember that no nfic is to be posted to this listserv. I don't recall whether or not it's against the rules to mention an nfic at all. And I have noticed that Farah has been conspicuously absent since this thread came up. (When the cat's away ... ? ) >Since I want this thread to end...I should shut up, eh? /me opens her mouth to respond, then closes it just as quickly. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:39:36 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Larus2407 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-17 14:48:51 EST, you write: << Can't wait to read the rest ;) That was great! >> I haven't started yet--was planning to read it offline. But then I saw Demi's reply... Bev, have you gone and sent us a story that you haven't yet finished part 2/2 of? :P I HATE that! You know I hate that! C'mon gal, you're supposed to be getting some storms down your way, so find someplace cozy and WRITE!!!! --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:48:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic"